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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2006Hobo's Dental - Update
Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of antibiotic capsules, he was taken in at 8:00 a.m., right at the beginning of a severe thunderstorm. Made for a great driving experience. We left him there and waited for the call to come get him. We got a call about noon all right. Because Hobo is elderly and diabetic, the vet did some preliminary testing before administering the anesthetic. Unfortunately, Hobo got a double whammy. Not only diabetes but his kidneys are failing. So no anesthetic and no dental work. His diet has been a high-protein diabetes-management food which is now history - to be controlled only by his insulin - and placed on a kidney-management diet. Which he's not eating too well. Poor old guy has to face a battle on two fronts. And we are beside ourselves. Good old Friday the 13th!!! Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. Jeanne > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne I'm so sorry to hear that, Jeanne. Poor Hobo. How old is he? Sending purrs that the kidney management diet will give him lots more time with you and that the diabetes can be controlled well enough with insulin.  SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >I'm so sorry to hear that, Jeanne. Poor Hobo. How old is he? Thank you, Britta. Hobo is not *old* but is a bit elderly - he'll be 14 in a couple of months. We're hoping we can manage these diseases with the least stress on him. He's such a stoic he looks and acts the same, sick or well. We'll keep him closely monitored. Thanks again for your good wishes. Jeanne >Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. >He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and >I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. Purrs on the way SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and > I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. "Help Hobo" purrs en route Gordon & the FF >"Help Hobo" purrs en route Received!! We're using them as "for Pete's sake, *eat* this stuff, Hobo" purrs. Thanks. Jeanne > Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and > I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. Lots of purrs for Hobo to take to the kidney food and start feeling better pronto. Too bad about the teeth. Purrs for his worried family, too. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >Lots of purrs for Hobo to take to the kidney food and start feeling >better pronto. Too bad about the teeth. Purrs for his worried family, too. We appreciate the purrs, Marina. Hobo has always been a good eater and it's sad to see him go to his food bowl, take a sniff or a bite or two, then walk away. Hoping in due time he'll take a liking to it. *Soon*!!!.... The teeth part is a minor concern we'll deal with later. Thanks, again. Jeanne > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne Purrs on the way. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > Poor old >guy has to face a battle on two fronts. And we are beside ourselves. >Good old Friday the 13th!!! > >Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and >I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. So sorry he wasn't able to get his teeth fixed up. We'll send purrs for good response to insulin and fluids, along with some special good-appetite purrs. SignatureWayne, with special purrformances by Will and Heidi >So sorry he wasn't able to get his teeth fixed up. We'll send >purrs for good response to insulin and fluids, along with some >special good-appetite purrs. Thank you, and Will and Heidi. The teeth-fixing is the least of our worries at this point, but the purrs for his health are gratefully received. Jeanne > Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and > I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. > > Jeanne Fingers and paws crossed and 5 cats purring up a storm. Helen M "JBHajos" <jbhajos@earthlunk.not> wrote in message >news:43c8c796.53625091@news.east.earthlink.net > > Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and > I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. > > Jeanne Poor Hobo. Purrs are on the way that Hobo will soon learn to like his new food and that he will have many more years left to rule your household. Purrs and Hugs, Nan and the furkids A wise man talks because he has something to say; a fool talks because he has to say something. >Poor Hobo. Purrs are on the way that Hobo will soon learn to like his >new food and that he will have many more years left to rule your >household. Thank you *so* much. "Ruling the household" is the perfect description of Hobo's place in our lives. We'll do our best to keep him here as many years as possible! Jeanne >Fingers and paws crossed and 5 cats purring up a storm. Oh, my!! That's a bunch of purrs and the kind of storm we like to see blowing in!! I'm sure they'll help a lot. Thank you all. Jeanne > Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, and > I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. Lots and lots of purrs. