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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / December 2005Horrifying Experience
Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through the kitchen. Ben was in our living room playing a game when he heard screams coming from their yard. He ran outside and saw that a dog, he said it looked like a small pit bull / terrier mix, was attacking the 5-year-old girl who lives there. They don't own a dog, so I'm assuming it belongs to the man who was visiting her father. Ben started screaming and ran down into our back yard to try and climb the 8 foot wooden fence between our properties (don't ask me why because he wouldn't have been able to get up to the neighbor's deck from their back yard. After minutes that seemed like hours the man visiting her father came out and pulled the dog off of her. I don't know how badly she was hurt - I didn't see her being taken to the hospital (I was closed up in my office with the heater running and didn't know any of this was going on until Ben came and told me). But it can't have been good. Please send some purrs that the little girl is not badly hurt. I'll let you guys know something as soon as I hear - if I don't hear anything tonight I'm going to pay a visit there in the morning. Hugs, CatNipped > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their > doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped That really is scary. Purrs that the child isn't badly injured. MLB I am sorry to say this when are people going to learn about dogs and small children >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >> their [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > That really is scary. Purrs that the child isn't badly injured. MLB > I am sorry to say this when are people going to learn about dogs and small > children A lot of people have dogs and small children without any violence ensuing. I grew up around dogs. So did many people. Blanket statements don't help. You could just as well say, "when are people going to learn about relatives and small children?", based on the number of children who have been abused by relatives. Heck, we should ban moms and dads from being around their kids -- after all, some percentage of them beat, molest or even kill their kids!  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I am sorry to say this when are people going to learn about dogs and >> small [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > should ban moms and dads from being around their kids -- after all, > some percentage of them beat, molest or even kill their kids! I agree. I also grew up with dogs, and they were my gentle companions. On the other hand, we had collies (one at a time), and that is a breed that is known for its gentle temperament. Certain breeds (such as pit bulls) have no business around children, IMO. MaryL >>> I am sorry to say this when are people going to learn about dogs and >>> small [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >MaryL Oh no, wait a minute! As I posted below, and have done so before, I live in a neighborhood that is up to its hips in pit bulls because they permeated the local gene pool. The gangstas and pimps threw away puppies by the barrelful, and those puppies, and their descendants became the local family dogs. And I can tell you that a well-trained pit bull in a loving, caring, responsible, well-organized, well-supervised family is a completely different creature from a pit bull who belongs to some stupid, negligent, self-aggrandizing jerk of any economic class. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Make Levees, Not War >>>> I am sorry to say this when are people going to learn about dogs and >>>> small [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Make Levees, Not War All that you say is true. In fact, my uncle had a pit bull as a child that he dearly loved (although the "pit bulls" of his generation were very different than what we see today). The problem is, what if something frightens the dog or in some other way sets off an aggressive attack? Even a tiny dog can do damage, but the damage that a large -- and aggressive -- dog can do to a person (but especially to an infant or child) is almost indescribable. When you see reports of previously-friendly dogs that have suddenly attacked an killed someone, which breed is it most likely to be? MaryL > All that you say is true. In fact, my uncle had a pit bull as a > child that he dearly loved (although the "pit bulls" of his [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > MaryL It makes me so sad. I have seen some absolutely gorgeous pit bulls (don't know if they were mixed breed or full) ... with lovely dispositions. I hate to think that they are doomed. I saw one beautiful girl dog out on the trail where a friend and I were walking her dog. This pit bull stranger was approachable and friendly, and her owner, who had gotten her from a shelter, was puffed with pride at his little girl. You could tell he was in love with her. Can't blame him; she was lovely. Then again, my husband's family had an overbred golden retriever when he was a kid. The dog developed mental issues. DH still has the bite scars to prove it. I don't know if it's true that pit bulls cause the most damage to humans, or if they are more often reported as such. I don't know if it's a matter of how they were raised. I guess it's probably true that they are more disposed towards violence than other breeds. *sigh* Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Ok let me clarify what I meant since someone went off the deep end and started comparing my "blanket opinion" with child abuse and other things < no comment >. What I meant was when will parents realize that dogs ( any breed ) ( and I am going to included all pets since there can be no mistake about something said about having a cat or gecko etc. ) need to realize that small children can pose a danger or be in danger from a dog or a pet since the child has limited understandment of right and wrong. No matter how well mannered the dog, up bringing the dog has, or pure breed it has there is a danger to and from the small child. And I am not saying that the child will purposely hurt the dog but can easily do something that even the most timid of animals may cause an attack in this case the dog what nervous around quick movement. Kreisleriana I have seen those loving pit-bull that come from a great home and a good breeding stock Snap and loss it. It has nothing to do with economic class of the dog or owner it is the dog just like a cat or any pet they can loss it for what ever reason. But you are right the inbreeding and stupidity of owners make the problem worse >>>> I am sorry to say this when are people going to learn about dogs and >>>> small [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Make Levees, Not War > Ok let me clarify what I meant since someone went off the deep end > and started comparing my "blanket