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rrb - 02 Feb 2006 06:20 GMT Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into effect in thirty days on March 1st, 2006. The most notable of the changes listed on it is it says in bold print "No Pets Have Been Authorized". I don't think they are going "no pets" but they have had a declaw requirement which has not been enforced. Purrs are requested that I can get my two cats "authorized" and if not and I have to move that I find a place within the time allotted if I have to move. I will call the on-site manager tomorrow to get more information. I will find a place as there are plenty of places around. Plus purrs are requested if they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few cats in residence here.
Yoj - 02 Feb 2006 08:02 GMT > Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when > I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few > cats in residence here. Purrs are on the way.
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Adrian - 02 Feb 2006 10:34 GMT > Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail > when I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > around. Plus purrs are requested if they are getting tough on pets or > going no pets as there are quite a few cats in residence here. Purrs for you and your cats, and all the other cats that live there.
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Steve Touchstone - 02 Feb 2006 11:39 GMT >Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when >I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few >cats in residence here. Purrs on the way for things to work out. I certainly understand where you're coming from. It wasn't that long ago that I was in a similar situation. My complex had new owners who decided they were going tostart enfrcing the already existing no pet clause for new tenants. Tenants who already had cats were told they could keep one cat, but that it would have to be declawed. I received the letter on Friday afternoon. I spent the weekend printing declaw information from the internet (and asking for purrs from the folks here), and first thing Monday I tracked down the new owners and gave them notice I'd be moving. To make a long story shorter, they relented and said I could keep my cats and not declaw - though they did ask for a pet deposit for each cat.
I can't complain tthough. This is what made me decide to find a home for Whitey, the mostly white, black and white tom cat that I'd been feeding for a couple years. I found him a home, but he didn't make the move either. He moved in with me and got a new name - Rocky.
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Jane - 02 Feb 2006 13:44 GMT >situation. My complex had new owners who decided they were going >tostart enfrcing the already existing no pet clause for new tenants. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >keep my cats and not declaw - though they did ask for a pet deposit >for each cat. When I moved into my current apartment complex, I spent 45 minutes carefully reading over both leases - both mine and the cat's. Yes, the cat had his own lease! It said that cats must be declawed, and not only did I tell them that I wouldn't do it,I made sure they crossed out that line and initialed it - just in case.
Good luck with the new/old place, wherever you end up.
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Yowie - 02 Feb 2006 20:06 GMT > >situation. My complex had new owners who decided they were going >>tostart enfrcing the already existing no pet clause for new tenants. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > not only did I tell them that I wouldn't do it,I made sure they > crossed out that line and initialed it - just in case. Just a dumb question: when you folks that rent in a place that insists that you declaw your cat, is the place furnished? Because for the life of me I can't see what possible damage a clawed cat to make to a bare apartment? Sure, a cat *might* scratch the crap out of a lounge suite, if there is nothing else to scratch upon, but surely thats your furniture and therefore your problem?
Cat *urine* is a different thing entirely, but declawing a cat will not stop in peeing on the carpet if thats what it insists on doing (it may actually make inapproriate urination worse).
If I was a landlord, I'd much prefer for my tenants to keep cats (with all claws intact) than have kids, because i know what damage kids can do. And cats don't even come close!
Yowie
Magic Mood Jeep© - 02 Feb 2006 20:48 GMT >>> situation. My complex had new owners who decided they were going >>> tostart enfrcing the already existing no pet clause for new tenants. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Yowie I can show you pictrues where *my* cats have clawed *our* walls - in some places they have exposed the interior of the sheetrock/drywall, in others, they've just managed to peel up the wallpaper (crappy wallpaper anyway, and one of the things we've been planing on removing/replacing anyway), and then they play with the shreds - I find them all over the house. In the bedrooms - acraps of wallpaper from the kitchen will appear..... <sigh>
Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Feb 2006 21:22 GMT > I can show you pictrues where *my* cats have clawed *our* walls - in > some places they have exposed the interior of the sheetrock/drywall, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > find them all over the house. In the bedrooms - acraps of wallpaper > from the kitchen will appear..... <sigh> I can well imagine that, once it starts peeling, it's impossible to get the cats away from it.
Living with a cat has taught me a lot about the cat "out of sight, out of mind" theory. I "hide" curtain strings or hang them way up high. I don't let things dangle or drape.
While Oscar and I were living with my brother, he got somewhat upset when he discovered that his high school tassel, which he'd hung on his doorknob, had been shredded. I tried to muster sympathy, but honestly, my internal reaction was more like, "How could you hang something from a doorknob and NOT expect a cat to go for it?"
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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Feb 2006 21:06 GMT > Just a dumb question: when you folks that rent in a place that > insists that you declaw your cat, is the place furnished? Because > for the life of me I can't see what possible damage a clawed cat to > make to a bare apartment? Sure, a cat *might* scratch the crap out > of a lounge suite, if there is nothing else to scratch upon, but > surely thats your furniture and therefore your problem? Well, Oscar destroyed all of my blinds. But I think she chewed through them. And they were pretty cheap to replace.
