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CatNipped - 02 Jan 2006 14:54 GMT
Digger is still favoring his left paw, so I made an appointment for him to
see the vet at 11:30AM CST today.  Purrs for the puppy would be greatly
appreciated.  I'll let  you know what the vet said when we get back.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 02 Jan 2006 15:18 GMT
> Digger is still favoring his left paw, so I made an appointment for
> him to see the vet at 11:30AM CST today.  Purrs for the puppy would
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>
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Purrs for the pooch, and that the neighbors get some brains before that dog
does some major damage and they end up in a lawsuit over it!
SuzQ - 03 Jan 2006 13:18 GMT
Puppy purrs sent.
Suz&Spicey
Irulan - 02 Jan 2006 15:37 GMT
Purrs and prayers the puppy has nothing serious.
Lily & her mama

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> Digger is still favoring his left paw, so I made an appointment for him to
> see the vet at 11:30AM CST today.  Purrs for the puppy would be greatly
> appreciated.  I'll let  you know what the vet said when we get back.
Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Jan 2006 15:55 GMT
> Digger is still favoring his left paw, so I made an appointment for
> him to see the vet at 11:30AM CST today.  Purrs for the puppy would
> be greatly appreciated.  I'll let  you know what the vet said when
> we get back.

Purrs for digger.

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CatNipped - 02 Jan 2006 18:05 GMT
He got a shot of antibiotics and cortisone, and some antibiotic pills to
take for the next week.  The vet said it did look like he'd been bitten
between his toes.  So now he has scrapes all over his muzzle where he was
bitten, a scrape on his left front leg (just noticed that at the vet), and a
really nasty bite wound between his toes.  And the neighbor's little girl
has bite marks on her face, arm and leg.  *AND THEY'RE STILL KEEPING THAT
VISCIOUS LITTLE ANIMAL NAD ALLOWING THE 5-YEAR-OLD TO WALK HIM ARUOND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!!*  I called animal control again and they just said they
already have a report made out and have notified the owner but can't do
anything further because he was behind a fence in his own yard when the
incident happened.

When my daughter gets back she said she's going to take the $55 vet's bill
over there and ask him to pay half (she said she'll pay half because it was
Digger who stupidly put his paw through the fence once we boarded it up
enough to keep their faces away from each other).

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> Digger is still favoring his left paw, so I made an appointment for him to
> see the vet at 11:30AM CST today.  Purrs for the puppy would be greatly
> appreciated.  I'll let  you know what the vet said when we get back.
Jo Firey - 02 Jan 2006 19:33 GMT
> He got a shot of antibiotics and cortisone, and some antibiotic pills to
> take for the next week.  The vet said it did look like he'd been bitten
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>> greatly appreciated.  I'll let  you know what the vet said when we get
>> back.

I was just sitting here wondering if when your daughter got back to pick up
Gypsy and Digger, she might not have a "visit" with the neighbor.

After all, she sounds like she knows how to stand up for herself, doesn't
have to live next to him and Digger is a Katrina victim.  She may well be
able to get more mileage out of that than you can.  (And I mean all that in
the best possible way)

I'm really sorry you are having to go through all this.  And worried about
those children as well.

That doggone dog wasn't lost when they found it.  It had been dumped by some
other weasel livered coward who didn't have the guts or decency to turn it
over to animal control when they didn't train it and couldn't handle it.

Yes I like dogs a great deal and want to see them get every chance possible,
but perfectly nice dogs are euthanized every day and there is no excuse for
keeping an agressive dog in a family with small children.

Jo
CatNipped - 02 Jan 2006 19:50 GMT
>> He got a shot of antibiotics and cortisone, and some antibiotic pills to
>> take for the next week.  The vet said it did look like he'd been bitten
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> turn it over to animal control when they didn't train it and couldn't
> handle it.

Yep, that's the same thing I was thinking - I think he *was* dumped because
he was too aggressive.

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> Yes I like dogs a great deal and want to see them get every chance
> possible, but perfectly nice dogs are euthanized every day and there is no
> excuse for keeping an agressive dog in a family with small children.
>
> Jo
Enfilade - 02 Jan 2006 22:30 GMT
> > Yes I like dogs a great deal and want to see them get every chance
> > possible, but perfectly nice dogs are euthanized every day and there is no
> > excuse for keeping an agressive dog in a family with small children.
>
> > Jo

I think there are animal psychopaths just like there are human
ones...some dogs (and cats) are exceedingly aggressive and want nothing
more than to inflict injury upon other creatures.  And I don't believe
such animals should be kept around where they endanger others,
particularly when loving animals are euthanized for lack of a good
home.

