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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2004Latest news on "the eye"
Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently operated upon eye. I won't bore you with how long it was after my appointment time, that I was seen. Hours. Anyway, I had my operation on Sept 7. Last week I was in great pain because the pressure was up. I only found out today how high it actually was. No wonder I was in such pain. The normal pressure of the eye ranges from 11-21. I was told today that last week mine was 37!!! I had loads of meds, was sleepy after them, like I said, but the good news is that today my eye pressure is 19. Still a bit on the high side, but okay. I still have some inflammation but not as much. I still can't see properly, but apparently, as yet, that's not too much to worry about, as the retinal haemorrhage has mainly settled to the bottom of the eye in clots, although there is some blood still in the vitreous humour, that's why things look sepia. It will take months, rather than weeks to clear, but I'm hoping for a reasonable result in the end. If I was retired, and had a pension, it wouldn't worry me too much. I need to work though, for another 12 years. My employers have been quite good, my job is still there for when I can go back, and if I am still visionally impaired they intend to get adaptations so I can manage. Don't praise them too much, though, they have to. A recent Disability Discrimination Act has made it much tougher for employers if an existing previously able-bodied employee becomes disabled "in service" i.e. while still working for them. Tweed > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. Well, I was hoping you would have a quicker recovery, but still, that's good news. We're still sending purrs that your eye will heal completely and much sooner than the doctors predict! Hugs, CatNipped >> Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my >> recently [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped Think it will be a long job. Thanks for your purrs. Like I said, it's not like on the films. *removes eye patch immediately after operation* I can see, I can see! Not like me. Nurse removes eye patch next morning. Me "why can't I see?" Nurse "you have had a retinal haemorrhage?" And why did I have a RH? Because I had had to fast since the day before and when I woke up I was offered a sandwich. I was very hungry so I tried to eat it, I couldn't. My throat was so dry (from the tube being down) that I couldn't swallow. I chewed and chewed and the bread just wouldn't go down. It then made me cough. I coughed and coughed and coughed and eventually I retched (heaved) because I couldn't stop. That was when the tremendous pain came, that was when I got the retinal haemorrhage I can only say that it's stupid to offer someone just out of anaesthesia a sandwich. I told the doctor. She said I ought to tell the ward staff that. Excuse me, I think I might be your job now I've told you.! Tweed aw, Tweed. We hope the eye pressure keeps going down. I am due for a cataract removal sometime this year or early next year, so I know what you must be going through. Jazz and I will purr and pray for your quick and complete recovery. Jazz & his mama  SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Tweed > aw, Tweed. We hope the eye pressure keeps going down. I am due for a > cataract removal sometime this year or early next year, so I know what you > must be going through. Jazz and I will purr and pray for your quick and > complete recovery. > Jazz & his mama Thanks for the purrs and prayers. Now, about the cataract operation. I was told that because I'd had to have silicone oil in my eye for my op, I'd probably need a cataract op within two years. I did and I had it done in May. I girded my loins for it to be as bad as my previous op, but it wasn't, nowhere near. I drove the next day to the local supermarket. I had a lens implant, and I get glare from it, but as far as recovery from the surgery was, hardly any pain , more discomfort, and no nasty pus. Purrs for your cataract op. It isn't half so bad as what I've just had done! Tweed > aw, Tweed. We hope the eye pressure keeps going down. I am due for a > cataract removal sometime this year or early next year (snippage) > Jazz & his mama Best wishes for your cataract surgery, Jazz. The mention of cataracts reminded me of something. My aunt Jean who lived in Columbus, OH, developed diabetes when she was a teenager, in the 1930's. She became legally blind when she was in her 20's; IIRC this was in the early 1940's. She could see shapes and colours but nothing else; just blur. She could read extremely large print with the help of a lighted magnifying lens. For all that, she was an amazing woman. Without really being able to see, she refinished furniture. Painted and glazed small pieces of pottery at a local crafts shop as a hobby. Cooked up a storm. Over the years she had a number of surgeries on her eyes; I'm pretty sure she developed cataracts a couple of times. This last time, a friend drove her to the doctor. She said nope, I don't want anyone cutting on my eyes anymore. The doctor, a new "young" guy (she was in her 60's) said, "You don't understand. I think I can HELP you." Her friend said, Jean, go on, let him do this. So she did. She called me on the phone after she recoverd from the surgery. Jill!! I can SEE! *What?!