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Now I'm worrying about Greenies

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Jan 2006 00:51 GMT
The warning was for dogs, but I have this little package of Feline
Greenies that one of my catsitting clients gave me recently. Just
yesterday, I thought I'd try them out on my crew. I did hesitate a
moment before opening the package, thinking about the Diamond food
scare, but then dismissed those thoughts as paranoia. My kitties
loved them, and I gave them each about 5 or 6. And now this! :(

For the dogs who were affected, how long did it take between ingestion
and illness/death? I'm wondering when I can stop worrying about it. Or
whether I even need to worry about it at all with cats, since there are
no complaints about the feline version.

Thanks,
Joyce
NMR - 18 Jan 2006 01:03 GMT
> Joyce

Are you hearing voices yet, think or feels as if some one is watching you.
If you are there is medication for that  but in other words
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING PARANOID IF YOU ARE A PARENT IT IS OUR RIGHT
TO WORRY AND MAKE A FUSS
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Jan 2006 01:12 GMT
> Are you hearing voices yet, think or feels as if some one is watching you.
> If you are there is medication for that  but in other words
> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING PARANOID IF YOU ARE A PARENT IT IS OUR
> RIGHT TO WORRY AND MAKE A FUSS

Right now I'm more interested in reassurance that my furkids are going
to be OK than I am in being reassured about my sanity. :)

Joyce
Dan M - 18 Jan 2006 01:36 GMT
> For the dogs who were affected, how long did it take between ingestion
> and illness/death? I'm wondering when I can stop worrying about it. Or
> whether I even need to worry about it at all with cats, since there are
> no complaints about the feline version.

The reviews I found reported first symptoms as early as an hour and a half
later to as long as a day later. If your babies are showing no symptoms by
tomorrow I'd say they'll be fine.

And, more importantly, ALL of the deaths I found reported were dogs. I
found no reports of cats being harmed by Greenies.

I sure do understand your concern, but I'd be very surprised if your
furkids experience any harm from them.

Dan
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Jan 2006 02:25 GMT
> If your babies are showing no symptoms by tomorrow I'd say they'll
> be fine.
>
> And, more importantly, ALL of the deaths I found reported were dogs.
> I found no reports of cats being harmed by Greenies.

Thanks for the reply! All of them seem fine as of now. But I'm going to
throw the Greenies out anyway - why take any more chances?

Joyce
Karen AKA Kajikit - 18 Jan 2006 02:42 GMT
>The warning was for dogs, but I have this little package of Feline
>Greenies that one of my catsitting clients gave me recently. Just
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>whether I even need to worry about it at all with cats, since there are
>no complaints about the feline version.

We got a free package of feline greenies and I wasn't sure whether it
was safe to give them to the girls... but John opened the pack and
handed them over. Scouty chomped hers up into tiny little pieces, but
Silver inhaled them! I'm pretty sure they're okay though... they're
pretty tiny little things.

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Yowie - 18 Jan 2006 20:30 GMT
> The warning was for dogs, but I have this little package of Feline
> Greenies that one of my catsitting clients gave me recently. Just
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> whether I even need to worry about it at all with cats, since there are
> no complaints about the feline version.

What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental activists,
but they don't tend to come in packages, and whilst often quite toxic, dont'
strike me as edible by cats.

Yowie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Jan 2006 22:42 GMT
> What the heck are greenies?

They're a (supposedly) teeth-cleaning doggie treat. There's also a
feline version.

> My first thought was environmental activists, but they don't tend
> to come in packages, and whilst often quite toxic, dont' strike me
> as edible by cats.

Guess it depends on the size of the cat. :) But I wouldn't consider an
environmentalist toxic, as their main concern is usually to *eliminate*
toxicity. Maybe you're thinking of PETA activists? :)

Joyce
Yowie - 19 Jan 2006 20:29 GMT
> > What the heck are greenies?
>
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> environmentalist toxic, as their main concern is usually to *eliminate*
> toxicity. Maybe you're thinking of PETA activists? :)

Like most zealots, the people I'd refer to as "greenies" are so emotionally
attached to their idea of an "ideal world" that they can be totally
irrational, unreasonable, obnoxious and even violent. Much like religious
nuts, extreme right or left wingers, or indeed PETA activists.... very toxic
indeed.

