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-L. - 10 Jan 2006 05:20 GMT
cybercat is toast.

This is clearly unconstitutional but that means nothing nowadays....if
this doesn't get the f.cker impeached, I don't know what will.

-L.

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http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
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By Declan McCullagh

Published: January 9, 2006, 4:00 AM PST

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a
prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying
e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a
blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for
small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of
Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and
Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include
stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv
Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.
"What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet,
you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to
originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are
transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without
disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or
harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined
under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit
called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone
harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without
disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania
Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an
unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan:
to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the
measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by
voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House
approved in September had radically different wording. It was
reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive
computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely
annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write
something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors
wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring
pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants
to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without
worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed.
That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department
won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting
prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site,
says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane
postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein
said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States
Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that
outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But
the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so
Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday.
"I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple
point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something
that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court
Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a
1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing
anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited
government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he
signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he
felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton
realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related
material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the
Justice Department not to enforce it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans'
personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the
occasion.

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cybercat - 10 Jan 2006 05:44 GMT
> cybercat is toast.

Oh, the irony. But of course, Lynnie the witless will not get it.

> This is clearly unconstitutional but that means nothing nowadays....if
> this doesn't get the f.cker impeached, I don't know what will.
>
> -L.
>
> ***paste***

http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
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> By Declan McCullagh
>
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sriddles@aol.com - 10 Jan 2006 05:53 GMT
> cybercat is toast.
>
> This is clearly unconstitutional but that means nothing nowadays....if
> this doesn't get the f.cker impeached, I don't know what will.
>
> -L.

*Very* interesting. And I hate it. I've never posted under socks, but
it's the word "annoy" that bugs me. I think the wording should be
stronger.
Hard to tell whether cybercat annoys anyone or not. I never see anyone
reply to her, so it's difficult to tell.

Sherry
cybercat - 10 Jan 2006 05:59 GMT
> > cybercat is toast.
> >
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>
> Sherry

Your killfile is your friend, friend, Sherry. Unlike your memory.
NMR - 10 Jan 2006 06:39 GMT
The first time that this law is called into effect it will be throw out of
court or will be challenged for be unconstitional.  In the US there is some
thing called the first amendment guarantees the freedom of speech.
How are they going to regulate this there is no way to.  Do you know how
easy it is to hide your ISP even from professionals trackers.
   I can understand if an message was harmful emotional or had intent to
harm a person.
 But as the writer said who determines what is annoying.    People find
Barry annoying I have no problem with him.   think he is a trip
I can't wait till some celebrity or represenitives gets nailed and see how
fast it gets changed.

Matthew
-L. - 10 Jan 2006 06:09 GMT
> > cybercat is toast.
> >
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>
> Sherry

The whole thing is just stupid - another attack on personal rights.  I
think people out to have the backbone to post under their real names
and ISPs (those who don't are cowards), but forcing them to with some
stupid law doesn't really serve any purpose.
-L.
Adrian - 10 Jan 2006 17:09 GMT
> *Very* interesting. And I hate it. I've never posted under socks, but
> it's the word "annoy" that bugs me. I think the wording should be
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>
> Sherry

Probably the reason you don't see replys, is most people have killfiled her.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
A House is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

-L. - 10 Jan 2006 20:04 GMT
> Probably the reason you don't see replys, is most people have killfiled her.

No, Honey, it's because nobody is replying to her.
-L.
Karen - 11 Jan 2006 02:42 GMT
>> *Very* interesting. And I hate it. I've never posted under socks, but
>> it's the word "annoy" that bugs me. I think the wording should be
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>
> Probably the reason you don't see replys, is most people have killfiled her.

That would be correct.
Nomen Nescio - 10 Jan 2006 11:30 GMT
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From: "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com>

>This is clearly unconstitutional but that means nothing nowadays

Given: I always post through remailers
Given: Some people are annoyed by anything that
is posted through a remailer.
Therefore: This, and every post that I make, is a
criminal act.

This will never hold up against the 1st amendment.
But it brings us one step closer to the need to exercise
our 2nd amendment  rights to oust these clowns in
Washington.
Stock up on ammo, folks. The Second American
Revolution is closer than you think.
NMR - 10 Jan 2006 19:34 GMT
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> Stock up on ammo, folks. The Second American
> Revolution is closer than you think.

Remember unless you have a federal arms license to sell guns  you are only
allowed 1000 rounds total
Offbreed - 11 Jan 2006 00:05 GMT
> Remember unless you have a federal arms license to sell guns  you are only
> allowed 1000 rounds total

That might be a state law, but it is not federal.