* The doctor apparently did corrective laser surgery along with the cataract removal and corrected her vision. Can you imagine being able to SEE after 40 years of just blur? I was thrilled for her! She also teased that her husband, who had passed on, always told her she was beautiful. She said now that she could see herself in a mirror she realized he'd been lying the whole time! LOL (she had a great sense of humour) Sadly, she only got to enjoy her new sight for 6 months before she died of a heart attack. But I'm grateful she got that much time to enjoy it before she passed on. Jill >The mention of cataracts reminded me of something. My aunt Jean who lived >in Columbus, OH, developed diabetes when she was a teenager, in the 1930's. >She became legally blind when she was in her 20's; IIRC this was in the >early 1940's. She could see shapes and colours but nothing else; just blur. >She could read extremely large print with the help of a lighted magnifying >lens. <snip> >She called me on the phone after she recoverd from the surgery. Jill!! I >can SEE! *What?!* The doctor apparently did corrective laser surgery along [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >beautiful. She said now that she could see herself in a mirror she realized >he'd been lying the whole time! LOL (she had a great sense of humour) <snip> I have an aunt who pretty much mirrors your aunt's story. As long as I can remember she worn THICK glasses, had no peripheral vision, and was legally blind for about ten years. Then, a couple years ago she had a "new" procedure and could see for the first time since she was a teen. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >Sadly, she only got to enjoy her new sight for 6 months before she died of a >heart attack. But I'm grateful she got that much time to enjoy it before >she passed on. How sad, but how amazing and great, too. What a great lady! Best wishes, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > The mention of cataracts reminded me of something. My aunt Jean who lived > in Columbus, OH, developed diabetes when she was a teenager, in the 1930's. > She became legally blind when she was in her 20's; <snip > What a great lady! > Best wishes, Thanks! She *was* a wonderful woman. Never let anything get her down. Now here's a tale about how her husband got her to date him. She had been married once before, very young, and her husband died. (She really did have a sad life but you'd never know it.) So she was living with my grandparents and her car broke down. This was when she could still see. My uncle Howard was a mechanic in this tiny town in Ohio, the only garage there was. He was a mountain of a man; he looked like he was wearing shoulder pads; she was tall and skinny. Think Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean; except in reverse. So he didn't think she'd go out with him. So he fixed what was wrong with her car but then "fixed" something else so it would break so she'd have to bring it back to get it repaired. This went on for about three trips to the garage before he finally got up the nerve to ask her out! <G> Mom tells me when they saw this big guy come in the door they were all like "WHOA!" Howard was a gentle giant. They were married over 40 years. Ain't love grand? :) Jill >> The mention of cataracts reminded me of something. My aunt Jean who >> lived in Columbus, OH, developed diabetes when she was a teenager, >> in the 1930's. She became legally blind when she was in her 20's; >> <snip > st time, a friend drove her to the doctor. She said nope, I don't > want anyone cutting on my eyes anymore. The doctor, a new "young" guy (she > was in her 60's) said, "You don't understand. I think I can HELP you." Her > friend said, Jean, go on, let him do this. So she did. Another story. It happened in the early 1930s -- My grandfather had been blind in one eye for over 20 years. He started getting terrible headaches that would make him nearly fall when the pain struck him. He went to a Nose and Throat doctor who found a large polyp in his sinus. It was surgically removed. A few weeks later my grandfather discovered the sight had returned to his blind eye. > > st time, a friend drove her to the doctor. She said nope, I don't > > want anyone cutting on my eyes anymore. The doctor, a new "young" guy [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > surgically removed. A few weeks later my grandfather discovered the > sight had returned to his blind eye. Among the most moving things I've ever read was a thoughtful line by James Herriot, on his first use of the first (primitive) antibiotic [1], sulfanilamide. At the time, he realized, for the first time, that he had a drug that unquestionably DID something -- and he hadn't a glimmering of the coming revolution in therapeutics. I'm deeply educated in pharmacology, but every so often, as a new class of drugs is introduced, or we gain a new fundamental understanding of the mode of action of a drug (or an organ system), I get tears in my eyes as I did when I first read Herriot. Medicine, including veterinary medicine, has been called "the youngest science." Most people do not understand how recent even seemingly basic tests and treatments may be, the majority of them post-WWII. The rate of progress is increasing at an incredible rate--the amount of knowledge in biology and medicine probably doubles every 4-7 years. Today's miracle is tomorrow's routine, and perhaps obsolescent the day after. We don't always have cures -- but we increasingly have reliable methods to turn death sentences into manageable chronic diseases with good quality of life--and tough financial choices. [1] For any purists, yes, I know sulfonamides are not true "antibiotics" produced by a microorganism. With the number of synthetic and semi- synthetic antimicrobials in use today, I feel comfortable in using the shorter and more familiar term "antibiotic". >> > st