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sriddles@aol.com - 21 Jan 2006 15:29 GMT
I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
The truck's engine completely lost compression. I assume that is a bad
thing. It's an expensive thing for sure. I just don't get it. It's not
that old of a truck, maybe 3 years or so. The transmission has already
gone out too. I think he got a lemon. So we're driving the old farm
truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
Sherry
Irulan - 21 Jan 2006 17:04 GMT
aw, purrs that the vehicle can recover at not much expense.
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>I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
> dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
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> truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
> Sherry
Adrian - 21 Jan 2006 18:37 GMT
> I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
> dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
> Sherry

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Karen - 21 Jan 2006 21:16 GMT
> I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
> dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
> Sherry

Hope you still have a warrenty if it is only 3!!!
Gandalf - 22 Jan 2006 01:54 GMT
>I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
>dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
>Sherry

Hmm..... 'Completely lost compression'? Very odd, and very rare in a
newer vehicle. The only thing that could cause a loss of compression so
severe that the engine stops running is either a loss of a great deal of
oil, or almost complete or total failure of the oil pump, resulting is
insufficient lubrication to the cylinders. Both are very rare, unless
you had the oil changed recently, and either the oil drain plug was
leaking, or the oil filter was improperly installed.

Unfortunately, many major oil changing chains employ people with little
or no training. Putting the wrong oil filter on the vehicle, of failing
to sufficiently tighten the filter or drain plug is the most common
cause of oil starvation in a newer vehicle. I once changed my oil, and
when I removed the old oil filter, the old gasket stayed on the engine
block, and when I put the new one on, it didn't seal well, and as soon
as I started the engine, and checked the oil filter for leaks (which NO
oil change places do, BTW) I saw it was leaking. Not really badly, but I
would have probably lost two quarts in a week or two; 50% of the total,
and it would have done the same thing to my car as it did to your truck.
Because I did the work myself, and checked for leaks, I caught it
immediately, which is why I try to all of my own maintenance and as much
repair work as possible, myself.

I would ask the dealership to diagnose the cause of the oil starvation,
and see if you can trace it to a recent oil change. You may be able to
recover the cost of a replacement engine, or complete engine rebuild,
with the help of the dealership. Unless the dealership changed the oil
of course, in which case they will simply lie to you, unfortunately.

I purchased a new vehicle which came with free oil changes performed by
the dealership for as long as I owned the car. After the very first oil
change, the following morning, when I backed the car out of my garage, I
saw a huge pool of oil on the floor. I immediately stopped the engine,
and checked the oil. It didn't even register on the dipstick. The oil
filter was leaking oil copiously; it had never been tightened.

That was the one and only time in over 30 years of owning cars when I
let somebody else change my oil.

Unfortunately, the 'idiot light' for oil pressure comes on at such a low
pressure, it's usually just a warning that you need a new engine.

And unfortunately, that is likely the case. And while I tend not to
trust dealerships, they have likely given you an accurate diagnosis. At
least as far as very low compression.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but pursue the 'bad oil change' as a
cause for the problem, as that is 99.8% likely the cause.

Best  wishes, and best of luck.
sriddles@aol.com - 22 Jan 2006 03:50 GMT
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but pursue the 'bad oil change' as a
> cause for the problem, as that is 99.8% likely the cause.
>
> Best  wishes, and best of luck.

Thanks for the info. DH always changes the oil. He's very
conscientious, I know it has been done properly. He says the idiot
lights didn't even come on. I don't know about the warranty yet. It has
a 36,000 mi. warranty and has 36,800 miles on it. :-( Now they ought to
honor that warranty, but I guess it's up to them. They're supposed to
take the thing apart on Monday and be able to tell us more what is
going on with it.  The transmission went completely out on it before it
had 3,000 miles on it. I think he ought to get rid of the thing as soon
as it's fixed, I'm afraid now that it is out of warranty it's just
going to be a money pit.
Sherry
dnr - 22 Jan 2006 04:05 GMT
>> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but pursue the 'bad oil change' as a
>> cause for the problem, as that is 99.8% likely the cause.
>>
>> Best  wishes, and best of luck.
 The transmission went completely out on it before it
> had 3,000 miles on it. I think he ought to get rid of the thing as soon
> as it's fixed, I'm afraid now that it is out of warranty it's just
> going to be a money pit.
> Sherry
Gandalf's right about the "idiot light" as a warning: by the time you
see that, it's usually pretty much *over*. But check your paperwork
on the vehicle: most major American-made warranties (not the ones
you pay extra to have coverage for so many years) but what is known
as the "factory warranty" lasts for much, much longer period of time.
Ask DH to check with the *factory* (800-# for where vehicle was
turned out @ factory: Detroit, Dearborn, wherever for "drive train"
warranty.
Gandalf - 22 Jan 2006 04:23 GMT
>> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but pursue the 'bad oil change' as a
>> cause for the problem, as that is 99.8% likely the cause.
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>going to be a money pit.
>Sherry

Given that it's that close to the end of the warranty, most dealerships
will honor the warranty. I mean, it's only 800 miles over! If they
don't, start working your way up the chain of the manufacturer's factory
reps: Zone Manager, etc. It should be covered.

And while the depreciation at 3 years is going to be rather bad, I agree
that if you can afford it, I'd recommend getting rid of the vehicle.

A rebuilt auto transmission won't last as long as one that never had
problems, of course.

You may be able to use as some leverage the transmission failure, as I'm
sure you were without the use of the vehicle for a period of time.

It's hard to have any trust in a vehicle that's had so many really major
problems in such a short time and mileage.

Again, best of luck, and my sympathies, as well.
Cheryl Sellner - 22 Jan 2006 05:21 GMT
> Unfortunately, many major oil changing chains employ people with
> little or no training.

Isn't that the truth. The first time I had my former vehicle's oil
changed at one of those "quick" places, they broke the cable for the
hood lift and either didn't know, or didn't tell me. I found out when
my son needed a jump start for his old car and the hood wouldn't pop.
Those quick places are convenient, but risky most of the time. Now
with my new truck I go to the dealer, but I'm there for at least two
hours because you can't make an appoinment.

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-L. - 22 Jan 2006 08:27 GMT
> > Unfortunately, many major oil changing chains employ people with
> > little or no training.
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> with my new truck I go to the dealer, but I'm there for at least two
> hours because you can't make an appoinment.

That's insane that you can't make an appointment.  Is that for all
services or only oil changes?

I had a quick change place strip the bolt on my oil pan, and strip the
nut in the pan it screws into, on my Volvo.  When I brought it in, I
specifically asked them if they had metric tools because all of the
parts were metric *including the bolt that drains the oil pan* - they
swore they did.  So I let them change the oil, they used a non-metric
tool, torqued the sh.t out of the bolt, bent the nut, and that day my
oil leaked completely out, on a trip from Chicago to DesMoines.  When I
pulled into town, my oil light was on - I immediately knew what they
had done.  Good thing I made it home; had the leak been worse I would
have been stranded in Buttville, Iowa in the middle of winter.
Bastards.  Had to replace the entire oil pan and associated parts to
the tune of about $350 (nothing on that car was cheap).  Most expensive
*routine maintenence* I've ever had.

-L.
polonca12000 - 22 Jan 2006 11:21 GMT
> I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
> dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
> Sherry

Lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 22 Jan 2006 20:44 GMT
>I just had to go rescue DH whose truck broke down. (In front of the
>dealership, was that lucky or what) They just called with the verdict.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>truck, which is quite a sight, LOL. But at least it is dependable.
>Sherry

Purrs for Good Vehicle Luck for you and DH, Sherry.

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