It worries me that this neighbour dog is psycho enough to try to beat
on a Rottweiler.  It says much for Digger that he doesn't just snap
that little monster's spine in two (I suggest you do your best to keep
them separate since you don't want Digger getting into that sort of
behaviour even in self defence.)

--Fil
CatNipped - 02 Jan 2006 23:22 GMT
>> > Yes I like dogs a great deal and want to see them get every chance
>> > possible, but perfectly nice dogs are euthanized every day and there is
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>
> --Fil

They are separated - there's an 8 foot wooden fence between them.  The
problem is that, where there are trees on the property line, the stupid
fence installers cut the wood up so it formed an inverted "U" around the
tree boles.  That left spaces big enough for the dogs to get their snouts
through, and the little dog latched onto Digger's snout and wouldn't let go
(his "pit-bull" half was showing).  DH had to go down and literally pry open
the dog's mouth to get Digger lose.

DH commented loudly to the neighbor (who was in his own backyard but doing
nothing to curb his dog) that Digger was bleeding like a stuck pig.  [This
was after the dog had bitten the neighbor's 5-year-old daughter's leg, arm,
and *FACE*.]  All the neighbor said was, "Oh I'm sorry, he's territorial."
Digger has some very deep scratches and gouges of meat taken out of his
snout, but didn't need stitches or vet care at that time (thankfully his
snout didn't get infected).  That's when we called Animal Control.

Animal Control wouldn't let us officially report the child's bite since that
has to be done by the victim, the victim's parent, or a doctor treating the
victim.  They did, however, say they could note it in their report, and they
were at my neighbor's door a few hours later (unfortunately he wasn't home
when they were there so they just left a notice on his door).  Even after
that, that same afternoon he was letting his 7-year-old son walk the dog
around the neighborhood on a leash.

Having done all we thought we could, DH nailed some boards over the openings
in the fence and thought that would be the end of it.  Unfortunately, Digger
saw the dog mauling the little girl (he *LOVES* children, and Rottweilers
have extreme protective instincts) and still has a h*rd-on against the
little aggressor.  So stupid Digger stuck his paw through the fence trying
to get at the other dog and the other dog latched onto his paw and it looks
like he ripped the skin between his paws.  It was starting to get infected
so we brought Digger to the vet today - the vet gave Digger and an
antibiotic/cortisone shot and sent us home with some antibiotics.

My daughter said she is going over to talk to the neighbor when she gets
into town tomorrow (Erin is *very* b*llsy when it comes to her dogs or
children - and this involves both).  She's going to ask him to pay half the
$55 vet bill and give him a "talking to" as a parent and as a dog owner
about the dangers of an aggressive dog (not that I think that will do any
good when he didn't even take his child for treatment when she was bitten on
her leg, arm, and face).

Anyway, Erin's dogs will be gone by Wednesday night, so my part in this will
be done - but I still worry about that animal mauling and seriously injuring
another child in the neighborhood (as if a 7-year-old could control an
aggressive dog on a leash if he takes it into his head to maul a child!!!).
I called animal control again this morning but they said they couldn't do
anything else since there was already a report made and the dog was in his
own fenced in yard when he bit Digger (the vet said the same thing when I
asked her if she could report it).

Hugs,

CatNipped
idontmind@gmail.com - 03 Jan 2006 01:46 GMT
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> Animal Control wouldn't let us officially report the child's bite since that
> has to be done by the victim, the victim's parent, or a doctor treating the
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> own fenced in yard when he bit Digger (the vet said the same thing when I
> asked her if she could report it).

That's true about Digger, but I am shocked that animal control didn't
persue the bite on the child.

Is Digger neutered?  If not, neutering may help curb his
territoriality.

Seriously, I think an anonymous call to CPS is in order.  That dog is a
danger to anyone who comes in contact with him.  I am of the belief
that no dog bites for "no reason" but even so, if he hurt the little
girl that badly, he isn't socialized properly and probably has a poor
history which needs professional training to correct, if it is
correctable, which it may not be.  The dog really shouldn't be alone
with kids, ever.  I know you don't want to stir up cr*p with your
neighbor, but I'd be really hesitant to live next door to a dog like
that, myself.