time, a friend drove her to the doctor. She said nope, I don't >> > want anyone cutting on my eyes anymore. The doctor, a new "young" guy [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > synthetic antimicrobials in use today, I feel comfortable in using > the shorter and more familiar term "antibiotic". You are so right about today's miracle meds. If they had been available when I was a child, many family members would not have died so young.MLB > Medicine, including veterinary medicine, has been called "the youngest > science." Most people do not understand how recent even seemingly basic > tests and treatments may be, the majority of them post-WWII. The rate of > progress is increasing at an incredible rate--the amount of knowledge in > biology and medicine probably doubles every 4-7 years. It does progress rapidly, When I think of all the changes in treatment of diabetes during the 34 years I've had it... sometimes I've been a guinea pig for new medicines and treatment, some of them were discarded very fast, others have been developed further and become routine. The new treatments may not help me much now, but I hope future diabetics will be helped. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > > Medicine, including veterinary medicine, has been called "the youngest > > science." Most people do not understand how recent even seemingly [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > new treatments may not help me much now, but I hope future diabetics > will be helped. It's not that well known, but there experiments underway that may result in a vaccine to prevent Type I diabetes (not "adult onset" Type II). There is a good deal of evidence that children may catch a symptom-free virus that then disappears. Unfortunately, that particular virus has a surface protein that looks like one on a pancreatic islet cell, which produces insulin. The idea is that the virus causes antibodies to form against it, which then go off and destroy pancreatic cells. If the virus can be prevented, and the theory is correct, type I diabetes immunization may become a routine childhood thing. > It's not that well known, but there experiments underway that may result > in a vaccine to prevent Type I diabetes (not "adult onset" Type II). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and the theory is correct, type I diabetes immunization may become a > routine childhood thing. I've read about that on a very theoretical level, but didn't know they were actually in the process of developing the vaccination. It's type I that I have. I'm sincerely hoping the vaccine works out. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > > It's not that well known, but there experiments underway that may > > result [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > were actually in the process of developing the vaccination. It's type I > that I have. I'm sincerely hoping the vaccine works out. It's apparently tough, and only in early stages as far as I know. When my finances improve, I'll resubscribe to the diabetes journals, but I still get the abstracts and see an occasional reference to a new study. I doubt it's going to be available anytime soon, but there are always breakthroughs in genetic and molecular medicine that turn out to be useful in other problems than the one under study. >> It's not that well known, but there experiments underway that may result >> in a vaccine to prevent Type I diabetes (not "adult onset" Type II). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > were actually in the process of developing the vaccination. It's type I > that I have. I'm sincerely hoping the vaccine works out. I know that they are pretty certain my friend's little girl got diabetes from a virus. It seems that is fairly well established that is a cause. What disturbs me lately is the gigantic increase in Type II in children in the U.S. We must change our eating habits and physical level! My nephew who is 13 has a cholesterol level of over 200. It's so awful. So preventable. >I know that they are pretty certain my friend's little girl got diabetes >from a virus. It seems that is fairly well established that is a cause. What >disturbs me lately is the gigantic increase in Type II in children in the >U.S. We must change our eating habits and physical level! My nephew who is >13 has a cholesterol level of over 200. It's so awful. So preventable. Along the same theme, as I was reading your post the late news was talking about obesity in children. They didn't mention diabetes, but it's part and parcel with the obesity problem. It certainly doesn't help that the American education system seems to cut physical education classes every time they run in to a financial crunch. Another frequent target of cuts in the schools is the arts - which IMHO should be another area that should not be cut. But, don't ask what should be cut, I don't have any answers, and it doesn't appear the powers that be in the education system do either. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > >I know that they are pretty certain my friend's little girl got diabetes > >from a virus. It seems that is fairly well established that is a cause. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > what should be cut, I don't have any answers, and it doesn't appear > the powers that be in the education system do either. *sigh* one of my buttons. I went to several schools, but only one (Towson, MD High) had what I would call physical "education". The others all seemed to be "gym", where the non-varsity would get handed a ball appropriate to the season and ignored while "Coach" hung out with the Real Men. Towson had a philosophy of exposing students to lots of different sports, with the idea that sooner or late, everyone would find one that they could do well. They also constantly worked with every student, focusing on improvement in whatever they were doing. IIRC after all these years, the varsity were assumed to get their phys ed during after-school practice, didn't take regular phys ed, and thus allowed the instructors to focus on people that could use education. > But, don't ask > what should be cut, I don't have any answers, and it doesn't appear > the powers that be in the education system do either. <Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When was the last time you figured out what "x" was in real life! ;> Hugs, CatNipped <----- whose gradepoint average was brought down by the dreaded math > > But, don't ask > > what should be cut, I don't have any answers, and it doesn't appear [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > dreaded > math Indeed. There are serious concerns that al-Gebra is an international conspiracy. Their agents often carry Weapons of Math Destruction, such as protractors and calculators. *In all cultural fairness, al-gebra is indeed from Arabic, and the discipline was invented in the Arab world. >> > But, don't ask >> > what should be cut, I don't have any answers, and it doesn't appear [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > *In all cultural fairness, al-gebra is indeed from Arabic, and the > discipline was invented in the Arab world. AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! No punning, NO PUNNING!!!!! ROTFLMAO! [Good one, though!] Hugs, CatNipped >><Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When >>was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > *In all cultural fairness, al-gebra is indeed from Arabic, and the > discipline was invented in the Arab world. Thanks, make things hard for me. Guess what I'm teaching Friday and next Monday. Right, algebra. Pam S. who's going to have a hard time NOT looking for signs of the conspiracy. > <Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When was > the last time you figured out what "x" was in real life! ;> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > CatNipped <----- whose gradepoint average was brought down by the dreaded > math I must admit to figuring out what "x" is equal to on a fairly regular basis. Of course I loved Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus in school and hated picking apart various well-told stories to find the deeper meanings within. A pet peeve that DH and I were recently discussing: Why can't a story just be enjoyed as a story? The only one who truly knows the deeper meaning, if any, is the author. In the case of most classes in English Literature, most of those authors were long since deceased. Perhaps the teachers held regularly scheduled s?ances? SignatureElise (supervised by Gossamer & Jeeves) dragonandthistle at snet dot net > > <Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When was > > the last time you figured out what "x" was in real life! ;> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of those authors were long since deceased. Perhaps the teachers held > regularly scheduled s?ances? I'm with you on this one. If I can read something and enjoy it, what difference does it make if I can prove to someone else what the author intended for me to get from it. I honestly believe this is one of the attractions of junk books. Too many of us spent 12 years being intimidated by English teachers, most of whom could not write. I read "A Tale of Two Cities" when I was in the fourth grade. And enjoyed it. Now I will grant you I didn't conjure up the visuals the author likely had in mind, and probably missed some of the more subtle points. But I enjoyed the book. Where was the harm? Jo > > > <Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When > was [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > had in mind, and probably missed some of the more subtle points. But I > enjoyed the book. Where was the harm? 15 years ago, I would have agreed with you. I am a classic science geek, chemistry, physics, biology, maths - all the "fact" subjects came easy to me and I alwys wondered why they couldn't just let a good book stay a good book, because picking it apart always seemed to ruin it for me. Taht was until I was forced to do some arts subjects at University (I was doing a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry), and suddenly had the revelation that i had actually learnt some skills whilst picking apart books against my will. The first and foremost was how to critically examine a peice of writing: what was the intended audience? What was the authors message? How did the author go about telling this tale? What sort of arguments were used? What *didn't* the author say? etc etc. While this is probably more helpful when examining non-fiction it also helps me to understand the difference between crappy fiction and good, engrossing fiction. And probably has helped me write cat anecdotes too. I no longer have to pick apart various stories, for which I'm infinitely grateful, but knowing how to do does make me appreciate the "greats" even more, because I can see and appreciate the "tools" that the author used to make the peice so powerful. Compare "the cat sat on the mat" to "Shmoggleberry, a grey tabby of unknown heritage and equally unpredictable demeanor purposely placed himself like a landmine into the exact centre of the worn and cat-fur covered rug, his tail still beating out an angry tattoo." Both say the same thing, but I would hope the latter painted a much more compelling