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Yoj - 11 Jan 2006 21:00 GMT
A couple of months ago I posted, asking for suggestions for a gift to send
an Englishman.  Someone suggested an indoor/outdoor thermometer.  I bought
one, and it was a big success.  He has mentioned it many times.  After I had
wrapped it, I realized that we use Fahrenheit and they use Centigrade.
After Christmas I mentioned that in an email, saying I hoped he knew a good
way of converting.  He responded that, not only is there a button on the
thermometer to switch back and forth, but he grew up with Fahrenheit and is
more comfortable with that.

Anyway, thanks to whoever made the suggestion.

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Christina Websell - 11 Jan 2006 21:44 GMT
>A couple of months ago I posted, asking for suggestions for a gift to send
> an Englishman.  Someone suggested an indoor/outdoor thermometer.  I bought
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>
> Anyway, thanks to whoever made the suggestion.

It was me and I'm so glad they liked it.
I also grew up with fahrenheit as a child.  I know how hot 80f is.  Hot!
I'm in some sort of zone where I can sort of understand both F & C.  I like
to have upper temperatures told to me in fahrenheit.  I can't quite
visualise how warm, or not, is 12C.
However I can visualise easily how cold is -1C,  just a film of ice on the
chicken drinkers.  -5C-7C I have to chip out the ice with a screwdriver and
my fingers stick to anything metal like bolts and gates.

Tweed
Debbie Wilson - 11 Jan 2006 21:51 GMT
> It was me and I'm so glad they liked it.
> I also grew up with fahrenheit as a child.  I know how hot 80f is.  Hot!
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> chicken drinkers.  -5C-7C I have to chip out the ice with a screwdriver and
> my fingers stick to anything metal like bolts and gates.

Isn't that weird - I am exactly the same. Cold temps from about 10 deg C
downwards and hot from 60 deg F upwards. Grew up with both, being a
child of the 70s-80s :-)

Deb.

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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 11 Jan 2006 22:00 GMT
I don't "do" centigrade, or metres or kilograms for that matter, I'm a
strictly pre-decimal girl, apart from money that is!  I have to change
the settings on the computer at work back into inches if I'm not at my
own desk and when I get weighed at the docs I have to ask him to
translate, I'm useless!

Marcia
Yoj - 12 Jan 2006 00:22 GMT
> I don't "do" centigrade, or metres or kilograms for that matter, I'm a
> strictly pre-decimal girl, apart from money that is!  I have to change
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>
> Marcia

When I was in high school, my chemistry teacher told us that the metric
system was the only sensible one, and that we'd be switched to it within 10
years.  That was over 50 years ago, and although a few signs show distances
or speeds in both kilometers and miles, we are nowhere near being on the
metric system.

I was taught an easy way to translate Centigrade into Fahrenheit in my head
on my first visit from England.  Double the Centigrade reading, subtract 10%
and add 32.  It works.  It isn't really complicated if you just think of it
one step at a time.  I'm not so good at translating the other direction,
though.  I know a meter is a little over 3 yards (about 39 inches) and a
kilometer is 5/8 of a mile, so I can sort of manage those.  However, weights
have me completely flummoxed.  I know about stones, but tell me what you (or
I) weigh in kilograms and I haven't the foggiest idea what that means.

Joy
Jane - 12 Jan 2006 14:18 GMT
>When I was in high school, my chemistry teacher told us that the metric
>system was the only sensible one, and that we'd be switched to it within 10
>years.  That was over 50 years ago, and although a few signs show distances
>or speeds in both kilometers and miles, we are nowhere near being on the
>metric system.

ROFL!  They told US the same thing in high school, 30 years ago.
My goodness, that 10 years is taking a long time to pass! I wish my
body parts were aging that slowly.

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Christine K. - 12 Jan 2006 15:39 GMT
> though.  I know a meter is a little over 3 yards (about 39 inches) and a
<snips on both sides>

A meter is a little over 3 *feet*, not yards. A yard is about 90
centimeters.

I don't do temps in F without my self-made conversion list, am fairly
useless in other imperial measures too. I do know that a pound is about
half a kilo, which gives me a ball park estimate of weights in lbs, but
ounces and cups and sticks and such... on no!

