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Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 01:31 GMT
Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
and they'll have to let me back into the country! Of course the first
words out of my mother's mouth when I told her were 'when are you
coming home to visit'? Not for awhile, though I might change my mind
come midsummer when the temperature hits 95 and the humidity matches
it...
Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove
conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one,
and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then
I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
deal with the Immigration people ever again!

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Yoj - 27 Jan 2006 01:54 GMT
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Congratulations!  I am always happy when someone who moves to another
country wants to become a citizen.  I know several people who don't, and I
can't understand it.

JOy
Enfilade - 27 Jan 2006 02:18 GMT
> > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> > were engaged, I got my greencard!
>
> Congratulations!  I am always happy when someone who moves to another
> country wants to become a citizen.  I know several people who don't, and I
> can't understand it.

Congratulations on your green card!  Where were you originally from?

We may move to the US for Dylan to do a medical fellowship in 5-8 years
from now, but I would not give up my Canadian citizenship even if we
stayed in the US long term....I would always be wanting to eventually
come home, I think.  I would have to really feel like the new country
was my *fixed home*, not just somewhere I happened to be living, to
change my citizenship.

--Fil
Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 03:21 GMT
>> > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
>> > were engaged, I got my greencard!
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>was my *fixed home*, not just somewhere I happened to be living, to
>change my citizenship.

At this point we have no plans to go back to Australia to live... and
I like it here in Florida. So the US IS my permanent home. And
fortunately, Australia allows dual citizenship so I don't have to give
anything up to become American. :) If I couldn't be Australian AND
American I'd have to think much harder and longer and I don't know
what I'd decide...

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badwilson - 29 Jan 2006 06:05 GMT
>>> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
>>> were engaged, I got my greencard!
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> --Fil

I had to give up my German citizenship to become Canadian.  Of course I
was only 13 and didn't really care and I don't plan on ever going to
Germany to live.
Dennis and I are going to apply for Australian citizenship as soon as
absolutely possible (2 years after starting to live there permanently
although I've heard they are changing it to 4 years).  But we are also
keeping our Canadian citizenship at the same time.  Wouldn't give that
up.
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 03:19 GMT
>Congratulations!  I am always happy when someone who moves to another
>country wants to become a citizen.  I know several people who don't, and I
>can't understand it.

Actually, the only reason I really want citizenship is because once I
get that piece of paper in my hands, I can never be hassled by the
immigration people ever again! And we can come and go freely should we
choose, without worrying about re-entry permits and how long we've
been gone and whether it constitutes abandoning my status as a
greencard holder... The greencard gives one level of security from
harassment, but citizenship is much better because it's permanent.

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Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2006 14:44 GMT
> Congratulations!  I am always happy when someone who moves to another
> country wants to become a citizen.  I know several people who don't, and I
> can't understand it.

I've always been very ambivalent about it. Imagine how it feels to
pledge allegiance to a country different from the one you grew up in.
It's gotta be hard!
I do plan on becoming a citizen, cuz I'm sick and tired of paying taxes
and not being able to vote! What ever happened to no taxation without
representation? :)

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Jo Firey - 28 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT
>> Congratulations!  I am always happy when someone who moves to another
>> country wants to become a citizen.  I know several people who don't, and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> and not being able to vote! What ever happened to no taxation without
> representation? :)

Laughing.  Elected officials do supposedly represent us all.  Even those who
cannot vote or do not vote.  Even those who voted against them.

And I do understand your ambivalence.  Both my father and my daughter are
citizens by choice rather than by birth.

Then again so are most everyone's ancestors in the USA.

Are you in a position where you could have dual citizenship?  I really don't
understand how that works.

Jo
Victor Martinez - 28 Jan 2006 06:15 GMT
> Laughing.  Elected officials do supposedly represent us all.  Even those who
> cannot vote or do not vote.  Even those who voted against them.

Well, I do nag my "representatives" in Congress about issues I care
about. They mostly ignore me, cuz they're republican. :(

> Are you in a position where you could have dual citizenship?  I really don't
> understand how that works.

I can't have dual citizenship because the laws of Mexico prevent it. I
will be able to have US citizenship and Mexican nationality in the
future. Many other countries don't make the distinction between
citizenship and nationality. They just say "once you've been one us, you
can't renounce that". :)

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Wayne Mitchell - 28 Jan 2006 03:06 GMT
>I do plan on becoming a citizen, cuz I'm sick and tired of paying taxes
>and not being able to vote! What ever happened to no taxation without
>representation? :)

Exactly.  My version of an immigration interview would go like
this:

So, you new here?  Got a place to live?  Okay, fill in your name
and address on this card so you can be registered, and then
we'll see you at the polls.