Yowie
sriddles@aol.com - 19 Jan 2006 00:08 GMT
> What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental activists,
> but they don't tend to come in packages, and whilst often quite toxic, dont'
> strike me as edible by cats.
>
> Yowie

I didn't even know they made Greenies for cats. I've seen the greenie
dog biscuits. I never bought any for Happy though. They're expensive,
and he was so picky I figured he wouldn't get them anyway. It was Dingo
Jerky for him or nothing at all. Anything else he just buried.

Sherry
Karen - 19 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT
>> What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental activists,
>> but they don't tend to come in packages, and whilst often quite toxic, dont'
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Jerky for him or nothing at all. Anything else he just buried.
> Sherry

DINGO jerky?
NMR - 19 Jan 2006 01:47 GMT
>>> What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental
>>> activists,
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>
> DINGO jerky?

Remember they are from down under  got to put everything to use :-)
Karen - 19 Jan 2006 03:27 GMT
>>>> What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental activists,
>>>> but they don't tend to come in packages, and whilst often quite toxic, dont'
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Remember they are from down under  got to put everything to use :-)

Sherry is from down under me in Oklahoma! Not too many dingos there :)
sriddles@aol.com - 19 Jan 2006 04:47 GMT
> >>> I didn't even know they made Greenies for cats. I've seen the greenie
> >>> dog biscuits. I never bought any for Happy though. They're expensive,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Sherry is from down under me in Oklahoma! Not too many dingos there :)

LOL. Dingo Jerky is like beef jerky, only it is made from chicken
BREAST meat only. Talk about the discerning dog. Dingo is the brand
name. They make other chew toys for dogs too. Happy LOVED dingo jerky.
It was about 5 bucks for a small package. We really rationed it :-)

Sherry
NMR - 19 Jan 2006 05:08 GMT
>>>>> What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental
>>>>> activists,
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>
> Sherry is from down under me in Oklahoma! Not too many dingos there :)

I hope you weren't thinking I was serious :-)
Kim - 21 Jan 2006 00:39 GMT
I got cat Greenies for Brio and she adored them BUT, I'm never getting them
again because they got her so bunged up she couldn't poop for over a day.
She was straining and straining and frightened cus her butt was so
uncomfortable that she was hiding under furniture and growling at me. Once
the stupid things finally passed she was back to her normal cheerful loving
silly self.

I wouldn't recommend greenies to anybody after that incident.

>>>>>> What the heck are greenies? My first thought was environmental
>>>>>> activists,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>
> I hope you weren't thinking I was serious :-)
whayface - 21 Jan 2006 01:44 GMT
>I got cat Greenies for Brio and she adored them BUT, I'm never getting them
>again because they got her so bunged up she couldn't poop for over a day.
>She was straining and straining and frightened cus her butt was so
>uncomfortable that she was hiding under furniture and growling at me. Once
>the stupid things finally passed she was back to her normal cheerful loving
>silly self.

There was an articles in the local paper about Greenies ( http://www.greenies.com/ ) and
the fact that when eaten they do not digest or whatever and that they have been numerous
cases where vets have had to operate to remove them because the animals could not pass
them!!!

Here are some articles about them from http://quikonnex.com/channel/item/15576

"I fed my Pomeranian greenies for about a year. Last Thursday night I gave her one (petite
size) . I found her on the floor about an hour later. She was already dead. The vet who
performed the Autopsy said that there was no way the chunk of greenie in her throat could
have been removed by me. I have since learned of a Doberman and a Golden that had
intestinal problems. Do not give these wretched things to your dog."

And here are a few more, in fact, the next ones were found online under customer reviews
for greenies products!

The following comments were listed on an online forum:

"Hi,

Michelle just posted about her dog throwing up a big piece of a greenie. I have seen on
other forums that they can choke and kill your dog. On their site, they do say to monitor
your dog so they don't gulp them, but they don't say what to do if your dog is choking on
one. I think they are some what irresponsible for not warning about that specifically.

