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For those who live in Florida Rabies alert
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NMR - 29 Dec 2005 18:26 GMT Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813&tm l=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
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Old Salt - 29 Dec 2005 19:03 GMT > Rabies alert in Osceola county > http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813&tm l=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H > > http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr I am of the opinion that cats should live only indoors in the lap of luxury with all necessary vaccinations. This will in fact eliminate the possibility of rabies and numerous other feline diseases.
cybercat - 29 Dec 2005 19:24 GMT > > Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2653055048813&tm l=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> > http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr > > I am of the opinion that cats should live only indoors in the lap of > luxury with all necessary vaccinations. This will in fact eliminate the > possibility of rabies and numerous other feline diseases. I'm with you, Old Salt, but the UK crowd is going to disagree. They have this "be fwee, wild creature" thing going, though of course cats are not wild at all.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Dec 2005 23:11 GMT In rec.pets.cats.anecdotes cybercat <boagrrl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with you, Old Salt, but the UK crowd is going to disagree. They have > this "be fwee, wild creature" thing going, though of course cats are not > wild at all. Maybe this is because the UK has been almost 100% rabies-free for the past 100 years? Also, there are no predators of cats in that part of the world. So in rural and even suburban areas, it's reasonably safe for a cat to go outdoors. Certainly, for the benefits to the cat, it's worth whatever risks there are.
The risks are much greater in the US, but I would respect most who choose to let their cats out (depending on the environment), because I think there are compelling arguments on both sides of that issue. And anyway, didn't we agree not to judge each other about this? It would only develop into a flame war which will never be resolved.
Joyce
PS - trimmed newsgroups to RPCA
Edward Chimiel - 30 Dec 2005 03:05 GMT I agree as well. I have 5 babies and none of them even want to go outside. They were all orphans at one time, all from different litters, and were outside. They know where the good life is.
>> > Rabies alert in Osceola county >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > this "be fwee, wild creature" thing going, though of course cats are not > wild at all. bali_ultimate@yahoo.com - 30 Dec 2005 14:11 GMT And my cat is desperate to get out all the time. I don't think it's because she's mistreated. Some cats want different things.
kilikini - 29 Dec 2005 19:05 GMT > Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr Supposedly, Pasco County, where I live, has the largest incidences of rabies right now. It's illegal to not immunize your animals yearly. I'm oscillating between getting fined or giving my "kids" another yearly rabies shot, however. I've heard they can contract some sort of illness from the yearly shots and all the immunization they need is every *3* years. My cats are indoor cats anyway.
Does anyone else have info on this?
kili
dnr - 29 Dec 2005 19:56 GMT >> Rabies alert in Osceola county >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > kili Recent vet trip with all 3 cats for rabies shots revealed new 411 to me: vet stated recent findings made known to vets are that 3-year vaccine provided questionable protection for all 3 years (on % basis, like 80/20 effective/not effective - what if your cat was in the 20%?) in studies of the 3-year vaccine. OTOH, the 1-year vaccine proved 100% effective for full year against rabies. Vet also informed me that even though my cats never go outside and we have no screen nor way for them to interact with other animals, the germs of any of the deadly viruses protected against by the other immunizations can come in on your shoes or pants legs - body secretions of any kind from infected animals, so I opted for the full series of shots as well as their rabies shots. AFA the "illness" from rabies injection site: it's a form of sarcoma cancer in very small % of rabies vaccine recipients; and for this reason my vet injects vaccine into a rear leg instead of between shoulder blades as IF (not likely) your cat would develop this lump there (the sarcoma) a life-saving amputation would be far easier - gruesome detail but I valued his honesty and care. I didn't ask if the sarcoma - rare but a reality - develops more in the 1 or 3-year vaccine injection sites, but since I'd already rejected the 3-year for reasons noted above, it didn't matter to me.Hope this helpful to you; it's the law to give cats/dogs rabies shots here also but believe me the cops are too busy to run around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in Florida.
kilikini - 29 Dec 2005 20:26 GMT > >> Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
> > 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H > >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in > Florida. Thanks for the heads up, dnr. I'll ask my vet; my "kids" are due for their shots in January, I believe.
kili
Dan M - 29 Dec 2005 21:16 GMT > Thanks for the heads up, dnr. I'll ask my vet; my "kids" are due for their > shots in January, I believe. > > kili Rabies and FeLV vaccines are both known to cause sarcomas in some of the animals they're injected in to. However, that problem is not caused by the viral component of the vaccination, but by the adjuvants - other things added to improve the efficacy of the vaccine. While improving efficacy is a noble goal, I'm not willing to expose my kitties to sarcoma unnecessarily. PureVax does not contain adjuvants.
One of the other reasons for injecting rabies vaccine into a rear leg is to identify which vaccine caused any sarcomas that show up. I don't have notes in front of me, but the standard recommendation is to inject rabies vacc into one of the hind legs, FeLV vacc into the other. But using non-adjuvanted vaccines makes those concerns pretty much a non-issue.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 29 Dec 2005 21:38 GMT Rabies vaccine is given only to humans at high risk, such as veterinarians, people who expect to be in the remote areas of countries with large numbers of rabid animals, etc. Given the hazards of the booster vaccines, however, people who have been vaccinated are tested first for blood antibody levels.
If the levels are adequate for protection, no booster is needed that year. If they are low, then the booster is given.
I don't know the costs of the antibody testing, but, if this were made an option for cats, it might constitute a scientifically valid method of exposing the furkids to the least possible number of rabies vaccinations.
