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The adventures of Patty's octopus

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Debra Berry - 09 Feb 2006 15:52 GMT
A couple of years ago I bought a cat toy from the grocery store.
It looked kind of like an octopus, with a fuzzy ball and then
8 legs coming out of the bottom.  They came in 2 different colors,
with this particular one being red and white.

I have four cats, and Patty was the only one interested in the
octopus toy.  I would occasionally see her carrying it around in
her mouth, but mostly it would just appear someplace.  I'd walk
downstairs, and there it was.  I'd walk in the kitchen, and there
it was.  I'd walk upstairs, and there it was on the steps.  That
octopus really got around!

Eventually the octopus developed a hole in its body and I picked up
another one at the grocery store.  No red and white ones available
so I got one that was purple, green, and yellow.  I threw the
old toy away, and put out the new one.  Poor new octopus didn't
move an inch unless I moved it.  I really thought she would enjoy
this one like she did the old one.

I donated the new octopus to a friend with kittens.  Another time at the
grocery store I found another red and white one.  I thought I'd give
a try, and darn if Patty didn't take to the new red and white
octopus like she had the old one.  Octopus is all over the house again
and it is a pleasure to see him.  I know it means that Patty is enjoying
carrying it around again :-).

So do you think cats can see color in detail enough to prefer a red
and white octopus over a purple, green, and yellow one?  Personally
I preferred the red and white one, but I didn't think it would matter to
her.  Maybe purple, green, and yellow octopi smell as unattractive
as they look.

Debbie
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Karen - 09 Feb 2006 16:01 GMT
Grant always seemed to prefer purple toys. And DEFINITELY the purple pom pom
(now residing with him in his box) was his FAVORITE ball even though we had
many of other colors too. They certainly see something.

> A couple of years ago I bought a cat toy from the grocery store.
> It looked kind of like an octopus, with a fuzzy ball and then
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> Debbie
> dberry@mitre.org
Chakolate - 09 Feb 2006 19:02 GMT
> So do you think cats can see color in detail enough to prefer a red
> and white octopus over a purple, green, and yellow one?  Personally
> I preferred the red and white one, but I didn't think it would matter
> to her.  Maybe purple, green, and yellow octopi smell as unattractive
> as they look.

Was the pattern the same?  And the gradient of color saturation between
colors?  

I think cats mostly see lines and shades of gray.  If the color
saturation was similar on the PGY one, maybe she just didn't see much of
the pattern.  

Chak

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Debra Berry - 09 Feb 2006 21:30 GMT
The pattern wasn't exactly the same.  The red and white one
has a red body and legs that are red on the front and white
on the back.  The other (unliked octopus) had a yellow body,
and legs that are green on one side and purple on the other.
I don't know much about what cats can and cannot see as
far as color is concerned, but she had a definite preference.

Debbie
dberry@mitre.org

> > So do you think cats can see color in detail enough to prefer a red
> > and white octopus over a purple, green, and yellow one?  Personally
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Marina - 09 Feb 2006 19:04 GMT
<snippage>

> I donated the new octopus to a friend with kittens.  Another time at the
> grocery store I found another red and white one.  I thought I'd give
> a try, and darn if Patty didn't take to the new red and white
> octopus like she had the old one.  Octopus is all over the house again
> and it is a pleasure to see him.  I know it means that Patty is enjoying
> carrying it around again :-).

Aww, how sweet. Reminds me of Nikki and her Piggy. It does make you
wonder about how much colour they do see.

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Yowie - 09 Feb 2006 20:12 GMT
> A couple of years ago I bought a cat toy from the grocery store.
> It looked kind of like an octopus, with a fuzzy ball and then
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> her.  Maybe purple, green, and yellow octopi smell as unattractive
> as they look.

I wish I could tell you where, but I saw a demonstration on the 'net once
about how much colour a cat can see. The upshot was that they can see almost
all the colours that humans can see, but just not as well. The don't have
the density of cones in their eyes (colour detecting bits) that we do, so
whilst everything is in colour, it looks rather washed out and faded
compared to what we see, and there is a preference to the red end of the
spectrum, so that they see reds and yellows better than blues and greens
because they can also see into the near infrared.

But if you took  black & white (and near-infrared) of the two different
octupii, they'd probably look very different. And indeed, the dyes used to
create the colours no doubt smell different too. Not to mention she can no
doubt pick up on your preference quite easily. The last possibility, and you
must always take this into account with a cat, is that she's simply messing
with your head. You never know with cats.

Yowie
Debra Berry - 09 Feb 2006 21:32 GMT
> > A couple of years ago I bought a cat toy from the grocery store.
> > It looked kind of like an octopus, with a fuzzy ball and then
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>
> Yowie

If they prefer the red end of the color spectrum, then I guess that
could explain
it.  I definitely liked the red and white one better because I didn't
think the
yellow, purple, and green looked very good together.  I didn't tell her
though.
She has lived with me almost all her life (about 3 years now) so maybe
we have
developed similar tastes :-).

Debbie
dberry@mitre.org
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Feb 2006 21:42 GMT
> I definitely liked the red and white one better because I didn't
> think the yellow, purple, and green looked very good together.  I
> didn't tell her though.

And you think that means she didn't know? You didn't know that
cats can read minds?? :)

There is actually some truth to that. It's not ESP, but the fact is
that we humans, who are dependent on speech for communication, are
constantly giving ourselves away to other animals, who have much more
sensitivity to body language than we do. I can't tell you how many
times I've tried to approach Licky with a tube of Advantage - I'd act
nonchalant, as though I'm just strolling by and stopping to say hi to
him. But he always knows something is up. He can read my body cues,
and he's out of there before I can get close.

Joyce
ann791 - 09 Feb 2006 22:19 GMT
Cinnamon loves a purple yarn ball I madebut,will not play with the orange
ones.
Ann

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> A couple of years ago I bought a cat toy from the grocery store.
> It looked kind of like an octopus, with a fuzzy ball and then
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> Debbie
> dberry@mitre.org
Enfilade - 10 Feb 2006 17:18 GMT
> A couple of years ago I bought a cat toy from the grocery store.
> It looked kind of like an octopus, with a fuzzy ball and then
> 8 legs coming out of the bottom.  They came in 2 different colors,
> with this particular one being red and white.

Predators often tend to have colour vision so it's no surprise she's
marked "red and white" as distinguishing her "prey of choice"

Colour is, after all, a major difference between a skunk and a gopher
:)

Ours are less interested in colour and more attracted by motion.  IE, a
toy that is moving gets attention; a toy that isn't, often doesn't.
They don't like their stuffed mouse UNLESS we're holding it up, making
the tail sway.

--Fil

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