picture, leaving you wanting to know more. I have used alliteration, lots of adjectives, a simile, and a metaphor to paint the picture. All the cat did was sit on the mat, but the second tells you far far more.The truly great writers paint a very fine and detailed picture, and can literally change lives. I am so thankful to my English teacher for giving me that gift, and I had no idea that I had been given it until long after I had left school, but unlike the maths and sciences which help me earn my salary but give me little or no pleasure, poetry and well written words still give me great pleasure. Perhaps it is no coincidence then that my favourite movie is "Dead Poet's Society" Yowie > Of course I loved Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus in school > and hated picking apart various well-told stories to find the > deeper meanings within. I was also a math lover in high school, especially algebra and geometry. I went on to major in computer science in college, but this was a long time ago, before my college had a computer science department, so my degree is actually in math. I had to take several higher level math courses to graduate, and I really loved them. My interest was in "pure" math, where you study algebraic or geometric systems and prove theorems. Didn't care as much for calculus, as that required doing calculations (imagine that :)). I've never been great at arithmetic, oddly enough! > A pet peeve that DH and I were recently discussing: Why can't a > story just be enjoyed as a story? I can see both sides of this. I agree that some books are just plain tedious to pick apart, and it kind of spoils the fun of reading them. I'm pretty right-brained about art, including music, literature, visual arts, films, and so forth, and I don't generally use critical thinking when reading, listening, viewing, etc. That might sound really sloppy and uneducated, but it's just not where I like to use my critical skills. I save it for nonfiction, news, opinion pieces, or any expository or documentary kind of information. When enjoying art, I want to relax and immerse myself in the experience, and I turn off my left brain. It's a gut-level response - I don't want to be standing off to the side, coolly observing and analyzing. On the other hand, some books have been enhanced by a critical analysis (which I'd get in classes). I remember reading Lord of the Flies in school, and our teacher interpreting the book from a Freudian and sociological viewpoint - how society breaks down under pressure. First spirituality goes, then intellect, and then leadership, until nothing is left but savagery. Depressing, but then it's not the most happy book, is it? Still one of my favorites, though. Joyce >I must admit to figuring out what "x" is equal to on a fairly regular basis. >Of course I loved Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus in school and hated >picking apart various well-told stories to find the deeper meanings within. I almost gave up on math and science (like I could -- I love 'em too much) when my plane geometry teacher marked a question wrong on a test because I didn't do it "his way", but with calculus that I had learned on my own, two years ahead of schedule. Allow me a brief poetic interlude: >But what are all such gaieties to me, >who's head is full of indices and surds. >X squared plus seven x plus fifty-three >equals eleven thirds. (Author unknown -- at least I've forgotten) Regards and Purrs, O J > >I must admit to figuring out what "x" is equal to on a fairly regular > >basis. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Regards and Purrs, > O J e to the x, dx/dy Cosine secant theta prime 3.14159 Caltech! Caltech! Rah! OK, I've been pondering this for a while, and have come to the conclusion that it is unsolvable. (Non-math people will probably either find this boring or it will bring back frightening memories of high school math classes!) > Allow me a brief poetic interlude: > But what are all such gaieties to me, > who's head is full of indices and surds. > X squared plus seven x plus fifty-three > equals eleven thirds. > (Author unknown -- at least I've forgotten) So, (Note - I'm using the ** operator to mean "to the power of", so "x**2" means "x squared") x**2 + 7x + 53 = 11/3 3x**2 + 21x + 159 = 11 3x**2 + 21x + 148 = 0 This can't be factored, because no pair of factors for 148 can be added together to make 21. So, what does the poem mean??? I was sure that x was going to be some magic number! :) Joyce >So, what does the poem mean??? I was sure that x was going to be >some magic number! :) It means use the Quadratic Formula. >>So, what does the poem mean??? I was sure that x was going to be >>some magic number! :) > It means use the Quadratic Formula. Oh, yeah... forgot about that. I guess the solution isn't going to be a whole number. Wow, the quadratic formula - that takes me back over 30 years! Joyce >OK, I've been pondering this for a while, and have come to the >conclusion that it is unsolvable. (Non-math people will probably [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >So, what does the poem mean??? I was sure that x was going to be >some magic number! :) X exists in a state of flux, alternating between approximately +4.347505 and approximately -4.347505 So, X**2 + 7X + 53 = 11/3 (4.347505 x -4.347505) + (7 x -4.347505) + 53 = 3.666666 -18.900799725025 + -30.432535 + 53 = 3.666666 -49.333334725025 + 53 = 3.666666 3.666665274975 = 3.666666 (well I did write approximately :) So X is indeed a magic number. <Points at Joyce saying 'I solved it, I solved it, neener neener nee nah', ducks, runs and hides> miaow > (4.347505 x -4.347505) + (7 x -4.347505) + 53 = 3.666666 > -18.900799725025 + -30.432535 + 53 = 3.666666 > -49.333334725025 + 53 = 3.666666 > 3.666665274975 = 3.666666 (well I did write approximately :) > So X is indeed a magic number. 