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Karen AKA Kajikit - 12 Feb 2006 17:18 GMT
Tessie woke us up at 6.30 this morning meowing for attention so loudly
we could hear her from the bedroom... so I went in and turned on the
light and said goodmorning and cuddled her a bit... then we left her
alone for a few hours. And then it was the fateful moment to put her
in the carrier and take her to the shelter... neither of us wanted to
do it but if somebody else was willing to take the time to find a good
home for her then it would be for the best... so we put her in the car
(Silver hissed a final 'good riddance' on the way out the door) and
drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.' :( At that point I had to
leave the room and John talked to the guy... I sat in the car crying
and then John called me back in. The end result is that we signed the
adoption papers for Tessie and paid the $75 fee and they're keeping
her for three days and vet-checking her etc. And then we get her back
and we'll try again only this time we'll know that she's healthy and
disease-free... we couldn't afford to take her to the regular vet
right now so this is the only way it could work. We'll put her back in
the craftroom (only better kitten-proofed) and leave the door closed
for two weeks and see if Scouty and Silver settle down and get used to
her... and if it doesn't work then we'll find her a home ourselves.

I can't believe that they give the poor babies so little chance to
find a home... it's terrible. Three weeks I could understand, but
three DAYS? :(

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MaryL - 12 Feb 2006 17:34 GMT
> Tessie woke us up at 6.30 this morning meowing for attention so loudly
> we could hear her from the bedroom... so I went in and turned on the
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> find a home... it's terrible. Three weeks I could understand, but
> three DAYS? :(

Karen,

This is wonderful news.  I would like to emphasize what several of us said
in previous messages.  That is, you really can't place a specific timebable
like this.  Cats are individuals.  Some will adjust very quickly, and others
will take more time.  It's just like people -- you can't place an arbitrary
timeframe for children to learn to like each other (or adults, either).  So,
please be more flexible about this and look on the positive side.  It *can*
be done.  As I mentioned in an earlier message, I went through the process
with Duffy and Holly -- and Holly was a cat that I previously thought would
*never* accept any other cat in the house.  She has, though, and they now
get along beautifully.  I took a full 6 weeks before I left the two cats
alone together at all times.  If you ever have any questions, please feel
free to email me and I will respond.  (stancole1 at yahoo.com)

The policy of euthanizing after 3 days is *very common.*  That is why some
of us were so distraught at the thought of a kill shelter.  Duffy was in a
shelter for several months.  It hurts me just to think of that, but I also
know that he (and Holly and I) was actually among the lucky ones.  That
shelter normally euthanizes at 2 weeks or sooner, but the staff made special
efforts to keep Duffy alive and find a home for him because he is blind but
also such a special kitty.

One of the most useful tools in introducing cats is to temporarily replace
the door to the room where the new cat stays with a screen door.  This can
be *very* inexpensive.  Buy absolutely the cheapest screen door at a
discount store and use the same hardware that is currently on the permanent
door.  You might even be able to find one at Goodwill or some place similar.
Keep the permanent door, of course, and reverse the process when the screen
door is no longer needed.  The advantage of this is that the cats can see
and smell each other but cannot get into fights.  This helps them to
gradually adjust to the presence of the other cat(s).  I used a variation of
this by getting a damaged interior door (which only cost $5.00 because of
the damage).  We cut a square in the door and mounted metal over it.  You
can see some pictures in the first album under my signature.

Thank you for rethinking this whole issue, and please keep an open mind
about allowing more flexibility in the schedule if it is needed.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:     >'o'<
http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
jmcquown - 12 Feb 2006 18:33 GMT
> drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
> the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
> cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.' :(

Well now that was just a silly thing for him to say.  I know a lot of people
who would love to have a gorgeous black kitty like Tessie!  Would have been
smarter for him to just say it's policy, stupid policy though it is.

At that point I had to
> leave the room and John talked to the guy... I sat in the car crying
> and then John called me back in. The end result is that we signed the
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> for two weeks and see if Scouty and Silver settle down and get used to
> her... and if it doesn't work then we'll find her a home ourselves.

It will take time, as others have said.  Please don't try to put a
time-limit on integration.

Does anyone have any Feliway or Rescue Remedy they could maybe send to Karen
to help ease the transition?  If I had any extra $$ I'd buy some to send
her.