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Tish Silberbauer - 12 Jan 2006 22:09 GMT
>> though.  I know a meter is a little over 3 yards (about 39 inches) and a
><snips on both sides>
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>half a kilo, which gives me a ball park estimate of weights in lbs, but
>ounces and cups and sticks and such... on no!

I'm a bit like you Christina - I can do ball-park estimates of
conversions between imperial and metric weights and distance measures.
I haven't got the hang of F to C conversions (I think in C), except
for 0 C = 32 F and 100F = about 39C.  Oddly, I think of people's
height in feet and inches, rather than metres and cm and I used to
think of people's weight in stones and ounces, although that changed
when we got a kg scale.

I mainly do imperial - metric weight conversions when I'm cooking and
trying, for example, to follow an Elizabeth David recipe (where all
the weights are imperial).  BTW, does anyone here know what a "gill"
is and what it translates to in metric?  I gather it's a liquid
measure, but I'm stumped as to how much it actually us!

Cheers,
Tish
Dan M - 12 Jan 2006 22:23 GMT
> I mainly do imperial - metric weight conversions when I'm cooking and
> trying, for example, to follow an Elizabeth David recipe (where all
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> Cheers,
> Tish

4 fluid ounces. From Wikipedia:
Liquid volume

   * 1 minim (min) = 1/480 fl oz (approx 61.612 µL)
   * 1 fluid dram (fl dr) = 1/8 fl oz = 60 min (approx 3.697 mL)
   * 1 fluid ounce (fl oz) = 1/128 gal = 8 fl dr (approx 29.574 mL)
   * 1 gill (gi) = 7.21875 cu in = 4 fl oz (approx  118.294 mL)
   * 1 cup = 2 gi = 8 fl oz (approx 236.588 mL)
   * 1 pint (pt) = 2 cups = 4 gi = 16 fl oz (approx 473.176 mL)
   * 1 fifth = 25.6 fl oz (approx 757.082 mL)
   * 1 quart (qt) = 2 pt = 32 fl oz (approx 946.353 mL)
   * 1 gallon (gal) = 231 cu in = 4 qt = 128 fl oz = 3.785411784 L
Tish Silberbauer - 13 Jan 2006 02:41 GMT
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Many thanks Dan!  

Cheers,
Tish

>> I mainly do imperial - metric weight conversions when I'm cooking and
>> trying, for example, to follow an Elizabeth David recipe (where all
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>    * 1 quart (qt) = 2 pt = 32 fl oz (approx 946.353 mL)
>    * 1 gallon (gal) = 231 cu in = 4 qt = 128 fl oz = 3.785411784 L
Adrian - 13 Jan 2006 12:03 GMT
>> I mainly do imperial - metric weight conversions when I'm cooking and
>> trying, for example, to follow an Elizabeth David recipe (where all
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>     * 1 quart (qt) = 2 pt = 32 fl oz (approx 946.353 mL)
>     * 1 gallon (gal) = 231 cu in = 4 qt = 128 fl oz = 3.785411784 L

Just to complicate things a little more, liquid measures, pints and gallons
are different in the US than the UK. Maybe it would be better if everyone
used the same system. ;-)
Also an english pint is 20 fl. ozs. while an american pint is 16 fl. ozs.

* 1 fluid ounce (US) = 1.040842 fluid ounce (UK)
* 1 pint (US) = 0.8326742 pint (UK)
* 1 gallon (US) = 0.8326738 gallon (UK)

Also an english pint is 20 fl. ozs. while an american pint is 16 fl. ozs.
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Yoj - 12 Jan 2006 22:54 GMT
> >> though.  I know a meter is a little over 3 yards (about 39 inches) and a
> ><snips on both sides>
> >
> >A meter is a little over 3 *feet*, not yards. A yard is about 90
> >centimeters.

I knew that.  I just goofed. I meant to say either 3 feet or a yard.

> >I don't do temps in F without my self-made conversion list, am fairly
> >useless in other imperial measures too. I do know that a pound is about
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> Cheers,
> Tish
Christina Websell - 14 Jan 2006 23:24 GMT
> I mainly do imperial - metric weight conversions when I'm cooking and
> trying, for example, to follow an Elizabeth David recipe (where all
> the weights are imperial).  BTW, does anyone here know what a "gill"
> is and what it translates to in metric?  I gather it's a liquid
> measure, but I'm stumped as to how much it actually us!