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Cheryl Perkins - 27 Jan 2006 15:09 GMT
> Congratulations!  I am always happy when someone who moves to another
> country wants to become a citizen.  I know several people who don't, and I
> can't understand it.

In my experience, it usually has something to do with level of loyalty and
committment to the new and the old country. As long as taking an oath to a
new country feels like a betrayal of the old, it won't (and shouldn't) be
done. That covers a *lot* of people in highly mobile professions or
married to those who move a lot. They're in a country to work or study or
to be with family who are working or studying there, and don't plan to
stay permanently (although some do end up doing so). Sometimes there are
legal reasons, depending on what the laws of the permanent and temporary
homes are. Or safety reasons, when the country of which one is a
non-citizen but legal immigrant is less safe than the original country,
and that original passport is a safety line.

Immigration and emigration is a fascinating phenomenom, and much more
complex than the usual assumptions about people moving to more
desireable countries and staying permanently would indicate. I've known
people who immigrated for purely financial reasons, always intending to
retire to their home country. In the end, some of them do return and some
don't, often, it seems, depending on what the next generation is doing and
where they are living. And some are fleeing such horrible situations they
never want to go back, and get citizenship ASAP.

Congratulations to Kat!

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Irulan - 27 Jan 2006 02:33 GMT
Congratulations! I remember my citizenship swearing in day, I was very
happy. You will be too. :)
Lily & her mama

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> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!
Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 03:21 GMT
>Congratulations! I remember my citizenship swearing in day, I was very
>happy. You will be too. :)
>Lily & her mama

Thanks Lily! That's a very long way away still... but it's closer than
it was last week :)

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Sam - 27 Jan 2006 04:25 GMT
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Congratulations, Karen!

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Adrian - 27 Jan 2006 10:06 GMT
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Congratulations, Karen, I'm very happy for you. I hope you're posting here
in five years as a US citizen. :-)
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sgallagher@rogers.com - 27 Jan 2006 13:14 GMT
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Is your husband a US citizen?  The reason I ask is that if that's the
case you won't have to wait five years before applying for US
citizenship.

Permanent residents who are married to US citizens need to have held
permanent resident status for a total of three years.  While it's true
that your first two years in the US will have conditional permanent
resident status, my understanding is that they will still count toward
the three year requirement.  You do have to apply for the conditional
status to be lifted at the end of two years.

Additionally, you may hear from some people that the US does not allow
dual citizenship.  That isn't true, although the US naturalization oath
does have a statement of renunciation.  It's just that many countries,
including Australia (at least since a few years back), do not view that
statement as having any legal effect under their laws.  So, you're
correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after
naturalizing in the US.  You will have to deal with the US as a US
citizen, and likewise Australia would expect you to leave and enter
Australia with an Australian passport.
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2006 14:47 GMT
> statement as having any legal effect under their laws.  So, you're
> correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after
> naturalizing in the US.  You will have to deal with the US as a US
> citizen, and likewise Australia would expect you to leave and enter
> Australia with an Australian passport.

In Mexico it's a bit different. By accepting another country's
citizenship, you do lose your mexican citizenship, but not your
nationality. Mexico legally makes the distinction between nationals and
citizens. A mexican national is someone born in Mexico or to at least
one mexican parent. This status allows you to travel freely in and out
of the country, buy property, get jobs, and a few other rights I don't
quite remember. Now, in order to be a citizen, you have to be a mexican
national, 18 years of age and have an honest way of living (I guess our
politicians are technically not citizens?). Citizenship allows you to
vote and be candidate for elections. I'm pretty sure that's the only
extra right you get with citizenship, so I don't mind losing mine when I
become a US citizen. I want to vote at home, and Austin is my home.

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Jane - 27 Jan 2006 18:24 GMT
>quite remember. Now, in order to be a citizen, you have to be a mexican
>national, 18 years of age and have an honest way of living (I guess our
>politicians are technically not citizens?). Citizenship allows you to

ROFL!!  Some of us are even doubtful that they're human.

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Jo Firey - 28 Jan 2006 00:27 GMT
>> statement as having any legal effect under their laws.  So, you're
>> correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> right you get with citizenship, so I don't mind losing mine when I become
> a US citizen. I want to vote at home, and Austin is my home.

That makes a lot of sense.

Jo
John F. Eldredge - 28 Jan 2006 15:04 GMT
>> statement as having any legal effect under their laws.  So, you're
>> correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>extra right you get with citizenship, so I don't mind losing mine when I
>become a US citizen. I want to vote at home, and Austin is my home.

