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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2006So Sad (what I was afraid of)
The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a trash bag; I can only guess they moved it over by the curb out of the road. I went and knocked on the across-the-street neighbor's door but no one is home. As I walked back to my apartment, I saw her orange tabby meatloafing by my patio fence. (sigh) Will this woman *never* learn? I was thinking about leaving her a note but at this moment I'm not sure I could be very nice about it. Maybe it's best she wasn't at home when I knocked. Jill Jill ~~Will this woman *never* learn?~~ Likely not. Unfortunately, we have a lot'a those kind'a people where I live. We trap cats and take them to the shelter every week, and the following week there's a new one. They're never fixed, they spray everything, and they're more feral than pet. I've seen the neighbourhood dogs playing tug-o-war with one'a these cats because it hadn't been fixed and thought it could challenge them to a duel for territory. It's shameful. Cheers, Azy! "Mr. Doglover, /if/ that is your name, anyone with a brain knows that a question beginning with the words /Since you're so clever/ is more a challenge than a question." ~Mr. Fleez. www.housecatwisdom.blogspot.com > ~~Will this woman *never* learn?~~ > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It's shameful. I'm sorry - you'll never convince me that a cat's place is strictly indoors, if there's a reasonably safe outdoor area where it can hunt. People are probably "safer" if they stay home and never go out, too, but what about QUALITY of life? Sometimes it isn't possible to let them out to roam as they wish, but whenever possible I believe in installing a pet-door and letting the cat decide for itself. (I think most of our members in the UK agree with my feelings in the matter, and they certainly seem to care about their cats - letting them choose whether to be in or out is NOT the same as "neglecting" them.) > > ~~Will this woman *never* learn?~~ > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > letting them choose whether to be in or out is NOT the same > as "neglecting" them.) No, it is just deciding that you are willing to leave them at the mercy of whatever is out there. Good for you. > > ~~Will this woman *never* learn?~~ > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > strictly indoors, if there's a reasonably safe outdoor area > where it can hunt. Take out "reasonably" and I agree. The problem in the USA, at least, is that most people don't live in such areas. If a cat isn't safe from cars, dogs, predators and other people, it shouldn't be allowed to roam. Unfortunately in the US, that rules out probably 90% or more of the environments where people live. An indoor cat is a safe cat. -L. >>> ~~Will this woman *never* learn?~~ >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > -L. I agree. Obviously the neighborhood where I live isn't safe for indoor/outdoor cats. When Persia first found me she kept trying to get out the door as hard as she worked to make me let her *in* the door in the first place. She managed to escape about a month after I'd given up trying to find her owners and had vetted her and all that. She was gone for 24 hours and I was frantic. I was crying my eyes out after calling for her from my patio all those hours later, certain it was an exercise in futility. Suddenly I heard this little "meow?" at the back door. She'd decided things were definitely greener on the inside. She hasn't tried to get back out since. I don't leave the doors open, but when I open one she sits back at a respectful distance. I still had her chipped and got a tag for her collar that indicates she *is* chipped; it gives her name and my phone number, too. Jill > Sometimes it isn't possible to let them out to roam as > they wish, but whenever possible I believe in installing a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > letting them choose whether to be in or out is NOT the same > as "neglecting" them.)/// As someone who has lived on both sides of the Atlantic, I think that attitudes are different because partly of cultural differences, and also because we in the UK (with the exception of traffic and cars) really don't have the predators and dangers of the USA. My dad is the worlds BIGGEST believer in indoor/outdoor cats with a 24 hour cat door, yet in the USA he is the person most likely to lecture you about keeping your cat inside. My folks are deliberately sending Robbie home early - partly so he's not too disrupted by all the changes this year and all the travelling by my folks, but it's 75% so that he can spend spring and summer having access to the garden. Intrestingly enough, when he goes to Vienna, Austria in 2007, he'll be back to being indoor. Helen M >> ~~Will this woman *never* learn?~~ >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > seem to care about their cats - letting them choose whether to be in or > out is NOT the same as "neglecting" them.) Whilst I hesitated before replying to this - not wishing to start up the indoor/outdoor debate again - as a UK member I'll just jump in and say my 2p worth! It goes without saying that the UK & USA are very different, culturally, geographically, and in the type of wildlife we have. Here we do not have hawks that take cats, coyotes, wolves, pumas, bears etc. It is not unknown for a rogue fox to take a cat, but it's very unusual, so let's say for the sake of argument we are predator free in the cat department. Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes through their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming cats are well tolerated here. There are no issues about black cats and Hallow'een. One of the cultural differences that I've noticed is that it seems the norm to keep cats inside in the USA - and in circumstances in which they are likely to be scooped up like a ready-meal by some beastie or flattened into a pancake on the road the second they set foot outside it seems like a good idea. However..given that our UK cats are not likely to be eaten by predators, most owners like to think their kitties can go out and in as they wish, so for folks who live on a busy road a cat is a no-no pet and they usually choose to not have one. There's the cultural difference for you. In my own circumstances I think my cats are safe enough. I live on a road that comes to a full stop a hundred yards away in a field. Only people who live down here, and visitors drive along it. Behind my house, fields for two miles. They would pretty well have to throw themselves under a car to get run over. However, I would not let my cats *choose* for themselves whether it's safe or not to go out. That's a choice I make for them. *I* decide it's safe. Not them. Tweed >>I'm sorry - you'll never convince me that a cat's place is strictly >>indoors, if there's a reasonably safe outdoor area where it can hunt. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > for a rogue fox to take a cat, but it's very unusual, so let's say for the > sake of argument we are predator free in the cat department. It depends upon where in the USA one lives - I've never laid eyes on any of the predators you mention, outside of a zoo! > Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes through > their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming cats are well > tolerated here. There are no issues about black cats and Hallow'een. Most here do not, either - at least nowhere I've lived. > One of the cultural differences that I've noticed is that it seems the norm > to keep cats inside in the USA - and in circumstances in which they are > likely to be scooped up like a ready-meal by some beastie or flattened into > a pancake on the road the second they set foot outside it seems like a good > idea. I have to agree with you about that, but "USA" covers a VERY large territory - I've seldom lived where I had to keep a cat indoors for its own safety. > > Here we do not have > > hawks that take cats, coyotes, wolves, pumas, bears etc. > It depends upon where in the USA one lives - I've never laid > eyes on any of the predators you mention, outside of a zoo! Don't you live in LA, Evelyn? There *are* pumas in LA, as well as hawks and other birds of prey. Probably coyotes, too. Joyce > > > Here we do not have > > > hawks that take cats, coyotes, wolves, pumas, bears etc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Don't you live in LA, Evelyn? There *are* pumas in LA, as well as hawks > and other birds of prey. Probably coyotes, too. Yeah, in the zoo, as I mentioned. I live in a large CITY, for God's sake! (IN it, not in some semi-rural suburb of it.) The only free-flying "birds of prey" I've seen are crows - although the occasional mockingbird seems to suffer from delusions of grandeur, especially during nesting season. ;-) >>> I'm sorry - you'll never convince me that a cat's place is strictly >>> indoors, if there's a reasonably safe outdoor area where it can [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > It depends upon where in the USA one lives - I've never laid > eyes on any of the predators you mention, outside of a zoo! Just because you've never seen one doesn't mean they don't exist!  SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >>>> I'm sorry - you'll never convince me that a cat's place is strictly >>>> indoors, if there's a reasonably safe outdoor area where it can [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Just because you've never seen one doesn't mean they don't exist! I didn't say that - just that they are NOT a problem in any area where I've ever lived. I've lived in at least middling large cities all of my life - the only wild life I've ever encountered are critters like possums and raccoons (and rodents and garden-type lizzards, of course) who have adapted to living side-by-side with humans. I've never lived in any hillside area (where a dispossessed coyote might be a problem), and certainly never anywhere pumas have roamed freely within the last couple of centuries. (SFAIK, neither wolves nor bears have ever frequented the semi-desert area upon which L.A. was built.) >>>>> I'm sorry - you'll never convince me that a cat's place is >>>>> strictly indoors, if there's a reasonably safe outdoor area where [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > neither wolves nor bears have ever frequented the > semi-desert area upon which L.A. was built.) Dispossessed coyotes have been found in *downtown* Vancouver, preying on dogs and small children. You never know, those things can show up where you least expect them. We used to have an outdoor only cat (my dad's choice, I was just a kid) and he used to get in some bad fights with raccoons all the time. His ears looked like swiss cheese after a few years :-( SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Dispossessed coyotes have been found in *downtown* Vancouver, preying on > dogs and small children. You never know, those things can show up where > you least expect them. Pumas have definitely shown up in some urban areas. Maybe not in downtown LA, but in the surrounding hills and less congested areas, they are certainly around. In my neck of the woods, people have been attacked in a couple of city parks, and there are now signs warning folks to pay attention and be careful. A couple of years ago a puma was found hanging out in a tree in the middle of Palo Alto - OK, not a heavy urban area, more suburban, but definitely well-populated. When they habituate to humans, they can become a real menace, if not to us, then definitely to our pets. There are turkey vultures all over the place around here, but I don't know if they actually hunt. Can't say I've ever heard of anyone's pet being carried off by one. Joyce > > Dispossessed coyotes have been found in *downtown* Vancouver, preying on > > dogs and small children. You never know, those things can show up where [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > humans, they can become a real menace, if not to us, then definitely to > our pets. Palo Alto has an entirely different climate from L.A., you know - I don't think puma have EVER been sighted in Los Angeles proper - even in Griffth Park, which still has a fair amount of "wild" area. (As to coyotes, they may be occasionally found within built up areas of the city, but certainly not during the hours people frequent the streets - altered cats are not given to roaming very far, so I've never felt mine were particularly at risk, being possessed of normal instincts of self-preservation, a fenced yard and easy access to a cat-sized pet door.) That being said, studies in recent years seem to indicate that cats really do better when allowed to hunt, however well they may "adapt" to being indoors only. I believe a certain amount of autonomy is neccessary for the best "quality of life" - if there's a certain degree of risk involved, that's a normal condition of ALL life, (including human). ~~It depends upon where in the USA one lives - I've never laid eyes on any of the predators you mention, outside of a zoo! ~~ I live in an urban area, and though we don't have bears, coyotes, etc., we /do/ have sadistic thugs who like to take cats as bait for training their pit fighters. Further, we also have an extremely high feral population. That, along with a high number of indoor/outdoor roamers, makes fertile soil for disease. There are plenty of feline diseases that come from overpopulation and pet neglect, and this area is full of them. Now, if someone wants to let their kitty roam and they don't have the kind of urban or rural dangers that exist in many places right here in my State, I don't have an issue with it. But, if I had all night, I could probably tell you a sad story from just about everyone I know who presently allows, or has in past allowed, their cats outdoors. I have two recent examples directly next-door. My neighbour, with whom I share a drive, had her kitty, Skittles, run down last year and has another, Princess, with only half a tail because of having it run over three years before that. Her new cat is strictly indoors, but she chooses to allow Princess to continue going in and out because she's accustomed to it. That's her choice. I don't personally agree with it; but I'm not a law-maker, nor am I /the/ authority on how you should or shouldn't treat your pet. Regardless, it's not uncommon in my area to see cats with parts bitten or rotting off, nor is it entirely unheard of to find them torn to bits by dogs or stolen by gang-bangers to be fed to fighter dogs. For these reasons, I believe that allowing your cat outdoors /in my area/ is showing a rather low level of concern for its well being. Another thing that I will never understand is why people allow their Toms to go about impregnating every Queen they encounter, or vice versa. The fact that people still refuse to spay or neuter their animals blows my mind. There are so many unwanted cats here that some shelters won't even take them! It /is/ shameful. And to think that /we/ are constantly ridiculed for trapping these cats and taking them to the one shelter that still accepts them! If people really give a rip, why do they let their pets go about using the neighbourhood as a pissing post? If you don't like the smell of spray all over /your/ home, why let your unaltered male go out and spray every door and window of /my/ home? Personally, I'm all for education. I think much of the problem stems from ignorance. If more people understood the issue it might make a difference. Unfortunately, there are SOME people who really don't /want/ to learn how to cut the feral population or even how to protect their pets from various threats. It's sad, but true; there will always be people who hold firmly to the belief that ignorance is bliss. Cheers, Azy! "Mr. Doglover, /if/ that is your name, anyone with a brain knows that a question beginning with the words /Since you're so clever/ is more a challenge than a question." ~Mr. Fleez. www.housecatwisdom.blogspot.com > ~~It depends upon where in the USA one lives - I've never laid eyes on > any of the predators you mention, outside of a zoo! ~~ [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that come from overpopulation and