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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2006Massive monster migraine :( :(
My New Year gift? Woke up with a head so big and pain filled, you'd think I had really tied one on last night. But no, I stayed home with the furballs and didn't have a drop of alcohol. There were eight deers in the yard at dusk, maybe it's their fault, cuz I stared at them and strained my eyes. > My New Year gift? Woke up with a head so big and pain filled, you'd think I > had really tied one on last night. But no, I stayed home with the furballs > and didn't have a drop of alcohol. There were eight deers in the yard at > dusk, maybe it's their fault, cuz I stared at them and strained my eyes. Sleep is the only thing that relieves these for me. The ONLY thing. You may be right about eyestrain. I got my first bad headaches when I was in school and studying a lot. Same here I suffer from vascular migraines. >> My New Year gift? Woke up with a head so big and pain filled, you'd >> think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You may be right about eyestrain. I got my first bad headaches > when I was in school and studying a lot. > Same here I suffer from vascular migraines. Think that is what kind I have? Do you throw up when you get them? I still need to ask my doctor about this. >> Same here I suffer from vascular migraines. > > Think that is what kind I have? Do you throw up when you get them? I still > need to ask my doctor about this. Some people do. Didn't we have this conversation before Cyber >> Same here I suffer from vascular migraines. > > Think that is what kind I have? Do you throw up when you get them? I still > need to ask my doctor about this. > Didn't we have this conversation before Cyber The memory is the first thing to go. :) I know I said at one point I would ask my doctor about it but I have not been back yet. Not my favorite activity, you know. > >> Same here I suffer from vascular migraines. > > > > Think that is what kind I have? Do you throw up when you get them? I still > > need to ask my doctor about this. Purrs coming that your migraine goes away soonest.  SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > My New Year gift? Woke up with a head so big and pain filled, you'd think > I had really tied one on last night. But no, I stayed home with the > furballs and didn't have a drop of alcohol. There were eight deers in the > yard at dusk, maybe it's their fault, cuz I stared at them and strained my > eyes. >Purrs coming that your migraine goes away soonest. Ditto, many purrs that you're over the migraine soon. I'm one of the lucky ones. I get a visual warning (I forget now what it's called, but it's sort of a combination of tunnel vision with what you get after a camera flash goes off in your eyes.) When I get that visual warning I can avoid most of the headache just my shutting myself off in a dark room and taking a nap. If I ignore the warning I can expect a SPLITTING headache lasting a couple days, followed by several days when I can't focus my eyes enough to read. I went through that earlier this year when I ignored the warning signs and went ahead and mowed that one last yard on the days schedule. Then I was pretty much incapacitated for a week. But, like I said, I'm lucky in getting those warnings, and besides I very seldom get them - before this year the last one was maybe three or four years ago. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >> Purrs coming that your migraine goes away soonest. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > those warnings, and besides I very seldom get them - before this year > the last one was maybe three or four years ago. I'm one of the *really* lucky ones. I not only get the visual warning (called an "aura"), that's ALL I get. No headache, no nausea. Just the flashing lights, oscillating colors and visual distortion. It lasts for 45-90 minutes, then I'm tired and drug out for a day or so, but once the visual distortion clears I'm pretty much back to normal function. I can't drive or read during the visual distortion phase, but it comes on slowly enough that I can get to someplace safe and quiet if I need to. Once I had a migraine while I was in class. I don't think my students even realized that I couldn't see my notes or their faces. Luckily I know my material well enough that I don't need my notes other than to double check that I hit all of the main points. I'll go through cycles of migraines every couple of days for 2-3 weeks and then not get any for a year or more. For me, they're a nuisance, but nothing worse. I count my blessings everytime I hear someone mention having the classic blinding, sick migraine. I really can't imagine how debilitating they must be. Katrina > I'm one of the *really* lucky ones. I not only get the visual warning > (called an "aura"), that's ALL I get. No headache, no nausea. Just the > flashing lights, oscillating colors and visual distortion. Wow, reading this, I'm struck by how similar the aura of a migraine is to the aura of an epileptic seizure. I have read that the two are related, and that migraines are a neurological phenomenon. I don't know that much about it, though, and I'm sure the folks who suffer from them could say a lot more about it. Joyce Take a baseball bat hit your self in the head till you can feel it no more stop till you can feel again that take the bat and hit yourself again by this time your whole body should be aching. Take the bat and hit yourself again till you can't feel anything now throw up. Once again take the baseball bat hit your self till you can't see or when you do see the light is worse than the baseball bat. By this time all noise hurts, you may not be able to stand due to moving hurts so much. You are ready to kill or mame the next thing that makes a noise. Make sure you go throw up this whole time again so the pain intensifies while hiding in a dark room with wet towels draped on your neck and head. In about 24 to 72 hours if you are lucky when it is finally over pick up the bat give it a good once over. Take the bat with you and hit that person up side the head who said oh you had a headache huh was it bad. <FEEL BETTER> Am I close people Matthew > > I'm one of the *really* lucky ones. I not only get the visual warning > > (called an "aura"), that's ALL I get. No headache, no nausea. Just the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joyce > Take a baseball bat hit your self in the head till you can feel it no > more stop till you can feel again that take the bat and hit yourself again [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Am I close people Somewhat... There was a time when I'd bang my head on the wall, and/or ask someone to hit me over the head to knock me out. The pain was so heavy I thought my brain would come trickling out of my nostrils. But noise and light have never been a major issue in my situation. Neither has nausea. And the headaches no longer come as often as they once did, and they're generally a lot milder these days. Which is not to say they don't hurt like heck. > In about 24 to 72 hours if you are lucky when it is finally over pick up >the bat give it a good once over. Take the bat with you and hit that person [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Matthew Close enough. However, my migraines don't last that long anymore (lucky me!) I used to get 'mild' ones that lasted for weeks at a time, but now that I'm on a medication that works, they only last maybe 20 minutes. Then they go away and I'm exhausted but pain-free. But I still get that impulse whenever someone says 'it's just a headache!' Yeah. Let me chop your arm off. It's just a cut, right? Argh A migraine isn't just a 'bad headache'. I'd take a gut-wrenching long- lasting sinus headache over any migraine, any day. I've had TMJ headaches, sinus headaches, headaches from eyestrain, muscle strain, and over-indulgence. The mildest migraine just leaves them in the dust. Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita > > I'm one of the *really* lucky ones. I not only get the visual warning > > (called an "aura"), that's ALL I get. No headache, no nausea. Just the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about it, though, and I'm sure the folks who suffer from them could say a > lot more about it. While we don't totally understand why they work, anticonvulsants are sometimes useful as migraine preventives. Generally, the first preventives that will be tried stabilize blood vessels from sudden expansion or contraction. >> Purrs coming that your migraine goes away soonest. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > those warnings, and besides I very seldom get them - before this year > the last one was maybe three or four years ago. I get those auras about twice a year. It's been going on for years like that but I've never had one that has actually turned into a headache. I just lie down on the couch and close my eyes and the aura goes away in an hour or two. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays like that and never turns into a headache. SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >My New Year gift? Woke up with a head so big and pain filled, you'd think I >had really tied one on last night. But no, I stayed home with the furballs >and didn't have a drop of alcohol. There were eight deers in the yard at >dusk, maybe it's their fault, cuz I stared at them and strained my eyes. {{{Pat}}} Hope you feel better soon! Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) Ugh. Migraines. What a way to start a year. :o( Prayers and purrs that you feel better and this darn thing dissipates immediately. Donna, Captain, and Stanley > Ugh. Migraines. What a way to start a year. :o( Prayers and purrs that you > feel better and this darn thing dissipates immediately. Not likely. The shortest one I've ever had lasted three days. Lately they've been averaging 10-14 days each time. But I do appreciate the thought. > > Ugh. Migraines. What a way to start a year. :o( Prayers and purrs that you > > feel better and this darn thing dissipates immediately. > > Not likely. The shortest one I've ever had lasted three days. Lately they've > been averaging 10-14 days each time. But I do appreciate the thought. Maybe I don't have migraines. Mine never last longer than one day. Ouch, that sucks :-( Many purrs coming up. SignatureBritta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > My New Year gift? Woke up with a head so big and pain filled, you'd > think I had really tied one on last night. But no, I stayed home with > the furballs and didn't have a drop of alcohol. There were eight > deers in the yard at dusk, maybe it's their fault, cuz I stared at > them and strained my eyes. I have had my life turned round in the last few months. I suffer from monthly migraines, lasting from 1 day up to 10 days and have had them for 30 years, with nothing helping. I've been going for acupuncture which isn't something I'd ever thought about before, because I'd tried everything else, natural and synthetic, to no avail (apart from the "pill" which I stopped taking for various reasons. I am SO much better it's like I have a new life, I still get a migraine - but only for 1 day a month now, and can get on with my life, no longer have to take time off work, I was in danger of losing my job, my friends, my DH etc as I basically had to put my life on hold for at least a week every month. I just wish I'd done it years ago, so if anyone is suffering from similar hormone related migraines, and can afford acupuncture I'd really recommend it, if it doesn't work it doesn't cost you anything (well apart from money that is). I've reduced my drug intake by about 3/4 too, which is good for my liver! If anyone wants any more info email me, I've learned about some of the pressure points that can be massaged between treatments too. Marcia >I have had my life turned round in the last few months. I suffer from > monthly migraines, lasting from 1 day up to 10 days and have had them [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If anyone wants any more info email me, I've learned about some of the > pressure points that can be massaged between treatments too. I never had the $ to try acupuncture but for a while when DH was still around we had enough between us that I could consult with a Chinese herbalist and take the formulas he prescribed. It took time (about 18 months of daily herb usage) but the headaches did become less frequent, less painful and of shorter duration as a result. I'm sure acupuncture along with the herbs would have quickened the process. But 18 months into the treatment is when DH took off along with his money (and a lot of mine as well), and I had to stop. That was almost six years ago, and since then, the headaches have gradually returned but have yet to go all the way back to as bad as they used to be. Marcia, First time I've been to a group chat about migraines, but was driven here by frustration over years of living with cycles of migraines that I can't seem to prevent, no matter how faithfully I stay away from my 'trigger's. Although mine aren't as debilitating as many people experience, they still interfer with my quality of life. If I could even get them down to 2 a month I would be estatic! I hate taking Imitrex regularly. I just recently heard that acupuncture has shown to be helpful. I'd love to know more about it, thanks in advance for anything you can tell me! Nancy > I have had my life turned round in the last few months. I suffer from > monthly migraines, lasting from 1 day up to 10 days and have had them [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Marcia For everyone who has migraines. FYI if you are just seeing your doctor you need to got a migraine clinic or a doctor specializing in migraines. Even if you only get one once in a while. When I was first diagnosed with vascular migraines that have factors including paralysis of the pupils and adreline related factors ( say that 10 times fast ). I took almost 2 years to get under semi under control and partial diagnosed but this was almost 30 years ago. Migraines were a sign of the times polite way of saying "leave" in the social circle. Doctors had very little understanding ; still the average doctor only have the journals and treat the symptoms leading to problems with medications and the PAIN still being there. My original quack of a doctor thought I had cancer, a tumor, leukemia, than near the ended accused me of taking steroids and of faking it even after the 3 MRI showed 90% of the picture was covered red