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223rem - 03 Feb 2006 07:26 GMT
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Adrian - 03 Feb 2006 10:59 GMT
> http://i1.tinypic.com/n3b6gy.jpg

Considering the trouble that cartoon has caused recently, I don't think it's
appropriate to post.
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223rem - 03 Feb 2006 11:20 GMT
>>http://i1.tinypic.com/n3b6gy.jpg
>
> Considering the trouble that cartoon has caused recently, I don't think it's
> appropriate to post.

All newspapers in the Western world ought to run these cartoons.
Just to show our dear friends that the pen is mightier than the
suicide vest.
meee - 03 Feb 2006 11:49 GMT
>>>http://i1.tinypic.com/n3b6gy.jpg
>>
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> Just to show our dear friends that the pen is mightier than the
> suicide vest.
History is written by the conqueror.
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Feb 2006 17:03 GMT
I'd like to see Bush's face and his fundamentalist Christian cronies if
the papers started posting "amusing" cartoons about Jesus and the
Virgin Mary, I wonder how the "free press" would get away with that
then.
223remi@gmail.com - 03 Feb 2006 17:50 GMT
I detest Bush and the Religous Right but I doubt that they'd incite
their
fellow fundamentalist christians to murder the cartoonist in
question. But I'm sure you actually knew that the moral equivalence
you're drawing here between Islamists and Christian Fundamentalists
is absurd. You're just grasping at straws trying to find excuses for
Muslim atrocities..

But do you really  think that appeasing the Islamists
will make them hate you less?
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Feb 2006 18:57 GMT
> I detest Bush and the Religous Right but I doubt that they'd incite
> their
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But do you really  think that appeasing the Islamists
> will make them hate you less?

I don't try to appease any religious extremists, from whatever faith.
I don't find Christian Fundamentalists any less dangerous than Muslim
fundamentalists for that matter, or any other religious
fundamentalists, they can all go to hell (not that I believe in hell
either) as far as I'm concerned.  As far as moral equivalence, don't
make me laugh, I find no morals in any religious fanatics.
223rem - 03 Feb 2006 19:06 GMT
I don't find Christian Fundamentalists any less dangerous than Muslim
fundamentalists for that matter,

========================

Really? We better start guarding our subways and airports against
Christian suicide bombers then!. And brace for beheadings in
the Bible belt.

PS: Moral equivalence doesnt imply high morals.
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Feb 2006 19:32 GMT
> I don't find Christian Fundamentalists any less dangerous than Muslim
> fundamentalists for that matter,
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>
> PS: Moral equivalence doesnt imply high morals.

Yeah, protect the abortion clinics, protect anyone who owns the oil
that you want, protect women, protect ethnic minorities, in fact
protect the whole world, need I go on.
NMR - 03 Feb 2006 19:39 GMT
>> I don't find Christian Fundamentalists any less dangerous than Muslim
>> fundamentalists for that matter,
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> that you want, protect women, protect ethnic minorities, in fact
> protect the whole world, need I go on.

If this was a perfect world there would be no need to worry about those
things but it is not by a long shot   but  subjects both of you are
describing can't be debated  without emotion clouding your responses and all
it is going to lead to is a bunch of BS response and a flaming war  which we
don't need out here
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Feb 2006 21:12 GMT
I agree, I was thinking earlier that it's not the right place for this
sort of discussion.

Marcia

> >> I don't find Christian Fundamentalists any less dangerous than Muslim
> >> fundamentalists for that matter,
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> it is going to lead to is a bunch of BS response and a flaming war  which we
> don't need out here
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Feb 2006 10:17 GMT
>> Really? We better start guarding our subways and airports against
>> Christian suicide bombers then!. And brace for beheadings in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> that you want, protect women, protect ethnic minorities, in fact
> protect the whole world, need I go on.

