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CatNipped - 28 Sep 2004 22:30 GMT We feed every "stray" cat within a 2 mile radius of our house (as I'm sure most of you here do too).
There is one solid gray cat who, at least at one time, must have been someone's pet since s/he (can't get close enough to tell) has on a flea collar. The problem is that the collar looks like it's way too tight (as if the cat has grown a *lot* since s/he had it put on). This kitty either has been out on his/her own long enough to have become feral (does that happen??), or has had a really bad experience with humans and is too scared to let anyone anywhere near him/her. We've been feeding him/her for a few weeks now and s/he still won't let us get close enough to grab him/her in order to take the collar off.
What I need advice on... Where can I borrow a humane trap, and, if I can't borrow one, how much do they cost and where can I buy one? What should I bait the trap with? How do we keep the (semi-tame) possum (who also eats the food we put out) out of the trap (also goes for squirrels, racoons, etc.)?
Also, if we do trap him/her, and it turns out to be a "him", is there a way to tell if he's already been neutered (sorry for my ignorance, I've only had female cats)? As long as we have him/her I'd like to do a TNR.
Since s/he has been coming around I haven't seen any of our other "regulars" at the food bowl (I'm thinking s/he is fierce enough to have driven them off away from "his/her" food source), so I'm not worried about catching other strays.
Any / all help would be greatly appreciated.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Dan M - 28 Sep 2004 22:55 GMT > Any / all help would be greatly appreciated. > > Hugs, > > CatNipped Around where I live, you can borrow traps from County Animal Control, but there's a waiting list. When I went to trap Samuel I rented a trap from the local feed store (yes, even in crowded Southern California we still have feed stores). I seem to recall it cost me $10 for a weekend.
Dan
Karen - 29 Sep 2004 04:21 GMT >> Any / all help would be greatly appreciated. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dan They say KFC works great for bait.
Steve Touchstone - 29 Sep 2004 00:37 GMT Purrs that you can catch him/her. I don't really have any useful advice - the only time I tried to trap a cat was a miserable failure. That was with Rocky while he was still wild, and I ended up having togain his trust over time. Doesn't sound like an option is there's a too tight collar involved, so hope someone with more experience can give you some hints.
One thing I remember from an earlier thread was the suggestion that you rig the trap so that you can open the door without getting too close. Just in case you do trap some critter you want to keep your distance from, ie shunk.
Probably don't need to tell you this, but remember to make frequent checks of the trap. The reason Rocky is so trap wary is because he was trapped by a neighbor after a possum, and the poor guy was stuck inside for a hot Oklahoma summer afternoon.
Don't you just love it when someone starts out saying they don't have any suggestions, then proceeds to come up with some anyway ;-)
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CatNipped - 29 Sep 2004 00:41 GMT > Purrs that you can catch him/her. I don't really have any useful > advice - the only time I tried to trap a cat was a miserable failure. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html > Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html I would only set the trap out when I was at home - would probably do it on a Friday night. We put the food out at the same time every night and s/he has gotten to where s/he is waiting for it, so we could probably get him/her at that time, or later on in the evening.
That was a *very* good suggestion about being able to open the door from afar - I didn't think about that and would have been in a pickle if it was something I was afraid of getting close to.
Thanks Steve!!!
Hugs,
CatNipped
LOL - 29 Sep 2004 07:59 GMT > I would only set the trap out when I was at home - would probably do it on a > Friday night. We put the food out at the same time every night and s/he has [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped Unless your vet is open on a Saturday, I wouldn't try to trap on a Friday night; I'd try for Sunday night, so I could take him to the vet Monday morning. Of course, you're not out in the wilderness like I am, so probably have access to a vet all the time. :-)
I don't really have any suggestions, except that you may can tell from the size of the testicles whether he's been neutered. We bought a trap (IIRC, from Petsmart for $75-ish) after we couldn't find one to borrow. We told our vet we'd be willing to loan it, so you might want to check with your vet to see if he knows of a loaner available.
Good luck! We'll be purring for the little guy.
------ Krista
CatNipped - 29 Sep 2004 13:58 GMT > Unless your vet is open on a Saturday, I wouldn't try to trap on a > Friday night; I'd try for Sunday night, so I could take him to the vet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ------ > Krista Our vet is open on Saturdays, so that's why I thought about Friday night. I was going to ask about borrowing a humane trap from the vet's office, the rescue group at PetsMart, and the Humane Society, but would welcome other ideas as well.