indicating migraines. Needless to say he is not a doctor anymore and is dead so he can't screw anyone else life up. But it took me going to Shands hospital here in Florida and to 3 other hospitals around the US including one overseas ( I loved the overseas UK hospital the British know how to take care of patients ) I am one of the unlucky one I have vascular migraines the worst and granddaddy of migraines for me the cure is worse than the disease. For me the would have to install multiple stint or shunt on both sides of the head from the temple to the throat area. These would have to be replaced about every 2 to 3 years due to their location problem is they could move themselves or if I get hit in the head or move the wrong way well you get the picture. I currently take 2 pills a day to keep the migraines under control see for migraines last month or years. The medication keeps them from breaking thru my pain tolerance. A few years ago migraine clinics began popping up with more understandment of the disease YES is said disease that what it is considered. Migraines can be triggered by a number of things from noise at a certain frequency to the foods you eat, to the weather outside. When you go in almost any of the clinics can diagnosed you down to the T. Most of us here have only been to a doctor probably maybe got a MRI done never been to a specialist because we trust our doctor. I am telling everyone that can to go to a clinic GO. There at the clinic they talk about all type of treatments including natural ways and get you started into therapy for those who need it. People including migraine suffers may not realize this but you maybe suffering from depression and not even know it. I know and I will admit I was ready to put a gun in my mouth after 2 years of constant everyday extreme pain death was welcome. They teach you pain tolerance get you into pain therapy these people do not play around they give you your life back. Below is some interesting reading for all of you migraine suffers. I will answer an question that I can or give up experience that I have done which is every remedy natural or prescribed, and from other cultures Here are some triggers Food & food additives Alcohol (especially red wine), caffeinated beverages, nuts, nitrite/nitrate-preserved foods (hot dogs, bologna, pepperoni), smoked or pickled foods. Light Strong or glaring light. Flickering lights from TV or computer screen, strobe or laser lights, or reflections Smells / Odors Intense, specific food odors, cigarette or other smoke, perfumes, cleaning products Stress Migraine attacks often occur after stress - especially on weekends and holidays. Many people mistake these as tension headaches Weather changes High humidity, atmospheric pressure changes, rapid temperature fluctuations, and exposure to extreme heat or cold may bring on migraine attacks. Many people mistake these for "sinus headaches." Changes in sleeping habits Too little, or more often, too much sleep can trigger migraines Dieting/hunger Any change in eating habits, missed meals, change in schedule or dieting Loud noises/sounds Sudden or prolonged loud noises Caffeine Having more (and sometimes even having less) caffeine than you are used to can trigger migraines. Hormonal Fluctuations The frequency of women's migraines is sometimes said to be related to hormonal fluctuation, particularly with regard to estrogen. In many women, migraines begin just prior to, or during, their monthly menstrual period, or during treatment with artificial hormones such as birth control pills or estrogen replacement therapy. ( triggers list provided by ) http://www.migrainehelp.com/2.understanding_migraine/2.4.triggers/2.4.2.migraine _triggers.html these are clinical trials if anyone wants to do something about it http://host.veritasmedicine.com/index.cfm?wid=1152&dis=535280&did=1951&rfr=ovt here is a headache quiz http://www.migrainehelp.com/1.0.1.undiagnosed.html some common questions answered http://www.migrainehelp.com/2.understanding_migraine/2.6.faq.html Take the fact or myth test http://www.migrainehelp.com/2.understanding_migraine/2.7.myths_facts/2.7.1.know.html > Marcia, > First time I've been to a group chat about migraines, but was driven [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Marcia Also if you have a regular headache or migraine try downing( I mean down it not sip it) one or two 16 oz plus Gatorades it has been proven that Gatorade can almost stop a headache in its tracts. They are finding out dehydration also has a lot to do with headaches >For everyone who has migraines. FYI if you are just seeing your doctor you >need to got a migraine clinic or a doctor specializing in migraines. Even if >you only get one once in a while. Been there done that, made the t-shirt. I spent 3 months at doctors, seeing a different doctor every week, just to eliminate all other possibilities. I saw a dentist AND an eye doc, too. All negative. This was in my early 30s. For my teens, I did the doctor thing (but not with an HMO!) under my mother's care until we got to the ENT doc who accused me of being a hypochondriac. That's when we got fed up and stopped. Treatment was marginally successful with a chiropractor for a couple of years. But in my 30s we found a pill, a little pill really, that worked. It was cheap too. Elavil. Amitriptyline. My own personal miracle pill. For treating depression, one takes about 300mg. I take 40, for migraine prevention. It works like a charm, most of the time. >Weather changes >High humidity, atmospheric pressure changes, rapid temperature fluctuations, >and exposure to extreme heat or cold may bring on migraine attacks. Many >people mistake these for "sinus headaches." This is MINE. The doctor said that, basically, I was 'allergic to climate changes'. He suggested that I go south, so I did. That's why I live in the DC metro area now. Less snow. Less climate changes. I'd probably do better in Arizona or Texas, though. It's a consideration. Excellent post, by the way. Thanks. Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita > >For everyone who has migraines. FYI if you are just seeing your doctor > >you [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > why I live in the DC metro area now. Less snow. Less climate changes. > I'd probably do better in Arizona or Texas, though. It's a consideration. This is precisely why I sought help through oriental medicine. According to my herbalist, traditional Chinese medicine looks at the overall condition of the person to find the cause of any problem and treat the underlying imbalance. You don't usually get a quick cure that way. In my case correcting the imbalances was a complex matter and we were only partway there when I had to stop due to financial considerations. The herbs are inexpensive but even a small expense was too big of a strain on my budget. But if I ever have a little extra money again I will resume the herbal medicine path, which was definitely working for a lot more than just my headaches. Thanks for the compliment unfortunately 30 years of experience gave me the insight > >For everyone who has migraines. FYI if you are just seeing your doctor > >you [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Jane > - owned and operated by Princess Rita > >For everyone who has migraines. FYI if you are