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Magic Mood Jeep© - 30 Dec 2005 18:06 GMT
Recently listened (on my iPod) to Dean Koontz' Frankenstein, Book 2 (for
those of you who've not read it, it seems that Dr. Frankenstein has survived
all these 200+/-years, and is still creating his monsters, and has changed
his name to Victor Helious.  Also his original monster is still alive, going
under the name of Dukasian, and is trying to stop him, with the help of some
local cops.  The setting is pre-Katrina New Orleans, and Helious has
replaced about 1/2 the police force, all the local politicians and
high-ranking officials with 'replicants' that he's made in an attempt at
(what else) global domination).

Anyway, in one scene, the two cops, one of whom is female, and has an
autistic younger brother that she is the caretaker of, go to her
housekeeper's sister's home.  She answers the door holding a black cat -
said cat is wearing a blue beret with a red tassel on it, and is described
as being very unhappy about the beret.  Sister puts down the cat and it
proceeds to "shake of the embarrassing beret, and runs off, probably to call
the ACLU to report the indignities it has just suffered".  I was LOL at this
part!  Although I think that Koontz might have gotten ACLU and ASPCA
confused... :)

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NMR - 30 Dec 2005 18:27 GMT
Very good  series
> Recently listened (on my iPod) to Dean Koontz' Frankenstein, Book 2 (for
> those of you who've not read it, it seems that Dr. Frankenstein has
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> at this part!  Although I think that Koontz might have gotten ACLU and
> ASPCA confused... :)
jmcquown - 30 Dec 2005 22:31 GMT
> Recently listened (on my iPod) to Dean Koontz' Frankenstein, Book 2
> (for those of you who've not read it, it seems that Dr. Frankenstein
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> suffered".  I was LOL at this part!  Although I think that Koontz
> might have gotten ACLU and ASPCA confused... :)

Koontz went from a rather bad writer to a very good writer to what I now
consider a mediocre writer.  Frankenstein 2?  Mary Shelley would be rolling
in her grave :)

Jill
Magic Mood Jeep© - 30 Dec 2005 22:50 GMT
>> Recently listened (on my iPod) to Dean Koontz' Frankenstein, Book 2
>> (for those of you who've not read it, it seems that Dr. Frankenstein
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>
> Jill

It's called Book 2 because it's a continuation of his own story.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-4656081-2548032?url=inde
x%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=Dean+Koontz+Frankenstein&Go.x=7&
Go.y=6


Book 1 is subtitled Prodigal Son
Book 2 is subtitled City of Night

Rather interesting concept, I thought.  And they do mention Mary Shelly (as
not having written fiction, but an actual historical accountings of what
happened all those years ago)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Dec 2005 22:51 GMT
> Koontz went from a rather bad writer to a very good writer to
> what I now consider a mediocre writer.

That's an interesting trajectory!

I read a number of his books in the late 90s. I loved the first one
I read, because I had no idea what to expect. It truly spooked me, and
had a fantastical but nonetheless fun conclusion. That one was called
"The Sound of Thunder" (I think that's the title - it's about a woman
in the hospital with severe injuries from a car crash she doesn't
remember, when suddenly she sees 4 men hanging around, who had murdered
her boyfriend many years prior in college). Another one I liked was
about a bunch of different people who were terrified of the dark, but
couldn't remember why. Oh, I also loved the one about the genetically
engineered golden retriever (along with the engineered monster thing
that was roaming the countryside killing everything in sight). I think
that one was called "Watchers" and was made into a movie, which I've
never seen.

But after a while, the books started to feel very formulaic to me. He
really went overboard with telling the reader what to feel - he'd go
on and on describing scenes with as many horror adjectives as he could
come up with, as though he was afraid that people wouldn't get it that
what he was writing was creepy, unless he pulled out every synonym for
"horrifying" in existence. :) He either thought his readers were stupid,
or he badly needed an editor.

Last, I got really sick of all the self-righteous lecturing in his
books, about how society's gone downhill because people don't take
"personal responsibility", yadda yadda yadda. I just want a good story,
I don't need a moral lecture, especially when they're bogus morals.

So he got better, eh? Whenabouts would you say his books started to
improve, and how did they improve? And did he dump the boring moralizing?
I'd be happy to check him out again if you can recommend a good book,
or maybe a good year, to start with.

Thanks,
Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Dec 2005 23:01 GMT
> "The Sound of Thunder" (I think that's the title - it's about a woman
> in the hospital with severe injuries from a car crash she doesn't
> remember, when suddenly she sees 4 men hanging around, who had murdered
> her boyfriend many years prior in college).

I just looked it up on Amazon, and it's called The *House* of Thunder.

> Another one I liked was
> about a bunch of different people who were terrified of the dark, but
> couldn't remember why.

