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NMR - 29 Dec 2005 18:26 GMT
Rabies alert in Osceola county
http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813&tm
l=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H


http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr
Old Salt - 29 Dec 2005 19:03 GMT
> Rabies alert in Osceola county
> http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813&tm
l=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H

>
> http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr

I am of the opinion that cats should live only indoors in the lap of
luxury with all necessary vaccinations. This will in fact eliminate the
possibility of rabies and numerous other feline diseases.
cybercat - 29 Dec 2005 19:24 GMT
> > Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813&tm
l=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H


> > http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr
>
> I am of the opinion that cats should live only indoors in the lap of
> luxury with all necessary vaccinations. This will in fact eliminate the
> possibility of rabies and numerous other feline diseases.

I'm with you, Old Salt, but the UK crowd is going to disagree. They have
this "be fwee, wild creature" thing going, though of course cats are not
wild at all.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Dec 2005 23:11 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.anecdotes cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm with you, Old Salt, but the UK crowd is going to disagree. They have
> this "be fwee, wild creature" thing going, though of course cats are not
> wild at all.

Maybe this is because the UK has been almost 100% rabies-free for the
past 100 years? Also, there are no predators of cats in that part of the
world. So in rural and even suburban areas, it's reasonably safe for a
cat to go outdoors. Certainly, for the benefits to the cat, it's worth
whatever risks there are.

The risks are much greater in the US, but I would respect most who
choose to let their cats out (depending on the environment), because I
think there are compelling arguments on both sides of that issue. And
anyway, didn't we agree not to judge each other about this? It would
only develop into a flame war which will never be resolved.

Joyce

PS - trimmed newsgroups to RPCA
Edward  Chimiel - 30 Dec 2005 03:05 GMT
I agree as well.  I have 5 babies and none of them even want to go outside.
They were all orphans at one time, all from different litters, and were
outside.  They know where the good life is.

>> > Rabies alert in Osceola county
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> this "be fwee, wild creature" thing going, though of course cats are not
> wild at all.
bali_ultimate@yahoo.com - 30 Dec 2005 14:11 GMT
And my cat is desperate to get out all the time. I don't think it's
because she's mistreated. Some cats want different things.
kilikini - 29 Dec 2005 19:05 GMT
> Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H

> http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr

Supposedly, Pasco County, where I live, has the largest incidences of rabies
right now.  It's illegal to not immunize your animals yearly.  I'm
oscillating between getting fined or giving my "kids" another yearly rabies
shot, however.  I've heard they can contract some sort of illness from the
yearly shots and all the immunization they need is every *3* years.  My cats
are indoor cats anyway.

Does anyone else have info on this?

kili
dnr - 29 Dec 2005 19:56 GMT
>> Rabies alert in Osceola county
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> kili
Recent vet trip with all 3 cats for rabies shots revealed new 411 to me: vet
stated recent findings made known to vets are that 3-year vaccine provided
questionable protection for all 3 years (on % basis, like 80/20
effective/not effective - what if your cat was in the 20%?)
in studies of the 3-year vaccine. OTOH, the 1-year vaccine proved 100%
effective for full year against rabies.
Vet also informed me that even though my cats never go
outside and we have no screen nor way for them to interact with other
animals, the germs of any of the deadly
viruses protected against by the other immunizations can
come in on your shoes or pants legs - body secretions of any kind from
infected animals, so I opted for the full series of shots as well as their
rabies shots. AFA the "illness" from rabies injection site: it's a form of
sarcoma
cancer in very small % of rabies vaccine recipients; and
for this reason my vet injects vaccine into a rear leg instead of between
shoulder blades as IF (not likely) your cat would develop this lump there
(the sarcoma) a life-saving amputation would be far easier - gruesome detail
but I valued his honesty and care. I didn't ask if
the sarcoma - rare but a reality - develops more in the 1
or 3-year vaccine injection sites, but since I'd already rejected the 3-year
for reasons noted above, it didn't matter to me.Hope this helpful to you;
it's the law to give
cats/dogs rabies shots here also but believe me the cops are too busy to run
around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in
Florida.
kilikini - 29 Dec 2005 20:26 GMT
> >> Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
> > 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in
> Florida.