4.347505 is a magic number? What does it do? :) (Other than solve this particular equation, that is.) Could it, possibly, clean my apartment? :) > <Points at Joyce saying 'I solved it, I solved it, neener neener nee nah', > ducks, runs and hides> Ah well. I once was a mathematician. Brain's gone rusty over the years! How did you actually arrive at 4.347505, anyway? Joyce > > (4.347505 x -4.347505) + (7 x -4.347505) + 53 = 3.666666 > > -18.900799725025 + -30.432535 + 53 = 3.666666 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Joyce This is yet another quoted post that I never saw the original, in fact when I got home today, since 5 a.m until 7 p.m. my computer told me that there were only 5 unread posts on the group. Now that must be unusual! Usually there is nearly a hundred. I know my computer is okay, since it's only a few months old. Tweed >>> (4.347505 x -4.347505) + (7 x -4.347505) + 53 = 3.666666 >>> -18.900799725025 + -30.432535 + 53 = 3.666666 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed I recomend you sign up with www.news.individual.net it doesn't cost anything. You could download from them and Wanadoo at the same time and compare the number of posts you get. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. >>>> (4.347505 x -4.347505) + (7 x -4.347505) + 53 = 3.666666 >>>> -18.900799725025 + -30.432535 + 53 = 3.666666 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > anything. You could download from them and Wanadoo at the same time and > compare the number of posts you get. I think I might try that, Adrian, thanks as I think I'm losing lots of posts judging by what I see quoted by others that I've never seen. Tweed > > (4.347505 x -4.347505) + (7 x -4.347505) + 53 = 3.666666 > > -18.900799725025 + -30.432535 + 53 = 3.666666 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >4.347505 is a magic number? What does it do? :) (Other than solve this >particular equation, that is.) To solve the equation I needed the X squared to be a negative number and the only way I could think of achieving this was to make X be both -ve and +ve at the same time. Hence, magic. X squared != +X times -X. >Could it, possibly, clean my apartment? :) Only if you repeat it aloud one hundred thousand and three times before the clock strikes twelve. > > <Points at Joyce saying 'I solved it, I solved it, neener neener nee nah', > > ducks, runs and hides> > >Ah well. I once was a mathematician. Brain's gone rusty over the years! Not that rusty. I used a magic number :) >How did you actually arrive at 4.347505, anyway? 4.347504 was too small and 4.347506 was too large. <g> miaow "Elise" <dragonandthistle@snet.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: A Miracle Story (WAS: Re: Latest news on "the eye"): >I must admit to figuring out what "x" is equal to on a fairly regular basis. >Of course I loved Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus in school and hated [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >of those authors were long since deceased. Perhaps the teachers held >regularly scheduled séances? Several books and stories I'd have otherwise loved were absolutely ruined for me by high school English classes that did this. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >Several books and stories I'd have otherwise loved were absolutely >ruined for me by high school English classes that did this. Tell me, did you ever have one of those English teachers who wished he or she had been a Shakespearean actor? We didn't study The Bard in high school, but one of my teachers sure hammed it up when we studied Marlowe. Regards and Purrs, O J O J <ojtb@pacbell.BOGUS.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: A Miracle Story (WAS: Re: Latest news on "the eye"): >>Several books and stories I'd have otherwise loved were absolutely >>ruined for me by high school English classes that did this. >Tell me, did you ever have one of those English teachers who wished he >or she had been a Shakespearean actor? We didn't study The Bard in >high school, but one of my teachers sure hammed it up when we studied >Marlowe. Not that I recall. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > > <Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When > > was [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of those authors were long since deceased. Perhaps the teachers held > regularly scheduled s?ances? Admittedly computer science rather than literature, but I still remember a brief and dubious sampling of one graduate program. I was taking a course in [of interest to CS people only] discrete mathematical structures, and the lecture was on applications of finite state automata. The professor happened to pull an example from a very familiar industry document, a standard method of measuring network performance. He showed a page, and said "the description here can be rewritten in our terms to mean AAA". I raised my hand. "Professor, do you think that BBB might be an alternate interpetation?" "Nonsense. This is clear." A few minutes later, I inquired again, "could it be that the thought was BBB?" "No". I couldn't stand it any longer. "Sir, I really think you should conside the BBB interpretation." He whirled around and demanded "why on earth do you think a silly thing like that was in the committee's mind?" "Because that's not what I meant when I drafted that section. You might want to look at the list of coauthors." It was clear he was tenured, as he changed the subject with barely a blink. Howard Berkowitz <hcb@gettcomm.