pet neglect, and this area is full of > them. In that case, you are probably justified in your attitude - obviously our experiences differ. The only "feral" cat I ever met promptly walkied in through the pet flap, discovered the joy of regular meals (via my resident cat's food bowl), adopted me and ceased to be feral. Nor have the neighborhoods where I lived fostered residents who indulged in dog fights or cockfighting. > It goes without saying that the UK & USA are very different, culturally, > geographically, and in the type of wildlife we have. Here we do not have > hawks that take cats, coyotes, wolves, pumas, bears etc. It is not unknown > for a rogue fox to take a cat, but it's very unusual, so let's say for the > sake of argument we are predator free in the cat department. > Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes through > their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming cats are well > tolerated here. There are no issues about black cats and Hallow'een. [snip] > However, I would not let my cats *choose* for themselves whether it's safe > or not to go out. That's a choice I make for them. *I* decide it's safe. > Not them. Well said!! I really hate that "territorial" thing. It's not just about yards, it's everything. If you're in the center of town and you happen to lean against a parked car and the car owner sees you, you'll likely get yelled at by the owner. People can be so paranoid and uptight. Joyce jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote: > > Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes through > > their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming cats are well [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joyce I kind of understand the territorial thing about cats. Some people just don't like cats, hard is that is to imagine. I suppose they *do* have a right to a poop-free flower bed and pawprint-free car. OUr neighbors dog used to come over and poop in our yard and it drove me insane. I never said anything to them, but if I wanted to clean up after a dog, I'd have *had* a dog. Sherry > jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net wrote: >> I really hate that "territorial" thing. It's not just about yards, >> it's everything. If you're in the center of town and you happen to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > don't like cats, hard is that is to imagine. I suppose they *do* have a > right to a poop-free flower bed and pawprint-free car. They do? I don't see it like that. My neighbours are sure to p*** me off with some of the things they do. And they certainly do and I don't complain. In return if my cats pawprint their cars or poop in their flowerbeds (which I don't think mine do, they have a car to pawprint and plenty of soil here to poop in) I expect them to tolerate that too. > OUr neighbors > dog used to come over and poop in our yard and it drove me insane. I > never said anything to them, but if I wanted to clean up after a dog, > I'd have *had* a dog. That's a different thing entirely. It's expected that you control your dog because they can be trained. Here in the UK the cat is the only domestic animal that cannot be accused of trespass. It's recognised in law that cats are unable to be controlled. Tweed > Sherry > <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message >> Our neighbors [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tweed Our next-door neighbor's dog got into our yard recently (slipped his lead), and we got to watch a comedy show of bumbling human chasing nimble dog - of which the dog (naturally) thought of as a game. Of course the dog stopped to poo a couple of times, and then the neighbor (being a *good* pet guardian) went around the yard where his dog had been and started picking up poo - but to his consternation, that side of the yard is spotted with dog-poo as that's where we take Max to do his bathroom duties - I think he finally gave up in frustration (or embarrassment when he heard us laughing through the closed windows of the house)! He did finally catch his dog, and scolded him (her?) mildly. > It's recognised in law that cats > are unable to be controlled. How interesting! When was the first cat elected to Parliament, to introduce this legislation? :-) I don't rule out disguise, thinking of Churchill's description of Attlee as "A sheep in sheep's clothing". At least with Churchill, there were official Admiralty and Number 10 Downing Street cats. When he moved up from First Lord, the Admiralty cat, Nelson, was also promoted. >> It's recognised in law that cats >> are unable to be controlled. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Downing Street cats. When he moved up from First Lord, the Admiralty > cat, Nelson, was also promoted. Under the Public Health Act 1936, there had been provision for prosecutions to be brought when, in the view of the Local Authority, there was a "statutory nuisance" caused by "any animal kept in such a place or manner as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance". It was very unlikely that occasional straying by a cat could be described as being a nuisance, but repeated straying, or straying by several cats, had sometimes resulted in convictions. The local authority could also draw up by-laws preventing the keeping of animals where it would be prejudicial to health. The situation regarding trespass was clarified in 1971 and cats once more became "free spirits" under the law. Cats were excluded from the definitions of "livestock" and of "cattle" under the Animals Act 1971, "they cannot be held guilty of trespass under civil law and, therefore, their owners or keepers cannot be liable for any damage done". The Animals Act, 1971 had caused anxiety among cat owners. It concerned liability for damage caused by domestic animals straying on the highway - showing that the motorcar was well and truly a fact of modern life. To bring a case, a party had to prove that the owner had negligently allowed their pet to stray and this probably could not be proved in the case of cats - it was (and still is) accepted that cats are wanderers by nature. Aviary owners knew that it was up to them to secure their birds from marauding cats. Gardeners had (and still have) no redress when a cat dug up their plants. These people could be convicted of cruelty if in their rage they injured or killed their neighbour's cat. From "Daily Mail" 8th October, 1946: It was held by Judge Crosthwaite at Liverpool County Court that the cat has a right to prowl. Tweed > >> I really hate that "territorial" thing. It's not just about yards, > >> it's everything. If you're in the center of town and you happen to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > flowerbeds (which I don't think mine do, they have a car to pawprint and > plenty of soil here to poop in) I expect them to tolerate that too. Well, yes, Christina, I do see it that way. I don't mind cat prints on the car. I would *enjoy* other cats "visiting" if I had neighbors. But I understand people who *do* mind it. I remember a neighbor who used to despair because the neighborhood cats chose her front flower bed as a toilet, and her front steps smelled like a porta-potty in Juarez during hot weather. She didn't even have a cat. I guess I just don't see it that way. Keeping your cats from damaging other people's property is just being a good neighbor, I think. And part of responsible pet ownership, no matter what kind of things the neighbor has done to annoy *me*. Just my opinion. > > OUr neighbors > > dog used to come over and poop in our yard and it drove me insane. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tweed LOL, poop is poop. It still stinks no matter which animal it comes from! Sherry > >> I really hate that "territorial" thing. It's not just about yards, > >> it's everything. If you're in the center of town and you happen to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > flowerbeds (which I don't think mine do, they have a car to pawprint and > plenty of soil here to poop in) I expect them to tolerate that too. Well, yes, Christina, I do see it that way. I don't mind cat prints on the car. I would *enjoy* other cats "visiting" if I had neighbors. But I understand people who *do* mind it. I remember a neighbor who used to despair because the neighborhood cats chose her front flower bed as a toilet, and her front steps smelled like a porta-potty in Juarez during hot weather. She didn't even have a cat. I guess I just don't see it that way. Keeping your cats from damaging other people's property is just being a good neighbor, I think. And part of responsible pet ownership, no matter what kind of things the neighbor has done to annoy *me*. Just my opinion. > > OUr neighbors > > dog used to come over and poop in our yard and it drove me insane. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tweed LOL, poop is poop. It still stinks no matter which animal it comes from! Sherry <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message > LOL, poop is poop. It still stinks no matter which animal it comes > from! > > Sherry <ahem> > Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes through > their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming cats are well > tolerated here. In the main, a friend of mine had her two kittens, (8 month old brother and sister) die horribly in front of her before the vet could get to her because a neighbour deliberately poisoned them for digging up the flowerbeds. She called the police but the neighbour denied it when challenged by police through she admitted it to my friend and of course, the police don't take things like that seriously enough to take it any further , so > for folks who live on a busy road a cat is a no-no pet and they usually > choose to not have one. I live on a very busy road (We had another fatal accident there only last night) but rather than not have a cat I keep them indoors (also we have the first floor flat so even if I wanted to let them out it might be difficult) Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > > Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes through > > their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming cats are well [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Lesley I won't ever understand people who can poison an animal. I can't even poison a mouse. It is such a cruel way to die. I imagine your kitty is just as happy as he can be. After they stay indoors, they don't miss what they don't know. I only had one rescue that could not be rehabilitated into a house cat. He threw himself against the door endlessly for weeks even after we got him neutered. I ended up rehoming him as a barn cat, he was an old scarred-up Tom and I guess it was a pretty good life compared to what he'd had before. Sherry <snip> >I won't ever understand people who can poison an animal. I can't even >poison a mouse. It is such a cruel way to die. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >ended up rehoming him as a barn cat, he was an old scarred-up Tom and I >guess it was a pretty good life compared to what he'd had before. That sounds a lot like Rocky. He finally consented to being inside overnight, and he was fine if I was home, but he hated being inside during the day if I wasn't home. The few times I left him inside neighbors told me he howled and paced in the windows. I don't know if that was because he felt the need to be in the OUT, or perhaps fear of being trapped. I know he spent several hours in a trap that a neighbor had put out for a possum. So, during the day I let him out, and he could usually be found lounging on the patio. Of course, now I regret that I didn't try harder to keep him in, if I had he might still be with me. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > <snip> > >I won't ever understand people who can poison an animal. I can't even [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Steve Touchstone Oh, no Steve. You can't think that way. Rocky had a fine life after he found you, until the day he died. No cat could ask for more. He was one of the lucky ones. You would not have wanted him pacing and crying to go outside all the time. He was a ramblin' cat and he would have been miserable. Sherry <<snip>> >> had put out for a possum. So, during the day I let him out, and he >> could usually be found lounging on the patio. Of course, now I regret [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Sherry Well, I know that, intellectually, but there are always those "what if's" that come back and haunt you. I guess reading a post like the OP still brings those thoughts back. Really, my regret is that he wasn't happy as an inside only cat. I know the last couple years of his life were much better than his early life - just from the fact that he stopped showing up with fight wounds after being neutered. Heck, once he stopped fighting and eating regularly he stopped aging, at least his estmiated age at TED stayed the same the last three or four years of his life. ;-) And, I have no doubt that he was happier as well as healthier. He learned to purr, learned to enjoy scritches, even learned to be finicky about what food should be eaten. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >>> Neither do neighbours get all territorial if someone's cat passes >>> through their garden (yard) and kill them. In the main, roaming [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I won't ever understand people who can poison an animal. I can't even > poison a mouse. It is such a cruel way to die. My father wouldn't allow us to have pets (other than caged birds) when I was growing up. It wasn't until I was an adult I found out why. When he was a boy *and* living in the country, he had a dog named Spot. A neighbor fed it poisoned meat to keep it from roaming into his yard. I would imagine all the neighbor would have had to do was simply request they keep Spot on a lead or build a fence, but no, he poisoned the dog. Dad watched his dog die. He didn't want us to have to deal with the death of pets, so we couldn't have any. > I imagine your kitty is just as happy as he can be. After they stay > indoors, they don't miss what they don't know. (snippage) > > Sherry Persia discovered on her great escape how much better life was on the indoors. When she came back after 24 hours she had leaves and mud in her fur. She'd apparently slept under a bush, out in the cold. She didn't have the nice soft bed she'd gotten used to in my care, nor the constant food and water. Of course, she wasn't a feral, she was apparently and indoor/outdoor cat who escaped and found me. She might have even come from that woman's house across the street. For whatever reason, she chose me. Now she only goes out in her Kitty-walk in nice weather. She's content, fat and happy! Jill > It wasn't until I was an adult I found out why. just that little bit right there, that's all I need to reply I say covert rejection is far worse than overt when we do too much for someone, we send the message that "you are not capable". it leaves that one floundering for life, most do not escape it's clutch. Always looking for more affirmation seeing that they never quite grow up or come to their own God Bless the child who has their own. > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last > week is laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Jill > Jill So sad, I will light a candle for the grey & white cat. :-( SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is > laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > meatloafing > by my patio fence. (sigh) Will this woman *never* learn? very sad news. the world is a very cruel place at times. Sandra >The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is >laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a trash [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >could be very nice about it. Maybe it's best she wasn't at home when I >knocked. I know the feeling. I feed some cats in the area and there was a beautiful orange and white one that would show up on occassion. I was tempted to try to rehome it but judging be the looks of it I would say it belonged to someone so I left it be. Well Sunday morning (New Years day) I found it dead in the middle of the road. It broke