opinion" with child abuse and > other things < no comment >. It's pretty easy to see it was me. And in the context in which it was presented, your statement sure looked like "families with small children shouldn't have dogs." That's what I was reacting to. > What I meant was when will parents realize that dogs ( any breed ) > ( and I am going to included all pets since there can be no mistake [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of animals may cause an attack in this case the dog what nervous > around quick movement. I totally agree with what you said in the above paragraph. If that's what you meant by "when are people going to learn about dogs and small children," then I totally agree. But I think your above paragraph is much clearer =) > Kreisleriana I have seen those loving pit-bull that come from a > great home and a good breeding stock Snap and loss it. It has > nothing to do with economic class of the dog or owner it is the dog > just like a cat or any pet they can loss it for what ever reason. > But you are right the inbreeding and stupidity of owners make the > problem worse Well, are you saying pit bulls are more likely to snap, or are you saying any pet is just as likely to snap? Seems like you start out with the former and end up at the latter. I don't honestly have enough experience with the animals to have an opinion. It's just hard for me to understand the idea of an animal being vicious, or doing something vicious, despite having been raised well and shown no previous signs of aggression. I guess that's why they have those temperament tests on the animal planet shows, pulling dishes away from dogs, scolding them, etc. I don't think Puma would have passed the dish test, but he never hurt anyone in his whole life (well, except for pulling the leash too hard and causing dad to fall and break a rib, but hey, what's a rib among friends?). Puma was a lab mix, though, who looked like he had a bit of hound in him. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Monique I have been working the shelters doing animal recovery for some many years you end coming across everything. I forget sometimes that words can be taken out of context with out the voice for emphasis. My apologies I have seen the most well behaved and timid dog snap because a small child pulled it tail or someone step on its foot. The reason IMO I have seen a golden retriever the most docile of the dog breeds snap at a child for pulling on its ear As I said any animals no matter how well mannered, well trained, breed line or timid it is anything can make a animal snap. They are just like us how many people go postal for no reason The last part and about "But you are right the inbreeding and stupidity of owners make the problem worse " was to Kres on his pit bull from the ghetto line ( to some it up in short ) That breed of dog; pit bull can only be made worse by the above action with the above actions done a pit bull or any pet is a living time bomb >> Ok let me clarify what I meant since someone went off the deep end >> and started comparing my "blanket opinion" with child abuse and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > friends?). Puma was a lab mix, though, who looked like he had a bit > of hound in him. >> Ok let me clarify what I meant since someone went off the deep end >> and started comparing my "blanket opinion" with child abuse and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > friends?). Puma was a lab mix, though, who looked like he had a bit > of hound in him. Monique, it's something like border collies instinctively trying to herd other animals. It has been bred into them for so many generations that it becomes part of their instinct and temperament. Pit bull have been bred for many generations to be aggressive towards other animals their size (they can't distinguish between another pit bull in a fighting ring and a child the size of or smaller than a pit bull). Breeders take the most aggressive animals and breed *them* thus reinforcing the behavioral traits. It's not their fault, but it is a fact of life. I hear reports of other dog attacks (a few months ago a Chow bit off his owners ear here in Houston). But by far, when you hear about a dog attacking someone - especially a child - the odds are that it will be a pit bull. Animal rescuers are loathe to put any animal down, but they must take into account the danger posed by this breed and they do put down pit bulls more than any other breed. Hugs, CatNipped > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours > their doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped Healing purrs on the way for your little neighbor girl and proud headbutts to Ben from the cats for at least making an effort to help the little girl. He's a fine man. Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their > doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped Purrs are on the way. Joy >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours > their [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Joy Didn't see the original, so piggybacking off of Joy. Purrs and healing thoughts from us for that poor kid. Pam S. > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their > doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Ben started screaming and ran down into our back yard to try and climb the 8 > foot wooden fence between our properties Oh, so you lied about the fence having to be cut down, as well. Here is your quote from your post where you made a BIG deal about 8 ft being too high... "Thank gawd my son and DH are both handy and own power tools. But I'm sitting here near tears listening to them outside sawing our beautiful fence off at 6 feet! " You're *such* a liar and *such* an attention whore! You even lie for attention! -L. >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >> their [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > attention! > -L. I've been ignoring your posts, and will continue to do so after this. But I just wanted to say that it's pretty callous of you to completely ignore the plight of this 5-year-old (as you ignored the plight of a 6-year-old crying herself to sleep at night over her dog) in your rush to attack me on spurious grounds. If you're vying for the job as my secretary by recording and cataloging every word I write here, you just blew the interview. My 8 foot fence had to be cut down to 6 feet on all *street facing* sides - as is the case in most HOA property agreements. In *this* note I specifically said that Ben was trying to climb the 8 foot fence that stands between our property and our neighbor's property. Zing me, hump my posts and use all the foul language you're so obviously capable of (again, after this it will be ignored) - but as a mother, especially an adoptive mother, you'd do well to at least pretend that you care about children. So go ahead and lie about me as much as you want, but leave the children out of it