Jill
sriddles@aol.com - 12 Feb 2006 18:40 GMT
> > drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
> > he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> who would love to have a gorgeous black kitty like Tessie!  Would have been
> smarter for him to just say it's policy, stupid policy though it is.

I can testify to the fact that adult black cats take much longer to
adopt out.
Even if it is a stupid policy, it may be a necessary policy. If there's
no room, there's no room. In a shelter crowded to capacity, even if
Stranger was given more time, another cat would have to be euthanized
to make room. Sad fact, and nobody likes it, but it's the hard cold
truth.

Sherry
Pat - 12 Feb 2006 18:47 GMT
> I can testify to the fact that adult black cats take much longer to
> adopt out.

Yeah, me too. I've given up advertising for a new home for Eli. Many months
of effort have produced not a single inquiry, and my ads have been very
cute, with good pictures.
rrb - 13 Feb 2006 00:01 GMT
>> I can testify to the fact that adult black cats take much longer to
>> adopt out.
>
> Yeah, me too. I've given up advertising for a new home for Eli. Many months
> of effort have produced not a single inquiry, and my ads have been very
> cute, with good pictures.

So you've decided to take Eli with you? Or - and I'm not sure if this is
Eli or not - are you still going to leave him with your neighbor?
Pat - 13 Feb 2006 05:26 GMT
>>> I can testify to the fact that adult black cats take much longer to
>>> adopt out.
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> So you've decided to take Eli with you? Or - and I'm not sure if this is
> Eli or not - are you still going to leave him with your neighbor?

I never planned to leave him with any neighbor. I had considered that if
someone who loves cats happened to move into the house I am leaving, and
wanted to keep Eli, I would let him stay behind. Otherwise he will move with
the rest of us. I thought we might all be happier if Eli stayed here. It
would help also for me to reduce the cat population of my household, if
possible, but unless I feel really good about leaving Eli with whoever moves
in here, I won't do it.

I kind of doubt that Gloria will find anyone willing to live in this place,
it's so very old and run down and funky and small and far from town. The
only thing it has going for it is that it's very cheap, but honestly under
normal circumstances I would not have lived here even if I had been paid to
do so, and I suspect most everyone else is going to feel the same way, once
they see the place.
NanCe - 12 Feb 2006 20:07 GMT
>I can testify to the fact that adult black cats take much longer to
>adopt out.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>to make room. Sad fact, and nobody likes it, but it's the hard cold
>truth.

Yup, me too.  Used to volunteer at a the Humane Society and it was usually
packed with black cats, especially after Halloween as we weren't allowed to
adopt them out at that time so the number of them built up.  Luckily though
it was a no-kill shelter so eventually they all found homes but I do recall
that many of them stayed for months and months and a couple for a year (caged!
).  I always felt bad for the black cats, there were so many of them and they
look the same to a lot people; they would look right past them to the
"pretty" colored cats who stuck out more, except for the rare individual who
came in and loved black cats the most.  I don't get it; I think black cats
are beautiful!  I have one myself.  The next most common after that was
black/white cats.  Our Animal Control though is a kill shelter and I think
after 5 days, they start putting them down.  

NanCe
Magic Mood Jeep© - 12 Feb 2006 23:06 GMT
>> I can testify to the fact that adult black cats take much longer to
>> adopt out.
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I have *three*!!!!

Tennesse Tuxedo, big, fat 12 year old buckethead has a white 'bow tie' and a
white silver dollar sized spot on his belly, looks llike a white cummerbund
showing through, hence his name.

Weeble was a foundling, raised form about 24-48 hours old (eyes and ears
still sealed, no teeth, screamed like a banshee when he pooped!).  Has a
smidgen of white on his belly, and a few scattered white hairs in his
'armpits' - will be 3 years old this August.

Betty (along with her brothers, Barney and Bam-Bam who are not black), from
the same feral MamaKat as Weeble, has the same smidgen of white on her
belly, and white in her 'armpits', though she has more on her right side
than left.  I wanted TED to give her a pierced ear so I can get her an
earring - she's gonna be a Weeble-twin when she's full grown - right now
she's a snuggle-bug with a shaved belly, about 17-18 weeks old.

See all of them at my webshots page (link below)
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Cheryl Sellner - 14 Feb 2006 00:23 GMT
I don't get it; I think black
>> cats are beautiful!  I have one myself.  The next most common
>> after that was black/white cats.  Our Animal Control though is
>> a kill shelter and I think after 5 days, they start putting
>> them down.
>>
>> NanCe

> I have *three*!!!!