just seeing your doctor you > >need to got a migraine clinic or a doctor specializing in migraines. Even if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > hypochondriac. That's when we got fed up and stopped. Treatment was > marginally successful with a chiropractor for a couple of years. In my teens, I ran into something of that as well. All the specialties you suggest are intuitively reasonable, but the real headache experts are usually neurologists. > But in my 30s we found a pill, a little pill really, that worked. It was > cheap too. Elavil. Amitriptyline. My own personal miracle pill. For > treating depression, one takes about 300mg. I take 40, for migraine > prevention. It works like a charm, most of the time. Most headache specialists would consider that one of the first choices for migraine prevention. It's also useful in a variety of chronic pain syndromes. Other first-line, inexpensive drug classes would be a beta-blocker such as propanolol, or a calcium channel blocker such as verapamil. There are other alternatives, and, if one doesn't work in a month or two, it's not useful to keep trying it. 300mg dose, by the way, is pretty much the maximum dose, and limited by side effects. If someone needs that much, it's usually best to switch them to a lower dose of the chemically related nortriptyline. know all about inderal or propranolol been on it for 20 plus years got some good side effects to it including some weird dreams. They have also been looking into arthritic ( ??? ) medication. take tolectin a beta blocker that is also used in TMJ plus arthritis treatments Howard that was me about the vascular part I just gave a lamen term instead of having to describe and name all the major arties in the head are the culprits in my case causing too much or too little blood. Unlike regular migraines having it in spots mine are complete all thru the head all the vessel are involved >> >For everyone who has migraines. FYI if you are just seeing your doctor >> >you [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > side effects. If someone needs that much, it's usually best to switch > them to a lower dose of the chemically related nortriptyline. I can only speak from my own experience. Mine are hormone related migraines, always arrive either the day before my period (sorry if I'm being explicit here!) or on day 5, no pain killers work, some take the edge off, but most do nothing but give me a stomach ache and I'm scared of getting addicted to them. I have been on Pizotifen which is prophelactic (spelling?) migraine treatment, which did help a little, but I couldn't cope with the side-effects, since I've had the acupuncture I've stopped taking them. Acupuncture has helped me so much, everyone says I'm a different person. I dont know if it will work for other types of migraine, but I can only reiterate that if you can afford it, or know how to get it cheap/free (I know in the UK some private healthcare pays for it, or some, not mine, GP's can prescribe it), my GP said he'd not heard of hormone related headaches and treated me (or not) accordingly. If yours are hormone related, there's a pressure point just inside your knee, try pressing along the inside of your lower legs and if you find a spot that feels bruised when you touch it, that's the point, it's in the same place on both legs. I always thought I was clumsy and bruising my legs, but it was the pressure point related to hormone headaches (apparently). I massage it between treatments when it hurts to the touch, and it also seems to help. I wish I could help you more, I can only say if you are able to try acupuncture give it a go, at least it's not a toxic medicine, not that I'm saying those aren't great for people that they work on, if you're like me you'll try anything, but you do have to stick with it. Your acupuncturist will probably ask that you try to reduce or stop your medication after a few treatments, to check that it's working and that they're not working against each other. That really scared me but as I am paying £35 per treatment (now down to once a month instead of twice) I gave it a try, I had nothing to lose and now I don't take the tablets. I will have to keep going once a month from now on, and still feel ill for about a day a month, but I think the money's worth it, and if I added up the money I was spending on pain relief which didn't really help, as I couldn't get anything on presciption that worked without making me feel sick, it is probably cheaper in the long run. Hopefully after a few months (I've only been going for 3 months) I won't have to go any more. I am just praying that the treatment doesn't stop working. If anyone's in London and wants the phone number of my guy let me know, he was recommended to me and I'd never see anyone who I wasn't sure about, in case they weren't qualified (I guess that's obvious though) - he's just been out in Thailand treating Tsunami victims, along with 20 other acupuncturists, they saw 2,000 people who hardly spoke English! He also treats drug addicts and says it really helps them. Sorry about the length of this post, but I feel so passionate about it, I wanted to share and if it helps anyone else, I'd be delighted. All the best Marcia > Marcia, > First time I've been to a group chat about migraines, but was driven [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > Marcia > I can only speak from my own experience. Mine are hormone related > migraines, always arrive either the day before my period (sorry if I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but I couldn't cope with the side-effects, since I've had the > acupuncture I've stopped taking them. Acupuncture certainly can work, and if it works for you, great! As far as preventive drugs, there are quite a few different classes, some of which will work for some people but not for others. I'm getting the impression that the standard of practice in the UK is not to try as many different classes. A rule of thumb, among headache specialists (i.e., usually neurologists, or sometimes anesthesiologists subspecializing in pain management), is to go to preventive (prophylactic) medication if the migraines occur more than once a month or so. Whether or not prophylactic drugs are prescribed, once there's a solid diagnosis of migraine, you should also be prescribed one of the more modern, fast-acting rescue drugs. Again, there are several classes. There are clinical subtypes of migraine, such as with and without aura. I was a little confused by an earlier reference to "vascular" migraine, since all true migraines involve dilation of blood vessels such that they press on pain sensors. In other words, I can't imagine what a non-vascular migraine would be. The older migraine drugs such as ergotamine work by constricting blood vessels. Even the newer triptan family of drugs constricts vessels, but by a more specific mechanism than ergotamine. This is the reason, however, that triptans aren't prescribed for people with known cardiovascular disorders. Many of the preventive drugs are also used, usually in higher dosages, for high blood pressure. Their preventive effect on migraine appears to be stabilizing the expansion and contraction of blood vessels. Perhaps some of the confusion comes from "migraine" being used informally as a term for