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: A Miracle Story (WAS: Re: Latest news on "the eye"): >Admittedly computer science rather than literature, but I still remember >a brief and dubious sampling of one graduate program. I was taking a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >want to look at the list of coauthors." >It was clear he was tenured, as he changed the subject with barely a blink. ROTFL!!!!! Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL ><Jumping up and waving hand> Algebra!!! Cut Algebra!!!!! Yeah! When was >the last time you figured out what "x" was in real life! ;> Not that long ago for me. > I know that they are pretty certain my friend's little girl got diabetes > from a virus. It seems that is fairly well established that is a cause. What > disturbs me lately is the gigantic increase in Type II in children in the > U.S. We must change our eating habits and physical level! My nephew who is > 13 has a cholesterol level of over 200. It's so awful. So preventable. That's happening over here, too. Add to that that Finland has the highest frequency of type I in the world and we have a disaster on our hands. Apparently, you need the predisposing gene + the virus infection to get diabetes. They've traced the gene that predisposes Finns to type I diabetes to an area where my Dad was born, so that is probably why I and one of my sisters have it. We both had a severe influenza before our diabetes broke out. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> I know that they are pretty certain my friend's little girl got diabetes >> from a virus. It seems that is fairly well established that is a cause. What [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and one of my sisters have it. We both had a severe influenza before our > diabetes broke out. Yes, my friend's girl had a series of low grade infections, like ear etc. before hers. They have no other cases in either family though. It's sure tough. I really hope they can crack it one of these days. Howard, I "pinged" you with this question once before, but you were away at the time. If you don't want to be bugged with pharmaceutical questions, though, I understand. My doctor has prescribe Urocit K to, supposedly, help keep me from forming calcium kidney stones. I decided not to take it, however, because earlier this year I had to take medication for ulcers and I read that Urocit K will aggravate stomach ulcers. Have you heard anything about his drug? Thanks!! Hugs, CatNipped > Howard, I "pinged" you with this question once before, but you were away > at [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Have you heard anything about his drug? It seems like a fairly benign drug, but does have some warnings about use with ulcers -- I'm not immediately sure, given what it does, why it should be a problem. My more fundamental question, however, is about your ulcers. A very substantial percentage of ulcers are curable with medication, if they are caused by the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori). Testing for this is quite simple--the preferred method is a breath test after you've taken a test drug. More often than not, two weeks or so of an antibiotic in combination with anti-ulcer medication will cure it. Some people may need a couple of courses of antibiotics. Do you know if you have been tested for H. pylori? > It seems like a fairly benign drug, but does have some warnings about > use with ulcers -- I'm not immediately sure, given what it does, why it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Do you know if you have been tested for H. pylori? No, they found the ulcers right after my gastric bypass surgery because I kept throwing up and was sent back to the hospital three times (we all thought there was a problem with the surgery). The third time in the hospital they finally did an endoscopy and saw three ulcers in the upper part of my stomach (the part not stapled). They put me on Protonix and were supposed to do another endoscopy after two months on that, but my insurance crapped out so I just got another month's refill of the Protonix, felt better after that, and never did go back for the Endoscopy. That was about 3 months ago that I stopped taking the Protonix. Then, about 5 or 6 weeks ago, I started with the kidney stones again after 15 years!!! My GP did a 24-hour urine study and then prescribed the Urocid K. I think I told you about how many drugs he had me on before my surgery, and how bad the withdrawals were when I took *myself* off of them, so I am *VERY* leary about getting on *any* long-term medications again - especially something that may have side effects that would cause still another medical problem. Thanks for all your help, Howard. Hugs, CatNipped > > It seems like a fairly benign drug, but does have some warnings about > > use with ulcers -- I'm not immediately sure, given what it does, why it [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > about > 3 months ago that I stopped taking the Protonix. Given that you had the gastric bypass. that does bring up a range of causes of ulcers. Still, I think it's bad medicine not to test for H. pylori, because if you have it, the ulcers are _curable_, not just controllable. > Then, about 5 or 6 weeks ago, I started with the kidney stones again > after [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > medical > problem. That's one of the reasons I suggest the H. pylori test -- if you are "lucky" enough to have it, once it's eradicated -- and most people only need one course of therapy -- they are forever gone. > That's