First, YAY Karen! I've been offline due to a bad snowstorm, had the
cable out. Luckily I had power. I'm so glad you decided to keep
her! You can do it!

About the black, and black/white cats, I've had 2 black or mostly
black, and now one black/white. In all of my experience (very
limited compared to some of you guys doing rescue!!) black/white
cats seem to be the most unique, personality-wise.  I've never met
one that wasn't outgoing, almost to a fault (LOL) and they seem to
be "in your face" cats. Shamrock is almost dog-like[1], he's so
outgoing. I've never met a cat quite like him. The black and white
kittens during kitten season seemed to always be the ones at the
edge of the cage hollering, "PICK ME!!!"  

[1] My apologies for the insult, Shamrock. Please don't pee in my
shoes!

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MaryL - 12 Feb 2006 18:44 GMT
>> drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
>> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> been
> smarter for him to just say it's policy, stupid policy though it is.

NO!  I am grateful that the person at the shelter was honest enough to "tell
it like it is."  Yes, many people will adopt an adult cat and many will
adopt a black cat.  I am one of them.  My wonderful cat, Holly, is a
gorgeous solid black cat.  Unfortunately, though, we are a small minority.
Even the healthiest and most beautiful cats are likely to be euthanized at
most kill shelters because there simply are not enough available homes.  Of
those who do want to adopt, many want only the "cutest" cats and
specifically kittens.  Black cats are generally at the bottom of the list,
possibly because of superstition -- just as they are most vulnerable if left
outdoors at times like Halloween.

> At that point I had to
>> leave the room and John talked to the guy... I sat in the car crying
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> to help ease the transition?  If I had any extra $$ I'd buy some to send
> her.

I don't have any extra Feliway, but this is a good idea.  Karen, contact me
if you are interested.  I will order one for you and have it shipped
immediately.  Just send email if you are interested, and I will have one on
the way immediately!  If one or two others will do the same thing, it will
be perfect.

> Jill

MaryL
(The email address attached to this message is valid except that you first
need to "take-out-the-litter.")

Photos of Duffy and Holly:     >'o'<
http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Karen AKA Kajikit - 12 Feb 2006 18:46 GMT
>> drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
>> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>who would love to have a gorgeous black kitty like Tessie!  Would have been
>smarter for him to just say it's policy, stupid policy though it is.

It just plain broke my heart when he said that :(

>It will take time, as others have said.  Please don't try to put a
>time-limit on integration.
>
>Does anyone have any Feliway or Rescue Remedy they could maybe send to Karen
>to help ease the transition?  If I had any extra $$ I'd buy some to send
>her.

We bought a feliway diffuser on Friday because Silver was so upset
about the 'interloper' in her house, but it doesn't seem to have made
any difference to her... I just unplugged it and put it back in the
box because it wasn't helping - actually I put it down on the table
and she came along and bopped it to the floor! I don't think she likes
the smell of it! She's still sulking around the house this afternoon,
even though Tessie is gone and I've washed out her litterbox with
disinfectant. I guess she can still smell her...

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Christina Websell - 12 Feb 2006 19:03 GMT
>>> drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
>>> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> and she came along and bopped it to the floor! I don't think she likes
> the smell of it!

Can it work as quickly as this?  I have no experience of Feliway but I got
the feeling from reading various posts about it that it isn't an instant
fix.

>She's still sulking around the house this afternoon,
> even though Tessie is gone and I've washed out her litterbox with
> disinfectant. I guess she can still smell her...

You must not let Scout and Silver rule your lives.  If you would like to
keep this cat I'm sure it will be possible, given time and a lot of
patience, and following all the good advice about integration that you've
had here.
Also, did I understand rightly what you said about a baby?  Did you mean
that you've ruled it out because of S&S?  Apologies if there's another
reason that I've missed.

Tweed
bobblespin@yahoo.com - 13 Feb 2006 01:01 GMT
I'm reminded that until lately, this ritual to introduce a new cat to a
household was never heard of in my family or my husband's.

We brought a cat/kitten home, gave it the run of the house, and let the
other cats discover it and come and sniff it.  There was sometimes
spitting and hissing, and their noses were out of joint, but a few days
later it lessened and they either ignored the new cat or gave it a bop
on the side of the head if it came near. They sorted it all out by
themselves (we kept a close eye just to be sure) and there was never a
war, just some sulking by some, and acceptance by others.

