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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2006Ping: Catnipped
Hi, Lori You were asking for advice about breeding with Digger, I'm sorry, I can't find the thread now. I will come straight to the point for you to tell your daughter. Digger is long-haired. Rottweillers should *not* be long haired. Your daughter got him cheaply because of this. He is not suitable to be bred from. He is what we call over here "pet quality" and I usually endorse the registrations of any of my puppies that I don't think are of the finest quality "not to be bred from." and sell them at pet quality prices. I've never seen a Rottie with hair like Digger. I suspect one day, maybe a while back, a collie crept in there. If it were me, I would not breed from him. Honestly. Tell your daughter it's a bad idea. Tweed > Hi, Lori > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tweed Yes, I told her that because when we took him to the vet for his hurt paw the vet asked the same thing about him being mixed - she'd never seen a Rottie with long hair before either. I also told her what Lyn and some others said about the inadvisability of breeding him. She said she's going to have him neutered - I hope she's not blowing smoke up my skirts.  SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ ... I also told her what Lyn and some > others said about the inadvisability of breeding him. She said she's > going to have him neutered - I hope she's not blowing smoke up my skirts. Hugs, > CatNipped Lori, I hope your daughter does have Digger neutered as soon as possible. If she would spend some time volunteering at a shelter, she'd begin to understand that if she breeds Digger, some of his offspring could end up in a similar or worse place if the owners choose to renege on their responsibility. She also will see burden that rescuers, such as those who rescued Gypsy, undertake every ordinary day because of people who breed their animals as she has considered doing with Digger. If she would spend some time volunteering as I suggest, she'd also help pay her debt of gratitude that she owes. Good luck convincing her. Annie > ... I also told her what Lyn and some >> others said about the inadvisability of breeding him. She said she's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Good luck convincing her. > Annie Thanks. A lot of the problem - and the cause of the plight of animals after Katrina - is the mindset of the area. Don't ask me how I missed having it also - maybe it was part of my loathing of the city of my birth - but I didn't buy into the "backyard breeder" mentality that they have there. I'm trying to educate my daughter too, but I'm also fighting against her husband's beliefs (she was married at 19 so I left her the house in St. Bernard when I moved to Houston in 1991 instead of taking her with me as I would have liked to do). At least they don't believe in the dogfighting culture that is also part of that area! I have talked to her about how lucky she was to have people take care of Gypsy and provide food for Digger after the storm. I don't think she'll have time in the near future to volunteer at a shelter, though. She has to take care of three children, she's going back to nursing school, and she is rebuilding her home by hand (since her husband has to work a forty hour week, she's going to be doing most of the rebuilding by herself - including climbing onto her roof to tear off the old slates and put on a new roof). SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ ... I don't think she'll > have time in the near future to volunteer at a shelter, though. She has > to take care of three children, she's going back to nursing school, and > she is rebuilding her home by hand (since her husband has to work a forty > hour week, she's going to be doing most of the rebuilding by herself - > including climbing onto her roof to tear off the old slates and put on a > new roof). Hugs, > CatNipped I hope your daughter is careful up there on that roof and wish her much success in nursing school. There is a big demand for nurses now. She is taking on a big load and it's understandable that she would not have time now to volunteer anywhere. But, she could keep it in mind, and I hope that if she has any thoughts about breeding Digger, that she will first make it a point to find the time to see the results of such decisions and how it is to take on someone else's responsibility. Meanwhile, I'll ask Cinder and Rosie to send some encouraging purrs and I'll keep your family in my prayers. Annie >> I've never seen a Rottie with hair like Digger. I suspect one day, maybe >> a while back, a collie crept in there. If it were me, I would not breed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > others said about the inadvisability of breeding him. She said she's > going to have him neutered - I hope she's not blowing smoke up my skirts. You might also tell her that Rottweillers are prone to hip dysplasia and before they should be bred from, they should be x-rayed to get a hip score, this costs megabucks as they need to be anaesthetised for it. The bottom line is, Digger is a lovely nice-natured pet but he is not of sufficient quality (breed-wise) to be bred from and she really shouldn't consider it. That is not to say that she necessarily needs to have him neutered. I am not in favour of wholesale neutering of male dogs, I have never found it necessary myself. Tweed >>> I've never seen a Rottie with hair like Digger. I suspect one day, >>> maybe a while back, a collie crept in there. If it were me, I [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Tweed That's something I've learned today, I knew German Shepards were prone to hip dysplasia, but I didn't know Rottweillers were as well. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>> I've never seen a Rottie with hair like Digger. I suspect one day, >>>> maybe a while back, a collie crept in there. If it were me, I [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > hip dysplasia, > but I didn't know Rottweillers were as well. http://www.gopetsamerica.com/rottweiler/rottweiler.aspx >>>> I've never seen a Rottie with hair like Digger. I suspect one day, >>>> maybe a while back, a collie crept in there. If it were me, I [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > hip dysplasia, > but I didn't know Rottweillers were as well. cocker spaniels too I believe. > cocker spaniels too I believe. Actually most of the "large breeds" are, as well - Goldens, Labs, GSD, St. Bernards, etc. -L. > That's something I've learned today, I knew German Shepards were > prone to hip dysplasia, but I didn't know Rottweillers were as well. I think most large dogs have a tendency toward hip problems. Labs certainly do. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > I think most large dogs have a tendency toward hip problems. Labs > certainly do. Not just big dogs. Years ago a schoolfriend of mine had to have her mother and daughter Cavalier King Charles spaniels put down on the same day for that problem Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message >> You might also tell her that Rottweillers are prone to hip dysplasia and > before they should be bred from, they should be x-rayed to get a hip score, > this costs megabucks as they need to be anaesthetised for it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tweed>> Also, a responsible breeder should offer to take back any of her pups if the owner at any time in the future has to rehome it. Alison >> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message >>> You might also tell her that Rottweillers are prone to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > at any time in the future has to rehome it. > Alison Oh, absolutely. I always offered this, fortunately I only had to do it once when a wonderful owner who lived alone was knocked off his bike by a lorry and killed. By this time my "puppy" was 7 years old but the extended family remembered my promise and got back in touch. I was able to find him a great home with an elderly couple who had recently lost their old whippet and were afraid a puppy might outlive them. They all lived happily ever after. Breeding puppies is a great responsibility as you have caused them to be born. I hate it when some people think "oh, my dog cost me x amount as a puppy, lets say 400 hundred pounds, maybe when she gets older I can breed from her and if she has 8 puppies that will make me a lot of money..and I know someone who has a male dog of the same breed just up the road." That's where you can get big trouble with genetic defects in dog breeds that have them. Tweed >>> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> You might also tell her that Rottweillers are prone to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Tweed Bad as those people are, it pales into insigficance compared to puppy farms. :-( SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>> this costs megabucks as they need to be anaesthetised for >>> it. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Bad as those people are, it pales into insigficance compared to >puppy > farms. :-( Hasn't that pretty well been stopped now here? The Kennel Club will not now register puppies from a bitch under a certain age, has been bred from at two seasons in succession or is over 7 years old, which makes "pedigree" puppies from a puppy farm virtually worthless. Tweed >>>>> this costs megabucks as they need to be anaesthetised for >>>> it. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Tweed I wish it had been stopped, unfortunately it still goes on, often the puppies are sold with false papers. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>>> this costs megabucks as they need to be anaesthetised for >>>> it. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Tweed They tried to do that stateside with something called Farm Bill 2000. It basically covered many animal issues, bear baiting, rooster fighting, dog fights... livestock health and puppy mills. They wanted to make every licensed breeder available for federal standards. The bitch had to be over a year old, no two litters within 18 months etc and on top of it limiting the number of breeding pairs. The bill was knocked down though, oddly enough the AKC fought against it. > They tried to do that stateside with something called Farm Bill 2000. It > basically covered many animal issues, bear baiting, rooster fighting, dog [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The bill was knocked down though, oddly enough the AKC fought against it. One rule I didn't understand the need for is the one limiting litters to one in 18 months. The advice our vet gave us was to wait till the dog was two years old to breed, since we always had very small litters like two pups it didn't seem to wear her down at all. Vet recommended that we breed in her case on every cycle (five litters, 10 puppies) and then have her spayed . She was in great health the entire time and retired at five. How often to have a litter has more to do with the age and health of the bitch and the size of the litter she has and her ability to care for them. It also varies by breed. For that particular rule I think they are unnecessarily taking decisions out of the hands of the people that know the dogs best. Jo >> They tried to do that stateside with something called Farm Bill 2000. It >> basically covered many animal issues, bear baiting, rooster fighting, dog [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jo I read it as you can have two litters within an 18 month period but no more. Not one litter every 18 months. I agreed with it because unlimited breeding would allow the puppy mills to wean much too early in order to breed the bitch again. I'm not a breeder but the idea of keeping a dog constantly pregnant or nursing with just enough time to go into heat before she starts over is too much. Grace > Breeding puppies is a great responsibility as you have caused them to be > born. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tweed It can also get you into serious financial straits when there are only one or two puppies and a caesarian is required and then one pup needs knee surgery at four weeks, etc. I truly doubt that anyone actually makes money breeding dogs. (I should add up what we've spent on Kayla in the six weeks we've had her in addition to her purchase price. Crate, exercise pen, vet, toys, food, more toys, things to chew, more toys, weekly poop clean up service, grooming stuff, collars, leashes, classes, etc...) Jo > Yes, I told her that because when we took him to the vet for his hurt paw > the vet asked the same thing about him being mixed - she'd never seen a > Rottie with long hair before either. I also told her what Lyn and some > others said about the inadvisability of breeding him. She said she's > going to have him neutered - I hope she's not blowing smoke up my skirts. Sounds like your daughter knows my daughter. Tell Mom anything and do as you please. Oh well, it does keep the peace for the most part. Since so many of us worried about Gypsy and Digger for so long, I guess we feel a little invested in them. I can tell you feel a lot invested in them for not intending to be a d*g person. Jo |
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