I actually got Oscar when I had my dog Puma. I didn't report her existence because I knew the lease said to declaw. So when Puma died, I just kept paying dog pet rent.
Which is the other obnoxious thing about these requirements; they typically are already charging you pet rent, plus a non-refundable deposit! (How is it a deposit, anyway, when it's non-refundable?) And then on *top* of that they want to declaw your cat??
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John F. Eldredge - 03 Feb 2006 04:12 GMT >Just a dumb question: when you folks that rent in a place that insists that >you declaw your cat, is the place furnished? Because for the life of me I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >claws intact) than have kids, because i know what damage kids can do. And >cats don't even come close! My cat Katie, who died of cancer two years ago, clawed several doorposts down to bare wood during her last six weeks or so of life. She was the dominant cat of the pair, and apparently felt, once her strength started to fade, that she needed to mark her territory more vigorously.
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Steve Touchstone - 04 Feb 2006 12:33 GMT >Just a dumb question: when you folks that rent in a place that insists that >you declaw your cat, is the place furnished? Because for the life of me I >can't see what possible damage a clawed cat to make to a bare apartment? >Sure, a cat *might* scratch the crap out of a lounge suite, if there is >nothing else to scratch upon, but surely thats your furniture and therefore >your problem? Unfurnished here. Actually, both Sammy and Spot have done some damage by scratching in inappropiate places. The trim around the windows and doors are raw wood, and both occassionally scratch there. Course, replacing all the trim would just take an hour or two, a miter saw, and some finish nails.
>Cat *urine* is a different thing entirely, but declawing a cat will not stop >in peeing on the carpet if thats what it insists on doing (it may actually >make inapproriate urination worse). when I printed out the declaw info and presented it to the new owners I printed that section in a large bold font, and then highlighted it with a highlighter pen. Unfortuantely, I don't know if they even read the info. When I gave notice that I'd move before giving up any of my cats (the new lease said tenants who already had pets could keep one cat - and of course at the time I had both Sammy and Little Bit and Rocky was added a short time later) - or declawing - they backed off the declawing and agreed to let me keep all my cats, as long as I put up a deposit for each one.
>If I was a landlord, I'd much prefer for my tenants to keep cats (with all >claws intact) than have kids, because i know what damage kids can do. And >cats don't even come close! I'd tend to agree. Here there are actually three complexes, each a block apart, owned and managed from the same office. My complex is all small one bedroom apartments - which tends to keep out couples with children. One street away the complex is one and two bedroom apartments, and the next street over has 1-3 bedrooms. Something I've never understood is that while the other two complexes have washer/drier hookups in each apartment, my complex is the only one without a common laundry room.
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rrb - 05 Feb 2006 19:21 GMT > Just a dumb question: when you folks that rent in a place that insists that > you declaw your cat, is the place furnished? Because for the life of me I > can't see what possible damage a clawed cat to make to a bare apartment? > Sure, a cat *might* scratch the crap out of a lounge suite, if there is > nothing else to scratch upon, but surely thats your furniture and therefore > your problem? My complex does have a declaw requirement but it has never been enforced - at least not for me anyway. Though my cats have done damage to the carpet in a few areas. In some cases down to the carpet backing. Though this is due to the carpet not being installed correctly. There were areas where the carpet was loose, and they scratched and pulled on it until nothing was left. There are also a few areas with loose carpet fibers pulled up as they walked or ran by in certain areas. They have also pulled the paint off doors by scratching. But that is easily fixed. They were able to do this because the painters painted water based paint on top of oil based paint without a primer in between.
I have lived here so long - over five years - and kept on good terms with the manager. Plus I have never caused problems for my neighbors. I try to be respectful of them as much as possible - keeping the noise level down etc. I think that is part of the reason they do not push me into the declaw requirement. Having a good tenant has rewards for them as well. I think they prefer to keep good tenants rather than loose them to enforcing a lease/rental requirement.
Victor Martinez - 02 Feb 2006 12:11 GMT > the on-site manager tomorrow to get more information. I will find a > place as there are plenty of places around. Plus purrs are requested if > they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few > cats in residence here. Lots of purrs that you end up better than you are now. :)
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CatNipped - 02 Feb 2006 14:43 GMT Purrs on the way!
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> Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when I > got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few cats in residence > here. Enfilade - 02 Feb 2006 15:59 GMT > Purrs on the way! > > -- Many purrs.
The town I used to live, it was actually illegal to forbid tenants from having pets. The leases still said 'no pets' but since it was overruled by the bylaw, it wasn't legally binding.
This place I live here also says no pets, but even the floor supervisors have cats. Basically nobody cares as long as your pets don't annoy anyone else. It does make me kind of nervous that there's that lease we signed, but this is already not the place we wanted (That got rented out from right under us before we could move in, despite the paperwork we filled out. No money lost, though) Other than the neighbours-from-hell (Who got evicted) we've had a great 2.5 years here.
I wonder if we'll have trouble getting a new place with four cats. One thing's for sure, we won't move anywhere that won't take kitty, kitty, kitty and kitty AND all their claws.
