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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2006Ping: NMR
Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've scrolled past your top-posts many times looking for what you have to say, only to realize oh that's right, it's at the top :) Jill > Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the > original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've > scrolled past your top-posts many times looking for what you have to > say, only to realize oh that's right, it's at the top :) > > Jill I don't know, Jill. A lot of people on this NG top post. I also do it occasionally, depending on what type of post I'm making. I never thought that it was a problem and that we are all pretty casual here.  SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > > Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the > > original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've > > scrolled past your top-posts many times looking for what you have to > > say, only to realize oh that's right, it's at the top :) > > > > Jill > I don't know, Jill. A lot of people on this NG top post. I also do it > occasionally, depending on what type of post I'm making. I never > thought that it was a problem and that we are all pretty casual here. Not to mention that he is not the only person here who top-posts. Joyce - who'd prefer to read a top-posted message over one that has 4 screenfuls of quoted text followed by "LOL!" > > jmcquown wrote: > > > Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Joyce - who'd prefer to read a top-posted message over one that has > 4 screenfuls of quoted text followed by "LOL!" I know other people top post but not consistently. As for the screens of quoted text, that's why I suggested trimming. I keep missing stuff because I immediately PgDn to the bottom to read a reply and then don't find it. It wasn't a criticism, merely a request :) Jill > I know other people top post but not consistently. As for the screens of > quoted text, that's why I suggested trimming. I keep missing stuff because > I immediately PgDn to the bottom to read a reply and then don't find it. It > wasn't a criticism, merely a request :) > > Jill well there's your answer when you get to Matts contribution STOP PAGING DOWN! have a bowl of oatmeal >> > > Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text >> from the > > original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I immediately PgDn to the bottom to read a reply and then don't find it. It > wasn't a criticism, merely a request :) Many people reply to several sections of a long post by interleafing their reply with the relevant comments. (And some of us mark out what we intended to delete, then hit "send" before we've used the "delete" key, so it all sends, anyway.) Also, if the original post isn't very long, or the "reply" is something like "LOL", it often makes better sense to post on top. > Jill > > I don't know, Jill. A lot of people on this NG top post. I also > > do it occasionally, depending on what type of post I'm making. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Joyce - who'd prefer to read a top-posted message over one that has > 4 screenfuls of quoted text followed by "LOL!" I'll just throw in my two cents here. In general, I prefer bottom (or interspersed) posting, but if someone wants to only add a line or two and doesn't want to snip, I'd rather they top post. I find top posting annoying, but not nearly as annoying as scrolling through pages of stuff I've already read just to find one or two lines. Ideally, everyone would trim down to the relevant parts, but as others have mentioned, this group has always been more tolerant of different posting styles than most groups. It's part of the culture here at rpca, and it makes the group less intimidating for those new to using newsgroups. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>> I don't know, Jill. A lot of people on this NG top post. I also >>> do it occasionally, depending on what type of post I'm making. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > interspersed) posting, but if someone wants to only add a line or two > and doesn't want to snip, I'd rather they top post. Yep, me too. > I find top posting annoying, but not nearly as annoying as scrolling > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rpca, and it makes the group less intimidating for those new to using > newsgroups. I totally agree, Monique. And I hope everyone realizes I'm not trying to play netcop here. Jill >> Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the >> original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've >> scrolled past your top-posts many times looking for what you have to >> say, only to realize oh that's right, it's at the top :) >I don't know, Jill. A lot of people on this NG top post. I also do it >occasionally, depending on what type of post I'm making. I never >thought that it was a problem and that we are all pretty casual here. Like Jill, I have trouble locating a top post, particularly if it is a one-liner. I always assume that one black line at the top is the attribution line. I probably only read one in ten of NMR's messages. For those who feel compelled to top post, I recommend more spacing -- at least one line above your contribution and at least two below. Bottom posting is, of course, the preferred method on Usenet. But if you leave a whole screen-full or more of the original post in your message, it hardly matters whether you top post or bottom post. My preference would be, if you can't