Karen - 29 Dec 2005 20:37 GMT Well, my two are no longer getting shots AFAIC because of other health issues. However, of note is that both Grant and SUgar were/are lump kitties and we had switched to the new purevax shots. More expensive but guaranteed not to cause reactions and it is true, they never had "the lumps that wouldn't go away for months" once we switched to that. They are yearly, but I think they are indeed safer. Just some more FYI.
> >> Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
> > 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H > >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in > Florida. dnr - 29 Dec 2005 22:05 GMT > Well, my two are no longer getting shots AFAIC because of other health > issues. However, of note is that both Grant and SUgar were/are lump [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in >> Florida. My cats are very large and very fiesty and during the injections, so much commotion was going on with both the tech and me restraining them I didn't notice which shot went into which leg (!) but it seemed like a waste of money to get the 3-year rabies if vet said studies proved it not effective for the full time. None of my cats over years have ever got any lumps at injection site nor sarcomas. I was amazed re the revelation about germs traveling into house by foot (mine). We live and learn. The cats were upset bigtime by our vet visit - not by their treatment, but just coincidence - LOL - Santa was there that day, posing for photos with many large dogs, who, while waiting, came over to sniff the doors of my carriers, initiating much hissing, "popping", and yelling from the incarcerated ones.
Jo Firey - 29 Dec 2005 22:09 GMT > it's the law to give > cats/dogs rabies shots here also but believe me the cops are too busy to > run around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in > Florida. As far as I know, cats are still not required to have rabies shots in California. And that reminds me, required or not I need to get Molly in for her shot. She most definitely is an outdoor cat and rabies season will be here shortly. In addition to protecting her health, the shot insures we won't have to pay for very expensive quarantine if there is another local rabies problem such as we had several years ago. We will go with the one year shot since she does actually need the full protection.
Jo
Ollie - 30 Dec 2005 14:49 GMT My cat had a very bad reaction to the rabies vaccine, almost died. It didn't show up for a week either. She had a very high fever and had stopped eating. The vet claimed there was no way for there to be a reaction after a week and wouldn't even check on the possibility of a reaction until two more cats showed up with the same thing. The whole bill was over $800.00 but the vaccine company reimbursed $200.00. They would have reimbursed everything except the stupid vet ran every test in the book before she checked with the vaccine company. Tigger never went there again. Now that is my standard question to every new vet. I explain the symptoms and the fact that the vaccine was given a week prior and ask what they would check first.
>>> Rabies alert in Osceola county >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >around looking for pets not having rabies tags, LOL. We do not live in >Florida. laurie w - 30 Dec 2005 05:03 GMT > Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr Supposedly, Pasco County, where I live, has the largest incidences of rabies right now. It's illegal to not immunize your animals yearly. I'm oscillating between getting fined or giving my "kids" another yearly rabies shot, however. I've heard they can contract some sort of illness from the yearly shots and all the immunization they need is every *3* years. My cats are indoor cats anyway.
Does anyone else have info on this?
kili
which of the vets around is 'your' vet ?? we have been here in pasco county for 3 years now....... koko ( the cat with feline herpes) was a few months late getting her shots, cuz she was ill at the time they were due... the vet agreed with me to wait until she was not having an outbreak.
laur
mom to kady koko and d*g gabby www.richandlaurie.com
kilikini - 30 Dec 2005 13:40 GMT > > Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
> 3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > kady koko and d*g gabby > www.richandlaurie.com I live in Zephyrhills and I go to Dr. Roberts off 301. I like him and he really seems to love animals. Some vets are cold, you know? Where are you located?
kili
laurie w - 31 Dec 2005 01:04 GMT > > Rabies alert in Osceola county http://www.local6.com/news/5699220/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=265305504881
3&tml=orlpn_dailyforecast&tmi=orlpn_dailyforecast_1_04000112292005&ts=H
> > http://tinyurl.com/cxtvr > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > kady koko and d*g gabby > www.richandlaurie.com I live in Zephyrhills and I go to Dr. Roberts off 301. I like him and he really seems to love animals. Some vets are cold, you know? Where are you located?
kili
We are near rt 19, and go to pasco animal hospital on 19 just north of main st in new port richey, they are just south of a lincoln mercury dealership there. It was a practice of 3 vets, and was just bought out by a newcomer to the area, and only one of the former vets stayed. Prices have of course tripled.... they do a lot more 'preventative' measures now, covering their butts and recommending lots of testing and doing xrays and stuff...... spay/neuter used to cost 50-75 ish bucs, now its 125...they do preop tests...use the new meds for anesthesia and stuff.. I guess I liked it more in the olden days when if i wanted the fancy stuff, I could ask for it, but if things were routine, then all was ok, and it didnt cost a fortune. Never once had they recommended dental cleanings for our doggie, and the first time she was seen by the new regeime, it was she needs cleaning, needs anesthesia, needs preop testing before anesthesia, needs to have a test done on her heart before anesthesia because of a heart murmmer. The ultimate cost for a very needed teeth cleaning was $1800 - but no previous vet ever even recommended it. We also have Koko who i have written about previously who has recurrent uri's and feline herpes. The 'new' improved vet has never even heard of 3/4 of the meds that she is on, but when i read online about feline herpes, its not really NEW treatments, or NEW meds that she is on..... So , we just go with the flow sorta, and see how they do treating her.
this page http://pascoanimalhospital.com/750722.html has a pic of koko when she was just a tiny baby....... the staff there are wonderful to us, always take us if there is an emergency (during normal times) ...... so that is mostly why we have stayed so far. And i guess, because when we do want to try something new or that they havent heard of, they do at least try to work with us, at least so far.
:) laurie www.richandlaurie.com
koko kady gabby
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