I just found out that when our company complete their merger with another company in two weeks, not only will we go to a "hold back" period for our pay checks, but will also be going to a two-week pay period. This means I'll be going for three weeks without a pay check. After the run of bad luck we had starting last October, our savings is completely wiped out, so we're going to be *very* hard up for a while. Otherwise I would just go ahead and buy the trap.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Dan M - 29 Sep 2004 22:53 GMT > I just found out that when our company complete their merger with another > company in two weeks, not only will we go to a "hold back" period for our [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > we're going to be *very* hard up for a while. Otherwise I would just go > ahead and buy the trap. Oh, been there, done that! We can sympathise. Purrs coming for you to make it through the lean period ok.
Dan
Christine Burel - 29 Sep 2004 03:31 GMT > We feed every "stray" cat within a 2 mile radius of our house (as I'm sure > most of you here do too). [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the food we put out) out of the trap (also goes for squirrels, racoons, > etc.)? gs,
> CatNipped I've had luck borrowing traps from a couple of my local cat rescue groups, CatNipped -- have you had a chance to call around? If that doesn't work, I just did a web search for humane cat traps and came up with this site: http://growersupply.com/live.html
I also found this site which may be helpful, too! http://www.happytails.org/images/trapcat.pdf
Other stuff re trapping:
First get stray kitty used to being fed by you on a regular feeding schedule, -- be sure you try to establish dusk as the time you feed because ferals are more likely to be able to get the food then your possum and/or raccoons who will be out when it gets darker. After you get the kitty used to being fed at this time then you can try putting the trap out with the door tied open so the kitty gets used to seeing it and can even walk in with out anything scary happening. Then I try putting the food dish closer the trap (still with the door tied open) and so forth -- you can see where this is going. I'd probably not leave food out overnight though or you will get nocturnal visitors. You'll end up at the point where you're ready to actually set the trap. I had help trapping the first rescues I attempted from one of the local cat rescue ladies -- I was trapping cats living under the school library building at my kids' elementary school. I'd set the trap(s) (I borrowed 2) after school let out and the kids were gone and/or also on Saturdays and Sundays and the rescue lady was kind enough to go down in early evening on weekdays to see if anyone was caught. She also said never leave them in traps overnight (too dangerous for them she said).
Well, neutering used to involve removing or reducing the size of the testicles (someone correct me if I'm wrong here!)but now I think some vets just leave the sacs and remove the inner stuff. To be sure I'd try to make an arrangement for your vet to check the kitty out -- what I did was warn my long-suffering vet about the rescue ahead of time and see if you can set up some kind of plan together and inform the other vet staff you may be calling/coming in with a critter-- my vet was also very nice to me and made sure I got a 20% rescue discount on my strays -- it doesn't hurt to ask...
I wish you all the best, CatNipped -- I just thought of another link that may be useful to you: http://www.campuscats.org/articles/tiger.html
Hope this helps and let me know if I can do anything else! Christine
CatNipped - 29 Sep 2004 14:04 GMT > I've had luck borrowing traps from a couple of my local cat rescue groups, > CatNipped -- have you had a chance to call around? If that doesn't work, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I also found this site which may be helpful, too! > http://www.happytails.org/images/trapcat.pdf Thanks for the links!
> Other stuff re trapping: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ferals are more likely to be able to get the food then your possum and/or > raccoons who will be out when it gets darker. Yep, we've done that after reading that here (you guys are *so* helpful).
> After you get the kitty used > to being fed at this time then you can try putting the trap out with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > get > nocturnal visitors. I didn't think of that - I was just going to put the trap out and hope to catch him/her the first time (DUH! I told you guys I needed help!! ;>). We already do leave the food out - after the strays have eaten their full the possums and squirrels and racoons are welcome to have the rest (after all, every creature gets hungry).
> You'll end up at the point where you're ready to > actually set the trap. I had help trapping the first rescues I attempted [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in early evening on weekdays to see if anyone was caught. She also said > never leave them in traps overnight (too dangerous for them she said). Yeah, I was going to put the trap out at dusk and, if we didn't catch him/her, pick it up before we go to bed (although with hubby working shift work even when he's off he doesn't go to be until about 4:00AM, so that gives us a large window of opportunity).