To say to monitor your dog does not seem like enough of a warning, but of course they
don't want to say your dog can choke on them. They make it seem like they may just eat a
bigger chuck than they should, but don't mention the ramifications.

If you still want to give your dog greenies which are supposed to cut down on a dog's
tartar build up, then don't leave them alone with it. For me, I don't even want to risk my
dog getting it lodged in her throat. You really can't tell they are eating a big chunk
until after they do it. "

"

WARNING:
Green "toothbrush"-shaped dental chews prove deadly

It has taken me since Monday evening to write this message to you. That is the night that
our little 17-1/2 year old Chihuahua mix, Peanut, died as Dr. Bell and Dr. Iannone of
Evesham Vet Clinic worked valiantly to save her life. It was a death that never should
have happened, and I will forever have to live with knowing that because of what I did NOT
know, my wonderful little girl would lose her life. I only hope that this E-mail will save
the life of someone else's precious companion.

Peanut died after having swallowed a chunk of what is known as a "greenie". " Click here
for the whole story

These so called "treats" are touted as being "the Original Smart Treat for Dogs and Other
Pets". They are not looking so smart to more and more dog owners.

ingredients listed: processed wheat gluten, glycerin, natural flavor, powdered cellulose,
monosodium phosphate, monoglycerides of edible fatty acids, magnesium stearate and
chlorophyll.

So, what is so smart about that? The ingredients are pure junk and then not digestable on
top of that!

Let's face it, dogs can and often do choke on a lot of things including kibble but if we
know a product to be unsafe and that needs to only be given to our dogs under supervision,
the manufactor should have a warning label large enough to see and they sure should not be
advertised as a "smart treat". Please warn your friends.

Just my two cents worth! lol

Jeannie

Below is another article I found on http://www.snopes.com/ :

I have a warning to pass on with a story to tell of my own.....

On the way back from the Dobe National this year, I was walking one of the dogs at the
airport waiting for the owner to return our rental car when the dog decided to throw
up.....I was shocked to see a mass of green rubber-like material and immediately called
the owner. The mass looked like something you would see in the pad under a carpet. I was
assured the dog did not shred anything...and that the only thing the dog had been given to
eat recently was a "Greenie"...one of those formed green dog treats that look like a
toothbrush.....I couldn't believe one of those pressed dog treats would reconstitute into
what looked like a mass of foam rubber pieces!

Well, after getting home my friend did an experiment....cut up one of those things and
soaked it in water overnight....low and behold a mass of foam rubber crap! Certainly NOT
digestible! We both made a note to never feed those things again...and then last night in
the Seattle area the newscast did a piece on...you guessed it GREENIES! A whole story
about how dogs are DYING from blockages after eating those stupid things! Here is a link
to the article....turns out they are NOT 100% digestible....DUH!

SO PLEASE pass this info on....permission to cross post!!

Articles from
http://www.wrgb.com/iteam/investigation/investigation.asp?selection=article_43888

Greenies Dog Treats Pose Problems For Some Dogs

(Schenectady) — Imagine...you think you're giving your dog an all natural treat and then
you end up rushing him to the vet for emergency surgery.

Mary Jarvis is a Vet Tech at the Guilderland Animal Hospital. She almost lost her own
sweet Bull Terrior Harry, to this product which prides itself on being made of all natural
ingredients and claims to freshen dog's breath.

If you get a magnifying glass and read the tiny print on the package, you will find a
disclaimer suggesting that Greenies are best suited for small dogs that will chew on them
rather then larger dogs that are more likely to chomp and swallow.

But most dog owners don't see the fine print and are unaware of the danger that Greenies
may cause.

An X-ray revealed that a Greenie was lodged in poor Harry's esophagus making it impossible
for him to breath. An emergency veternarian was forced to perform surgery right away to
try to save Harry's life.

Dr. Michael Casler, a vet for the Guilderland Animal Hospital, still sells Greenies, but
he told CBS-6 that he is very selective and recommends that Greenies be given under the
supervision of the pet owner. Harry has since recovered well from surgery.
 
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