be bothered to cut out the excessive quoted material, don't top post and don't bottom post -- just DON'T POST. My newsreader puts the quoted material in a different color from the new material. If I open a message and all I see is blue, I don't bother to go looking for the actual content. It isn't worth it. I just hit the <next> key. SignatureWayne M. > Bottom posting is, of course, the preferred method on Usenet. > But if you leave a whole screen-full or more of the original [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > don't bother to go looking for the actual content. It isn't > worth it. I just hit the <next> key. Really? I had always snipped messages to include just the comment I was answering, but a lot of people here think it's rude to snip posts (especially when you're in disagreement with someone because then you can be accused of selective editing to make the other person seem to say things they didn't mean). SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >> Bottom posting is, of course, the preferred method on Usenet. >> But if you leave a whole screen-full or more of the original [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> My newsreader puts the quoted material in a different color from >> the new material. (snippage) >> Wayne M. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can be accused of selective editing to make the other person seem to > say things they didn't mean). There's a difference between trimming and I usually indicated it by (snippage) like I did above (sorry, Wayne!) and changing the original post. The people you are referring to are the ones who just want to stir up trouble. It's easy enough to read back through the thread to find out what was snipped. Jill >>>Bottom posting is, of course, the preferred method on Usenet. >>>But if you leave a whole screen-full or more of the original [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > trouble. It's easy enough to read back through the thread to find out what > was snipped. Assuming you consider it worth bothering about! (I think most of us simply opt out of long, long threads which appear to have deteriorated into controversy.) > Jill > Really? I had always snipped messages to include just the comment I was > answering, but a lot of people here think it's rude to snip posts > (especially when you're in disagreement with someone because then you can be > accused of selective editing to make the other person seem to say things > they didn't mean). Hm. I usually trim all but 2 or 3 sentences/a paragraph...enough so people know what I'm replying to, but not enough so people have to page through screenfuls of stuff they've already read (that's what's most annoying to me, on my small screen at home....screen after screen of stuff I've already read) I can see how if I were replying to something controversial said by a specific person, how leaving the entire post intact might be tactful, but overall I don't think that's necessary in a casual conversation, so I hope nobody's insulted by my trimmage. (I remember when I first got here, I didn't quote at all, which was perfectly clear to me reading it on Google--I didn't realize how it would be really confusing to those who get RPCA in their inbox!) --Fil >Really? I had always snipped messages to include just the comment I was >answering, but a lot of people here think it's rude to snip posts >(especially when you're in disagreement with someone because then you can be >accused of selective editing to make the other person seem to say things >they didn't mean). Yes, someone will sometimes complain about what has been snipped, but that's mostly someone who is looking for something to complain about. For myself, if I find that someone has failed to include a part of one of my messages which I feel was pertinent, and then misinterpreted the rest out of context, I just go back and cut and paste the original into my clarifying reply. It doesn't happen very often, so it's far less important to me than reducing the amount of information I have to process per message. When one sometimes opens more than a thousand messages in a day, the per-message overhead counts up. Best practice is to indicate any snippage, but my feeling is that such a requirement just discourages people from excising the dross. Since I really want to encourage people to snip, I never cavil about how they do it. Usually I'm only referencing a line or two from the original, and I consider it obvious that I've cut that out of a larger message, so I don't bother to indicate it. When I'm responding to several different pieces of the original, I just use extra spacing to indicate serial snippage. Now that download time, bandwidth and storage considerations are less important than they were a few years ago, the major considerations are those of time and ease -- time and ease of comprehension for the reader vs. time and ease of composition for the poster. Since we all read many times more messages than we write, I consider the onus is on the poster to save everybody else as much time and effort as possible. SignatureWayne M. > Yes, someone will sometimes complain about what has been > snipped, but that's mostly someone who is looking for something > to complain about. Yes, I agree. I always snip a post but do try to remember to indicate that I have snipped. The threads here get so long, and meandor so far off topic, it would get ridiculous if nobody snipped anything! If I recall right, I really don't think it ever was an issue on this group, I mean snipping posts. As far as top posting, I truly don't care. It just