I had three dogs in my old neighborhood in Indy - all of the
neighborhood hated them because they jumped the fence and mauled our
dogs.  I really gave animal control a lot of grief because they
wouldn't do anything about it.  A few weeks after I moved out of state,
a neighbor sent me a video of AC picking up the dogs for mauling a
neigbrohood child.  It's just sick that it had to get to *that stage*
before they'd do anything about them.  I still feel sick about the boy
who was mauled, and this happened, 7 or 8 years ago.  Those dogs should
have been taklen away a year before that incident.

-L.
CatNipped - 03 Jan 2006 02:35 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> That's true about Digger, but I am shocked that animal control didn't
> persue the bite on the child.

Me too, but they said they could only take a report about "dog-bites-human"
if it's the victim, the victim's parent, or a doctor reporting a bite (I
guess anything else is hearsay, and if none of the above are reporting it,
it's probably not serious - but in this case it was, it was just that the
parent was stupid).

> Is Digger neutered?  If not, neutering may help curb his
> territoriality.

Not yet, but Digger isn't the one who's being territorial, it's the other
dog.  Digger is like a huge puppy, he's more likely to roll over on his back
for a tummy scratching than bark at an intruder.  I think he's only going
after the other dog because it hurt a child (I don't know - maybe that's
anthropomorphising? but he really was upset when he saw the other dog
attacking the child).

I asked Erin about getting him neutered, but he's a $500 pure-bred with
papers and she said they might breed him once before neutering him.  (I
know, sigh, but she's a grown woman and won't listen to me any more - when I
start lecturing I can practically see it going in one ear and right out the
other - don't ask me how she even became a dog person, I'm afraid of dogs
(see below) - I guess she takes after her dad.)

> Seriously, I think an anonymous call to CPS is in order.

You might be right, but there's no outright abuse going on, just stupidity
being displayed, and they just lost their mother last summer from cancer.
I'm thinking about it, but *really* hesitant to do something that drastic
(and yet, you're right, I'll feel awful if one of the children is seriously
hurt by the dog or if another neighborhood child is hurt by the dog).  I'll
just have to think about it more - it's a wrenching decision for me.

> That dog is a
> danger to anyone who comes in contact with him.  I am of the belief
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>
> -L.

Ohmygawd, that must have been awful.  I'm actually afraid of dogs - I can
only be around my daughter's two because they're so well-trained that they
obey me instantly and don't even play aggressively.  I was attacked by a dog
when I was a child, riding my bike - I wasn't scarred physically, but that
was one of the most horrifying experiences of my life!  I can't imagine the
pain and horror of being seriously mauled.

I wish animal control would take dog-bites-dog incidents more seriously - to
me this is an indication of aggression, period!

Lori
-L. - 03 Jan 2006 08:21 GMT
> Me too, but they said they could only take a report about "dog-bites-human"
> if it's the victim, the victim's parent, or a doctor reporting a bite (I
> guess anything else is hearsay, and if none of the above are reporting it,
> it's probably not serious - but in this case it was, it was just that the
> parent was stupid).

Does the girl go to school?  If she shows up at school after the
Holiday break with a dog bite the teacher might report it to the school
social worker.  That would solve the dilema of whether or not to call
CPS...

> > Is Digger neutered?  If not, neutering may help curb his
> > territoriality.
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> anthropomorphising? but he really was upset when he saw the other dog
> attacking the child).

Didn't you say he's protective though?  Or did I misread something?
Either case, neutering is *always* best for a male dog.  Unneutered
male dogs get *dumb* during mating season and many get almost
delerious.  IMO, neutered male dogs make the most awsome pets - females
remain bitchy (literally and figuratively) whether or not they are
neutered.  I have seen an unneutered male dog kill another dog.  I have
seen one jump and climb through barbed wire to get to a bitch.  They
just get *stupid*.

> I asked Erin about getting him neutered, but he's a $500 pure-bred with
> papers and she said they might breed him once before neutering him.  (I
> know, sigh, but she's a grown woman and won't listen to me any more - when I
> start lecturing I can practically see it going in one ear and right out the
> other - don't ask me how she even became a dog person, I'm afraid of dogs
> (see below) - I guess she takes after her dad.)