My maternal grandfather was born in Canada, but emigrated to the USA
as a child, and married a native-born American woman in 1914.  Neither
of them knew at the time that she automatically lost her US
citizenship as a result of the marriage.  An American man who had
married a foreign wife, on the other hand, would not have lost his
citizenship.  Apparently the American law assumed that the wife would
automatically be granted citizenship by her husband's country, which
was not the case with Canada.  My grandfather served as a US Army
chaplain here in the USA during World War II, then was posted to
Germany shortly after the war.  When my grandmother applied for a
passport so she could go with him, she learned that she was stateless.
Special papers had to be issued to insure that she would be allowed
back into the USA after leaving it.  The two of them finally became
naturalized US citizens around 1950.

That particular law, removing the citizenship of an American woman who
marries a foreign national, is no longer on the books as far as I
know.

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Jo Firey - 28 Jan 2006 17:56 GMT
"John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> wrote in message >
> My maternal grandfather was born in Canada, but emigrated to the USA
> as a child, and married a native-born American woman in 1914.  Neither
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> marries a foreign national, is no longer on the books as far as I
> know.

My grandparents were in nearly the same situation at about the same time.
Though Grandpa was from Newfoundland.

Only difference was Grandma was well aware of the situation and it really
ticked her off.  She didn't much appreciate that her children were not
considered US Citizens either.

I still get confused as to which relatives are citizens where and which ones
live in which country.  They tend to wander back and forth across the
US/Canada border as though it doesn't exist.

Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 28 Jan 2006 18:16 GMT
<snip>
> I still get confused as to which relatives are citizens where and which ones
> live in which country.  They tend to wander back and forth across the
> US/Canada border as though it doesn't exist.

My family's cross border too - and I was the one who got stuck under the
old laws on nationality. I'd always assumed I was dual citizen,
emphasis on the Canadian bit - my mother is Canadian, I'd lived in Canada
since I was 3 months old - but I couldn't get a Canadian passport! I
wasn't *born* Canadian - I was born American - and my parents were
married, still alive, and un-divorced, which meant that my nationality
was determined through my American father. My mother's nationality was
irrelevant. I was also a few years underage - that was before they
reduced age of majority to 18 or 19 in many places - so I couldn't act on
my own behalf. The experience gave me a great respect for the level of
complication found in citizenship law, but fortunately, modernization of
the law has meant that someone in my situation today wouldn't find
themselves having to track down an American consul and dig up old
paperwork in order to get a passport.

It was a *really* good thing I tried to get my passport well before I was
due to leave on the trip!

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Wayne Mitchell - 27 Jan 2006 14:03 GMT
>Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove
>conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one,
>and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then
>I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
>deal with the Immigration people ever again!

I'm glad you've cleared one hurdle and have a good view toward
the finish line, Karen.  And I'm thoroughly disgusted and
downright PO'd that you, or anyone else, has to go through all
that bullsh*t.

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Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2006 14:42 GMT
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please

Yay!!! Congratulations!!!

> and they'll have to let me back into the country! Of course the first

Although, technically, they can still deny you admission. :(

> Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove
> conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one,
> and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then

That's weird. I've never heard of a temporary green card. I guess it's
because you applied through marriage? They want to be sure it's for real? :)
Anyhow, my green card came in September of 2004, after about 4 years of
starting a process that usually takes 16 months.
Another perk of the green card is that at the airport, you go the US
citizens and residents line, not the foreigners line. It's usually
faster. :)

> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Well, you still have to go through immigration when you fly into the
country. :)

Congratulations again!!!!

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Charleen Welton - 27 Jan 2006 16:55 GMT
>> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
>> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please

Congratulations Karen!  This is wonderful, we're so happy for you.
Charleen and the furry threesome.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 28 Jan 2006 02:23 GMT
>> Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove
>> conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one,
>> and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then
>
>That's weird. I've never heard of a temporary green card. I guess it's
>because you applied through marriage? They want to be sure it's for real? :)

That's right... if you marry a USC and apply for a greencard they give
you a conditional one if you've been married for less than two years,
just in case you were only in it for the card... and of course it lets
them charge another fat fee :(

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Kreisleriana - 27 Jan 2006 15:48 GMT
>Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
>were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
>deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Woohoo!  Great news, Karen.  What status are the kitties? ;)

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Marina - 28 Jan 2006 04:12 GMT
> Woohoo!  Great news, Karen.  What status are the kitties? ;)

They're legal aliens. ;o)

Congratulations, Karen! It's been a long road, but you're getting there.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 27 Jan 2006 17:36 GMT
>Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
>were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
>deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Congratulations Karen!!!

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polonca12000 - 27 Jan 2006 22:04 GMT
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!

Congrats on the greencard, Karen! I haven't realized it's already been
13 months since you got married, time sure flies!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
badwilson - 29 Jan 2006 06:06 GMT
Congratulations, Karen!  I know how good it feels.  I'm still so happy
that we got our Aussie permanent residency.  Dennis and I will be
applying for citizenship ASAP :-)
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> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we
> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to
> deal with the Immigration people ever again!
 
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