Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2006
Purrs of thanks!
|
|
Thread rating:  |
Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 01:31 GMT Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please and they'll have to let me back into the country! Of course the first words out of my mother's mouth when I told her were 'when are you coming home to visit'? Not for awhile, though I might change my mind come midsummer when the temperature hits 95 and the humidity matches it... Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one, and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to deal with the Immigration people ever again!
 Signature ~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit
Yoj - 27 Jan 2006 01:54 GMT > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Congratulations! I am always happy when someone who moves to another country wants to become a citizen. I know several people who don't, and I can't understand it.
JOy
Enfilade - 27 Jan 2006 02:18 GMT > > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > > were engaged, I got my greencard! > > Congratulations! I am always happy when someone who moves to another > country wants to become a citizen. I know several people who don't, and I > can't understand it. Congratulations on your green card! Where were you originally from?
We may move to the US for Dylan to do a medical fellowship in 5-8 years from now, but I would not give up my Canadian citizenship even if we stayed in the US long term....I would always be wanting to eventually come home, I think. I would have to really feel like the new country was my *fixed home*, not just somewhere I happened to be living, to change my citizenship.
--Fil
Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 03:21 GMT >> > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we >> > were engaged, I got my greencard! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >was my *fixed home*, not just somewhere I happened to be living, to >change my citizenship. At this point we have no plans to go back to Australia to live... and I like it here in Florida. So the US IS my permanent home. And fortunately, Australia allows dual citizenship so I don't have to give anything up to become American. :) If I couldn't be Australian AND American I'd have to think much harder and longer and I don't know what I'd decide...
 Signature ~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit
badwilson - 29 Jan 2006 06:05 GMT >>> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we >>> were engaged, I got my greencard! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Fil I had to give up my German citizenship to become Canadian. Of course I was only 13 and didn't really care and I don't plan on ever going to Germany to live. Dennis and I are going to apply for Australian citizenship as soon as absolutely possible (2 years after starting to live there permanently although I've heard they are changing it to 4 years). But we are also keeping our Canadian citizenship at the same time. Wouldn't give that up.
 Signature Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 03:19 GMT >Congratulations! I am always happy when someone who moves to another >country wants to become a citizen. I know several people who don't, and I >can't understand it. Actually, the only reason I really want citizenship is because once I get that piece of paper in my hands, I can never be hassled by the immigration people ever again! And we can come and go freely should we choose, without worrying about re-entry permits and how long we've been gone and whether it constitutes abandoning my status as a greencard holder... The greencard gives one level of security from harassment, but citizenship is much better because it's permanent.
 Signature ~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2006 14:44 GMT > Congratulations! I am always happy when someone who moves to another > country wants to become a citizen. I know several people who don't, and I > can't understand it. I've always been very ambivalent about it. Imagine how it feels to pledge allegiance to a country different from the one you grew up in. It's gotta be hard! I do plan on becoming a citizen, cuz I'm sick and tired of paying taxes and not being able to vote! What ever happened to no taxation without representation? :)
 Signature Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com
Jo Firey - 28 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT >> Congratulations! I am always happy when someone who moves to another >> country wants to become a citizen. I know several people who don't, and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and not being able to vote! What ever happened to no taxation without > representation? :) Laughing. Elected officials do supposedly represent us all. Even those who cannot vote or do not vote. Even those who voted against them.
And I do understand your ambivalence. Both my father and my daughter are citizens by choice rather than by birth.
Then again so are most everyone's ancestors in the USA.
Are you in a position where you could have dual citizenship? I really don't understand how that works.
Jo
Victor Martinez - 28 Jan 2006 06:15 GMT > Laughing. Elected officials do supposedly represent us all. Even those who > cannot vote or do not vote. Even those who voted against them. Well, I do nag my "representatives" in Congress about issues I care about. They mostly ignore me, cuz they're republican. :(
> Are you in a position where you could have dual citizenship? I really don't > understand how that works. I can't have dual citizenship because the laws of Mexico prevent it. I will be able to have US citizenship and Mexican nationality in the future. Many other countries don't make the distinction between citizenship and nationality. They just say "once you've been one us, you can't renounce that". :)
 Signature Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com
Wayne Mitchell - 28 Jan 2006 03:06 GMT >I do plan on becoming a citizen, cuz I'm sick and tired of paying taxes >and not being able to vote! What ever happened to no taxation without >representation? :) Exactly. My version of an immigration interview would go like this:
So, you new here? Got a place to live? Okay, fill in your name and address on this card so you can be registered, and then we'll see you at the polls.