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >Lots and lots of purrs. Thank you much. Purrs times seven equal a formidable barrier against disaster and Hobo will be much better for it. Jeanne Purrs and prayers for dear Hobo. Lily & her mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne >Purrs and prayers for dear Hobo. >Lily & her mama We, and Hobo, appreciate your concern and purrs. Thank you all. Jeanne > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne Poor Hobbes! Many purrs for things to calm down. >> Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. >> He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Poor Hobbes! Many purrs for things to calm down. I mean HOBO!! Yeesh. >Poor Hobbes! Many purrs for things to calm down. We appreciate the purrs. It's going to be a long haul but we hope it all gets stabilized soonest. Kind of a juggling act right now. The purrs will help us all. Thanks. Jeanne > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne Oh Jeanne, I'm so sorry to hear that. Purrs on the way that he'll rebound from this latest setback. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >Oh Jeanne, I'm so sorry to hear that. Purrs on the way that he'll rebound >from this latest setback. Thank you, Lori. Both of these diseases are chronic but if we can overcome at least *one* of them we'll be grateful. Still purring for Jessie. Hope all goes well. Jeanne >Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. >He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne Oh, Jeanne, I am so sorry. Purrs for Hobo that he feel better soon, and that you can get everything under control. CRF can be managed for a good long while if caught early enough. Purrs that this is the case with your baby. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) >Oh, Jeanne, I am so sorry. Purrs for Hobo that he feel better soon, >and that you can get everything under control. CRF can be managed for >a good long while if caught early enough. Purrs that this is the case >with your baby. Thank you so much - the purrs are bound to help. Hobo did receive a Sub-Q at the vet's Friday and she advised one a week would be enough at this point. He doesn't like his new diet but he *must* eat, not only for the CRF but he can't have his insulin unless he does. It's a bit of a tightrope for now but we're hoping he'll soon settle down. Hope all is well with you. Jeanne > Thanks for listening. Please keep your fingers crossed for him, > and I'm sure a purr or two would be helpful. Purrs for Hobo that his problems get under control soon! Hopefully he can have his dental when he's a little more stable. SignatureCheryl >Purrs for Hobo that his problems get under control soon! Hopefully he >can have his dental when he's a little more stable. Thank you, Cheryl. It's a little "weird" trying to treat Hobo for two different problems at the same time (as well as also treating Speckles for her hyperthyroidism) but we'll manage somehow, thanks to the kind purr-support from RPCAers like you. The dental work is not likely any time soon but we're giving him Greenies to help a bit. Jeanne Be careful with Greenies. My dog almost died from them. http://optimumchoices.com/Greenies.htm > Be careful with Greenies. My dog almost died from them. > http://optimumchoices.com/Greenies.htm Oh no - I just gave a bunch of those to my cats yesterday! Somebody I cat-sit for gave me a package of them. (The feline version, that is!) Joyce >Be careful with Greenies. My dog almost died from them. Thanks for the warning. We checked it out and the Greenies are now history. They may be just fine for cats but after all the horror stories, so many dogs dying, and lawsuits in the works, we won't take the chance that ours could be the first kitties. We're indebted to you for alerting us. Jeanne I'm sorry to hear it! It's hard to treat two different conditions when the treatments are in opposition. I hope you find a good compromise between the two. Are there complex carbs that a cat can eat? Those are better for a diabetic because they don't break down into sugar as quickly, so they don't overwhelm the system with sugars. Foods such as vegetables and whole grains are complex carbs. I've never tried feeding these foods to a cat, but the human diabetics I know get their carbs in this way, rather than with refined carbs or white rice, which are much more glycemic (turn into sugar quickly). I guess if a cat can supplement its meat with rice or potatoes, they could just as easily get some veggies into the mix, or brown rice. Or maybe he could chomp on grass more? Meanwhile, subq fluids would help a lot with the kidney failure. Purrs for getting all of it under control! Joyce >I'm sorry to hear it! It's hard to treat two different conditions >when the treatments are in opposition. I hope you find a good compromise >between the two. Are there complex carbs that a cat can eat? Gee, I don't know, Joyce, but will check into it. Hobo has had the diabetic's food for two years now - it's a Purina brand sold only through a vet and only certain vets stock it. Two years' worth of high protein wreaked havoc on his kidneys apparently so he's now on the kidney diet (also Purina) - the main product in both foods is liver. >Maybe he could chomp on grass more? Meanwhile, subq fluids would help a lot with >the kidney failure. He's an indoor-only cat and, unfortunately, I've never brought grass for him. Good idea, I'll get some. Right now we're giving him Greenies. Hobo did receive a Sub-Q at the vet's Friday and she recommends it once a week for the present. Thank you for the purrs and the good tips. Appreciate it. Jeanne > Well, it didn't happen. <snip> Not only > diabetes but his kidneys are failing. So no anesthetic and no