Good luck with Tessie. Give it time.
Chakolate - 13 Feb 2006 04:13 GMT
bobblespin@yahoo.com wrote in news:1139789096.716278.322250
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> We brought a cat/kitten home, gave it the run of the house, and let the
> other cats discover it and come and sniff it.  There was sometimes
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> themselves (we kept a close eye just to be sure) and there was never a
> war, just some sulking by some, and acceptance by others.

That's pretty much the way I did it.  I had read all the stuff about how
to introduce a new cat, but when I put the carrier down in the living
room, Doc came and was very curious and not at all hissy, so I let Pi
out.  (Although at the time I thought he was a female named 'Cassie'.)  
Pi gave Doc one hiss then went about checking out the joint, and they
were fine after that.  

Chak

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Bill Stock - 13 Feb 2006 04:18 GMT
> bobblespin@yahoo.com wrote in news:1139789096.716278.322250
> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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> Pi gave Doc one hiss then went about checking out the joint, and they
> were fine after that.

When we brought Smokey home Cali was hissing at the carrier before Smokey
ever got out. They still aren't buddies, but it all worked out in the end.

> Chak
MaryL - 13 Feb 2006 00:03 GMT
>>> drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
>>> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> even though Tessie is gone and I've washed out her litterbox with
> disinfectant. I guess she can still smell her...

You need to give Feliway more time.  It is not an instant cure.  Plug it in
(as close as possible to an area where all cats are likely to be in close
proximity) and leave it alone.  In time, your cats will probably be more
calm, but it isn't the type of thing where you would immediately think, "Oh,
look, no more agitation."  Think of the similarity with a prescription that
you might take for yourself.  You would not expect overnight success, and
that is also true of Feliway.  Even if it doesn't seem to work, it certainly
can't hurt anything to leave the diffuser plugged in -- and you are just
wasting your money this way.

MaryL
rrb - 13 Feb 2006 00:06 GMT
>>> drove her to the shelter. When we got there John started to say that
>>> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> and she came along and bopped it to the floor! I don't think she likes
> the smell of it!

I think you need to give the Feliway more time to work. Plus if your
weather conditions allow it maybe opening a window and placing a fan in
front of it blowing out might help to remove Strangers scent for now.
But as you are adopting her that might not help much. I think you need
maybe another diffuser. Feliway is also sold as a pump spray as well for
spraying in the air or on surfaces - this might help a bit as well.
Karen - 13 Feb 2006 15:25 GMT
> We bought a feliway diffuser on Friday because Silver was so upset
> about the 'interloper' in her house, but it doesn't seem to have made
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> even though Tessie is gone and I've washed out her litterbox with
> disinfectant. I guess she can still smell her...

You have to give it time! It doesn't just work like an on off switch.
NanCe - 12 Feb 2006 20:08 GMT
>right now so this is the only way it could work. We'll put her back in
>the craftroom (only better kitten-proofed) and leave the door closed
>for two weeks and see if Scouty and Silver settle down and get used to
>her... and if it doesn't work then we'll find her a home ourselves.

Congratulations on your new little one.  Please remember to give it lots of
time - 2 weeks is probably not long enough.  Your cats are reacting normally -
that's how they do it.  Some day you'll see them chasing each other or lying
close by each other and you'll be glad you stuck it out.

NanCe
Enfilade - 12 Feb 2006 20:18 GMT
When we got there John started to say that
> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
> the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> adoption papers for Tessie and paid the $75 fee and they're keeping
> her for three days and vet-checking her etc.

I am so glad Tessie will be getting another chance!

When you get her back again, when we had Nox and Smokey, we made sure
to spend some time in the room with the "Confined" cat so s/he wouldn't
get lonely (while the other had the run of the apartment) and we
switched them at night.  The "confined" cat had the run of the bedroom,
with a litterbox in there and food, so it wasn't such a bad
"Confinement" and a week of this allowed them to get used to the smells
of each other before they met up again "in person."  We did a similar
thing with the kittens.

Now both Nox and Smokey love the kittens.  Smokey and Nox will never be
best of friends, but they can coexist without hurting each other or
stressing each other out.