 Signature Wayne M (indulged by Will and Heidi)
Cheryl Perkins - 27 Jan 2006 15:09 GMT > Congratulations! I am always happy when someone who moves to another > country wants to become a citizen. I know several people who don't, and I > can't understand it. In my experience, it usually has something to do with level of loyalty and committment to the new and the old country. As long as taking an oath to a new country feels like a betrayal of the old, it won't (and shouldn't) be done. That covers a *lot* of people in highly mobile professions or married to those who move a lot. They're in a country to work or study or to be with family who are working or studying there, and don't plan to stay permanently (although some do end up doing so). Sometimes there are legal reasons, depending on what the laws of the permanent and temporary homes are. Or safety reasons, when the country of which one is a non-citizen but legal immigrant is less safe than the original country, and that original passport is a safety line.
Immigration and emigration is a fascinating phenomenom, and much more complex than the usual assumptions about people moving to more desireable countries and staying permanently would indicate. I've known people who immigrated for purely financial reasons, always intending to retire to their home country. In the end, some of them do return and some don't, often, it seems, depending on what the next generation is doing and where they are living. And some are fleeing such horrible situations they never want to go back, and get citizenship ASAP.
Congratulations to Kat!
 Signature Cheryl
Irulan - 27 Jan 2006 02:33 GMT Congratulations! I remember my citizenship swearing in day, I was very happy. You will be too. :) Lily & her mama
 Signature Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Karen AKA Kajikit - 27 Jan 2006 03:21 GMT >Congratulations! I remember my citizenship swearing in day, I was very >happy. You will be too. :) >Lily & her mama Thanks Lily! That's a very long way away still... but it's closer than it was last week :)
 Signature ~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit
Sam - 27 Jan 2006 04:25 GMT > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Congratulations, Karen!
 Signature Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Adrian - 27 Jan 2006 10:06 GMT > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Congratulations, Karen, I'm very happy for you. I hope you're posting here in five years as a US citizen. :-)
 Signature Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk
sgallagher@rogers.com - 27 Jan 2006 13:14 GMT > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Is your husband a US citizen? The reason I ask is that if that's the case you won't have to wait five years before applying for US citizenship.
Permanent residents who are married to US citizens need to have held permanent resident status for a total of three years. While it's true that your first two years in the US will have conditional permanent resident status, my understanding is that they will still count toward the three year requirement. You do have to apply for the conditional status to be lifted at the end of two years.
Additionally, you may hear from some people that the US does not allow dual citizenship. That isn't true, although the US naturalization oath does have a statement of renunciation. It's just that many countries, including Australia (at least since a few years back), do not view that statement as having any legal effect under their laws. So, you're correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after naturalizing in the US. You will have to deal with the US as a US citizen, and likewise Australia would expect you to leave and enter Australia with an Australian passport.
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2006 14:47 GMT > statement as having any legal effect under their laws. So, you're > correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after > naturalizing in the US. You will have to deal with the US as a US > citizen, and likewise Australia would expect you to leave and enter > Australia with an Australian passport. In Mexico it's a bit different. By accepting another country's citizenship, you do lose your mexican citizenship, but not your nationality. Mexico legally makes the distinction between nationals and citizens. A mexican national is someone born in Mexico or to at least one mexican parent. This status allows you to travel freely in and out of the country, buy property, get jobs, and a few other rights I don't quite remember. Now, in order to be a citizen, you have to be a mexican national, 18 years of age and have an honest way of living (I guess our politicians are technically not citizens?). Citizenship allows you to vote and be candidate for elections. I'm pretty sure that's the only extra right you get with citizenship, so I don't mind losing mine when I become a US citizen. I want to vote at home, and Austin is my home.
 Signature Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com
Jane - 27 Jan 2006 18:24 GMT >quite remember. Now, in order to be a citizen, you have to be a mexican >national, 18 years of age and have an honest way of living (I guess our >politicians are technically not citizens?). Citizenship allows you to ROFL!! Some of us are even doubtful that they're human.
Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita
Jo Firey - 28 Jan 2006 00:27 GMT >> statement as having any legal effect under their laws. So, you're >> correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > right you get with citizenship, so I don't mind losing mine when I become > a US citizen. I want to vote at home, and Austin is my home. That makes a lot of sense.
Jo
John F. Eldredge - 28 Jan 2006 15:04 GMT >> statement as having any legal effect under their laws. So, you're >> correct that you will still have your Australian citizenship after [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >extra right you get with citizenship, so I don't mind losing mine when I >become a US citizen. I want to vote at home, and Austin is my home. My maternal grandfather was born in Canada, but emigrated to the USA as a child, and married a native-born American woman in 1914. Neither of them knew at the time that she automatically lost her US citizenship as a result of the marriage. An American man who had married a foreign wife, on the other hand, would not have lost his citizenship. Apparently the American law assumed that the wife would automatically be granted citizenship by her husband's country, which was not the case with Canada. My grandfather served as a US Army chaplain here in the USA during World War II, then was posted to Germany shortly after the war. When my grandmother applied for a passport so she could go with him, she learned that she was stateless. Special papers had to be issued to insure that she would be allowed back into the USA after leaving it. The two of them finally became naturalized US citizens around 1950.