A gill is a quarter of a pint, 5 fluid ounces, 0.142 litres.

Tweed
Adrian - 15 Jan 2006 11:26 GMT
>> I mainly do imperial - metric weight conversions when I'm cooking and
>> trying, for example, to follow an Elizabeth David recipe (where all
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>
> Tweed

Which is only 4.8 US fluid ounces, I find it more difficult when measures
have the same name for different quantities. ;o)
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wafflycat - 15 Jan 2006 11:44 GMT
> Which is only 4.8 US fluid ounces, I find it more difficult when measures
> have the same name for different quantities. ;o)

You beat me to it. USA pints are 16 fluid ounces as opposed to our 20 fluid
ounces, IIRC

Cheers, helen s
Adrian - 15 Jan 2006 12:31 GMT
>> Which is only 4.8 US fluid ounces, I find it more difficult when
>> measures have the same name for different quantities. ;o)
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>
> Cheers, helen s

And even a fluid ounce is slightly different in both countries, a USA fluid
ounce is 1.040842 Imperial fluid ounces. Confused anyone? ;o)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 11 Jan 2006 22:00 GMT
> It was me and I'm so glad they liked it.  I also grew up with
> fahrenheit as a child.  I know how hot 80f is.  Hot!  I'm in some
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> -5C-7C I have to chip out the ice with a screwdriver and my fingers
> stick to anything metal like bolts and gates.

I'm definitely confused by Celcius, but I don't think 80F is hot!  I
grew up in the Washington, DC area, where summer temps are routinely 95+F
(and feel even hotter with the intense humidity), and here in the
front range of Colorado, 90+F summer highs are also pretty normal.

On a day with an 80F high, I still might wear a long sleeve shirt.

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badwilson - 12 Jan 2006 03:10 GMT
>> It was me and I'm so glad they liked it.  I also grew up with
>> fahrenheit as a child.  I know how hot 80f is.  Hot!  I'm in some
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>
> On a day with an 80F high, I still might wear a long sleeve shirt.

I was going to say the same thing.  I don't know Fahrenheit, but using
Julie's handy dandy xmas card insert, I see that it's 26C.  That's not
hot!  At all!  I would be wearing jeans and a t-shirt.  35C is normal
here, that's 95F.  That's hot.
Speaking of metric vs. imperial, I'm metric all the way except for
weights, I have to have in lbs and people's heights too.  Strange,
because I grew up in Germany until I was 10, but then in Canada after
that.  I guess I just got used to having people say they weigh 130 lbs
and are 5 foot 6 tall or whatever!
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pat.norton@iname.com - 12 Jan 2006 12:06 GMT
>I don't know Fahrenheit, but using Julie's
>handy dandy xmas card insert, I see that it's 26C

Or you could use the built-in Google converter. Just do a 'search' for:
80 f

It assumes that you want metric but can convert the other way. Try
entering:
350 grams in ounces

All is explained at the 'More about calculator' link that appears below
the answer.

Those 35 and 72 ounce packs in US supermarkets make more sense when you
realise it is a round metric weight (the metric weight will be on the
label anyway).
Marina - 12 Jan 2006 06:13 GMT
> I'm definitely confused by Celcius

But it's so simple and logical! O C is the temperature at which water
freezes, at 100 C water boils. Normal human temperature is around 36.5.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 12 Jan 2006 15:30 GMT
>> I'm definitely confused by Celcius
>
> But it's so simple and logical! O C is the temperature at which
> water freezes, at 100 C water boils. Normal human temperature is
> around 36.5.

Sure, 0 and 100 are easy.  Except that water boils at a much lower
temp here at altitude (takes forever to make noodles).  It's the other
numbers that just don't 'gel' for me!

Today the high will be 36F, or 2C.  Tonight's low will be 17F, or -8C.

In a typical year here in Boulder, there will be a few days when the
high is about 8F, or -13C, and the low ... well, you don't want to
know!

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 11 Jan 2006 23:04 GMT
> I also grew up with fahrenheit as a child.  I know how hot 80f is.  Hot!
> I'm in some sort of zone where I can sort of understand both F & C.