As for the ridiculous "nobody wants a black cat," well, Nocturne is our
darling (and the only one we adopted from a shelter; the others were a
matter of "nobody wants a feral" *Smokey* and "nobody wants to feed
orphan kittens around the clock.")

Purrs!

--Fil
Enfilade - 12 Feb 2006 22:05 GMT
> As for the ridiculous "nobody wants a black cat," well, Nocturne is our
> darling (and the only one we adopted from a shelter; the others were a
> matter of "nobody wants a feral" *Smokey* and "nobody wants to feed
> orphan kittens around the clock.")

I should clarify...I know lots of people don't want black cats, and I
think it's both silly and sad.  The colour of the fur does not indicate
the personality within.

When we picked out Nocturne, my family thinks I got her /because/ she's
a black cat (and I'm a Witch/Wiccan.)  I deliberately didn't do
this--of all the cats we met, Nox is the one who wouldn't take her eyes
off us.  She all but /demanded/ we take her home, at /once./

--Fil
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 12 Feb 2006 20:37 GMT
> Tessie woke us up at 6.30 this morning meowing for attention so loudly
> we could hear her from the bedroom... so I went in and turned on the
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> find a home... it's terrible. Three weeks I could understand, but
> three DAYS? :(

That hardly allows enough time for an owner to inquire about
and locate a missing pet!  The sad results of overcrowding,
of course.  Often "animal shelters" don't really provide
much "shelter".  (And in many places, the SPCA is more or
less synonymous with the municipal "pound".)  "No kill"
shelters sound ideal, but there's a limit to how many
animals they can accommodate, and if they're full, they're
full.
Cheryl Sellner - 14 Feb 2006 01:38 GMT
> That hardly allows enough time for an owner to inquire about
> and locate a missing pet!  

It sure isn't! Add to that, some of these places are hard to get
calls through to (busy signals, voice mail, ring-ring-ring-ring
forever, and those people that are answering the phones may not
have up-to-date information.)

Someone did some math to determine how much it costs to "shelter"
one animal per day, figure in the income/donations, probably some
stat about the likelihood that the person who lost their pet
actually checks the correct shelters. To imagine that the life of a
pet could come down to a little math.  That's why I got mine
chipped, even though they're indoor cats. 2 chipped, 2 to go.
Shamrock has to go for a dental this month, so he's next.  Bonnie,
in May.

The sad results of overcrowding,
> of course.  Often "animal shelters" don't really provide
> much "shelter".  (And in many places, the SPCA is more or
> less synonymous with the municipal "pound".)  "No kill"
> shelters sound ideal, but there's a limit to how many
> animals they can accommodate, and if they're full, they're
> full.

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Cheryl Sellner - 14 Feb 2006 02:13 GMT
> That's why I got mine
> chipped, even though they're indoor cats.

Question about chipping. When Rhett and Scarlett were chipped, the
vet (new, she took over for our regular TED when she retired last
month) waved the wand over, but didn't pick up the signal. The tech
was in the room with us, told her she had to press a button (I guess
new TEd was green about chip readers).  I wonder how often this could
happen in a shelter?  Even with the button pressed, it took a couple
of swipes over the back to get a reading.

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Dan M - 14 Feb 2006 16:36 GMT
> Question about chipping. When Rhett and Scarlett were chipped, the
> vet (new, she took over for our regular TED when she retired last
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> happen in a shelter?  Even with the button pressed, it took a couple
> of swipes over the back to get a reading.

That is not all that uncommon. So is another problem - incompatible chips.

AVID was the first big supplier of microchips for pet ID. They were soon
followed by "Home Again". Both of them use basically the same part, a 125
KHz transponder chip (though AVIDs now has it's ID number encrypted). The
result of using 125 KHz chips is that a single reader can detect both AVID
and Home Again chips.

When Banfield decided to market microchips, they decided to use the chips
that were standard in the UK - 137.5 KHz chips. Why is this important?
Because vets and animal shelters across the US already had 125 KHz
scanners, very few of them have 137.5 KHz scanners. This continues to be
the case today.

If you work with an animal shelter or a vet, it would be a very good idea
to ask whether you have the capacity to read both types of chips. If not,
you need to be able to tell people who bring animals in to be scanned
about which types of chips you can't read, and where they might be able to
get the animal scanned for the other type of chip.