I have a 28-year-old niece like that and I helped raise her.  It
infuriates the hell out of me when she doesn't listen. ;)  Just be sure
to tell her about testicular cancer during your lecture. ;)

<snip>

> Ohmygawd, that must have been awful.  I'm actually afraid of dogs - I can
> only be around my daughter's two because they're so well-trained that they
> obey me instantly and don't even play aggressively.  I was attacked by a dog
> when I was a child, riding my bike - I wasn't scarred physically, but that
> was one of the most horrifying experiences of my life!  I can't imagine the
> pain and horror of being seriously mauled.

I got nailed by my best friend's GSD on my bike while delivering papers
when I was 10.  I was more mad that he did it than hurt, but man did
that bite hurt a lot!  The weird thing is, I can still see him snarling
and snaping at me today, in my mind's eye.

> I wish animal control would take dog-bites-dog incidents more seriously - to
> me this is an indication of aggression, period!

Dog bites to human can be warnings, mistakes or serious.  100% of the
time, it's a humans fault, IMO, if someone actually gets bitten.
Unfortunately for kids, the fault lies with the parents and the kids
are the ones who suffer.  I just hate it when people blame the dog,
though.  It's similar to people who blame cats for scratching them, in
some respects.

My dog is never left alone with my son - he never approaches her
without me standing right there.  I trust my dog 100% but I can't trust
my son (yet).  Same goes with my cats.  He loves them, but I can't just
turn him loose with them.  I'm not sure at what age I will be
comfortable doing so.

-L.
CatNipped - 03 Jan 2006 13:45 GMT
>> Me too, but they said they could only take a report about
>> "dog-bites-human"
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> seen one jump and climb through barbed wire to get to a bitch.  They
> just get *stupid*.

He's protective of his children, not his territory.

I *AM* going to talk to my daughter about this again - if you have any other
arguments for me to use, let me know since I know zilch about dogs (if it
were a cat I could give her thousands of valid reasons for having him
neutered - but then all my cats were always rescues, not pure-breds).

>> I asked Erin about getting him neutered, but he's a $500 pure-bred with
>> papers and she said they might breed him once before neutering him.  (I
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> infuriates the hell out of me when she doesn't listen. ;)  Just be sure
> to tell her about testicular cancer during your lecture. ;)

See, I didn't know about that one.

> <snip>
>
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> turn him loose with them.  I'm not sure at what age I will be
> comfortable doing so.

I agree 100%.  I wouldn't leave my 6-year-old granddaughter alone with the
cats - children don't develop *any* sense of empathy until they are 5 or 6
(and some even later).  And I wouldn't ask any creature to be hurt without
lashing out.

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> -L.
-L. - 03 Jan 2006 17:31 GMT
> He's protective of his children, not his territory.

In dogs, that's pretty much the same thing. :)  Most dogs are (or
become) really people-oriented and that's what they try to protect
initially and with the most vengence- their pack.  When I first met DH,
my Border Collie mix would sit between us anytime he was around.  That
same protectiveness transferred to her yard once we lived in a house
with a fenced-in yard.  Good dogs will protect their pack (and
surroundings) from intruders - it's not necessarily a bad thing unless
they fail to respond to commands.  Eventually my dog accepted my DH
into the pack and then protected *him* too.  They are so funny!

> I *AM* going to talk to my daughter about this again - if you have any other
> arguments for me to use, let me know since I know zilch about dogs (if it
> were a cat I could give her thousands of valid reasons for having him
> neutered - but then all my cats were always rescues, not pure-breds).

Well the most compelling reason is that if she doesn't have an in-depth
knowledge of Rottweiler genetics, she shouldn't be breeding the dog,
purbred or not.  Looking at pedigrees back 3 generations isn't enough.
There are so many things to consider - breed-specific genetic diseases
and their genetic genotypes being the biggie.  The dog really needs an
extensive (and expensive) RFLP or PCR-mediated genetic profile done to
ensure he doesn't carry breed-specific traits, as should his mate.
That being said, the only dogs in a breed that *should be* bred are
dogs for which this information is known:  dogs which are bred only by
the top breeders who take the time, effort, energy and money to
genotype their dogs and puppies; dogs which cost thousands of dollars,
not hundreds.  Chances are she, herself,  bought this dog from a home
breeder who did none of the above.  There's nothing wrong with that in
terms of seeking a pet.  Where it becomes irresponsible to the breed is
when it gets perpetuated, because the genetic diseases get perpetuated
and weaken the gene pool.  Don't get me wrong - I am no fan of
"purbred" breeding because by and large it is *inbred* breeding.  But
if it is going to be done, it needs to be done with knowledge of the
genetics of the breed.