Thanks for the heads up, dnr.  I'll ask my vet; my "kids" are due for their
shots in January, I believe.

kili
Dan M - 29 Dec 2005 21:16 GMT
> Thanks for the heads up, dnr.  I'll ask my vet; my "kids" are due for their
> shots in January, I believe.
>
> kili

Rabies and FeLV vaccines are both known to cause sarcomas in some of the
animals they're injected in to. However, that problem is not caused by the
viral component of the vaccination, but by the adjuvants - other things
added to improve the efficacy of the vaccine. While improving efficacy is
a noble goal, I'm not willing to expose my kitties to sarcoma
unnecessarily. PureVax does not contain adjuvants.

One of the other reasons for injecting rabies vaccine into a rear leg is
to identify which vaccine caused any sarcomas that show up. I don't have
notes in front of me, but the standard recommendation is to inject rabies
vacc into one of the hind legs, FeLV vacc into the other. But using
non-adjuvanted vaccines makes those concerns pretty much a non-issue.
Howard C.  Berkowitz - 29 Dec 2005 21:38 GMT
Rabies vaccine is given only to humans at high risk, such as
veterinarians, people who expect to be in the remote areas of countries
with large numbers of rabid animals, etc.  Given the hazards of the
booster vaccines, however, people who have been vaccinated are tested
first for blood antibody levels.

If the levels are adequate for protection, no booster is needed that
year. If they are low, then the booster is given.

I don't know the costs of the antibody testing, but, if this were made
an option for cats, it might constitute a scientifically valid method
of exposing the furkids to the least possible number of rabies
vaccinations.
Karen - 29 Dec 2005 20:37 GMT
Well, my two are no longer getting shots AFAIC because of other health
issues. However, of note is that both Grant and SUgar were/are lump kitties
and we had switched to the new purevax shots. More expensive but guaranteed
not to cause reactions and it is true, they never had "the lumps that
wouldn't go away for months" once we switched to that. They are yearly, but
I think they are indeed safer. Just some more FYI.

> >> Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
> > 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in
> Florida.
dnr - 29 Dec 2005 22:05 GMT
> Well, my two are no longer getting shots AFAIC because of other health
> issues. However, of note is that both Grant and SUgar were/are lump
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>> around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in
>> Florida.
My cats are very large and very fiesty and during the injections, so much
commotion was going on with both the tech and me restraining them I didn't
notice which shot went into which leg (!) but it seemed like a waste of
money to get the 3-year rabies if vet said studies proved it not effective
for the full time. None of my cats over years have ever got any lumps at
injection site nor sarcomas. I
was amazed re the revelation about germs traveling into
house by foot (mine). We live and learn. The cats were upset bigtime by our
vet visit - not by their treatment, but
just coincidence - LOL - Santa was there that day, posing for photos with
many large dogs, who, while waiting, came over to sniff the doors of my
carriers, initiating much hissing, "popping", and yelling from the
incarcerated ones.
Jo Firey - 29 Dec 2005 22:09 GMT
> it's the law to give
> cats/dogs rabies shots here also but believe me the cops are too busy to
> run around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in
> Florida.

As far as I know, cats are still not required to have rabies shots in
California.  And that reminds me, required or not I need to get Molly in for
her shot.  She most definitely is an outdoor cat and rabies season will be
here shortly.  In addition to protecting her health, the shot insures we
won't have to pay for very expensive quarantine if there is another local
rabies problem such as we had several years ago.  We will go with the one
year shot since she does actually need the full protection.