And if you are planning on getting a US-based pet chipped, I would
seriously recommend NOT getting it done at Banfield, since far fewer
facilities have Banfield-compatible scanners than have AVID/Home
Again-compatible scanners.

Is it technologically feasible to build a scanner that will read both?
Yes, it sure is. But the big players aren't likely to do it. I suspect it
will take a concerned 3rd party to do the design.

Dan
Magic Mood Jeep© - 14 Feb 2006 16:42 GMT
>> Question about chipping. When Rhett and Scarlett were chipped, the
>> vet (new, she took over for our regular TED when she retired last
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>
> Dan

And thus is the reason our vet doesn't do chipping - there is no set
standard yet!
sriddles@aol.com - 14 Feb 2006 17:35 GMT
> > Question about chipping. When Rhett and Scarlett were chipped, the
> > vet (new, she took over for our regular TED when she retired last
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>
> Dan

Oh, dear. By now I thought that surely there was a universal reader.
One problem we have had at the shelter is people who have moved, and
failed to update their contact info. with the microchip database. It
makes them worthless, unless the shelter is able to track them down
from the old info.
Sherry
Adrian - 15 Feb 2006 09:23 GMT
>>> Question about chipping. When Rhett and Scarlett were chipped, the
>>> vet (new, she took over for our regular TED when she retired last
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> from the old info.
> Sherry

I believe universal scanners are available, but as they cost more than
standard scanners not everybody uses them.
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Helen Miles - 14 Feb 2006 19:44 GMT
> And if you are planning on getting a US-based pet chipped, I would
> seriously recommend NOT getting it done at Banfield, since far fewer
> facilities have Banfield-compatible scanners than have AVID/Home
> Again-compatible scanners.////

Get an AVID chip. Robbie's chip is AVID and can be read by both types of
scanner. Out of all the cat chips in the family, his is the only one the
US vet read with no problems.

Helen M
Cheryl Sellner - 14 Feb 2006 23:43 GMT
>> Question about chipping. When Rhett and Scarlett were chipped,
>> the vet (new, she took over for our regular TED when she
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>
> That is not all that uncommon.

Well, that's scary!

So is another problem -
> incompatible chips.
>
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> it's ID number encrypted). The result of using 125 KHz chips is
> that a single reader can detect both AVID and Home Again chips.

Our TED uses AVID chips. I used to volunteer for our local SPCA and
know that the shelters here use AVID chips in rescue cats, and they
scan for them at animal control, so I wanted that brand. What I
didn't know is that you have to register with a service (you don't
HAVE to, but if you don't, only the vets information is tied to the
chip) and it costs extra.  No biggie, but I was a little surprised.
That information wasn't passed on to adopters, at least I wasn't
told to tell people that. So I guess if an adopted cat here is
found by scanning, AVID will only have the rescue group in the
records.  Hopefully they keep their records up to date and can find
the adopter's info easily!

Thanks for the info about Banfield.

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Adrian - 14 Feb 2006 10:03 GMT
<snip>
> Someone did some math to determine how much it costs to "shelter"
> one animal per day, figure in the income/donations, probably some
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> Shamrock has to go for a dental this month, so he's next.  Bonnie,
> in May.
<snip>

Bagheera has a chip, which in addition to identifying him also takes his
temperature. I assume something similar would be available in the USA.
http://ww1.identichip.co.uk/information/biothermal.cfm
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sriddles@aol.com - 14 Feb 2006 15:40 GMT
> > That hardly allows enough time for an owner to inquire about
> > and locate a missing pet!
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> forever, and those people that are answering the phones may not
> have up-to-date information.)

The municipal shelter here only goes by the 72-hour rule if an animal
is owner-relinquished. That way they *know* no one is looking for it.
If someone brings an animal in and claims they "found" it, they'll keep
it longer to give the owner time to find it. They do advertise in paper
once a week the "found" pets. So even though they are a kill facility,
I do give them credit for at least trying. If a pet is an *obvious*
owned animal (collar, purebred, etc.) they call us and we come get it.
I kind of suspect every shelter breaks the 72-hour-rule too; but
telling the public about it creates a sense of urgency and sometimes
makes them give it another try.

Sherry
Cheryl Sellner - 15 Feb 2006 00:24 GMT
On Tue 14 Feb 2006 10:40:16a,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:1139931616.643533.65580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com):

> The municipal shelter here only goes by the 72-hour rule if an
> animal is owner-relinquished. That way they *know* no one is
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> telling the public about it creates a sense of urgency and
> sometimes makes them give it another try.