severe, recurrent headache. There are other potential causes of severe headache, such as cluster and muscle contraction. There may be some overlap in prevention and treatment, but some of the others have other treatments. For example, early in the start of a cluster headache, breathing 100% oxygen for a few minutes will often abort it. Non-drug therapies certainly are recognized approaches to treating migraine and other severe headaches. >> I can only speak from my own experience. Mine are hormone related >> migraines, always arrive either the day before my period (sorry if I'm [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Non-drug therapies certainly are recognized approaches to treating > migraine and other severe headaches. About 1994, at work, a shelf about a foot above my head (I'm not short) gave way and dumped several large metal heavy canisters right on my face/forehead. Did not lose consciousness; it was a medical clinic; had "facial bone series" xrays (results negative) and sprouted an almost immediate left "black eye". Felt OK except for some soreness of nose/cheek; doc said I'm going to Rx a drug for your headache; do you want a narcotic pain med? I replied, "H*** no, I don't have any headache....I just don't GET headaches". Doc laughed and said, "You WILL get a headache; you have a concussion. I will Rx an NSAID (strong Rx ibuprofen-type drug) for you." I went about my life and very early the next am I was awakened by the most awful pain - not in my face, but on top of my head! It continued nonstop for 3 weeks. I was sure glad to see my one and only-ever headache go away. Even more welcome than the "black-eye" fading.This was not a migraine or cluster. I was very surprised to have that headache. how to fix my grain go outside scream to top of unmgs eeeowwwww! about 30 sec do it again do it again do it again till feel headrush do it again and one more to re-assire self control come back in, and say, well.... I think will make some cornbread with these hotwings you know, soul food "chickenwing" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote. > I think will make some cornbread > with these hotwings Mmm, are you having hot wings? I love hot wings. that is not right hotwings and cornbread don't go together don't you mean fried chicken and cornbread chitins and cornbread soup beans and corn bread > "chickenwing" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote. > >> I think will make some cornbread >> with these hotwings > > Mmm, are you having hot wings? I love hot wings. There you go again, with your foreign food! So please explain to a Brit what chitins and soup beans are (if you can be bothered that is). Marcia > that is not right hotwings and cornbread don't go together > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Mmm, are you having hot wings? I love hot wings. Actually it should be Chitterlings (chitlins) damn spell checker http://www.chitlinmarket.com/recipe.html basically fried or boiled pig intestines some are stuffed and used other ways soup beans are just as they sound http://www.recipesource.com/soups/soups/00/rec0046.html this recipe use 5 beans I use 19 beans looks like this http://www.shop.com/op/aprod-p6718547?sourceid=1 soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this say you will love this http://www.recipelink.com/mf/33/61 this recipe is the southern version using only pinto beans. I between 12 and 19 beans varieties I even have some fried chicken recipes that will make you go yeaeie dogs that some good chicken > There you go again, with your foreign food! So please explain to a > Brit what chitins and soup beans are (if you can be bothered that is). [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > >> > Mmm, are you having hot wings? I love hot wings. Chitterlings sounds absolutely disgusting to me, something like haggis or tripe. Being a veggie I'll pass on the chicken, but am always interested in bean recipes. Marcia > Actually it should be Chitterlings (chitlins) damn spell checker > http://www.chitlinmarket.com/recipe.html [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >> > > >> > Mmm, are you having hot wings? I love hot wings. > soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this say you > will love this http://www.recipelink.com/mf/33/61 > this recipe is the southern version using only pinto beans. I "Soup beans" (I never heard them called that before, either; we just call them pinto beans) are actually very healthy. If you leave out all the animal fat. Dump in a little brown sugar, a very small amount of ketchup, some onion, salt & pepper and they're much better without all that disgusting fat floating around on the top. If you really like meat in them, you can still use canadian bacon, lean ham or something. Sherry >> soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this say >> you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry In New Orleans they're made with pickled pork. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > >> soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this say > >> you [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In New Orleans they're made with pickled pork. > -- Pickled pork? I've never heard of that. Is it canned, jarred or homemade? kili >> >> soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this say >> >> you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > kili In New Orleans you can find it in the fresh meat section - most people just call it "pickle meat", but it's labeled "pickled pork". I haven't seen it sold anywhere else in the US, and there is nothing that I've found that tastes as good in "red beans and rice". Living here in Houston DH and I make it with pork sausage, but it's not the same - *SIGH*. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote : > > Sherry > > In New Orleans they're made with pickled pork. I make 15-bean soup with freshly made hot italian sausage, diced carrots, and just a little diced tomato. A little shredded cheddar on top, and mmm. Also great with leftover holiday ham, but the key is to fry it up first. No the key is the beans soaked for at least 2 days try it than :-) > "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote : >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Also great with leftover holiday ham, but the key is to fry it up first. > No the key is the beans soaked for at least 2 days try it than :-) > No the key is the beans soaked for at least 2 days try it than :-) Hmm. Well, maybe, but I would still fry up the ham. I made the most amazing soup just after christmas and that made all the difference. The ham wound up kind of shredded. It was gobble-up good. As for health, the little bit of meat added to flavor beans is nothing compared to the health benefits of the beans and vegetables in the soup, particularly if you are careful about skimming the fat and draining/blotting the meat after cooking. > "Soup beans" (I never heard them called that before, either; we just > call them pinto beans) are actually very healthy. If you leave out all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry I use them for refrieds, but I don't really refry them. Sautee some onion (sweet yeallow and a couple green with tops) and green pepper, throw in your drained pre-cooked beans (I cook them in the crockpot