The other reasons are similar to why you neuter male cats:  It makes
them less territorial, less high-strung, less likely to mark their
territory (unneutered male dogs often pee on things in and around the
home),  less likely to wander (male dogs will take off and go 10 miles
or more after the scent of a female), less likely to get hit by a car,
less likely to be aggressive (agression is heightened at mating season,
will make him more docile (not a problem now, but is likely with an
unneutered male Rotty), and less likely to develop testicular cancer.
Neutered pets just make better pets!

<snip>

> I agree 100%.  I wouldn't leave my 6-year-old granddaughter alone with the
> cats - children don't develop *any* sense of empathy until they are 5 or 6
> (and some even later).  And I wouldn't ask any creature to be hurt without
> lashing out.

I think most kids just don't know their own strength, as well.  I know
of more than one Mom with a black-eye from their 2 year-old!

-L.
CatNipped - 03 Jan 2006 17:40 GMT
>> He's protective of his children, not his territory.
>
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> they fail to respond to commands.  Eventually my dog accepted my DH
> into the pack and then protected *him* too.  They are so funny!

Ah, OK.  I just didn't notice it because he allows meter men into the yard
without barking.

>> I *AM* going to talk to my daughter about this again - if you have any
>> other
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> unneutered male Rotty), and less likely to develop testicular cancer.
> Neutered pets just make better pets!

OK, thanks, I'm going to print this out and use it when I talk to her.

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> <snip>
>
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>
> -L.
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Jan 2006 18:14 GMT
>> I have a 28-year-old niece like that and I helped raise her.  It
>> infuriates the hell out of me when she doesn't listen. ;)  Just be
>> sure to tell her about testicular cancer during your lecture. ;)
>
> See, I didn't know about that one.

Well, yeah, if you remove an organ, the organ can't develop cancer.

<warning>

I think there are much stronger arguments for neutering.  I've seen
pictures on rpch+b of trash cans full of dead puppies and kittens.
There are only so many homes.  If there are X number of dogs that can
be homed and Y number of dogs, then Y - X dogs *will* be killed.  I'd
rather Y get smaller, not larger.

Even if Digger is a purebred, that doesn't necessarily mean that a
responsible breeder would breed him.  There's a lot of research,
medical tests, etc. to be done.  And as much research to be done for
the female, too, to be sure that their mating doesn't produce
undesirable characteristics.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 03 Jan 2006 18:17 GMT
>>> I have a 28-year-old niece like that and I helped raise her.  It
>>> infuriates the hell out of me when she doesn't listen. ;)  Just be
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> be homed and Y number of dogs, then Y - X dogs *will* be killed.  I'd
> rather Y get smaller, not larger.

I hear ya!  I think I've seen the pic you're referring to, and they weren't
just trash cans, they were 50 gallon barrells (or oil drums, as some people
call them).  At least a dozen of them. all completely stuffed with dead cats
& dogs.  I cried.  It makes me *so* want to catch MamaKat & get her spayed!
But the wiley b!tch - I haven't seen her since before Thanksgiving.  <sigh>

> Even if Digger is a purebred, that doesn't necessarily mean that a
> responsible breeder would breed him.  There's a lot of research,
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>
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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Jan 2006 18:33 GMT
>> I think there are much stronger arguments for neutering.  I've seen
>> pictures on rpch+b of trash cans full of dead puppies and kittens.
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> catch MamaKat & get her spayed!  But the wiley b!tch - I haven't
> seen her since before Thanksgiving.  <sigh>

Oh, you're right.  It's been a while since I saw the picture.  But it
does stick in my head.

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Jo Firey - 03 Jan 2006 20:45 GMT
"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message

> He's protective of his children, not his territory.
>
> I *AM* going to talk to my daughter about this again - if you have any
> other arguments for me to use, let me know since I know zilch about dogs
> (if it were a cat I could give her thousands of valid reasons for having
> him neutered - but then all my cats were always rescues, not pure-breds).

It doesn't matter how good a pedigree Digger has or what a great example he
is of his breed.  (And yes I understand the interest in seeing what
wonderful puppies he might sire)

For the sire to be of benefit to his offspring, he has to have an
exceptional pedigree, including many US and International Champions.  There
is no shortage of such dogs.