dental [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeanne Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for insulin to work really well and for Hobo to discover that the new food is not as bad as it seemed at first, Polonca and Soncek >Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for insulin to work really well >and for Hobo to discover that the new food is not as bad as it seemed at >first, Thank you for your kind thoughts and the purrs. We've had several CRF kitties in the past - and they *all* hated the kidney diet! Wonder why that is? Hobo will condescend to eat a little - or starve - just enough so he can be given the insulin. No food, no insulin - so he *must* eat it. I'm sure it'll get easier in time. Jeanne >>Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for insulin to work really well >>and for Hobo to discover that the new food is not as bad as it seemed at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > starve - just enough so he can be given the insulin. No food, no > insulin - so he *must* eat it. I'm sure it'll get easier in time. Maybe you've tried it, maybe this is the food that Hobo hates, but Frank used to like Waltham's Renal wet food in pouches. It comes in two flavours: beef and chicken. I don't know if it's available on that side of the pond. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki Purrs for Hobo, and for you. SignatureJoy **Don't believe everything you think** > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne Poor Hobo! I'm sorry Jeanne. Sometimes you have to consider, too, whether changing his diet (if he's eating well on his old food) is worth it. I don't know how old Hobo is but maybe you can manage his kidney issues with sub-q fluids. I don't know -- I just remember how much my cat Frodo loved his food; he was diagnosed at 15 with kidney disease. I talked with my vet and we tried managing his kidney disease with fluid therapy. You're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place and I'm so sorry. Christine > Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. > He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne > Sometimes you have to consider, too, whether >changing his diet (if he's eating well on his old food) is worth it. Hobo *loves* his old food. Actually he probably over-ate. His only diet for two years. But if the high-protein content brought on the kidney problem, I'm scared to keep him on it. Sure would be nice if I could. >don't know how old Hobo is but maybe you can manage his kidney issues with >sub-q fluids. He will be 14 in a couple of months. Not really old but creeping up on elderly. He did receive a Sub-Q Friday at the vet's and she advised he'd probably need one once a week. He'll be retested first and we'll go on from there. How long did Frodo need them? Thank you for your kind thoughts. They are much appreciated. Jeanne > > Sometimes you have to consider, too, whether > >changing his diet (if he's eating well on his old food) is worth it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeanne Frodo was diagnosed at 15 and to me it was quite amazing but he did really well with the sub-q fluids and my husband and I both learned to give them to him on a daily basis (100 ml once a day). I had to get over my squeamishness at giving him the injection but when I saw how much better he felt (and I think he knew it, too) afterwards it was worth it. I always gave him a special treat after his fluids, too. He was on them for 5 years and lived to be 3 weeks short of 21. Another older kitty we had, Shetra, was diagnosed also at 15 and did well on daily sub-q therapy for 2 years. hth, Christine >Frodo was diagnosed at 15 and to me it was quite amazing but he did really >well with the sub-q fluids and my husband and I both learned to give them to >him on a daily basis (100 ml once a day). Wow! Once a day?? For five years??? That *is* truly amazing. I'm so glad he could stay with you that long. I hope Hobo can do as well. I don't think I could ever do the IV thing. I tried it with our kitty, Custard, several years ago and gave up. Took her to the vet three times a week for her Sub-Q. She only lived a year more but then she was 18 when she started, already pretty old. Maybe if she'd had a daily treatment she could have lived longer but.... Thanks for the input. Jeanne > Wow! Once a day?? For five years??? That *is* truly amazing. I'm > so glad he could stay with you that long. I hope Hobo can do as well. I had a cat who lived 5 years getting subq fluids. Diagnosed at 16, lived to 21. But we didn't give her the fluids every day. In fact, sometimes we went several months in between treatments, depending on how she seemed. Her health would fluctuate. The most frequent treatments were 2-3 times a week. Joyce :: Well, it didn't happen. Of *course* yesterday was Friday the 13th. :: He was scheduled for a teeth cleaning and after his three days of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: :: Jeanne A sackful of purrs for Hobo to be comfortable. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe > only by his insulin - and placed on a kidney-management diet. Which > he's not eating too well. Poor old guy has to face a battle on two > fronts. And we are beside ourselves. Good old Friday the 13th!!! I'm so sorry to hear this. Many purrs for Hobo. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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