I don't understand this comment at all, so yes, could you go on? :)

Joyce
meee - 03 Feb 2006 23:00 GMT
>I don't find Christian Fundamentalists any less dangerous than Muslim
> fundamentalists for that matter,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> PS: Moral equivalence doesnt imply high morals.

oh no, we don't suicide bomb....we send large armies and warheads and kill
women and children just because a terrorist leader might perhaps have been
somewhere in the vicinity sometime in the last week or so.
Adrian - 03 Feb 2006 19:26 GMT
> I detest Bush and the Religous Right but I doubt that they'd incite
> their
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But do you really  think that appeasing the Islamists
> will make them hate you less?

You are clearly bigoted, therefore not worth arguing with.
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meee - 03 Feb 2006 22:58 GMT
>I detest Bush and the Religous Right but I doubt that they'd incite
> their
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> But do you really  think that appeasing the Islamists
> will make them hate you less?

using the atrocities commited by war criminals who use their religion to
justify the crimes they commit (as nazis used christianity to justify
genocide, and the muslims used christianity to justify anyone in their way)
to excuse offensive and insensitive cartoons is ridiculous and achieves
nothing. except allowing idiots like you to get away with thinking their
xenophobic principles are 'ok' and 'normal'
Wayne Mitchell - 04 Feb 2006 02:34 GMT
>I'd like to see Bush's face and his fundamentalist Christian cronies if
>the papers started posting "amusing" cartoons about Jesus and the
>Virgin Mary, I wonder how the "free press" would get away with that
>then.

???  It's done all the time -- by cartoonists and by stand-up
comics.  Cartoonists and comedians are not *supposed* to be
reverent -- or even politically correct.  It's their job to
lampoon everybody, and particularly anybody who gets so full of
himself that he thinks his beliefs ought to be exempt.

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Jo Firey - 03 Feb 2006 18:34 GMT
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That's what all the fuss is about?  There have been "jokes" about the lack
of suitable rewards for martyr's as long as there have been martyrs.

Not to say it isn't likely offensive and in extremely poor taste, but for
crying out loud, it isn't even faintly original.

Jo
NMR - 03 Feb 2006 18:43 GMT
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>
> Jo
Freedom of Speech in the USA is a great thing that comes with great
consequences
Mathew Kagis - 03 Feb 2006 19:10 GMT
> Freedom of Speech in the USA is a great thing that comes with great
> consequences

Ever since the 'patriot act' your freedom of speech is alot more restricted
than you'd like to think... ( & way more restricted than your Govt. would
like you to think)... Next comes the thought police, soon after, You'll love
big brother.
be vigilant, be carefull, be informed.

Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas
Cheryl Perkins - 03 Feb 2006 19:15 GMT
> Freedom of Speech in the USA is a great thing that comes with great
> consequences

What does that have to do with a Danish cartoon?

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NMR - 03 Feb 2006 20:24 GMT
>> Freedom of Speech in the USA is a great thing that comes with great
>> consequences
>
> What does that have to do with a Danish cartoon?

Read the rest of the post and you can figure it out :-)
Cheryl Perkins - 03 Feb 2006 20:37 GMT
> Read the rest of the post and you can figure it out :-)

Not really. The rest of the post was a general comment on the cartoons
(which to my mind suffer major failings as cartoons - they aren't funny
or original or interesting).

It's being claimed a free speech issue, certainly, but surely it's a
Danish free speech issue, not an American one? And a free speech issue
in the various European countries which picked up the story - at least
it is not an American issue until some US news group reprints them.

Anyway, the whole thing is a really poor example of championing free
speech. Some of those media outlets are essentially saying 'I'm going to
demonstrate my right to free speech by being offensive'. That's an
approach I find extremely tedious, not to mention suspect. There seems no
particular reason to bother digging up those cartoons and making them into
an Issue like some news organizations are doing unless they want to make
money off it or something. It's not like they are news - the cartoons were
printed last fall AFAIK.

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223rem - 03 Feb 2006 19:29 GMT
First, suicide bombers are not martyrs. Thet're murderous psychopats.
Second, cartoons are supposed to be funny and irreverent.The people who
got offended
are insecure morons with no sense of humor.
223rem - 03 Feb 2006 19:29 GMT
First, suicide bombers are not martyrs. Thet're murderous psychopats.
Second, cartoons are supposed to be funny and irreverent.The people who
got offended
are insecure morons with no sense of humor.

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