Is this an age thing? That is, is it mostly older people in the UK who
grew up using the Fahrenheit scale, who are still more comfortable with
it? Someone else mentioned that she's more comfortable with inches than
centimeters, too. I imagine that younger people who grew up after you
adopted metric units would be more comfy with those. When was the change?
In the 70s? That's when the US tried to make the same change, which, as
you know, failed.

The only metric units I have a visceral sense of are meters (I know
they're slightly more than a standard yard, at 39 inches), and kilometers
(about 6/10 of a mile). I did a 10km walk to raise money for AIDS research
and care, etc., a few years ago, and it was about 6 miles. Because I
actually walked that walk, I have a good sense of what 10km feels like.

And I remember in the 70s, walking to work on summer mornings (in Boston,
Mass), and having the digital temp read 18C. This was at about 8 AM, so
it was still cool and comfortable. So I can relate to the concept of 18C
without having to convert first. (But if you said it was, say 9C, I would
have to convert to know what that really means, because I don't have an
automatic association with that.)

Joyce
Adrian - 12 Jan 2006 10:50 GMT
>  > I also grew up with fahrenheit as a child.  I know how hot 80f is.
>  Hot! > I'm in some sort of zone where I can sort of understand both
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>
> Joyce

I don't think it's just older people, when I here children talking about
weights and measures they use the same units as their parents. Still usually
imperial.
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Yoj - 12 Jan 2006 00:22 GMT
> >A couple of months ago I posted, asking for suggestions for a gift to send
> > an Englishman.  Someone suggested an indoor/outdoor thermometer.  I bought
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>
> Tweed

Obviously you live in a cool climate, if you think of 80F as hot.  In
Southern California, it's warm enough to be slightly uncomfortable, but not
warm enough to be considered hot.  In Alaska, where my mother lives, 75F if
hot.

Joy
Christina Websell - 12 Jan 2006 17:32 GMT
> Obviously you live in a cool climate, if you think of 80F as hot.

I live in England.  I prefer to think of it as a temperate climate ;-)  We
rarely get extreme highs or lows so we aren't used to it.  80F is pretty hot
here,  I like it at about 72!  The highest temperature I've ever known where
I live is 95F (for one day only) and the lowest -16C for two days.

See, I am still doing the F above freezing and the C below!  I can visualise
it better like that.

 >In
> Southern California, it's warm enough to be slightly uncomfortable, but
> not
> warm enough to be considered hot.  In Alaska, where my mother lives, 75F
> if
> hot.

It's all relative.  I went to Germany to visit my friend Nüle in August 2003
and I nearly fried, it was in the mid 90's every day.  I wondered if they
were having a heatwave, but apparently not, it's normal.
OTOH their winters are dire.  Up neck in snow for months.  There were posts
on the side of the roads every few yards with fluorescent markings on.  On
one side the markings were spots, and on the other side, diagonal lines.  I
asked what they were for.
"Oh, they are so you know where you are on the road when we have winter.."
said N.
One time when she was here, we had snow.  It's a really big deal here and it
was on the TV news, it always is, even though we get some every year we act
like we are surprised by it and traffic slows almost to a standstill.
Well, she just laughed and laughed at the thought that snow was a newsworthy
item.

I suspected that your British friend would like a minimum/maximum
thermometer.  We Brits are obsessive about weather because it's hardly the
same from one day to another and it's a huge topic of conversation.  In
Germany, apparently they describe a bore as "someone who likes to talk about
the weather" but I've had to alert N to the fact that for a Brit, it's
compulsory!
Rains a lot, though here though..mud, mud, mud here at present. Cat
footprints everywhere.  Windowsills, chair throws, floors all have muddy cat
prints on.  Can't be helped.  I cleaned up yesterday.  Pointless until the
weather improves.

Tweed
Adrian - 12 Jan 2006 10:41 GMT
> A couple of months ago I posted, asking for suggestions for a gift to
> send an Englishman.  Someone suggested an indoor/outdoor thermometer.
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>
> Anyway, thanks to whoever made the suggestion.

Officially we use Celcius/Centigrade, but the majority of people in England
still think in Farenheit.
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