You also have the argument you would use with cats.  Your daughter, as owner
of the sire will have virtually no control over how the puppies will be
placed in homes and raised and trained.

(Former breeder who has driven over 500 miles more than once to find a good,
suitable stud dog)

Jo
Tish Silberbauer - 04 Jan 2006 10:45 GMT
I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here in Australia serious
breeders of purebred dogs seem to prefer to use stud dogs that have a
track record - either as show dogs (conformation) or as working dogs.
In the case of a rottie, I would imagine that a dog that has his
championship title will be far more desirable than an unproven dog
such as Digger.  In that case, I'm not sure there is much point in
using Digger as a stud dog, regardless of his pedigree.  There are too
many bad examples of breeds to come out of "hobby-ist" breeders who
aren't sufficiently familiar with the breed standards, genetics common
sense (i.e. don't breed siblings to eachother), health care for
bitches and pups, etc.  That is not to say there aren't serious,
showing breeders who are guilty of all of the above, but at least show
dogs are subject to the judgement and inspection of knowledgeable
people (most of the time).

We have a purebred dog, with registration papers and the whole lot,
but had him neutered.  We were not going to show him - he was
tempermentally not suited to the show ring (and neither am I, for that
matter) and we were finding his single-mindedness about bitches to be
more than annoying.  Every time there was a bitch in season within the
town, he would go *nuts* and would stay nuts for the week or two (or
three) she was in season.  I don't know how many un-speyed bitches
there were in the town, but our dog was guaranteed to go nuts at least
once a month.  Since being neutered he has calmed down a lot and is
much easier and safer to live with.  He is also a happier and
healthier dog becuase he does not have to deal with constant
frustration and the physical side-effects it can cause.  He is not
nearly as territorial, which means much less danger from fights with
both other dogs and from biting people he perceived to be threatening
to us.

For the record, even though folklore states that desexed dogs get fat,
our dog did not (and neither did our desexed bitch).

There are many, many good reasons for getting a dog desexed and the
most important ones are for the physical and psychological well-being
of the dog.

Gosh, I hope I haven't offended anyone by that rant.  If so, I
apologise.

Tish

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>Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT
> For the record, even though folklore states that desexed dogs get
> fat, our dog did not (and neither did our desexed bitch).

I think the idea is that an altered pet is less active, and therefore
would get fat.  If your pet gets enough exercise and eats reasonably,
it shouldn't be a problem.

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sriddles@aol.com - 04 Jan 2006 17:11 GMT
> I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here in Australia serious
> breeders of purebred dogs seem to prefer to use stud dogs that have a
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> sense (i.e. don't breed siblings to eachother), health care for
> bitches and pups, etc.

I wish everyone thought like you do. I have seen so many stories via
the shelter about inexperienced breeders. One recently involves a
litter of poor Collie pups someone brought us that have this peculiar
aardvark nose. I don't even think they will be able to chew very well.
I"m not sure what is going to happen to them. But I *know* it is a
genetic thing because three of the puppies have it. They sold the other
puppies already, which greives me a a lot.
Another story we get all the time are the people who buy from a
backyard breeder because their puppies are cheaper than a reputable
show breeder. But a lot of people have learned "you get what you pay
for".  The puppies they buy are requiring a lot of vet care, some for
genetic problems that could have been avoided and some due to the
backyard breeder just not taking care of the mom and puppies.
Rant over. I don't mean to offend anybody here either. This is just
what happens with *some* backyard breeders.

Sherry
Jo Firey - 04 Jan 2006 17:12 GMT
>I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here in Australia serious
> breeders of purebred dogs seem to prefer to use stud dogs that have a
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> Gosh, I hope I haven't offended anyone by that rant.  If so, I
> apologise.

I think you stated the case very clearly.

Jo
Chakolate - 03 Jan 2006 23:43 GMT
> I *AM* going to talk to my daughter about this again - if you have any
> other arguments for me to use, let me know since I know zilch about
> dogs (if it were a cat I could give her thousands of valid reasons for
> having him neutered - but then all my cats were always rescues, not
> pure-breds).

If I may, I'd like to suggest that if she wants to breed him someday, she
can always have his sperm frozen.  Remind her that keeping a male intact
without giving him an outlet is torture.  