"Strangers".

Joyce
PatM - 31 Dec 2005 01:03 GMT
Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
Christopher Snow series is due out soon and I await it impatiently!
Sure, some of his books hold my interest better than others.  Watchers,
the one with the golden retriever, was good...the movie they made from
it sucked big time.  Tick-tock, an early one, is another fav.  Everyone
is different.  For instance, I liked the early works of Stephen King
much better than what he writes now, but I know several people who
would debate me to the death about that!

PatM
CatNipped - 31 Dec 2005 01:12 GMT
> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> PatM

Yep, me too.  For me "The Shining" was the epitome of his works and he kind
of went downhill after that.

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Yoj - 31 Dec 2005 06:19 GMT
> > Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
> > as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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> Yep, me too.  For me "The Shining" was the epitome of his works and he kind
> of went downhill after that.

Speaking of lousy movies made from good books!  ;-)  Stanley Kubrick's "The
Shining" was awful!  OTOH, the movie of "The Green Mile", which I loved, was
very true to the book, and excellent.  IMNSHO, of course.

Joy
Wayne Mitchell - 31 Dec 2005 15:09 GMT
>Speaking of lousy movies made from good books!  ;-)  Stanley Kubrick's "The
>Shining" was awful!  OTOH, the movie of "The Green Mile", which I loved, was
>very true to the book, and excellent.  IMNSHO, of course.

And it can work just the other way, too.  "Dolores Claiborne" is
utterly unreadable, but what a marvelous movie it made.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 31 Dec 2005 22:00 GMT
> And it can work just the other way, too.  "Dolores Claiborne" is
> utterly unreadable, but what a marvelous movie it made.

I agree! That's one of my favorite films ever. But that's because while
the book is a fair-to-poor Stephen King novel, the movie is a Kathy Bates
movie, and she gave one of the best performances of her career in that
film.

I am so glad they decided to leave Vera's "sh*tstorms" out of the movie.
King does have the unfortunate habit of veering from horror to just plain
grossness.

Joyce
Yoj - 04 Jan 2006 06:41 GMT
>  > And it can work just the other way, too.  "Dolores Claiborne" is
>  > utterly unreadable, but what a marvelous movie it made.
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>
> Joyce

Yes, I've noticed that too.  Every one of his books has to have at least one
gross-out scene, and usually several.  :-(

Joy
jmcquown - 31 Dec 2005 11:01 GMT
>> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
>> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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> Yep, me too.  For me "The Shining" was the epitome of his works and
> he kind of went downhill after that.

Ahem, 'The Shining' was Stephen King.

Jill
CatNipped - 31 Dec 2005 15:16 GMT
>>> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
>>> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>>> another fav.  Everyone is different.  For instance, I liked the
>>> early works of Stephen King much better than what he writes now, but
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^

>>> I know several people who
>>> would debate me to the death about that!
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>
> Jill

Yeah, that's who we were talking about (the conversation had devolved as
usual! ;>).

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Rhonda - 31 Dec 2005 16:20 GMT
>>>Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
>>>as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> Jill

I don't get the "ahem." They were talking about Stephen King too.

This is how our conversations went at Christmas, not everyone kept up
with the changes -- it was pretty confusing.

Rhonda


jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 31 Dec 2005 01:39 GMT
> Tick-tock, an early one, is another fav.

He seems to have a lot of books that either have "Tick-Tock" in the
title, or is the name of one of the characters, or it's part of some
menacing thing a creepy person or creature likes to say. There seem to
be a whole series of Tick-Tock-related books. :)

I read one that was about a young, disturbed man who had built a kind
of "golem" (a soulless, Frankenstein-like creature that nonetheless has
a very real physical presence and can do damage). He also had the ability
to stop time for everything except himself, and when time was stopped, he
would direct the golem to do horrible things to people and then leave. And
then the guy behind the scenes would restart time, and the people who were
affected had no idea what happened. Example: he filled one guy's house
with giant tarantulas while time was stopped. To the guy, the tarantulas
just suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Another: he sent the golem to a
rave, stopped time, broke a woman's arm off, then restarted time. To her,
one minute she was dancing, and the next, her arm was gone.

The guy who was directing the whole thing never left his own house, which
was a fortress. But nobody suspected him, because he did everything using
his psychic powers. Only the main character was able to figure it out.

Did you read that one? I forget the name of it. However, the phrase
"Tick Tock" figured big in that book, I think it was part of a rhyme
or something the psycho guy liked to say. It might even have been part
of the book's title. Since I read that book, I've come across several
others that are similar in name, if not in storyline.