You have a point. Thanks Sherry!

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Chakolate - 13 Feb 2006 04:04 GMT
> the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
> cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.'

I wonder if he was testing you - trying to make you see how much you
really wanted to keep her.  If not, he's the most callous person I ever
heard of working in a shelter.

Chak

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MaryL - 13 Feb 2006 04:12 GMT
>> the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
>> cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.'
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>
> Chak

It may sound harsh, but think of it this way:  Many people take cats to kill
shelters without realizing that it is tantamount to a death sentence for
most.  That information can serve as a "wake up call" and motivation to keep
the cat.  The soft "we'll try our best" response sounds nice and would sooth
any guilt feelings, but this statement may have saved Tessie's life.  What
the staff person said is unfortunately true, even if it hurts.

MaryL
Chakolate - 13 Feb 2006 05:13 GMT
> It may sound harsh, but think of it this way:  Many people take cats
> to kill shelters without realizing that it is tantamount to a death
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> have saved Tessie's life.  What the staff person said is unfortunately
> true, even if it hurts.

That's what I meant by 'testing' her.  

Chak

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Feb 2006 07:34 GMT
> The soft "we'll try our best" response sounds nice and would sooth
> any guilt feelings, but this statement may have saved Tessie's life.

This is the bottom line. If the truth helps someone decide to save the
cat, then it's worthwhile. We shouldn't be in denial about reality.

Joyce
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Feb 2006 04:13 GMT
> > the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
> > cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.'
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>
> Chak

I really disagree with this.
The shelter worker was probably simply telling her the cold truth. It
is not unusual for overcrowded shelters to have a 72-hour holding
period.
(Note: I am not talking about Karen--I know she does not fit in this
category)
Shelter people see so many people who relinquish animals. What they are
doing, is actually dumping their responsibilities, or "problem" if you
will.... on someone else. There is no need to mollycoddle the public so
that they might feel better about dumping their animals. Some of the
public seems to have this fantasy that when they take their pet, the
shelter will find it a loving home and everyone will live happily ever
after. It's just not true, and to perpetuate that myth is doing the
animals a wrong. People need to see the ugly side of
overpopulation--maybe then they'll think twice about unwanted litters
and neutering.

Sherry
Lesley - 14 Feb 2006 13:16 GMT
. When we got there John started to say that
> he wanted to know if she wasn't adopted so we could take her back and
> the guy said 'that'll be three days. Nobody wants an adult or a black
> cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.' >

I wasn't aware of it until I got the Fabulous Furballs but the majority
of cats and kittens waiting to be rehomed are black. As I say to them
"You are lucky black cats. VERY lucky black cats!"

I can't believe that they give the poor babies so little chance to
> find a home... it's terrible. Three weeks I could understand, but
> three DAYS? :(

Only last week a couple surrendered their dog to Battersea Dogs Home in
London because she was expecting a baby. They surrendered the dog on
Friday and after a tearful weekend realised they could make changes to
enable them to keep the dog so they headed back to reclaim him.
.....Only to find he'd already been put down. In their defence, they
did point out that the paperwork states that if a dog cannot be rehomed
for behaviorial reasons then they can euthanise and they said that the
dog had snapped at staff and shown "Food problems" so in their opinion
the dog could not be rehomed (their argument is that if they let
someone have an animal which then bites them, they are laying
themselves open to be sued). Personally as I read it, I thought no
wonder the dog was snappy etc etc, he probably felt stressed or
confused especially since his owners had hand reared him as a puppy and
it wasn't fair to condemn him in 3 days.

But that's the harsh reality...All I can say is congratulations in
doing the right thing with little Tessie and I am sending purrs that
you'll end up with a harmonious multi-cat household with some patience.
I've never done it myself but even the Furballs despite being sisters
don't see eye to eye on everything!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

> --
polonca12000 - 14 Feb 2006 18:46 GMT
<snip>Nobody wants an adult or a black
> cat so we'll put her to sleep on wednesday.' :( At that point I had to
> leave the room and John talked to the guy... I sat in the car crying
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> find a home... it's terrible. Three weeks I could understand, but
> three DAYS? :(

I'm so glad to hear you are giving Tessie another chance - thank you so
much!
Best wishes that Scouty and Silver give her a chance too,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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