overnight), and add some chili powder, onion powder and fresh garlic and Jalapeno if you have one. Cover and simmer with a couple tablespoons of salsa. Yum! These are one of our staples. If you ate at our house, you'd swear we were both part Hispanic, based on most of our meals... I don't like smoked meats in beans, but I think it's because I don't like most meats, anyway. I eat them mainly because of convenience. -L. > I use them for refrieds, but I don't really refry them. Sautee some > onion (sweet yeallow and a couple green with tops) and green pepper, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > at our house, you'd swear we were both part Hispanic, based on most of > our meals... Adding a bit of cumin during the last 15-20 minutes of cooking helps make beans less of a gas danger. > I use them for refrieds, but I don't really refry them. Sautee some > onion (sweet yeallow and a couple green with tops) and green pepper, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -L. I forgot onion. I use that too. Garlic would be good, too. My mom used to add just a little bit of soda, I really don't know why. We top them with chow-chow, or sweet squash relish. After you get used to the veggie beans, it funny how the meat thing makes them taste nasty to me. Sherry >> I use them for refrieds, but I don't really refry them. Sautee some >> onion (sweet yeallow and a couple green with tops) and green pepper, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to add just a little bit of soda, I really don't know why. > Sherry Baking soda in beans cuts down the 'gassiness'. Jill Just take bean o capsule problem solved > Just take bean o capsule problem solved True, but if you're serving a crowd whatcha gonna do, hand out Bean-O as an appetizer? ;) How do you make your cornbread? Kentucky is technically north of the Mason-Dixon; please don't tell me it's sweet like cake! I use, at best, 1 Tbs. of sugar in my cornbread. Here's my soup beans (actually, bean soup, same concept LOL) with cornbread, all gussied up for New Year's Eve a few years ago. http://community.webshots.com/photo/74365720/74365823TtOJGp Jill > > Just take bean o capsule problem solved > True, but if you're serving a crowd whatcha gonna do, hand out > Bean-O as an appetizer? ;) I never found Beano to be very effective, myself. What I do to reduce the gas-o-genic property of beans is: right at the beginning, I cook them on high for about 10 minutes. Then I *dump out* the water, rinse off the beans really well, and even wash out the pot. Then I start over, and this time I cook them normally. Only at this point do I add any other ingredients for soup or stew or whatever. I find that beans (and other legumes, such as lentils and split peas) have far fewer anti-social effects when cooked this way. Joyce > What I do to reduce the gas-o-genic property of beans is: right at the > beginning, I cook them on high for about 10 minutes. Then I *dump out* > the water, rinse off the beans really well, and even wash out the pot. > Then I start over, and this time I cook them normally. That's how to do it. You rinse away some of the nutrients this way but they are so full of great stuff it hardly matters. >What I do to reduce the gas-o-genic property of beans is: right at the >beginning, I cook them on high for about 10 minutes. Then I *dump out* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >find that beans (and other legumes, such as lentils and split peas) >have far fewer anti-social effects when cooked this way. Do you find you can do that with split peas, or do they get too mushy to fast? SignatureWayne M. > Do you find you can do that with split peas, or do they get too > mushy to fast? Well, I always cook them until they're completely mushy anyway. Most of the time I'm making split pea soup, and I don't want discrete peas, I want one big mush. :) Joyce - hmm... split pea soup... that sounds pretty good right now... >> Just take bean o capsule problem solved > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jill I thought the Mason-Dixon was the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland. Wouldn't that be north of Kentucky if it extended that far west? Bean soup sounds good. And I have some in the freezer. Jo Runs as far down in-between Kentucky and Tennessee > > Just take bean o capsule problem solved > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mason-Dixon; please don't tell me it's sweet like cake! I use, at best, 1 > Tbs. of sugar in my cornbread. One tbsp or less; or sometimes none at all. Cornbread, IMO is best when cooked in a cast iron skillet that's been heated really hot before pouring the batter in. Can't stand the cake-like cornbread. Sherry >>> Just take bean o capsule problem solved >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sherry I had an interesting experience in 2000 when I was sent to the Boston area to attend some classes. My best friend, Paula, had moved up there after she got married to her Bostonian fiance. Born and raised in west TN, she knew how to make cornbread :) We were walking around downtown Boston. Stopped in one of those little basement bars to have a beer. The waiter brought around complimentary cornbread. That, in itself, is weird in a bar. She said, "You won't like it; they don't know how to make cornbread up here." What the heck, I took a bite. It was like corn CAKE. Not cornmeal [pan] cakes, like CAKE. All it needed was some frosting, it was so sweet. Yeesh! We had a good laugh over that. Jill Got your email Jill loved the site here is some recipes from up north. I thnk I am going to go make my self a hot brown right now sounds good to me Some Kentucky recipes if thought Kentucky is not southern http://southernfood.about.com/cs/kentuckyrecipes/a/kentucky_2.htm I have one of these makes cooking and serving it so much easier http://www.pans.com/products/Lodge_Cornbread_Skillet_10961.html A couple of recipes for cornbread Quick version 2 cups yellow corn meal 1/2 cup flour 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 3 tablespoons sugar 2 teaspoons baking powder 4 eggs 1 1/4 cups buttermilk 1/2 stick butter Mix all dry ingredients together. Stir eggs into buttermilk and add to dry mixture. Melt butter inside heavy iron skillet. Coat skillet with butter on all sides. Pour remaining butter from skillet into cornbread batter and mix thoroughly. Pour the cornbread batter into hot skillet and bake in a 375 degree oven. Cook bread until it has a golden brown crust (approximately 25-30 minutes). Personaly you have to use a flour or corn meal called 3 rivers it is only avaiable in Kentucky and it has a unique taste you would swear your grandma cooked the cornbread. You have to have a season iron skillet I still had my great grandparents to use till I put it away as a keep sake it being over a 100 years old My favorite recipe INGREDIENTS: 1 tablespoon vegetable oil 2 1/2 cups white cornmeal 1 cup all-purpose flour 2 teaspoons salt 2 teaspoons baking powder 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 1 cup buttermilk 1 cup low-fat milk 2 large eggs is use brown eggs 2 tablespoons Canola oil or melted butter for skillet PREPARATION: Preheat oven to 400°.Add about 1 tablespoon of vegetable oil to a 10-inch seasoned iron skillet; place in oven. In a mixing bowl, combine the