Joyce
PatM - 01 Jan 2006 01:44 GMT
Example: he filled one guy's house
with giant tarantulas while time was stopped. To the guy, the
tarantulas
just suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Another: he sent the golem to a
rave, stopped time, broke a woman's arm off, then restarted time. To
her,
one minute she was dancing, and the next, her arm was gone.
The guy who was directing the whole thing never left his own house,
which
was a fortress. But nobody suspected him, because he did everything
using
his psychic powers. Only the main character was able to figure it out.
Did you read that one? I forget the name of it. However, the phrase
"Tick Tock" figured big in that book}}

This one doesn't ring a bell.  Don't think I have read it.  But yes,
I've noticed Koontz uses that phrase "tick-tock" more than once.  Or
even in a name...like Jimmy Tock.  Interesting.

PatM
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 01 Jan 2006 02:41 GMT
>> Example: he filled one guy's house with giant tarantulas while time
>> was stopped. To the guy, the tarantulas just suddenly appeared out
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>
> This one doesn't ring a bell.  Don't think I have read it.

I looked it up on Amazon - it's called Dragon Tears.

Joyce
Yoj - 31 Dec 2005 06:17 GMT
> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> PatM

I tend to agree with you about Stephen King, except I don't like most of his
short stories, whenever they were written.  I go through spells when I
devour anything by Deen Koontz, then there will be times when I don't want
to read any of his stuff.  I agree that some are better than others.  I
especially liked the one with the Golden Retriever, but there were others
that were about as good.  I'm glad I didn't see the movie.

As long as we're already off topic, and talking about movies - I saw The
Producers earlier today.  I had seen the play and enjoyed it.  I must say,
it is one play that translated well to the big screen.  Several people in
the audience applauded at the end.  They have "curtain calls" during the
credits, and a few people applauded some of those, too.

Joy
jmcquown - 31 Dec 2005 11:08 GMT
>> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
>> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> Joy

People, you are mixing up Kootz with Stephen King!  I read my first S. King
novel in 1976... Carrie, I think it was.  The movie was horrid; Sissy Spacek
and a bucket of blood.  King's movies were awful until someone made
'Firestarter' and then 'Christine' and actually used his input and dialogue.

The best book he ever wrote, IMO, was 'The Stand'.  I'll read that again and
again.

As for The Green Mile, not only a fantastic book but also a movie that I own
and watch again and again.  And the soundtrack by Thomas Newman is
outstanding.

Jill
Magic Mood Jeep© - 31 Dec 2005 15:34 GMT
>>> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of
>>> animals
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>
> Jill

My favorite SK book is It.  The movie was 'made for TV' and not that great
(Tim curry as Pennywise the Clown!!!!), but it did stick to the book pretty
much, although a couple of my favorite parts are left out due to time
constraints (as is, it is over 3 hours).  I like to book as when they are
describing 'the barrens' (a wooded section near the middle of town), they
say that there are access point to the sewer system there, concrete Morlock
Holes (read HG Wells' The Time Machine), and in my hometown (not where I was
born, but where I grew up) there is a wooded strip that is close to
downtown, and runs behind the house where I grew up.  There are also these
concrete sewer access sites (lidded with manhole covers).

Anyway, my favorite part of the book is during one of the flashbacks to
their childhood, one of the main characters, Bev, is taking a shortcut
through the city dump (back in the 1950's, it wasn't just garbage, but cars,
appliances and everything else) in order to get home *quick* as she has to
pee.  Bad.  While near the middle of the dump, she hears voices - recognizes
them as belonging to the school bully & his cohorts.  She hides in a junked
car so as not to be picked on by them.  The funny part is that curiosity
eventually gets the better of her, and she creeps around to a vantage point
where she can see what they are doing.  She sees all three of them with
their pants around their ankles, and thinks they are 'going number two'.
But then, one of them farts - and flames shoot out his bum!  They are
lighting farts!  Thus she gets the giggles - and nearly wets herself.
Remember, she had to pee in the first place?  Being all scrunched up in a
hot, smelly junked car, and trying not to laugh too loudly that they will
hear her makes her have to pee all the more, and she gets the giggles even
more.  SK also digress as to how the boys got all gassy in the first place,
about how the head bully's single dad's girlfriend will, every Wednesday,
bring over a huge pot of beans for supper, and it lasts them the rest of the
week, even with the bully bringing enough to school to share with his
cohorts.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 31 Dec 2005 23:00 GMT
"Magic Mood Jeep?" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

> While near the middle of the dump, she hears voices - recognizes
> them as belonging to the school bully & his cohorts.  She hides in a junked
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> hear her makes her have to pee all the more, and she gets the giggles even
> more.  SK also digress as to how the boys got all gassy in the first place,

He certainly does have a fixation on elimination functions, doesn't he?
I think he confuses this with horror.

Joyce
PatM - 01 Jan 2006 01:51 GMT
He certainly does have a fixation on elimination functions, doesn't he?