never has bothered me at all. I guess if I had a pet peeve, it would be posts with graphic links or verbage about animal abuse with no warning. Once I clicked on a link and up popped a picture of piles of euthanized animals. Ooo. I would have never clicked on it if I had known what it was. Sherry >>Bottom posting is, of course, the preferred method on Usenet. >>But if you leave a whole screen-full or more of the original [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>don't bother to go looking for the actual content. It isn't >>worth it. I just hit the <next> key. Out of curiosity, which newsreader do you use? Mine only gives me blue script in the "reply" screen. (Although it usually shows all but the latest comment in italics, it does not always do so, apparently the original poster's browser must have something to do with it, too.) >>>My newsreader puts the quoted material in a different color from >>>the new material. If I open a message and all I see is blue, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > apparently the original poster's browser must have something to do > with it, too.) I don't know what Wayne uses ... my newsreader, slrn, actually uses a different color for each level of quote indentation, which can be pretty handy for following conversations. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>> My newsreader puts the quoted material in a different color from >>>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > different color for each level of quote indentation, which can be > pretty handy for following conversations. I use the dreaded Outlook Express but then I downloaded a nifty freeware program called OE Quotefix (just Google for it). It's like an overlay to OE (but your original OE is still there to use w/o Quotefix if you want). It does the multi-colour thing which is very handy. It also fixes text-wrapping problems inherent to OE. Jill >>>>> My newsreader puts the quoted material in a different color from >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jill I use OE with Quotefix too and I love it! It makes it so easy to follow conversations with all the different colour levels and I love how it puts in the emoticons :-) SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >>>>>> My newsreader puts the quoted material in a different color from >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > conversations with all the different colour levels and I love how it > puts in the emoticons :-) I use Mozilla Thunderbird, and it puts a different color line on the sides of the text for different levels of quotes instead of the > signs. With multiple levels of quotes there are several coloured lines. Just like above here. Britta's was the last level so she didn't have a line, Jill's line is blue, Monique's looks maroon, Evelyn's is green etc. >I don't know what Wayne uses ... my newsreader, slrn, actually uses a >different color for each level of quote indentation, which can be >pretty handy for following conversations. That's on my wish list for Agent. There is a hack for doing it now, but it interferes with other capabilities I want to preserve :-( , so I haven't done it. SignatureWayne M. >Out of curiosity, which newsreader do you use? Mine only >gives me blue script in the "reply" screen. (Although it >usually shows all but the latest comment in italics, it does >not always do so, apparently the original poster's browser >must have something to do with it, too.) I use Agent from Forte. Even on the "read" screen it puts quoted material in blue (as long as the poster's client uses one of the common quote characters). It puts the attribution line at the top in black, and the poster's message in black. SignatureWayne M. >>> Bottom posting is, of course, the preferred method on Usenet. >>> But if you leave a whole screen-full or more of the original [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > latest comment in italics, it does not always do so, apparently the > original poster's browser must have something to do with it, too.) You are using mozilla apparently. You can change the color and style of quoted text in edit/options/message display. Or if you go to tools/extentions/get more extensions (this last one is a link on the window which opens) - you can download a variety of extensions that affect various aspects of how mozilla works. They have a multi-color quoting extensions, and one I like which is quote collapse. Which collapses the quoted material down to a + sign which can be opened to read what is quoted. This is helpful when it is not needed to see the quoted text to follow the thread. We've just never bothered with that here. It depends on which computer I'm on as to if it goes top or bottom. Generally, this is just not an issue on rpca. > >> Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the > >> original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > don't bother to go looking for the actual content. It isn't > worth it. I just hit the <next> key. > We've just never bothered with that here. It depends on which > computer I'm on as to if it goes top or bottom. Generally, this is > just not an issue on rpca. <snip> Actually, your post demonstrates what I do find irritating, following a bottom posted thread with top posting. Then again, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, it doesn't actually hurt anyone. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk eggplant recipe swapping, wining about crap that don't matter... drueling over meatloafing pumpkin cats... it's endless...you'll be copecetic in no time at all matt, just make sure you get your dose make me hot! but since this bothers everyone so much they shoulda never let me know "Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> wrote in message > Actually, your post demonstrates what I do find irritating, following a > bottom posted thread with top posting. Then again, I'm not going to lose any > sleep over it, it doesn't actually hurt anyone. DEAR DRY BABY, I MEAN CRY BABY when matt posts, all you have to do is open and there is the text you don't have to search for it wouldn't it be a wonderful world and a logical method if EVERYONE TOP POSTED NO SCROLLING... no naaaagging how petty couldn't someone just send him a polite email! no they could not...put you all together and still not enough brain watts to send polite email OR... stop being so damn nice...just say matt! get with the program! hope you don't talk to your banker like this you keep holding stuff in you omight explode ooooh ssssshit... i said "make me hot"...i meant to say MAKES ME HOT! I MEAN, IT ANGERS ME.... hell with it i don't care I try to bottom post most of the time as I acknowledge that it's easier to follow, but if I am tired (a lot of the time) or something comes in just before my bedtime (remember I am 6+ hours ahead of the USA) that I particularly want to reply to then I will top post for speed. I wouldn't like to see it become an issue. Tweed > We've just never bothered with that here. It depends on which computer I'm > on as to if it goes top or bottom. Generally, this is just not an issue on [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> don't bother to go looking for the actual content. It isn't >> worth it. I just hit the <next> key. waaaaaaa waaaaaaa > I try to bottom post most of the time as I acknowledge that it's easier to > follow, but if I am tired (a lot of the time) or something comes in just [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >> > >> Wayne M. >We've just never bothered with that here. It depends on which computer I'm >on as to if it goes top or bottom. Generally, this is just not an issue on >rpca. That's fine. For those who don't know that there are actual netiquette rules about it, it can be just a matter of what software they are using. There are also some blind people in some of the groups I read who use text-to-speech and really have trouble with bottom posting if there is much quoted material, and who find it difficult to cut out unnecessary quotes themselves. For those who do wish to top post, for whatever reason, I would still like to request that you hit <Enter> once before you start typing and a couple times after you're through. It makes your message far easier to locate, particularly if it's a one-liner. SignatureWayne M. dude if everyone posted on top i wouldn't have to scroll but as it is... i have to make my eyes sort out the content to which the reply my eyes seek is made this is frivolous no? yes it is... THERE ARE NO RULES WE DO WHAT WE WANT > >We've just never bothered with that here. It depends on which computer I'm > >on as to if it goes top or bottom. Generally, this is just not an issue on [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Wayne M. > For those who do wish to top post, for whatever reason, I would > still like to request that you hit <Enter> once before you start > typing and a couple times after you're through. It makes your > message far easier to locate, particularly if it's a one-liner. I think this is a good idea. If I see a paragraph at the top, with no ">"'s at the beginning of each line, then I know that's the poster's contribution. No problem. But if there's no separation between the poster's message and the quoted text below it, I will often miss it. Other than blind people, though, I don't really understand what's so hard about snipping. Joyce >>>Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the >>>original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > top is the attribution line. I probably only read one in ten of > NMR's messages. Thaks to my kill-file, I don't read ANY of them, unless someone reposts them! From what I've seen, I'm really not missing much. (Although he does occasionally reveal himself as a human being, which the intitial posts that led to his being kill-filed did not.) Hans :-) A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > Hans > :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ROFLMAO > Hans > :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Actually, I find the language people like NMR use to people they've decided to dislike far more annoying than either. (Especially when the poster is apparently semi-literate at best!) Ok that is it she won't leave it alone. I know you are old and set in your ways but get over yourself Everyone wonder why I gave you the title of < blocked out for decency > that I did. YOU DESERVE IT and prove it everytime you mention my Display name. You accused me of being abusive to my wife and family. You took a potshot at my manhood. Now you take a potshot at my education and group me in a category that I don't belong in. You just deserved the < plonk > and shall receive it Since the OP has me Killfiled Someone pass it on to the OP that she has been plonked and if she continues all she is doing it proving her title that she has earned > Ok that is it she won't leave it alone. I know you are old and set in your > ways but get over yourself psst ... Matthew .... I think we have to cut her some slack or some young whippersnappers will be mean to us when we are that old. :) If it comforts her to wave around her killfile, what the hell, you