Jo
Ollie - 30 Dec 2005 14:49 GMT
My cat had a very bad reaction to the rabies vaccine, almost died.  It didn't
show up for a week either.  She had a very high fever and had stopped eating.
The vet claimed there was no way for there to be a reaction after a week and
wouldn't even check on the possibility of a reaction until two more cats
showed up with the same thing.  The whole bill was over $800.00 but the
vaccine company reimbursed $200.00.  They would have reimbursed everything
except the stupid vet ran every test in the book before she checked with the
vaccine company.  Tigger never went there again.  Now that is my standard
question to every new vet.  I explain the symptoms and the fact that the
vaccine was given a week prior and ask what they would check first.

>>> Rabies alert in Osceola county
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in
>Florida.
laurie w - 30 Dec 2005 05:03 GMT
> Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H

> http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr

Supposedly, Pasco County, where I live, has the largest incidences of
rabies
right now.  It's illegal to not immunize your animals yearly.  I'm
oscillating between getting fined or giving my "kids" another yearly
rabies
shot, however.  I've heard they can contract some sort of illness from
the
yearly shots and all the immunization they need is every *3* years.  My
cats
are indoor cats anyway.

Does anyone else have info on this?

kili

which of the vets  around is 'your' vet ??
we have been here in pasco county for 3 years now....... koko  ( the cat
with feline herpes)  was a few months late getting her shots, cuz she
was ill at  the time they were due...  the vet agreed with me to wait
until she was not having an outbreak.

laur

mom to
kady koko and d*g gabby
www.richandlaurie.com
kilikini - 30 Dec 2005 13:40 GMT
> > Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
> 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> kady koko and d*g gabby
> www.richandlaurie.com

I live in Zephyrhills and I go to Dr. Roberts off 301.  I like him and he
really seems to love animals.  Some vets are cold, you know?  Where are you
located?

kili
laurie w - 31 Dec 2005 01:04 GMT
> > Rabies alert in Osceola county

http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881

3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H

> > http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> kady koko and d*g gabby
> www.richandlaurie.com

I live in Zephyrhills and I go to Dr. Roberts off 301.  I like him and
he
really seems to love animals.  Some vets are cold, you know?  Where are
you
located?

kili

We are near rt 19, and go to pasco animal hospital on 19 just north of
main st in new port richey, they are just south of  a lincoln mercury
dealership there. It was a practice of 3 vets, and was just bought out
by a newcomer to the area, and only one of the former vets stayed.
Prices have of course tripled.... they do a lot more 'preventative'
measures now, covering their butts and recommending lots of testing and
doing xrays and stuff...... spay/neuter used to cost 50-75 ish bucs, now
its 125...they do preop tests...use the new  meds for anesthesia and
stuff..  I guess I liked it more in the olden days when if i wanted the
fancy stuff, I could ask for it, but if things were routine, then all
was ok, and it didnt cost a fortune.  Never once had they recommended
dental cleanings for our doggie, and  the first time she was seen by the
new regeime,  it was she needs cleaning, needs anesthesia, needs preop
testing before anesthesia, needs to have a test done on her heart before
anesthesia because of a heart murmmer.  The ultimate cost for a very
needed teeth cleaning was $1800  - but no previous vet ever even
recommended it.
We also have Koko who i have written about previously who has recurrent
uri's and  feline herpes.  The 'new' improved vet has never even heard
of 3/4 of the meds that she is on, but when i read online about feline
herpes, its not really NEW treatments, or NEW meds  that she is on.....
So , we just go with the flow sorta, and see how they do treating her.

this page http://pascoanimalhospital.com/750722.html has a pic of koko
when she was just a tiny baby....... the staff there are wonderful to
us, always take us if there is an emergency (during normal times) ......
so that  is mostly why we have stayed so far.
 And i guess, because when we do want to try something new or that they
havent heard of, they do at least try to work with us, at least so far.
:)

laurie
www.richandlaurie.com

koko
kady
gabby
 
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