please. > >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours > >> their [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > care about children. So go ahead and lie about me as much as you want, but > leave the children out of it please. Wow, somehow I missed this post - I had to catch up. I don't get the computer on the weekends much and I have to just delete posts. I know Lia from other groups, but in this case, her response to the OP is absolutely uncalled for! I'm totally shocked and appalled. I'm sorry CatNipped. kili >>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike >>> ours their [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > 8 foot fence had to be cut down to 6 feet on all *street facing* > sides I don't understand -L's (and some others) continual attempts to bash you (and some others), CN. If they don't like what you post, or don't believe what you post, or whatever, they should ignore the posts or killfile you so they don't have to be bothered by them. I find this habit of keeping track of everything someone posts, or Googling for discrepancies in hopes of catching someone in a "lie", very disconcerting to say the least. Purrs for the little girl to be okay. I wonder why that dog wasn't tied up or otherwise restrained. Jill >>>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike >>>> ours their [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Jill It's my fault, really. I got drawn into a flame war on another group. Some people, like Cheryl and Candace, were mature enough to let it go and make peace now that it's over. Other people, like Lyn, hang on to the enmity with both hands and take every chance they can to get back at me. The only problem is *I* have let it go and don't want to continue it - especially here. Thus, until this one, I've just been ignoring her jabs (and the only reason I didn't ignore this one was because it was about a child, and her callousness irked me into an ill-advised response (as you'll probably see once she starts posting and answers this)). In the last 4 month I've learned about the things that are *really* important in life, and one-upmanship on UseNet is *NOT* one of them. Hugs, CatNipped > It's my fault, really. I got drawn into a flame war on another group. Not quite. You saw a bully action in the making and your sense of fair play led you to defend the intened gang bangee. :) It was one of your best moments. Many others just hopped on the bully train and joined in on the demonization campaign. Some > people, like Cheryl and Candace, were mature enough to let it go and make > peace now that it's over. Other people, like Lyn, hang on to the enmity > with both hands and take every chance they can to get back at me. Not quite. Here is the problem: you are intelligent, articulate, and witty. You have a good life, a wonderful spouse, lovely children and grandchildren, and a bright future. Lyn is angry and jealous, insecure to the nth degree for many reasons. Attacking you and others is the way she releases her bitter disappointment regarding the choices she has made, and her own shortcomings. She is coarse, stump-stupid, and a poser who simply chose a stereotype (the self-righteous granola-crunching, PETA-following, more-organic-and-less-racist-than-thou grandstander) and stuffed her miserable life into it. She lacks the imagination and creativity to do anything original and so she must follow. She lacks the backbone to accept what she is so she is on a constant quest for one upmanship. To be a callous "been there done that" so-called expert on cats who nevertheless is so emotionally shallow that she leaps at every opportunity to advise others to return any cat with a problem to a shelter, even if it is a kill shelter. (The fact that I pointed out her heartlessness in this regard is the source of her rage toward me.) To be a plodding cataloguer of what others have said, priding herself on her "honesty" and poring over posts to find any lapse of memory or mis-spoken word that she can then do her "aHA! LIAR" thing with. ;o) Lyn is insane. And, like many of the angry variety of insane, a dangerous person. Happily, this has not gone unnoticed where it counts the most. > > It's my fault, really. I got drawn into a flame war on another group. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Happily, this has not gone unnoticed where it counts the most. I thought her name was Lia! I'm in error. Sorry! kili Talk about giving someone a B@TCH SLAP Ouch cybercat remind me not to piss you off Matthew >> It's my fault, really. I got drawn into a flame war on another group. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Happily, this has not gone unnoticed where it counts the most. > Talk about giving someone a B@TCH SLAP > Ouch cybercat remind me not to piss you off No worries, Matthew. You seem quite sweet and not aggressively insane so I imagine we will be just fine. :) > Matthew > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > > Happily, this has not gone unnoticed where it counts the most. "No worries, Matthew. You seem quite sweet and not aggressively insane so I imagine we will be just fine. :)" < he he he My master plan is working I got them all fooled > < walking away doing a sinister laugh > :-) > Talk about giving someone a B@TCH SLAP > Ouch cybercat remind me not to piss you off She's about as effective as a 2-inch flaccid penis. And just as pretty. -L. > > It's my fault, really. I got drawn into a flame war on another group. > > Not quite. You saw a bully action in the making and your sense of fair > play led you to defend the intened gang bangee. :) It was one of your > best moments. Many others just hopped on the bully train and joined > in on the demonization campaign. Really silly coming form one who has the history that you do, Nance. Should we dig up the that famous outing post again? You are about as innocent as Bin Laden, "rosefan". > Some > > people, like Cheryl and Candace, were mature enough to let it go and make [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for > many reasons. Hardly. Catnipped is a 50-something year-old third grader whining on some piss-a.s newsgroup for attention. What could there *possibly* be, to be jealous of? She's merely a source of amusement. >Attacking you and others is the way she releases her bitter > disappointment regarding the choices she has made, and her own [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stereotype (the self-righteous granola-crunching, PETA-following, > more-organic-and-less-racist-than-thou Oh, you've been following me around again. I'm flattered. Not. > grandstander) and stuffed > her miserable life into it. LOL...you had to think long and hard about that one, didn't you. > She lacks the imagination and creativity to > do anything original and so she must follow. She lacks the backbone > to accept what she is so she is on a constant quest for one upmanship. Right. Pissing you and your "me too" CatShit off is merely a hobby to me - it's fun. Too bad you take