know? Being old does not give you the right to make accusations as she did today or before But neither here nor there she has been added to my killfile which is extremely small but includes the puppy wizard and his alias she deserves to be in that category with him. > Now you take a potshot at my education and group me in a category > that I don't belong in. I am annoyed at that comment, as well. I don't think that criticizing each other's language skills has any place on this ng. Most people on Usenet who observe basic netiquette recognize the "spelling flame" as the last refuge of the incompetent: if you have nothing of substance to say, you can always criticize your opponent's spelling and language use. Many people speak English as a second (or more) language, so it would be extremely rude to criticize their English skills. It is equally rude to call someone "illiterate" even if English is their first language - and how can you be sure of that, anyway, unless they tell you? We really have no idea what someone's background and experience is. And if someone did have a poor education, how is that their fault? Anyone with a reasonably progressive mindset should understand that, in the USA anyway, our educational system has been systematically gutted. It's nothing short of ignorance to blame the people who came through that system with inadequate education. Joyce > > Now you take a potshot at my education and group me in a category > > that I don't belong in. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Joyce Joyce, if you continue to refuse to be petty, mean and cliquish, I am afraid you are going to go in a lot of killfiles. ;) >> Now you take a potshot at my education and group me in a category >> that I don't belong in. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Joyce I totally agree. It annoys me to no end when people criticize a poster's - grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc... - posting style as in top or bottom posting I think that it never leads to anything good and I don't want this group to turn into one of "those" groups. SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Ok that is it she won't leave it alone. I know you are old and set > in your ways but get over yourself [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Someone pass it on to the OP that she has been plonked and if she > continues all she is doing it proving her title that she has earned Just who are you replying to??? Hopefully not Jill???? Maybe that "bebo" freak??? No sorry should have had the post added just won't print her words again it The reply was back to Evelyn Never Jill I have problems with one person her and she was proudly added to my kill file > Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the > original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've scrolled > past your top-posts many times looking for what you have to say, only to > realize oh that's right, it's at the top :) > > Jill Grrrrrrr NMR is the most cheerful, quality posting soul on here (next to me) NMR, DON'T PAY THIS WEED MONKEY NO MIND post where you want!!! LET HER SULK! IF SHE WAS OUT EARNING MONEY RATHER THAN RIDING DADDY'S COAT TAIL THEN SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO NOTICE THE ARRANGEMENT OF YOUR POSTS I personally read all of Matts post, cause he is positive and cheeful and well... he is real. yeah all jill posts is something about an orange cat meatloafing around her one little secion of privacy fence shes got TOO MUCH TIME on her hands. yeah >> Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from >> the original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > yeah Barry, Jill made this request very politely. You're the one who went all ape. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Barry, Jill made this request very politely. You're the one who went > all ape. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca LOL 'Going ape' is not a far step for Barry. I for one would prefer it if Barry just west AWAY, but since he's not, I just blocked all his posts, so I won't see them. >> Barry, Jill made this request very politely. You're the one who went >> all ape. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > if Barry just west AWAY, but since he's not, I just blocked all his > posts, so I won't see them. Oops - forgot to change the subject in my original post (see above) >> Barry, Jill made this request very politely. You're the one who went >> all ape. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > if Barry just west AWAY, but since he's not, I just blocked all his > posts, so I won't see them. I had emptied my killfile for the new year, Barry was the first to go back in. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk <sniped> > I had emptied my killfile for the new year, Barry was the first to go back > in. <sniped> Barry is harmless just likes to mess around. I have had some very deep and interesting conversations with him. He is actually a very nice guy just young and dumb well you know the rest of the line. He does love cats and would do anything for his furballs > <sniped> > > I had emptied my killfile for the new year, Barry was the first to go back [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > young and dumb well you know the rest of the line. He does love cats and > would do anything for his furballs It is a badge of honor to be placed in the killfiles of some of these people, Matthew. Anyone too honest, too bright, too creative or too straightforward should be killfiled by members of a group who see docile mediocrity as a virtue. And those with too good a sense of humor and too much courage too. Barry of course was suggesting that you post as you like, which is a perfectly good suggestion. The "dumb, " young or not, tend to be authoritarian types who either want to dictate the way people post or tend to follow like sheep. > It is a badge of honor to be placed in the killfiles of some of these > people, > Matthew. Anyone too honest, too bright, too creative or too straightforward > should be killfiled by members of a group who see docile mediocrity as > a virtue. And those with too good a sense of humor and too much courage > too. I guess THAT explains why you're not in my kill-file you don't qualify based on the above conditions! >>>Barry, Jill made this request very politely. You're the one who went >>>all ape. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I had emptied my killfile for the new year, Barry was the first to go back > in. I only empty out the posters who no longer seem to be with us - mostly trolls who moved on to other venues. > 'Going ape' is not a far step for Barry. I for one would prefer it if Barry > just west AWAY, but since he's not, I just blocked all his posts, so I won't > see them. > > Folks, the kill-file is your FRIEND! Think of all the time you save if, instead of trying to instill civilized behaviour in the barbarians, you never see their posts at all (and thus are not tempted to reply). don't nobody listen to you ROFLMAO nobody here likes you sssssssssee > > 'Going ape' is not a far step for Barry. I for one would prefer it if Barry > > just west AWAY, but since he's not, I just blocked all his posts, so I won't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > behaviour in the barbarians, you never see their posts at > all (and thus are not tempted to reply). > don't nobody listen to you > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> behaviour in the barbarians, you never see their posts at >> all (and thus are not tempted to reply). hmmm little does she know, she converses with me on a regular basis but she does not know it's me, I will never NEVER tell who I really am. u'd be suprised... seen ms doubtfire? mhmmm im that tidy little soul everybody loves hehehe oh hell, there's a devil among us! is it I? is it I? i do have a signature catch phrase that i accidently put in one of my posts noone caught it...I can't believe noone caught it. I AM DYING TO LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG > >> Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from > >> the original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the > original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jill Jill I will gladly try and do that but may forget sometimes so forgive me in advance. I will gladly try anything (except going away ) if someone ask nicely or points it out nicely :-) I apologize for your and others inconviences ( except for one certain person ) in the past and look to take care of the problem in the future If I forget just remind me I am getting old and lazy in my retirement. None of this is sarcasm please don't take it as such typing has no emotion in it and I meant what I said truly. I might be a troll in some eyes but am a nice guy in reality. Matthew >> Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from the >> original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? I've [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Matthew Here we are only 6 days into the New Year and I can't believe testy posts today. Jill - a lovely young lady and Barry if you knew you were badmouthing such a fox as she is you would hang your head in shame - evidently got p.o.'d around 3am today and made her new post re top-posting and snipping. May I say, Jill, that I never post anything I haven't thought through (top-posting rare) but have NO IDEA how to snip,cut, or paste anything; to defer offers of how to do these things, know that I don't really care. I do delete long stuff preceding my posts on threads by backspace deleting (my version of "snipping"). As for "killfiling" (I think of it as "blocking" which is what it says in my OE tools) people who annoy me, maybe I'm a strange, rare critter but to me half the fun of this ng is the interaction between posters here, from all over the world. I don't block anyone from my view. Admittedly not all of us have unlimited time to read all posts/threads and if this saves you time/aggravation, go for it. We all have our faults; mine is mainly that I'm longwinded. Others post every minute detail of their RL lives to the point of booooorrrring; still others display their lack of cool with crude vulgarity and uncalled-for capitalized comments (these are NOT OLD people). Some are sensitive as if they were the most delicate of flowers, and jump on real or imagined insults from posters in another country, where casual banter reigns, and a small group still holds on to far-in-the-past online wrongs and just won't let go, like the pitbulls we were discussing the other day, LOL. My worst fault AFAIK is heavy sarcasm, far worse than anything NMR has dished out so far. I have to stick my posts containing this down on the bottom toolbar till I cool off and 99% of the time I just dissolve them and never send. Jill has had the stress of her dad's illnesses recently plus the very real fear of losing him (never mind that the docs gave good news) and I understand why she'd be up at that hour, reading ngs to give her mind relief. Bottom line: let's try to be more tolerant toward those who lack our perfection, ROFL. >>> Could you possibly start bottom-posting and trimming out text from >>> the original posts & replies which you deem irrelevant to yours? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Barry if you knew you were badmouthing such a fox as > she is you would hang your head in shame Why, thank you! > p.o.'d around 3am today and made her new post re top-posting and > snipping. I didn't get p.o'd about anything. It was a simple request to make reading easier. May I say, Jill, that I never post > anything I haven't thought through (top-posting rare) but > have NO IDEA how to snip,cut, or paste anything; It's easy enough; if you don't care that's fine but here's a tip that will elminate all your backspacing: Hold down your Shift key at the start of the irrelevent text to be snipped. Use your Arrow keys to highlight the text to snip (down to highlight blocks of text or just -> over to remove one line) then press Delete. Wasn't that easy? > a strange, rare critter but to me half the fun of this ng is > the interaction between posters here, from all over the world. I > don't block anyone from my view. Admittedly not all of us have > unlimited time to read all posts/threads > and if this saves you time/aggravation, go for it. > 99% of the time I just dissolve them and never send. Jill has had the > stress of her dad's illnesses recently plus the very real fear of > losing him (never mind that the docs gave good news) and I understand > why she'd be up at that hour, reading ngs to > give her mind relief. Bottom line: let's try to be more tolerant > toward those who lack our perfection, ROFL. Thanks, but you know, stress really didn't have anything to do with this. It's just 'netiquette'. :) Jill I don't know if your read it or not Jill I responded to your original post. Just in case you haven't no problem on this end doing as you asked me to. :-) Just in case repost This is not top posting ;-) just a repost Jill I will gladly try and do that but may forget sometimes so forgive me in advance. I will gladly try anything (except going away ) if someone ask nicely or points it out nicely :-) I apologize for your and others inconviences ( except for one certain person ) in the past and look to take care of the problem in the future If I forget just remind me I am getting old and lazy in my retirement. None of this is sarcasm please don't take it as such typing has no emotion in it and I meant what I said truly. I might be a troll in some eyes but am a nice guy in reality. Matthew > I don't know if your read it or not Jill I responded to your > original post. Just in case you haven't no problem on this end doing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Matthew I read it, Matthew, and thank you. There are times as others have pointed out when top-posting is better, like for a simple :) or a one liner. But in long threads with many replies... you get the picture :) Thanks, sweetie. Jill No problem always willing to help a friend out how I can this is jill: > I read it, Matthew, and thank you. There are times as others have pointed > out when top-posting is better, like for a simple :) or a one liner. But in > long threads with many replies... you get the picture :) Thanks, sweetie. > > Jill ----------------- this is me: <tying jills shoestrings together while she is posting this one> hehehe <also secretly replaced candy with sh.t-r-full medsin> let's see what happens... this is for matthew lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, man, I hope she don't walk into that door when she turns to leave that has got to be scary, 1,000 smiles... i installed that program you mentioned, it turn them into laughing idiots Thanks Mat Barry I think you have lost it tonight Please save me some :-) >> I don't know if your read it or not Jill I responded to your >> original post. Just in case you haven't no problem on this end doing [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jill It does amuse me how long this thread has gone. Jill made a polite request, which Matthew responded to graciously. I don't understand why some people saw it as an attack. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk Why they did Adrian is because of the emotion factor. You can not tell what a person means without a voice behind it. Some people are over sensitive some could care less. I have been talking to Jill in email most of yesterday laughing about the issue. I appreciate people stepping up but folks she meant nothing by it. I agreed to stop and do my best to remember to do it. The only true attack came from One person who was added to my kill file and shall remain there. <snip> > May I say, Jill, that I never post > anything I haven't thought through (top-posting rare) but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > As for "killfiling" (I think of it as "blocking" which is what > it says in my OE tools) Blocking is killifiling, so you've been killfiling for a while now. (apologies if you know some of this) To snip, you can either use your back space, or you can highlight the text you don't want, and then press 'delete'. To highlight something, put th emouse cursor at the start of it, hold down your left mouse button and then move the mouse to the end of the section you wish to highlight, all the while holding down your left mouse button. Once everything youwant is highlighted, let go of the left mouse button. To copy a bit of text, highlight it. Then press the 'control' button and 'c' button together. Then put the cursor (not the mouse pointer) where you wanted the copy, and press 'control' and 'v' together. Pressing 'control' and 'v' together is the "paste"action. To move something (if its movable, not everything is), you can try to highlight it, then put your mouse over it, hold the left button down and 'drag' it to the new position, and hten 'drop' it by taking your finger off the left mouse button. Or you can highlight it, press, 'control' and 'x' together (cut), move the cursor (not the mouse pointer) to the new position and do a 'paste' action ('control' and 'v' together) Hope that helps, Yowie > I might be a troll in some eyes but am a nice guy in reality. Well, I've never thought you were a troll! You seem like a decent sort to me. Joyce > I apologize for your and others inconviences ( except for one certain > person ) in the past and look to take care of the problem in the future [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Matthew "Different strokes for different folks" "Opinions are like @$$holes, everyone has one" "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" (IDIC) - 5 points to the first geek who can attribute this quote! ;> What I'm trying to say is that every one of us is different, which also means every one of us is unique, which also means every one of us has something to contribute to the benefit (OK, sometimes detriment ;>) of the rest of us. Post however you like, Matthew, some of us may like and appreciate your contributions, some of us may not. Those who do not do not have to read your comments - as far as I know, nobody here has a gun pointed to their heads being forced to read what you write. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ Top posting versus bottom posting: Netiquette dictates that one should either bottom post, or interleave responses whilst snipping that which you are not replying to. However, this is RPCA. Content and community spirit is more important than strictly adhering to netiquette. Thats not to say of course, good netiquette is discouraged, far from it, but given the choice, the vast majority of readers would prefer to read a nice post with bad netiquette than a nasty post with perfect netiquette. I too would prefer people to bottom post, or interleave & snip, and there's nothing wrong with asking politely on occasion like Jill did. However, it strikes me that flaming people for the position of their replies is completley antithetical to what RPCA is all about. The FAQ (http://www.angelifire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm ) has a section "Posting Guide" as Section 7. Note that flaming and being a jerk isn't allowed, whereas top posting is permitted. Yowie > Top posting versus bottom posting: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Yowie Pardon me, Yowie. I didn't mean to imply that nastiness was welcomed, only that frank/honest opinions usually are. As stated in my "RPCA Resolutions" post, I mean to keep my posts here polite and civilized, but I don't discourage differences of opinion at all. On the contrary, I like hearing other's differing opinions - sometimes I learn a lot by reading them SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > news:428bsaF1holfkU1@individual.net... > > Top posting versus bottom posting: > > I too would prefer people to bottom post, or interleave & snip, and > > there's nothing wrong with asking politely on occasion like Jill did. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > discourage differences of opinion at all. On the contrary, I like hearing > other's differing opinions - sometimes I learn a lot by reading them Not to mention the fact that if "being a jerk" were not allowed, some of the most prolific posters would be barred. Oh, wait! They can't be. This is Usenet. A global, unmoderated forum. So the rest of this is quite simply horse sh.t. >> Pardon me, Yowie. I didn't mean to imply that nastiness was welcomed, > only [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > simply > horse sh.t. Well, there's a difference between being barred and not being welcomed. I didn't entirely welcome my MIL with her two vicious dogs, but I didn't bar them from my home! ;> SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > >> Pardon me, Yowie. I didn't mean to imply that nastiness was welcomed, > > only [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > didn't entirely welcome my MIL with her two vicious dogs, but I didn't bar > them from my home! ;> The difference: you COULD have barred her. ( I think ... ? :) ) >> "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >> news:428bsaF1holfkU1@individual.net... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > simply > horse sh.t. That would be *cat* sh.t, surely? Yowie > > Not to mention the fact that if "being a jerk" were not allowed, some of > > the most prolific posters would be barred. Oh, wait! They can't be. This [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That would be *cat* sh.t, surely? If you like. :) >> Top posting versus bottom posting: >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > hearing other's differing opinions - sometimes I learn a lot by reading > them You'll have to excuse me, too, Lori. I didn't mean to imply that you thought nastiness as welcome - thats why I didn't quote anybody's previous post - I didn't want it to be be directed to any one person in particular, you included. I haven't looked at my killfile in ages, but it is obviously working - I don't see the posts that others have clearly been upset by. Things look relatively normal from my POV. Poor Jill, I bet she didn't intend her simple polite message to generate a thread like the one this has turned into. Yowie |
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