(Drive by posting, hanging out at misc.survivalism)
Nomen Nescio - 11 Jan 2006 07:20 GMT
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From: "NMR" <haveyouplonkedatrolltoday@anti-troll.com>

>Remember unless you have a federal arms license to sell guns  you are only
>allowed 1000 rounds total

Hell, I've got more than that in my car. :)
CatNipped - 10 Jan 2006 14:03 GMT
> cybercat is toast.
>
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Oh gawd, when is Dubya going to realize that the United States is not the
be-all and end-all of the entire world.  Um, George, take a clue from the
fact that it's called the *WORLD* Wide Web!  There really are other
countries and other people who might want a say in this!  Doesn't he have a
clue how easy is it to get an ID with a Swedish (or other) ISP and have your
anonymous posts appear to originate from there?  How does Dubya propose to
control what Swedish companies do (What's that?  You say Sweden is
constructing weapons of mass destruction??!)
Signature


Hugs,

CatNipped

See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/

-L. - 10 Jan 2006 20:03 GMT
CatNipped wrote: How does Dubya propose to
> control what Swedish companies do (What's that?  You say Sweden is
> constructing weapons of mass destruction??!)

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Ok, you made me LOL!...
-L.
Offbreed - 11 Jan 2006 00:50 GMT
> This is clearly unconstitutional but that means nothing nowadays....if
> this doesn't get the f.cker impeached, I don't know what will.

> ***paste***
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>
> Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

Minimal research debunks your claims.

First, it was attached to a "Must Pass" bill related to Domestic
Violence, and we would be hearing screams he should be impeached had he
vetoed the bill because of this attachement.

Second, Bush does not have line item veto authority.

Third, it is other than most people believe.

Adequately discussed in the blogosphere:

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_01_08-2006_01_14.shtml#1136873535

(snip)

Skeptical readers will be shocked, shocked to know that the truth is
quite different. First, a little background. The new law amends 47
U.S.C. 223, the telecommunications harassment statute that goes back to
the Communications Act of 1934. For a long time, Section 223 has had a
provision prohibiting anonymous harassing speech using a telephone. 47
U.S.C. 223(a)(1)(C) states that

[whoever] makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications
device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without
disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or
harass any person at the called number or who receives the
communications . . . shall be [punished].

 Seems pretty broad, doesn't it? Well, there's a hook. It turns out
that the statute can only be used when prohibiting the speech would not
violate the First Amendment. If speech is protected by the First
Amendment, the statute is unconstitutional as applied and the
indictment must be dismissed. (snip)

 That brings us to the new law. The new law simply expands the old law
so that it applies to the Internet as well as the telephone network. It
does this by taking the old definition of "telecommunications device"
from 47 U.S.C. 223(h), which used to be telephone-specific, and
expanding it in this context to include "any device or software that
can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of
communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the
Internet."

(snip)

The formulation is a bit awkward. But the key point for our purposes is
that the law is not the "ridiculous" provision Declan imagines. It
looks funny if you don't know the relevant caselaw, but in practice it
simply takes the telephone harassment statute we've had for decades and
applies it to the Internet.

 UPDATE: Cal Lanier:

http://www.footballfansfortruth.us/archives/001318.html

takes a look, and concludes that this is just about making sure the
telephone harassment law applies to VOIP.
cybercat - 11 Jan 2006 01:14 GMT
> > This is clearly unconstitutional but that means nothing nowadays....if
> > this doesn't get the f.cker impeached, I don't know what will.
>
> > ***paste***

http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=news


> > By Declan McCullagh
> >
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> takes a look, and concludes that this is just about making sure the
> telephone harassment law applies to VOIP.

Thanks for the explanation. What this means is that people who take
Usenet to real life will be more liable to get into trouble than those they
would suppress. By sending emails to the employers, spouses, etc. of
those whose Usenet posts they do not like, they risk prosecution for
harrassment, just as those harrassing by telephone may.

It does not mean, as Pinhead Lynnie stated,  that people
who are merely expressing opinions in this global, unmoderated forum
may be prosecuted, and it certainly does not mean that they must post
their real names.

Leave it to Lyn to give us the idiot's eye-view of any given thing.

I think this might be of interest to Megan.

Freaks who turn themselves out trying to control the content of
Usenet might just want to be a leetle beet careful about how far
they will go to try to shut someone up.

:)
Offbreed - 11 Jan 2006 18:36 GMT
> Freaks who turn themselves out trying to control the content of
> Usenet might just want to be a leetle beet careful about how far
> they will go to try to shut someone up.

I was looking for information on something else when something
displayed in the Google search caught my eye and I came here to see
what the rest of the post said, so I don't know anything about the
person you mentioned. Bast knows we get enough trolls, kooks, net
nazis, and chain kissers over in ms.

I figure some types of netkooks and trolls are trying to control the
net, even as they scream about others trying to control what they say.

They think they have as much right to speak as everyone else put
together. If they shut down the net so no one can speak, they will be
right; a million times zero is zero.
 
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