> Well, neutering used to involve removing or reducing the size of the > testicles (someone correct me if I'm wrong here!)but now I think some vets [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Hope this helps and let me know if I can do anything else! > Christine Thanks Christine, I've already gotten several pieces of advice from you and others that I didn't think of about this endeavor!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Christine Burel - 29 Sep 2004 14:34 GMT > > I've had luck borrowing traps from a couple of my local cat rescue groups, > > CatNipped -- have you had a chance to call around? If that doesn't work, [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > CatNipped Um, if you have other strays that come you might consider borrowing more than one trap and seeing if you can work out that arrangement with your vet if any of these need fixing, too. See if you can check around and see if there are any rescue groups that work with ferals; they may be able to assist you, and they also may know of good contacts as far as neutering costs are concerned. I was lucky with Robin last summer because my vet neutered him for a nominal fee because someone locally had made a contribution to the vet to help neuter strays; it was called "Chica's Gift." I'd be willing to make a small contribution towards your vet bill, too, when the time comes. As people on this group know, there were some very kind people on this group who helped with my vet bills re Robin, Tucker & Pirate, last year. Christine
CatNipped - 29 Sep 2004 15:23 GMT > Um, if you have other strays that come you might consider borrowing more > than one trap and seeing if you can work out that arrangement with your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > last year. > Christine No, I think the other "strays" are just other neighbors' cats who just like the food we provide better. They're all friendly, will accept pets and scritches, and have all been spayed (they're all girl kitties). It's just the one kitty I'm worried about because of the flea collar being too tight and him/her being so scared.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Enfilade - 30 Sep 2004 02:28 GMT This kitty either has been out on his/her own long enough to have become feral (does that happen?
I would say yes, it does, as we're pretty sure that's what happened to our Smokey.
He was littertrained, used scratching post exclusively, and spent his first night in our apartment climbing all over us AND our three guests he'd never seen before in his life. Truly feral cats (grown to adulthood without human contact) do not get that tame with everyone they meet, particularly not within the space of a day--24 hours after coming home Smokey acted like he'd lived there forever. That was a faster adjustment than our humane society adoption (Nocturne).
We spent two months domesticating Smokey from feral into our unit mascot. It seems to me that collarkitty may come around if you sit quietly while he eats. IT will, howeve,r take time and I would use the trap to get that collar off him first; then see if you can tame him.
Best of luck
--Fil
CatNipped - 30 Sep 2004 03:01 GMT > This kitty either has > been out on his/her own long enough to have become feral (does that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > --Fil Nope, as soon as he hears the door opening he runs off (really fast!!). We feed him on the upper deck and my DH tried going outside from the downstairs and the going up the stairs outside and the poor little thing jumped off the upper deck from the side just to avoid him.
I haven't seen him today or yesterday, I hope he's still OK. I'm going to the rescue group at PetsMart tomorrow to ask about a humane trap and will talk to my new vet tomorrow also. I'm hoping he'll be back at the food bowl by this weekend. Keep your fingers crossed for me please!!