Chak

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CatNipped - 03 Jan 2006 23:57 GMT
>> I *AM* going to talk to my daughter about this again - if you have any
>> other arguments for me to use, let me know since I know zilch about
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> Chak

Sorry for a stupid question, but I really don't know zip about d*gs.  When
can male d*gs mate?  I'm asking because the guy behind us has an intact
female Rottweiler and when she went into heat we couldn't keep her out of
our yard (about a month ago when Digger was about 10 or 11 months old).
Digger had absolutely no idea what to do with her (she was one *really*
frustrated bitch ;>), so nothing resulted.

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Chakolate - 04 Jan 2006 04:59 GMT
> Sorry for a stupid question, but I really don't know zip about d*gs.
> When can male d*gs mate?  I'm asking because the guy behind us has an
> intact female Rottweiler and when she went into heat we couldn't keep
> her out of our yard (about a month ago when Digger was about 10 or 11
> months old). Digger had absolutely no idea what to do with her (she
> was one *really* frustrated bitch ;>), so nothing resulted.

I think male dogs are usually good to go whenever a female is in heat.  
Perhaps Digger is gay.  :-)

Chak

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Jo Firey - 04 Jan 2006 05:17 GMT
>> Sorry for a stupid question, but I really don't know zip about d*gs.
>> When can male d*gs mate?  I'm asking because the guy behind us has an
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> I think male dogs are usually good to go whenever a female is in heat.
> Perhaps Digger is gay.  :-)

Male dogs might be "good to go" once they reach sexual maturity, but they
don't necessarily know where to go or what to do.  It isn't at all unusual
for breeders to have to help out inexperienced animals.

I have no idea what age a male Rotweiller reaches sexual maturity.  It
varies in dogs and bitches by breed.

Jo
Annie Wxill - 04 Jan 2006 02:24 GMT
>>...> I wish animal control would take dog-bites-dog incidents more
>>seriously - to
> me this is an indication of aggression, period!
> Lori

I may be wrong, but I'm under the impression that there is some law that
requires that in the case of an animal bite, the animal would be in
quarantine for observation of rabies.  In some cases, a pet could be
quarantined at home, but I can't imagine that a dog that was recently a
stray and bit a child in that home would be allowed to stay there for the
quarantine period.
If this dog is a recent stray, no telling what exposure he has had to
diseases, and the chances increase that it may have been exposed to rabies.
At least, the animal control people should ask for a certificate of rabies
vaccination, which I bet the dog does not have. You'd think that the
liability alone would make the animal control people do something on the
chance that the little girl might get a fatal disease.
And then, there is the issue of child endangerment on the part of the
parent.
I don't have any advice for you, but I agree that this is a really messy
situation.
Annie
Cheryl - 03 Jan 2006 02:34 GMT
> He got a shot of antibiotics and cortisone, and some antibiotic
> pills to take for the next week.  The vet said it did look like
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> the fence once we boarded it up enough to keep their faces away
> from each other).

So sad CN. I'm glad you got Digger treated. I'm sad for the pit
bull that is an innocent. He didn't have any say-so in how he was
conceived or raised. That said, he sounds dangerous. I feel bad for
the situation you're in.

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CatNipped - 03 Jan 2006 02:40 GMT
>> He got a shot of antibiotics and cortisone, and some antibiotic
>> pills to take for the next week.  The vet said it did look like
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> conceived or raised. That said, he sounds dangerous. I feel bad for
> the situation you're in.

I know, it's not the dog's fault, I'm guessing he was dumped because someone
did not know how to train him properly to be non-aggressive.  But, that
said, I am more afraid for the next child he mauls - that child might not be
as lucky as the 5-year-old was!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Chakolate - 03 Jan 2006 05:09 GMT
> And the neighbor's little girl
> has bite marks on her face, arm and leg.  *AND THEY'RE STILL KEEPING
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> owner but can't do anything further because he was behind a fence in
> his own yard when the incident happened.

Have you considered calling Child Protective Services?  If she has bite-
marks on her face, she's in danger, and the parents can be arrested for
reckless endangerment.  

Chak

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Singh - 07 Jan 2006 03:02 GMT
Continued purrs for a sweet puppy, and for this neighbor to get his act
together!

Blessed be,
Baha

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Kreisleriana - 02 Jan 2006 18:09 GMT
>Digger is still favoring his left paw, so I made an appointment for him to
>see the vet at 11:30AM CST today.  Purrs for the puppy would be greatly
>appreciated.  I'll let  you know what the vet said when we get back.

Purrs for the dear doggie.

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