meal, flour, salt, baking powder and soda. In another bowl, whisk buttermilk and milk with eggs and Canola oil or butter Gradually fold milk mixture into dry ingredients, folding and mixing just until all dry ingredients are moist. Using oven mitts or potholders, carefully remove the hot skillet from the oven; swirl slightly so oil coats sides of pan. Pour batter into the skillet then return to oven. Reduce heat to 350°. Bake cornbread for 35 to 45 minutes, until it pulls away from sides of pan and is lightly browned. Cut into squares or wedges. My new pan I don't have to worry about that >> soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this >> say you will love this http://www.recipelink.com/mf/33/61 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry That almost sounds like ranch style beans... just add a bit of minced jalapeno. To me (down here in west Tennessee) soup beans are dried white (Great Northern) beans. You don't have to cook them with a ham hock or other pork, although that's traditional. If you do, you can chill the beans after cooking and simply spoon off the solidified fat then reheat the beans. I do that when I prepare chicken and beef stock. Now, for just plain ol' (vegetarian) soup beans of this type, soak 1 lb. of beans in a deep pot with water enough to cover the beans well, overnight with a lid on. (Or use the quick-soak method, meaning bring the beans with water to a boil, then turn off the pot and set it aside, covered, for an hour). Drain and rinse the beans, then place them back in the pot. Add about 6-8 cups water (you may also use chicken stock or broth for more flavour), diced onion, diced celery, 2-3 cloves of minced garlic, a couple of bay leaves, 1/2 tsp. pepper and maybe 1 tsp. salt (taste and adjust when they are done). Bring to a boil; cover the pot and reduce heat to a low simmer. Cook them on very low heat about 4 hours or until the beans are tender. Don't let the water cook away; add more if you need some. Them are soup beans :) Jill > That almost sounds like ranch style beans... just add a bit of minced > jalapeno. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cooking and simply spoon off the solidified fat then reheat the beans. I do > that when I prepare chicken and beef stock. This goes without saying. It is easier to get the fat out of soups and stews than anything else. > Now, for just plain ol' (vegetarian) soup beans of this type, soak 1 lb. of > beans in a deep pot with water enough to cover the beans well, overnight [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > on very low heat about 4 hours or until the beans are tender. Don't let the > water cook away; add more if you need some. Them are soup beans :) I like navy beans with bits of tomato and onion, no garlic. Garlic's for black beans! You know talking about this stuff brings back memories of sitting on the front porch with all the family on a cool summer night all of us drinking sweet tea or lemonade. All of us shucking the corn, stringing up green beans or if my great grand ma was there her churning the butter. Now that was living :-) But now if I saw any of my family doing that I would ask them if they just file bankruptcy or were broke. Money changes people destroys family life if you let it. :-(( My family looks at me like I am nuts when I dry out green beans and string them up. or I start making preserves or such. But they love the cooking. I wish I had a root cellar but you dig that deep here in Florida you will drown They all look at me when I cook Kentucky recipes ( note people call Kentucky cooking southern cooking can't be southern cooking we are north of the mason Dixie line ) I make my family some Burgoo ( before anyone ask it is a thick meat and vegetable stew similar to Brunswick stew the name comes from uneducated people with heavy accents unable to pronounce barbeque ) Benedictine (a sandwich spread made with mayonnaise, cream cheese and cucumber, and colored with green food coloring, parsley, or spinach) ( freaks the kids out being green) My favorite the Hot Brown ( I will put a link for the recipes at the bottom of the post ) Every family event I do something that was only done for wedding it is called the stack cake. What you do is make cake layers of what ever flavor you want and when the family members or friends show up you put apple filling in between each layer. The old sayings says the more layers the more popular you were. I do it for friends and family as they arrive at special events Even though Kentucky is a northern state they list it as southern food http://southernfood.about.com/cs/kentuckyrecipes/a/kentucky_2.htm > You know talking about this stuff brings back memories of sitting on the > front porch with all the family on a cool summer night all of us drinking > sweet tea or lemonade. All of us shucking the corn, stringing up green beans or shelling peas or butter beans! (like most city people my elder relatives were country people. > or if my great grand ma was there her churning the butter. Now that was > living :-) > But now if I saw any of my family doing that I would ask them if they > just file bankruptcy or were broke. Money changes people destroys family > life if you let it. :-(( Lack of money can do the same thing, NMR. > My family looks at me like I am nuts when I dry out green beans and string > them up. or I start making preserves or such. But they love the cooking. I > wish I had a root cellar but you dig that deep here in Florida you will > drown That's true. What are you doing in FL, anyway? > That's true. What are you doing in FL, anyway? Move here to many years ago when my dad developed deteriorating arthritis it was eating the bone from the inside out. They told he to go to some place warm if he wanted to slow the disease. He refused to leave the USA. He lived in Texas and California before Hawaii was out of the question. There was a couple family members from my mom's side retired here so here we are; been here so long we stayed. I would love to live on some quaint seashore or mountain retreat away from everything and everyone. Personally I would love to at least summer and winter retreat in Australia, the coast of Greece or Spain. ( Dreams can come true I hope) But my family, friends and shelters ( I can't wait to get back to work at soon) come first no matter what. So till everyone is ready to do there own thing I have to wait to return to the farm in Kentucky or get my total relaxation > You know talking about this stuff brings back memories of sitting > on the front porch with all the family on a cool summer night all of > us drinking sweet tea or lemonade. All of us shucking the corn, > stringing up green beans or if my great grand ma was there her > churning the butter. Now that was living :-) That actually sounds idyllic to me. My father was born in 1924. He grew up during the depression in western Pennsylvania. He talks about having to pick dandylion greens for his mom to cook. Or turnip greens after digging the turnips. To this day, he won't eat greens of any kind (except spinach, which is a rather upscale green LOL). He calls it "poor food". They raised chicken for eggs and he'd occasionally have to kill and pluck a chicken. I still shuck corn. I'd much rather buy fresh corn than frozen or canned corn. > But now if I saw any of my