Hugs,
CatNipped
LOL - 30 Sep 2004 09:32 GMT > Nope, as soon as he hears the door opening he runs off (really fast!!). We > feed him on the upper deck and my DH tried going outside from the downstairs [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped Awww, purrs for the poor little fellow. Good luck! ------ Krista
Oh and PS: There's no rescue group here. So I could help out with the vet bills. ;-)
Christine Burel - 30 Sep 2004 14:41 GMT Most definitely, heartfelt purrs for your success with this little one are coming from us! Christine
> > This kitty either has > > been out on his/her own long enough to have become feral (does that [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > CatNipped Annie Wxill - 01 Oct 2004 01:24 GMT > ...Nope, as soon as he hears the door opening he runs off (really fast!!). > ...> > CatNipped While you are trying to round up a trap, you can use the door opening sound to your advantage. When I was working with Rosie before I trapped her, I fed her twice a day at the same time each day, except for weekends, when I sometimes slept in. Our front door had a squeak. It didn't take very long for Rosie to associate the squeak of the door to feeding time. She would appear in that way I call ghosting. You know, when you can't see them anywhere around and suddenly, there they are. Even if your door doesn't squeak, it will make some sound when you open it. You can call the the cat at the same time. It will associate the sounds with the food and will associate you with food. With Rosie, I sat some distance from the food and did not move while encouraging her to eat. I said softly, "It's O.K. You can eat." Each day I sat a little closer. After about a month I could sit right by the food and she would approach and eat, as long as I did not move. Then I sat with my hand closer to the dish, then on the dish. Meanwhile, I put a wire dog travel crate in the vicinity of the area where I fed her. I covered it with a blanket and put fresh water in it. I bought the trap, and put it next to the wire travel crate. The morning Rosie took a little smoked salmon from my hand, I knew she was ready. That evening, I went out the squeaky door and Rosie appeared, right on cue. Instead of putting down the dish, I put some smoked salmon in the trap and set it and walked a distance away. Rosie had followed me to the trap and watched me bait it. I said softly, "It's O.K. You can eat." And she walked right in. I felt like such a traitor. If it turns out that you have to buy a trap, let me know. I can loan you mine, so don't spend the money. Good luck with your venture. Annie
CatNipped - 01 Oct 2004 02:13 GMT > While you are trying to round up a trap, you can use the door opening sound > to your advantage. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You can call the the cat at the same time. It will associate the sounds > with the food and will associate you with food. S/he does already. S/he waits in the yard downstairs by the fence watching me put out the food. For outside I use two metal dishes (so whatever animal eats out of it doesn't push it off the deck and break it - I've had to go down the to lower deck and fetch it back up a few times). However, s/he will wait until I'm back inside the house before coming the to food dishes (although there were a few times when I saw him/her at the top of the stairs when I turned around when I got to the door - but when s/he saw me looking, s/he ran back down again).
> With Rosie, I sat some distance from the food and did not move while > encouraging her to eat. I said softly, "It's O.K. You can eat." Each day I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The morning Rosie took a little smoked salmon from my hand, I knew she was > ready. Wow, talk about the paitence of a saint! You are such a sweetie Annie, not many people (at least outside this group) would go to all that trouble for a "stray". Bless you heart!!!
> That evening, I went out the squeaky door and Rosie appeared, right on cue. > Instead of putting down the dish, I put some smoked salmon in the trap and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Good luck with your venture. > Annie Thanks. I wasn't able to stop by PetsMart today because I had to work overtime, so I'm going to go there and also call my vet tomorrow (I figure I won't be able to do it this weekend anyway since I haven't seen him/her in the last 2 1/2 days - I'm just heading off to feed everyone now even though it's later than they usually get fed).
Hugs,
CatNipped
CatNipped - 01 Oct 2004 02:16 GMT > For outside I use two metal dishes (so whatever animal > eats out of it doesn't push it off the deck and break it - I've had to go > down the to lower deck and fetch it back up a few times). Forgot to say that I clank the two bowls together and squeal, "Kitty hungry? Kitty hungry?", so s/he associates that will eating and hopefully will hear it from farther away if s/he's not around at feeding time.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Steve Touchstone - 01 Oct 2004 02:43 GMT >While you are trying to round up a trap, you can use the door opening sound >to your advantage. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >watched me bait it. I said softly, "It's O.K. You can eat." And she walked >right in. Unfortunately CN is faced with a situation when the kitty needs to be caught quickly, IIRC it's wearing a too tight collar.
Sounds a lot like what I did to get Rocky. Biggest difference is that it Rock a lot longer to accept me. I had to put the food in the corner of the yard, wher he could just hop through the fence, for six months before he'd eat with me sitting about 20 yards away. Probably took a year before I was sitting motionlessly by the bowl while he ate. About the time I could touch him I had to betray his trust by hauling him off to TED because fo a abcess. We had to start all over, but thankfully things went quicker the second time around. Altogether, it was probably 18 months before he stuck around and accepted pets while he ate.
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CatNipped - 01 Oct 2004 14:44 GMT > Unfortunately CN is faced with a situation when the kitty needs to be > caught quickly, IIRC it's wearing a too tight collar. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > was probably 18 months before he stuck around and accepted pets while > he ate. Yeah, I don't think I could wait weeks and weeks - although the collar doesn't appear to be bothering him/her, it still looks too tight to me so I'd like to get it off as quickly as possible. I'm going to call SunSmart (the PetsMart rescue organization) today and see about the trap. I also realized (DUH!) that they would probably be able to get him/her into their own vet to do the speuter at less cost that my private vet would charge.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Annie Wxill - 01 Oct 2004 21:04 GMT >>While you are trying to round up a trap, you can use the door opening >>sound >>to your advantage....> Annie
> Unfortunately CN is faced with a situation when the kitty needs to be > caught quickly, IIRC it's wearing a too tight collar. ...> --
> Steve Touchstone, I agree, the collar should come off as soon as possible.