I think he confuses this with horror.  Joyce }}

Did you ever read one of his very early short stories about a kid who
threw up at a blueberry pie-eating contest at a blueberry festival?  It
causes everyone to start vomiting blueberries.  Ugh.

PatM
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 01 Jan 2006 02:45 GMT
> Did you ever read one of his very early short stories about a kid who
> threw up at a blueberry pie-eating contest at a blueberry festival?  It
> causes everyone to start vomiting blueberries.  Ugh.

Didn't this then get stuck into the movie Stand By Me? Not my favorite
part of that movie.

Joyce
PatM - 01 Jan 2006 05:25 GMT
causes everyone to start vomiting blueberries.  Ugh.

Didn't this then get stuck into the movie Stand By Me? Not my favorite
part of that movie. Joyce }}

It's been so many years since I saw that movie I don't recall.  I
remember everybody coming to see the body by the tracks, and the kids
barely outrunning the train because that happened to someone in our
family...except that he didn't make it.

PatM
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 01 Jan 2006 10:51 GMT
> It's been so many years since I saw that movie I don't recall.  I
> remember everybody coming to see the body by the tracks, and the kids
> barely outrunning the train because that happened to someone in our
> family...except that he didn't make it.

There was a scene when the kids are camping in the woods, around the
fire, and the main character (the writer, forget his name) told a story
to the others, about a blueberry pie contest where one kid ate so much
he puked all over everything. Because it was a film, they were able to
enact that scene, so you got to see it all in living color. I never read
the story that Stand By Me is based on ("The Body"), so I don't know
if the eating contest story scene is actually in that story, or if they
took it from another King story and stuck it into the movie.

I hope that made sense. It's almost 3AM and I'm a little less alert
than usual. :)

Joyce
jmcquown - 01 Jan 2006 14:33 GMT
>  > It's been so many years since I saw that movie I don't recall.  I
>  > remember everybody coming to see the body by the tracks, and the
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>
> Joyce

I don't remember the blueberry scene as being in the story "The Body".  It
was basically a tale about pre-teen boys sticking together and going to look
at some dead guy.  Pretty gross when you think about it.

Jill
NMR - 31 Dec 2005 23:04 GMT
Best made for movie by these 2 authors was Cujo for King  and  Phantoms or
Watchers( they both equally tied in my book) for Koontz
I always love how King is always in the movie somewhere some how
jmcquown - 01 Jan 2006 05:12 GMT
> Best made for movie by these 2 authors was Cujo for King  and
> Phantoms or Watchers( they both equally tied in my book) for Koontz
> I always love how King is always in the movie somewhere some how

King is following in Hitchcock's footsteps in that regard.  You can find
Alfred in every film if you look closely enough.

Jill
Yoj - 31 Dec 2005 19:20 GMT
> >> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
> >> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> Jill

Not mixing them up at all.  We're discussing both, because their genre is
the same.  My first sentence above referred to Stephen King, as stated.  The
rest of my paragraph applied to Koontz, again as stated.  Maybe you're the
one who is mixed up.  ;-)
Joy
PatM - 01 Jan 2006 01:35 GMT
The Stand was awesome.  There are parts of IT that got under my skin
and I will probably always remember.

PatM
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 31 Dec 2005 13:11 GMT
> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> PatM

You should try to watch the _Watchers_ that had Marc Singer.  The one
with Corey Haim (or that other Corey) was soooo bad, but the one with
Singer at least tried to follow the trajectory of the story (and Singer
was an adult male, like the book, not some teen heart-throb).  Now a
warning, it wasn't a great film, but it was much more like the story.

Smokie Darling (Annie) - Koontz, John Saul, Stephen King, Richard
Laymon, I love horror writers.
jmcquown - 31 Dec 2005 18:47 GMT
>> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
>> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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> Smokie Darling (Annie) - Koontz, John Saul, Stephen King, Richard
> Laymon, I love horror writers.

Watchers is my very best loved Koontz book.  His use of the dog in the book
was great.

Jill
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 31 Dec 2005 22:08 GMT
> >> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of animals
> >> as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in the
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>
> Jill

Oh yeah, I completely agree.  I mean, I liked Whispers and Phantoms and
all those others, but Watchers was the first one where you realized his
adoration of Golden Retrievers (which nearly matches me).  Einstein, I
just loooooved Einstein.  Wouldn't you want him in your house?

SD (Annie)
jmcquown - 01 Jan 2006 05:14 GMT
>>>> Dean Koontz is one of my favorite authors.  I love his use of
>>>> animals as actual characters, with personalities.  His 3rd book in
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>
> SD (Annie)

You bet I'd want him in my house!  Hey, fella!  My dog Sampson wasn't a
golden but was nearly as smart ;)

Jill
 
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