That particular law, removing the citizenship of an American woman who marries a foreign national, is no longer on the books as far as I know.
 Signature John F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Jo Firey - 28 Jan 2006 17:56 GMT "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> wrote in message >
> My maternal grandfather was born in Canada, but emigrated to the USA > as a child, and married a native-born American woman in 1914. Neither [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > marries a foreign national, is no longer on the books as far as I > know. My grandparents were in nearly the same situation at about the same time. Though Grandpa was from Newfoundland.
Only difference was Grandma was well aware of the situation and it really ticked her off. She didn't much appreciate that her children were not considered US Citizens either.
I still get confused as to which relatives are citizens where and which ones live in which country. They tend to wander back and forth across the US/Canada border as though it doesn't exist.
Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 28 Jan 2006 18:16 GMT <snip>
> I still get confused as to which relatives are citizens where and which ones > live in which country. They tend to wander back and forth across the > US/Canada border as though it doesn't exist. My family's cross border too - and I was the one who got stuck under the old laws on nationality. I'd always assumed I was dual citizen, emphasis on the Canadian bit - my mother is Canadian, I'd lived in Canada since I was 3 months old - but I couldn't get a Canadian passport! I wasn't *born* Canadian - I was born American - and my parents were married, still alive, and un-divorced, which meant that my nationality was determined through my American father. My mother's nationality was irrelevant. I was also a few years underage - that was before they reduced age of majority to 18 or 19 in many places - so I couldn't act on my own behalf. The experience gave me a great respect for the level of complication found in citizenship law, but fortunately, modernization of the law has meant that someone in my situation today wouldn't find themselves having to track down an American consul and dig up old paperwork in order to get a passport.
It was a *really* good thing I tried to get my passport well before I was due to leave on the trip!
 Signature Cheryl
Wayne Mitchell - 27 Jan 2006 14:03 GMT >Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove >conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one, >and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then >I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to >deal with the Immigration people ever again! I'm glad you've cleared one hurdle and have a good view toward the finish line, Karen. And I'm thoroughly disgusted and downright PO'd that you, or anyone else, has to go through all that bullsh*t.
 Signature Wayne M.
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2006 14:42 GMT > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please Yay!!! Congratulations!!!
> and they'll have to let me back into the country! Of course the first Although, technically, they can still deny you admission. :(
> Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove > conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one, > and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then That's weird. I've never heard of a temporary green card. I guess it's because you applied through marriage? They want to be sure it's for real? :) Anyhow, my green card came in September of 2004, after about 4 years of starting a process that usually takes 16 months. Another perk of the green card is that at the airport, you go the US citizens and residents line, not the foreigners line. It's usually faster. :)
> I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Well, you still have to go through immigration when you fly into the country. :)
Congratulations again!!!!
 Signature Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com
Charleen Welton - 27 Jan 2006 16:55 GMT >> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we >> were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please Congratulations Karen! This is wonderful, we're so happy for you. Charleen and the furry threesome.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 28 Jan 2006 02:23 GMT >> Now I can start my countdown to citizenship... in two years I remove >> conditions and get a ten-year greencard instead of my temporary one, >> and three years after THAT I can apply for US citizenship, and then > >That's weird. I've never heard of a temporary green card. I guess it's >because you applied through marriage? They want to be sure it's for real? :) That's right... if you marry a USC and apply for a greencard they give you a conditional one if you've been married for less than two years, just in case you were only in it for the card... and of course it lets them charge another fat fee :(
 Signature ~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit
Kreisleriana - 27 Jan 2006 15:48 GMT >Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we >were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to >deal with the Immigration people ever again! Woohoo! Great news, Karen. What status are the kitties? ;)
Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Make Levees, Not War
Marina - 28 Jan 2006 04:12 GMT > Woohoo! Great news, Karen. What status are the kitties? ;) They're legal aliens. ;o)
Congratulations, Karen! It's been a long road, but you're getting there.
 Signature Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 27 Jan 2006 17:36 GMT >Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we >were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to >deal with the Immigration people ever again! Congratulations Karen!!!
Ginger-lyn
Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website)
polonca12000 - 27 Jan 2006 22:04 GMT > Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again! Congrats on the greencard, Karen! I haven't realized it's already been 13 months since you got married, time sure flies! Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek
badwilson - 29 Jan 2006 06:06 GMT Congratulations, Karen! I know how good it feels. I'm still so happy that we got our Aussie permanent residency. Dennis and I will be applying for citizenship ASAP :-)
 Signature Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
> Thirteen months after we got married, and almost six YEARS after we > were engaged, I got my greencard! Now I can come and go as I please [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'll get to know that I can live here forever without ever having to > deal with the Immigration people ever again!
|
|
|