My suggestions were for the period of time while she is trying to get her hands on a trap and make the arrangements for a vet visit.
While feeding the cat, she might as well use that time, be it short or long, to make some headway with the taming.
The cat obviously has been a pet at some time and may tame more rapidly than expected.
Annie
Adrian - 30 Sep 2004 15:13 GMT > No, I think the other "strays" are just other neighbors' cats who > just like the food we provide better. They're all friendly, will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped The only suggestion I have that hasn't been mentioned is have him/her scanned for a microchip, it is possible he/she has a slave somewhere who's missing him/her. Good luck with the trapping and purrs your finances improve soon.
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Annie Wxill - 30 Sep 2004 00:22 GMT ... See if you can check around and see if
> there are any rescue groups that work with ferals; they may be able to > assist you, and they also may know of good contacts as far as neutering [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the time comes. ... > Christine Catnipped, Christine's suggestion is good. My daughter got a spay certificate from one of the local rescue groups in her town. The certificate got her a reduction on the cost of the spay. You could Google rescue groups in Houston and find one that might help you. Actually, after she took the whole litter of kittens in for shots and worming, the vet was so impressed with them that he offered to spay the mom for free when she trapped her. However, she already had the certificate, so he could have turned it in for some money back from the rescue group. He also got a nasty bite from the mom cat. By-the-way, she baited the trap with smoked salmon, and the cat went in, but did not spring it. My daughter reset it at a more sensitive level the next night and got the cat. We will make a contribution. Just let us know how to contact the vet, when you find out where you'll be taking the cat. Annie
CatNipped - 30 Sep 2004 00:32 GMT > Catnipped, > Christine's suggestion is good. My daughter got a spay certificate from one [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you find out where you'll be taking the cat. > Annie Thanks Annie. Actually I haven't been to see my "new" vet yet (after having dropped the old one after what happened with Sammy). The name of the place is "Just Cats" in The Woodlands (just north of us). I "interviewed" their staff before deciding that this was the vet I'm going to use from now on. I haven't even gotten the trap yet, so haven't talked to them about the neuter, but I'll probably just put it on a credit card then pay that when we get back on our feet again. I'd rather see people donate to their local rescue groups (for people who don't even have credit cards to fall back on) but I am very, very touched by your offer - thanks.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Annie Wxill - 29 Sep 2004 23:45 GMT ...>
> Since s/he has been coming around I haven't seen any of our other > "regulars" at the food bowl (I'm thinking s/he is fierce enough to have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CatNipped I bought a humane trap at a local feed store when I trapped Rosie. I used smoked salmon as bait. When my daughter trapped a barn cat last summer, a co-worker loaned her a trap, and she also used smoked salmon. It worked like a charm for us both. It is important to arrange ahead of time with a vet who knows how to handle feral or hard stray cats. You'll probably need to bring the cat to the vet while he or she is still inside the trap. That flea collar really needs to come off. I'll ask the formerly feral Rosie to purr some extra purrs for the gray cat. Annie
~*Connie*~ - 30 Sep 2004 04:00 GMT > Any / all help would be greatly appreciated. > > Hugs, > > CatNipped after reading though the posts, I saw you said your vet was open on saturday.. the question I would have for you is will they sedate on a saturday. At the clinic I work for, we are short staffed on saturday, because we only do surgery on week days. If the cat is as skittish once in captivity as you think he will be, they might have to sedate him to do a proper exam and to get the collar off. Call them up, tell them your plans, and see what they suggest.
You asked about neutering too. Where I work, we remove the testicles. The doctors can tell with a quick grope if the cat has been neutered, and can usually tell at a glance (or a sniff) if he isn't. Unneutered males smell like someone forgot to wear deodorant, then went on a 40 day hike.
Unfortunately I don't know of a good way to ensure you catch the one you are after. I would suggest you call local rescue groups or shelters to see if they have a trap you can borrow, but someone already did that :D
Good luck! I'll be thinking of you
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