--Fil
Lesley - 02 Feb 2006 17:03 GMT > This place I live here also says no pets, but even the floor > supervisors have cats. Basically nobody cares as long as your pets > don't annoy anyone else. When my mum was buying a flat, it had a "no pets" clause and as at the time to her annoyance (she was famously not into animals but she couldn't say no as my brother had helped her out a lot) she was being asked to look after Schroedinger the Cat (She didn't end up admitting to liking cats a lot afterwards but she used to say "They're too much responsibility but they're good company") she asked about this
They told her that the reason the clause was there was to be used if someone for example brought a big dog and locked it up all day so it made a noise or worse still let it run wild while they were out. They didn't have a problem with an indoor cat
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meee - 02 Feb 2006 22:21 GMT > Purrs on the way! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few cats in >> residence here. hope everything works out.....my lease says '1 outside cat' yeah right.....we now have 6 inside cats. My landlord isn't too nosy, so i just shut them in the bedroom til the inspection's over. Purring!!!
Steve Touchstone - 04 Feb 2006 12:33 GMT >hope everything works out.....my lease says '1 outside cat' yeah >right.....we now have 6 inside cats. My landlord isn't too nosy, so i just >shut them in the bedroom til the inspection's over. Purring!!! well, when I moved in there was a no pet clause. I asked for and received an exemption for my two cockatiels, but didn't jave cats at the time. Then of course LB showed and demanded to move in - and a couple weeks later her kittens. I told the then owners and manager I wanted to keep one kitten and LB. The old owners and manager were all animal people, and they said no problem. The clause was only there in case a pet caused problems - like someone else said like a dog with separation anxiety who barked, or some such thing. Actually, when I went on trips the then manager would come and feed the gang and scoop the boxes. Then, when the complexes sold the new owners were NOT animal people, and they decided to enforce the no pet clause. They actually thought they were doing me a favor offering to let me declaw and keep one of my two cats and were surprised when I told them I'd be moving. That's when they back pedaled and agreed I could keep them all and not declaw - I imagine it helped that I was already a long time tenant who had even looked after the office and helped with maintenance when asked.
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NMR - 02 Feb 2006 16:32 GMT > Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when I > got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few cats in residence > here. Purrs on the way hope everything works out
Sam - 03 Feb 2006 04:18 GMT > Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when > I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few > cats in residence here. Purrs on the way that they will come into a large dose of reasonableness.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Feb 2006 04:52 GMT > Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when > I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few > cats in residence here. Even if the building has new owners, don't they have to "grandfather" the pets already in residence? They can change the rules to allow no pets with new tenants, but I don't think they can legally compel existing tenants to move (so long as you pay your rent, etc.)
rrb - 05 Feb 2006 19:27 GMT >> Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail >> when I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > pets with new tenants, but I don't think they can legally compel > existing tenants to move (so long as you pay your rent, etc.) I have done some research in this area and have found nothing in the rental code that states that they have to grandfather anyone unless they chose to for a good tenant as a courtesy or at their discretion. I did not read the whole rental code as I currently don't have time to do that but did search through it for key terms - as it is in electronic format. All that I could find was they with proper notice - usually thirty days or at the end of the terms of a lease - they could change a rental/lease agreement at will anyway they wanted to provided it does not go against any section of the rental code.
rrb - 05 Feb 2006 19:31 GMT > All that I could find was they with proper notice - usually thirty days > or at the end of the terms of a lease - they could change a rental/lease That should be in the case of a month-to-month rental agreement with thirty days notice. In the case of a lease it should be at least thirty days prior to expiration of the lease.
rrb - 03 Feb 2006 05:44 GMT > Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when > I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they are getting tough on pets or going no pets as there are quite a few > cats in residence here. Thanks for the purrs everyone but it turned out it was nothing. The on-site manager said the mailed rental agreement can be ignored. Apparently some yahoo in the building management firm mailed them out in error.
rrb. <redirecting the purrs to those who really need them>
meee - 03 Feb 2006 06:10 GMT >> Well I had a letter from my apartment complex management in my mail when >> I got home tonight. It was a new rental/lease agreement that goes into [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > rrb. > <redirecting the purrs to those who really need them> Oh Good! that's a relief!
Steve Touchstone - 04 Feb 2006 12:33 GMT >Thanks for the purrs everyone but it turned out it was nothing. The >on-site manager said the mailed rental agreement can be ignored. >Apparently some yahoo in the building management firm mailed them out in >error. Great news, what a relief.
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Enfilade - 05 Feb 2006 20:14 GMT > >Thanks for the purrs everyone but it turned out it was nothing. The > >on-site manager said the mailed rental agreement can be ignored. > >Apparently some yahoo in the building management firm mailed them out in > >error. > > Great news, what a relief. Excellent.
My place here expects me, when I move out, to clean the carpet and pay to replace it if it's been damaged beyond "Reasonable wear and tear." It does have a few stains, some from coffee, others from kitties barfing medicines, so I may have to, but I would rather buy a new carpet than remove or declaw my kitties (who don't even scratch this carpet)
--Fil
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