it seriously, Nance. Boo Hoo Nance Call the Cops She Used My Name, Nance. You lost this argument LONG ago with that one little phone call. It was my post about J that did it, too - about how wonderful it is to parent him. That miscarriage must have devastated you. Too bad. Your life will forever suck now. Lonely, little Nance. Think about me and my beautiful son each time you go into mourning. > To be a callous "been there done that" so-called expert on cats who > nevertheless is so emotionally shallow that she leaps at every opportunity > to advise others to return any cat with a problem to a shelter, Not every opportunity. Only people who don't know what the f.ck they are doing. > even if > it is a kill shelter. (The fact that I pointed out her heartlessness in this > regard is the source of her rage toward me.) Pffft. Kill shelter is *way* preferable than other fates, Nance. It is YOU who are simply too stupid to realize this fact. You're one of those capital-B-Bimbos who villify kill shelters because you're too stupid to realize that they are ALL kill shelters, directly or indirectly. But rag on - it's what you do best, Cemetary Girl. And you think I hate you because you think I'm callous? Please. I hate you because you ruined a perfectly good newsgroup. (And Pssst- I'm not the only one!) One that was fun to participate in, where people actually liked each other. All those people are gone now, thanks to you - you're left with Barry The Villiage Idiot, Puffed-Up Phil and a few newbie tagalongs whom you suck-ass-to-please at every post. Enjoy! Slurp, slurp, slurp! Slurp up that validation! And Congratulations! You have a lot to be proud of. H+B is now a wasteland and hell-hole. But let me ask you this...Do you *really* think I give even a half-sh.t about what you think about me? You - some puffed-up hick on the internet from the a.s-backward South? You are a dime a dozen. I lived there. I know your type. You probably even have that irritating nasal drawl. And I know exactly where you live - not exactly something to be proud of. You're white trash incarnate. Sooner or later you will Darwinize yourself. Your type always does. And the truth is, if it needs to be known, it was YOU who first attacked ME for suggesting Dally return her cat instead of dumping it in the country. YOU were the source of initial aggression. But go ahead - rewrite history all you want - it is all in the archive. >To be a plodding > cataloguer of what others have said, priding herself on her "honesty" > and poring over posts to find any lapse of memory or mis-spoken > word that she can then do her "aHA! LIAR" thing with. ;o) Doesn't take more than a good memory and a simple search - which YOU know you do all the time. So quit playing "holier than thou". Or did you psychically dig up my posts from 1998 that contained my maiden name? And what about the ones from far before that with my Brother's name? Just look at your email address - a variation of my old one. Obsessed is what you are. My friends even think you have a crush on me, it's that bad. And you don't seem to be bothered about lying. That's too bad. Good thing you will never parent a child, though. > Lyn is insane. And, like many of the angry variety of insane, a > dangerous person. > > Happily, this has not gone unnoticed where it counts the most. Right. I'm not the one calling the cops over some stupid-a.s pissing war on a newsgroup, Nance. It's just patheic that you take this - including yourself - all so seriously. Face it: nobody gives a sh.t about you, Nance. Just swallow that bitter little pill. -L. > It's my fault, really. I got drawn into a flame war on another group. Some > people, like Cheryl and Candace, were mature enough to let it go and make [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > here. Thus, until this one, I've just been ignoring her jabs (and the only > reason I didn't ignore this one was because it was about a child No, a.shole, it wasn't "about a child" - until YOU made it "about a child". Idiot. It's about your continual, habitual lying. You want my comments about that kid? Really? Here ya go: She should be removed from her household immediately and never returned. The dog should be destroyed immediately. Her parents should be fined and jailed immediately and never allowed to parent again as they obviously have no idea how to protect their child from harm. She will be damn lucky if she isn't scarred for life emotionally and physically due to the negligence of her parents. >, and her > callousness irked me into an ill-advised response (as you'll probably see > once she starts posting and answers this)). > > In the last 4 month I've learned about the things that are *really* > important in life, and one-upmanship on UseNet is *NOT* one of them. LOL...this is beyond hilarious coming from you: She who has to cry for attention every 5 minutes lest she be ignored. You are pathetic! -L. > I don't understand -L's (and some others) continual attempts to bash > you (and some others), CN. If they don't like what you post, or > don't believe what you post, or whatever, they should ignore the posts > or killfile you so they don't have to be bothered by them. I agree. CN's posts don't hurt anyone. If -L, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't like CN, why does she bother reading her posts? It's different when one poster bashes another, though. That's abusive, and I'm not the only person offended by that. By ignoring that, I'm condoning it, and I'm not going to do that. So the bottom line: if someone bores me, or gets on my nerves, or offends me with their opinions or humor or whatever, I'll killfile them. No problem. But if someone's abusive to another member, I'm not sitting by. Not the same thing at all. Joyce > I don't understand -L's (and some others) continual attempts to bash you > (and some others), CN. If they don't like what you post, or don't believe > what you post, or whatever, they should ignore the posts or killfile you so > they don't have to be bothered by them. I'm not bothered. I'm amused. > I find this habit of keeping track of everything someone posts, or Googling > for discrepancies in hopes of catching someone in a "lie", very > disconcerting to say the least. It's not very hard. See my other post. > Purrs for the little girl to be okay. I wonder why that dog wasn't tied up > or otherwise restrained. Great - tie up an agressive dog. Just what you should NEVER do. -L. > I've been ignoring your posts, and will continue to do so after this. Promises, promises! > But I > just wanted to say that it's pretty callous of you to completely ignore the > plight of this 5-year-old (as you ignored the plight of a 6-year-old crying > herself to sleep at night over her dog) Not my concern. Parent's concern. I certainly hope you reported their lack of supervision of their child to the police. As for your granddaughter - bed, made, lie for her parents. Too bad. Boo hoo! The only reason I feel sorry for her is that she has