my heart to see it. I hope it did not lay there suffering before it went to the bridge. I got a trash bag and picked it up and took care of it. I wish I knew who it belonged to so I could tell them off but I do not. I did the next best thing and wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper (The Saginaw News) about it and perhaps someone that knows it owner will see it and tell them about it's demise. >> The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last >> week is [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the local paper (The Saginaw News) about it and perhaps someone that > knows it owner will see it and tell them about it's demise. Now that's an excellent idea! I might just write a letter to the editor. Jill I'm so sorry to hear that. Purrs, Polonca and Soncek > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is > laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a trash [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Jill > Jill > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is > laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Jill > Jill It is sad that the little one wasn't served properly by loving masters. I'll light a candle for his safe journey to the Bridge. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe I'm sorry to hear that. Poor kitty. I hope she didn't suffer. I hope her human(s) wise up and keep any other cats they have indoors! Donna, Captain, and Stanley (the pair of spoiled indoor kitties) > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window > last week is laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > not sure I could be very nice about it. Maybe it's best she > wasn't at home when I knocked. So sorry to hear that Jill. Purrs for the poor little wons journey. :( SignatureCheryl > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last > week is laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > apartment, I saw her orange tabby meatloafing by my patio fence. > (sigh) Will this woman *never* learn? I caught her and her husband at home late yesterday afternoon. I noticed a small bowl on the front stoop from which kibble had spilled. Obviously the crap she told me a couple of years ago about her cats "escaping" was crap since she's feeding them outside. Anyway, the moment she opened a door a very young, maybe 9 month old kitten raced out the door. I asked her if she had a missing grey & white cat. She said no, but they are missing a very pale orange male, almost tan, that has been gone about three weeks now. She was very nonchalant about it. She said she hopes the missing kitty is just out roaming around or that if someone found it he has a good home. (!) Why does this woman even have cats? I'm still convinced the grey & white was hers because when it was yowling at Persia through the window the last time, when I chased it off it ran towards her house. Jill >> The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last >> week is laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Jill My nieghbor has a siameese mix male that his daughter gave him and it was never nuetered and now because it spray it is stuck outside 95% of the time but yet his daughter told me she gave him 2 kittens again of which neither is fixed !! JUST WHAT HE NEEDS !!! Plus it sounds like his daughter needs to learn about spaying and nuetering !! > I caught her and her husband at home late yesterday afternoon. I noticed a > small bowl on the front stoop from which kibble had spilled. Obviously the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jill I'd be really inclined to rehome the roamers. If they are on your property you are well within your legal rights to do so. -L. >> I asked her if she had a missing grey & white cat. She said no, but >> they are missing a very pale orange male, almost tan, that has been [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > property you are well within your legal rights to do so. > -L. Technically it's not "my" property; I lease an apartment here. And where would I put the cats in the meantime? I can't bring them into my apartment; they terrorize Persia just coming up to look in the windows. Even if I could do that, I don't know they've had their shots or what they've been exposed to while running around outside. Technically there is no "leash law" for cats in the county where I live. However, when this problem first cropped up a couple years ago I did call the local Humane Society. They said I could rent a humane trap from them if the cat was being a nuisance and bring it to their shelter. That's sort of odd, don't you think? You don't have to keep them indoors or restrained, but if you catch them you can legally trap them. Hmmm. Jill :( > The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is > laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a trash [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Jill > Jill you got TOO much time on your hands why aint you selling insurance or the other gig meatloafing jill? you're killin me where do you get this stuff >The grey & white cat that was tormenting Persia at the window last week is >laying dead by the side of the road :( Someone half-covered it with a trash [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Jill >Jill {{{{Jill}}}} I'm so sorry. And this is so sad. Purrs for that poor little cat on his/her journey. 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