family doing that I would ask them if > they just file bankruptcy or were broke. Money changes people > destroys family life if you let it. :-(( Yeah, it does. Just for grins, you might be interested in flipping through this catalog: www.lehmans.com It's from the Amish country where they still do things like that. I've ordered a number of items from them over the years. (snippage of other interesting things, no offense!) Jill Jill for corn take it and leave it in the husk you can cook it on the BBQ when the husk starts to blacken the corn is done. Or take the corn wrap it in a wet paper towel still in the husk and put it in the microwave for about 4 to 5 minutes no more boiling water I found this site about southern cooking scroll down and tell me that the Baked Chilean Sea Bass or the Chicken With Cranberries and Orange Sauce is not tempting http://southernfood.about.com/ > Jill for corn take it and leave it in the husk you can cook it on > the BBQ when the husk starts to blacken the corn is done. Or take > the corn wrap it in a wet paper towel still in the husk and put it in > the microwave for about 4 to 5 minutes no more boiling water Oh I often cook corn in the husk on the grill. Got a few hints for you there, too :) Soak the corn in cold water at least 30 minutes. It will still roast up nicely, but the husks won't blacken (at least not quite so fast) and the corn will still be done. Another nice idea (after soaking) is to peel back the husks, remove the cornsilk, then brush liberally with butter and lay a few fresh herb sprigs along the corn. Thyme, basil, parsley, even rosemary if you like that. Fold the husks back over the corn and then roast them on the grill. I worked with a woman who did a variation of this. She'd peel back the husks and remove the cornsilk, then use a "brush" made from herb sprigs to brush the butter over the corn prior to roasting. > I found this site about southern cooking scroll down and tell me > that the Baked Chilean Sea Bass or the > Chicken With Cranberries and Orange Sauce is not tempting > > http://southernfood.about.com/ Tempting, but Chilean Sea Bass is from waaaaay further south than we are! :) Uh, like from Chilea? I don't consider that down-home southern cooking. I suppose if one were raised on the big plantations back in the day... I've got a couple of cookbooks that allude to 7 course meals. I'm more of the day-to-day cook. Speaking of southern cooking... I spent a few years in the South Carolina "low country" and love a good She-crab soup. But tonight I'm going to be preparing bay scallops (from Chesapeake in Maryland). Simply sauteed in butter with a bit of salt & pepper. I'll serve it over angel-hair pasta with a light cream sauce. Herbs yet to be decided; something delicate so as not to take away from the natural sweetness of the scallops. Jill (can you tell I love to cook?) I am going to make buttermilk soft shell crabs wraps tonight for dinner got to go out and find a real crusty bread at the bakery for it. Bacon wrapped scallops and an angel hair pasta with a light 5 bean sauce sounds like a plan for me. Crabs are already soaking in the buttermilk go to run out to the store at least I can drive again > I am going to make buttermilk soft shell crabs wraps tonight for > dinner got to go out and find a real crusty bread at the bakery for > it. Bacon wrapped scallops and an angel hair pasta with a light 5 > bean sauce sounds like a plan for me. My parents live in the Carolina low-country. It's so easy to net up blue crabs there and when they are shedding their shells, they are soft-shelled crabs. Unfortunately, Dad is too old to go crabbing with me anymore :( > Crabs are already soaking in the buttermilk go to run out to the > store at least I can drive again Good meal wishes! Sounds excellent! Jill It was < burp> excuse me :-) >>> soup beans and corn bread is an old mountain folk dinner try this >>> say you will love this http://www.recipelink.com/mf/33/61 [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Jill Yes, Jill, my Daddy hailed from Middle Tenn. (a farm boy from a tiny little place on top of a smallish mountain east of McMinnville near Sparta)and the white Great Northern were "his" kind of beans he grew up eating there. We had them often when I was a kid. Thank you NMR for the recipe links: maternal side of family was Cajun and I like the King Cake recipe in "Cajun" dishes....with one exception - as required "tiny china doll" buried in cake would probabliy remove a few teeth when bitten down on, I think the rubbery pink plastic ones they use nowadays would be far safer, don't you? LOL I love King Cake (easy to get in FL during Mardi Gras season, but unknown to the populace here. I can now make my own when the time comes. Thanks again. Dnr my real name is Matthew just for future reference. I remember the little doll we used if you remember the little ceramic toy civil war soldiers. I remember a few people forgetting to check and they had to go to the dentist. Specially when bread pudding for some reason was always served at Sunday dinner or a barn raising I have so many links and recipes all some one has to do is ask. Cooking I take pride in something about making a mess and being patted on the back for it > Actually it should be Chitterlings (chitlins) damn spell checker > http://www.chitlinmarket.com/recipe.html > basically fried or boiled pig intestines some are stuffed and used other > ways yeah, i go in the grocery store and see womens buggys full of pig ears, brains, tripe, bucket-o-chitterlings...feet...mystery. I think this is passed down from when this was what was for dinner i've never eaten these things yet, I could see some feet since there is meat on them sure, it does not look appetizing, but even the bitter is sweet to the hungry soul you can also put a potatoe in with boiling chitlins to soak stink out of them you have to wash the poop out first..whew Barry never knock anything to you try it You are still young you don't know what you are mixing >> Actually it should be Chitterlings (chitlins) damn spell checker >> http://www.chitlinmarket.com/recipe.html [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > of them > you have to wash the poop out first..whew > Barry never knock anything to you try it > You are still young you don't know what you are mixing maybe you would do well on that show where they eat bull nuts and spider legs if you eat them with curdled cow blood and twiddled up birdy feet, you get $50,000.00 fear factor There is nothing wrong with rocky mountain oysters with a little hot sauce you ought to try haggis that would put some hair on the young butt of yours ( John would love it ) Spider legs not on my list maybe frog legs or crab legs A little to weird for me on that show but a little Mrs.Dash and some hot sauce you can eat anything >> Barry never knock anything to you try it >> You are still young you don't know what you are mixing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get $50,000.00 > fear factor > There is nothing wrong with rocky mountain oysters with a little hot sauce oh i eat the hell out of some oysters, we don't have them fresh around here. and they charge arm and leg where they are fresh. like awful authors i eat sardines sometimes..eeeewww |
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