idiots for parents and Grandparents. Desitined to be an idiot too! Poor kid.... > in your rush to attack me on > spurious grounds. Spurious not. > If you're vying for the job as my secretary by recording and cataloging > every word I write here, Don't flatter yourself. All I have to do is pop in every now and then, click almost any thread and there you will be, whining or moaning or bitching about something - most of which is made up or embellished, at least. You can't go a single week without some attention-whore post. And you lie so much you can't even keep your lies straight! > you just blew the interview. My 8 foot fence had > to be cut down to 6 feet on all *street facing* sides - as is the case in > most HOA property agreements. That's not what you said before. You said the fence needed to be torn down or reduced to 6 feet. Now you change your story. You've been caught in another lie and now you are trying to wiggle yourself out of it as you always do... > In *this* note I specifically said that Ben > was trying to climb the 8 foot fence that stands between our property and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > care about children. So go ahead and lie about me as much as you want, but > leave the children out of it please. I *did* leave the "children" out of it - it is you who wants me to drag them into it. Furthermore, it is *you* who continually makes comments about *my* child. So follow your own directive, Torchie, or is it Attention Whore Queen LIE-A-LOT, today? -L. > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike > ours their doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped Lots of purrs for the little girl. Please let us know how things turn out. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their >doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >CatNipped OMD. Purrs for the little girl. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Make Levees, Not War > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their > doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > there. They don't own a dog, so I'm assuming it belongs to the man who was > visiting her father. I hate this. Hate it, hate it. I don't know what the answer is. The municipal shelter here automatically euth's all pit bulldogs unclaimed. No adoptions, ever. I used to think that was awful, now I'm not so sure. I used to say it was the owner's fault, not the dog's. Now I'm not so sure about that either. My friend's poodle was in her back yard, and sniffed the neighbor's Pit through about a 4" hole in the fence. That dog drug that poodle through that hole and killed it. The Pit was, everybody believed, a docile dog. It's when the docile ones turn aggressive & violent that is creepy. When our tenants had a pit bulldog, we had to pay extra for liability insurance on the house or they wouldn't cover the dog under the old policy. So insurance companies are well aware they can be a tragedy waiting to happen. My neice works at the medical examiner's office. Last year they had a 4-year-old dead girl with one, single wound. A bite to her throat from *her own* pit bull. Ack. This is getting too long. Purrs for the little girl. I just have an awful feeling that from what you describe, she is badly, badly injured. If it took that long to get the dog off of her. Let us know. Sherry >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >> their [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Sherry You said exactly what I feel about it. I, too, always thought that it was the owner's fault. But pit bull attacks have become so common that I think we need to step back and take a look at it. In some states you can't get home owners insurance if you have a pit bull and you have to pay higher premiums if you have a Rottweiler. Hugs, CatNipped >>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >>> their [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >CatNipped Rottweilers!!!!! Sheeeeeeeeesh!!! Am I some kind of freak because the only pit bulls and Rottweilers I've known have been total sweeties? Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Make Levees, Not War >>>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >>>> their [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Make Levees, Not War *Any* breed can have total sweeties (and also the opposite). Unfortunately, some types -- including the two you mentioned -- have been deliberately bred as fighting or guard dogs, and that means that the danger to those around them is increased. MaryL > Rottweilers!!!!! Sheeeeeeeeesh!!! > > Am I some kind of freak because the only pit bulls and Rottweilers > I've known have been total sweeties? No, you're just very lucky. I've never known any pit bulls, but the Dobermans and Rottweilers I've known have been sweet too. The problems as I see it are indiscriminate breeding, and people not learning what it means to properly train and care for pets. I am so saddened when I hear people talk about getting a dog or a cat then talking about breeding it. We have way too many animals already, as a visit to any animal shelter will show. And your average pet owner has no idea what it REALLY MEANS to breed an animal, in terms of responsibility to society and to the animals. And the people who think they want to train their dogs to be defenders of the home don't realize they are lighting the fuse on a deadly bomb. A bomb they intend to live with. >> Rottweilers!!!!! Sheeeeeeeeesh!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the home don't realize they are lighting the fuse on a deadly bomb. A bomb > they intend to live with. Large dogs, especially ones who have been bred for guard duty, or protection, should only be adopted by people who know how to train them - of course that's not the way real life works, just like you don't need training to get married or have a baby! ;> My daughter's dogs are trained to obey instantly to a voice and gesture command - this is for their own welfare, the human's welfare, and the happiness of everyone in the family. Hugs, CatNipped > My daughter's dogs are trained to obey instantly to a voice and gesture > command - this is for their own welfare, the human's welfare, and the > happiness of everyone in the family./// My dog is trained in a similar manner. She has a *LOT* of off-leash walks in the local park. I can stop her dead from a flat out run with just the tone of my voice and her name. It's taken a while, but she understands the difference between *close* (which means that she has be right next to me with her shoulder touching my leg, *heel* which means that she needs to be within 1-2 feet of me, *come* which is an instantaneous expectation (i.e. it doesn't matter what she is doing, she drops everything, comes to me and sits) and a whole host of other commands. It makes her a pleasure to walk off-leash because I know that 99/100 she'll behave impeccably. Helen M >> My daughter's dogs are trained to obey instantly to a voice and gesture >> command - this is for their own welfare, the human's welfare, and the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Helen M Yep, my daughter's dogs are trained to obey even against their instincts. This is essential to their safey - if they were running towards a busy street, one command, obeyed instantly, could save their lives. You could not feed one for a day (theoretical only - they never go for that long without eating), sit a steak down in front of them, and they will sit and look at you until you tell them it's OK to eat if they were given the "sit" or "stay" command. It makes them lovely houseguests - they are never misbehaved and listen as well as the children do if not better! Hugs, CatNipped >> My daughter's dogs are trained to obey instantly to a voice and gesture >> command - this is for their own welfare, the human's welfare, and the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > commands. It makes her a pleasure to walk off-leash because I know that > 99/100 she'll behave impeccably. A nice reminder of the goal Kayla and I have. We are still working on not lunging at her collar on leash. But since she in just eight weeks old, going for a walk on leash at all is pretty good. She is already going to the door when she needs out. I think she barked at the door a few times today, but it may have just been the cat on the back porch teasing her. At least she has learned when she barks at the door she gets out. Jo >> My daughter's dogs are trained to obey instantly to a voice and >> gesture command - this is for their own welfare, the human's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Helen M A thing I always notice with well trained dogs is, they are so much happier. Dogs being pack animals must have a leader and most of them prefer it not to be them. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >>>> their [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Am I some kind of freak because the only pit bulls and Rottweilers > I've known have been total sweeties? Yep, me too. The Rottweiler in my yard right now is the biggest sweetheart you'll ever see. His owner, my grandaughter Alexis, weighs less than he does and he is as gentle with her as a mother with a baby! Hugs, CatNipped > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > Make Levees, Not War >>>>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike >>>>> ours their [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> >> Make Levees, Not War The Humane Association where I volunteer also runs the local VIPaws - volunteers train and then register their animals (mostly dogs, but there are some cats, and a ferret, in the program) with the Delta Society http://www.deltasociety.org/. They take these animals to visit school children, the hospitalized, the homebound, nursing/elder-care homes, etc..... One of the nicest in the program that I have met is Fran - who is a pit-bull mix. she was adopted from the shelter, originally a stray so they don't know for sure exactly what she is, but she has the pit-bull shaped head and hind-quarters. She is a sweetie! When I worked our boot at the local county fair, she was there a couple of times with her owner, and we were stationed very near a 'petting zoo', with all sorts of animals that any normal dog would have strained to get at, and she just sniffed in their direction a couple of times and then sat there and looked at us as if to say "what's the big deal about a sheep?" Rottweiler if raised with small children from the beginning end up get to over protective of the children as in where the parent yells at the kid and the dog lets the parent know who is boss. >>>> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours >>>> their [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Make Levees, Not War > You said exactly what I feel about it. I, too, always thought that > it was the owner's fault. But pit bull attacks have become so > common that I think we need to step back and take a look at it. In > some states you can't get home owners insurance if you have a pit > bull and you have to pay higher premiums if you have a Rottweiler. The rottweiler thing is unfortunate. Rotties were not originally intended to be attack dogs. But I actually find this link pretty informative: http://www.amrottclub.org/introduc.htm For example: PROTECTIVE INSTINCT: Many families have purchased a Rottweiler for this trait, only to discover that it brings with it a considerable moral and legal responsibility. Problems can arise quickly; the dog may not be able to distinguish between a bear hug greeting of a family member, or a cherished friend, and the hostile advances of an intruder, particularly if the greetings between parties includes loud shouts, laughter or screams. Dogs must be carefully schooled to accept your friends into your home but physical contact should be approached carefully until the dog realizes that you belong. Strangers must never come into your yard unannounced, the dog doesn't know the difference between your brother or a burglar. Although the Rottweiler does not usually bite without provocation, even being cornered and held by one of these dogs is a very unnerving experience for meter men, delivery persons or neighbors wandering into the yard while the owner is absent. People expected to be in contact with the dog while the owners are absent should be thoroughly familiar to the dog. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their >> doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Sherry This all breaks my heart. We are hip deep in pit bulls and pit bull blood here, from about twenty years worth of throwaway puppies-- its thoroughly permeated the shelter population. Practically everyone with a shelter dog around here has at least part-pit bull-- a lot of neighbor dogs I just love to death- and are loved to death by their families-- are pit bulls, or crosses. If they tried breed-specific legislation here, it would cut a huge swath through society. Purrs for the little girl to recover. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Make Levees, Not War > I used to say it was the owner's fault, not the dog's. Now I'm not so > sure about that either. My friend's poodle was in her back yard, and > sniffed the neighbor's Pit through about a 4" hole in the fence. That > dog drug that poodle through that hole and killed it. The Pit was, > everybody believed, a docile dog. It's when the docile ones turn > aggressive & violent that is creepy. I still don't think it's the dog's "fault". Many pit bulls were bred to be aggressive in specific situations. People who run dog fighting matches use small animals as bait. The pits might be docile toward humans, but have been bred and also trained to attack small animals viciously. If someone didn't have any small animals around, they would not have had the chance to see that side of the dog's personality. I think they can be extremely dangerous (and Smudge agrees), but I have known some very friendly, sweet, and safe pit bull dogs, so I don't believe they're all bad. Joyce Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. The right side of her face is bruised and swollen and she has a black eye, but she only has some deep scratches on her cheek - the bite wound didn't puncture through her cheek. She was wearing long pants, so I didn't see her little leg, but her dad's brother told me she didn't have to have stitches. I don't think there will be any scarring on her face, I don't know about her leg. But overall, she was one *VERY* lucky little girl to get out of that so relatively unscathed. The dad's brother said that it was a stray dog they found 5 days ago and that it was just that he is very excitable when anyone moves quickly around him! *NOT* a good dog to have around children!!! :< If they didn't have to take her to the hospital, they probably didn't report it, so I don't know what they'll do with the dog. I don't see him in the back yard and I didn't go into their house, I just inquired at their front door about the baby's condition. Hugs, CatNipped > Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours > their doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CatNipped > Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* > emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > CatNipped Thanks for the update, sweetie. I'm so glad she won't be scarred on her face. What's going to happen to the dog, do you know? kili >> Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* >> emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > kili I don't know. I don't think their father is even home to make a decision about it. I think he may be away on a business trip and his brother (looks to be about 18-yo) is baby-sitting. I know if it were me I wouldn't have a known biter anywhere near my children, but I can't talk for them, I don't really know them except that the children play with my grandchildren when they are in town. I *CAN* say that my grandchildren will not be over there if they do decide to keep the dog! Hugs, CatNipped > I *CAN* say that my grandchildren will not be over there > if they do decide to keep the dog! > > Hugs, > > CatNipped Well, absolutely, that goes without saying! kili They start something here in some of the Florida counties if a pit bull, mix breed of pit or any breed of pit if there is a offensive citing against the dog they put the dog down. The owners of the dog are held completely responsible Some cities don't even allow the breed to be owned or sold. I know of some insurance companies that will not insure you if you own a pit or rotwiller(???). I know that any dog can attack but why in the world do these people have these breed of dogs notorious for mauling children and being overly aggressive. And I hate to hear oh the dog never hurt anyone before, the dog loves everyone. That was told to me once before just before a pit charged me and a animal control officer I was doing a ride along with years ago. The animal control here carry guns he drop the dog before anyone was hurt. Ever since than I carry at all times along with cap stun( in case of a nutty squirrel) >>> Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* >>> emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > CatNipped You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd even been informed about his daughter's injury, or I would call and express my concerns to *him* instead of there, but since I can't... If Amy wasn't taken to the hospital, the bites could quickly become infected and she *could* be in danger, and *could* face bad scarring on her face. Also, if they've only had the dog for 5 days, then I'm sure they don't know if he's had his shots - so the dog should be in quarantine at the very least. Maybe I should call and report the biting incident myself? What do you guys think? Hugs, CatNipped > Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* > emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> CatNipped REPORT HIM and than call the news media > You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't > have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd even [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >>> >>> CatNipped > You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't have > any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd even been [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped When you say she wasn't taken to the hospital, do you mean she wasn't taken to a doctor at all? The reason I am asking is that doctors do report dogbites and this dog *must* be quarantined. Good Lord. A dog with unknown history, and they didn't quarantine it? That's really not smart. Sherry >> You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't >> have [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Sherry I don't think so. Like I said there's this kid there who I think is babysitting. He didn't say anything like, "The doctors said she would be OK". He just said, "She's OK". And it didn't look like the wound was dressed or had had medicine applied. He was also making excuses for the dog, so they may still have him in the house (although I didn't see the dog myself). Amy was clearly traumatized, she wouldn't talk or come near the door even though she knows me well from spending so much time at my house playing with my granddaughters. She just stood at the top of the stairs looking scared. Dh is telling me to stay out of it all, but I'm tempted to go stick my nose in it some more to make sure that baby is OK. I'm going to go back over there this evening to ask about her again and I'll try to find out more then. Hugs, CatNipped > You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't have > any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd even been [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Hugs, Um, in my personal opinion (and I'm sure I'll get quite a lot of flames here, but I love animals, so....).... What was going on when the girl got bit? Do you know any details about that? Depending upon that, maybe, maybe not you should call. What does anyone else think? Calling condems an animal and I hate to see that. kili > Um, in my personal opinion (and I'm sure I'll get quite a lot of flames > here, but I love animals, so....).... What was going on when the girl got [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > kili I know where you're coming from. I usually think that way, too. But to me, it's moot in this case. The dog needs to be quarantined. If I'm understanding correctly, its history is completely unknown. Reporting a dogbite isn't necessarily a death sentence. It will just *make* them quarantine it. Of course I don't know how badly she was bitten/scratched, but man-o-mister, dogbites are nasty and so prone to infection. All rabies consideration aside, I do hope they take care of her wounds, no matter how slight they seem. Sherry > You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't > have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd even [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped Well, you probably "should" stay out of it. But I know I wouldn't. Someone has to be a responsible adult. If the child's parents aren't home and the "adult" in charge thinks everything is fine, I'd feel like I had to do something. Reporting it is all I can think of. The dog should be quarantined, the child should have medical attention. For the trauma if nothing else. Jo >> You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't >> have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Jo I saw her father's car in the drive this afternoon, so I'm sure he'll handle it - he seems to me to be a very involved dad and very responsible (his wife / the children's mother died at the beginning of this year from cancer). He's been over here several times - the last time for Alexis' birthday party. Hugs, CatNipped >>> You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I don't >>> have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask if he'd [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > cancer). He's been over here several times - the last time for Alexis' > birthday party. Good. I feel better that he is home, and I'm sure you do too. Jo >> You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I >> don't have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jo For the *trauma if nothing else* is exactly right. That poor child will probably be terrified of any dog for the rest of her life. And that's a shame. Jill > You know, the more I think about this, the more worried I get. I > don't have any way to get in touch with my neighbor to call and ask [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > CatNipped I certainly would. If the brother is as young as you think, and it was a stray dog he took in 5 days ago, there is no telling what is wrong with this dog or whether or not it will do it again, if not to this little girl then to some other child or even to the brother himself if he "moves too quickly". Jill Thank goodness the little girl is "ok", relatively speaking. Purrs and prayers this is the extent of her injuries. The dog sounds dangerous and nees to be put down, I'm afraid. Lily & her mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* > emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> CatNipped > Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* > emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too severe. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> CatNipped IMHO Yes, you should report it. The 18 year old caretaker may not have the wisdom to handle this properly. The child should also have a tetanus shot if she has not had one. Animal services may also have a "lost dog" report. If so, they might find his medical history. Best wishes. MLB The caretaker should take Amy to the doctor and let the doctor decide what needs to be done for Amy and the dog needs to be quarantined. Polonca > IMHO Yes, you should report it. The 18 year old caretaker may not have > the wisdom to handle this properly. The child should also have a tetanus > shot if she has not had one. Animal services may also have a "lost > dog" report. If so, they might find his medical history. Best wishes. > MLB >>Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. <snip> > Amy, the 5-year-old girl next door, is going to be OK. She is *very* > emotionally traumatized, but her physical injuries were not too > severe. Thank goodness for that. > The dad's brother said that it was a stray dog they found 5 days ago > and that it was just that he is very excitable when anyone moves > quickly around him! His brother just brought this unknown *stray* pitbull into a house where a child lives?! And the father permitted it?! They've got some screws loose. Jill >> Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike >> ours their doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> CatNipped >Our next door neighbors also have a second story deck, but unlike ours their >doesn't have stairs down to the back yard. They can only get to it through [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >CatNipped That is so sad. I hope the little girl will be all right. Purrs heading out her way. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) > Please send some purrs that the little girl is not badly hurt. Poor little girl. Many purrs on their way. Even if she wasn't badly hurt physically, this will surely leave her scarred for life psychologically. How horrendous. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki That poor little girl--how terrifying for her! I hope she'll be all right. Why did the visitor feel he had to bring his dog over for a visit to a house where he knew there were small children???? He could have left the dog in his car if he had to bring the dog with him, and then taken the dog for a walk if it got restless. I don't want to demonize entire breeds of dogs, but I feel so angry and discouraged every time I hear of a child being injured (And no doubt traumatized) in a dog attack--no matter what the breed of dog. Melissa > That poor little girl--how terrifying for her! I hope she'll be all > right. Why did the visitor feel he had to bring his dog over for a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Melissa Fairly recently, locally, 3 pit bulls tore half a 10-year-old boy's face off (part of his jaw was hanging down on his chest) and he lost his left arm it was mauled so badly. He was in his own backyard, just returned from school when they attacked him. His life was in the balance for weeks in intensive care. Plastic surgery and amputation of mangled left arm have been performed and he is recovered now. It has been illegal to own pit bulls in neighboring large city and people there are "boarding" them in this 'burb with friends to save the dogs' lives. I agree with NMR; the breed (pure or integrated) is a deadly bomb waiting for a trigger to detonate it (child making a quick move or whatever). If a pit bull did to your child what happened to this 10-year-old, would it make any difference if the dog was "sweet" or "lovingly raised" or a descendant of a long line of neighborhood breed integration, etc? Report the whole incident anonimously to the police and don't go next door at all. It should be out of your hands. Police will see that child gets needed medical care. She *does* need at very least, a tetanus injection. Since many are giving their solicited opinions, this is mine. I think I will stick with owning little cats how many pet cats do you hear about taking down a human ( I mean little cats not tigers or such) I mean I know I would be in trouble if they started working together in a hunting pack since these little devils already tag team when it comes to stealing people food. < looking over my shoulder at those sets of eyes watching me from all sides> |
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