one of the reasons I suggest the H. pylori test -- if you are > "lucky" enough to have it, once it's eradicated -- and most people only > need one course of therapy -- they are forever gone. Thanks Howard!!! You've given me great information to take back to my doctor - grrrrr that *HE* didn't bring that up (I really need to see someone else, but my guy is a really good diagnostician, just real rushed - but he is the one who diagnosed my fibromyalgia and specializes in that, not many of those around). Hugs, CatNipped <snip> >My more fundamental question, however, is about your ulcers. A very >substantial percentage of ulcers are curable with medication, if they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >antibiotic in combination with anti-ulcer medication will cure it. Some >people may need a couple of courses of antibiotics. I remember being surprised when this first came out - treating ulcers with antibiotics didn't make sense until I learned more. One of my younger brothers, and my younger sister, were plagued by ulcers from and early age, and had them cured by antibiotics - though my brother endured them for a couple extra years because he was too macho to be tested. He has a high stress job and insisted that that was the cause, and said he'd rather just drink maalox or some such as it was cheaper than the treatment. Sure the maalox or mylanta may be cheaper in the short run, but the cost just adds up. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > <snip> > >My more fundamental question, however, is about your ulcers. A very [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > than the treatment. Sure the maalox or mylanta may be cheaper in the > short run, but the cost just adds up. There are an assortment of drug combinations used, usually at least two antibiotics plus one or more drugs to suppress acid while the treatment is going on. One drug, probably not first line any more but still used and safe, is bismuth subsalicylate -- the active ingredient in Pepto-Bismol. Turns out that pink goo may have had much more power than anybody realized, for decades. Steve Touchstone <stouchst@junksirinet.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: A Miracle Story (WAS: Re: Latest news on "the eye"): ><snip> >>My more fundamental question, however, is about your ulcers. A very [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >than the treatment. Sure the maalox or mylanta may be cheaper in the >short run, but the cost just adds up. DMIL was more than a little surprised a few years ago when she saw her doctor for an ulcer and got antibiotics. She understood a lot better in a few days when her ulcer cleared right up. :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL My dad had calcium based kidney stones and all he did for them was go on a low-calcium diet and drink a cranberry juice and a beer every day. He has never had one since and the ones he had in his kidneys went away on their own. (The cranberry juice and the beer--consumed separately from one another--are flushing agents. He also drinks a glass of water every hour he is awake for flushing.) Perhaps you could try that diet in lieu of medication. I have ulcers myself. ick. Best of luck. --Fil > My dad had calcium based kidney stones and all he did for them was go > on a low-calcium diet and drink a cranberry juice and a beer every [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > --Fil I controlled my kidney stones for 15 years by drinking LOTS of fluids (more than 120 oz. a day!!), just like your dad. The problem is that since I had my gastric bypass surgery my stomach can't hold that much. Also, I'm not supposed to drink anything an hour before or an hour after eating, so that cuts down even more my fluid intake. Hugs, CatNipped > My dad had calcium based kidney stones and all he did for them was go > on a low-calcium diet and drink a cranberry juice and a beer every [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > --Fil Cranberry juice, rather to the surprise of Ocean Spray, was clearly established to reduce the incidence of human urinary tract infections. For those that like to know details, it was a double-blind crossover study reported in the New England Journal of Medicine, probably the toughest journal in medicine as far as getting published. Ocean Spray provided a synthetic cranberry juice as the control drug. I'm actually surprised the cranberry industry hasn't tried to get FDA approval for advertising this benefit. It was only recently that the FDA did approve the first food claim of walnuts being beneficial for reducing cholesterol plaques. >Today's miracle is tomorrow's routine, and perhaps obsolescent the day >after. We don't always have cures -- but we increasingly have reliable >methods to turn death sentences into manageable chronic diseases with >good quality of life--and tough financial choices. I've got a copy of the 1940 edition of the "Merck Manual". It was a different world then. Sulfa was brand new and the only antimicrobials with any track record were Paul Ehrlich's Salvarsan and similar arsenic compounds for treating syphilis. The tragedy of Massengill's Sulfanilamide Elixir, which used toxic ethylene glycol to dissolve the drug, was fresh news. My own father was run over by a dairy wagon as a small child and had a compound fracture of his right arm. The doctor wanted to amputate immediately as it was a dirty wound and bound to become septic. My great-grandmother refused to let it happen. They irrigated the wound continuously with Dakin's solution, an antiseptic solution of sodium hypochlorite and boric acid, and it healed. My grandfather nicked his thumb whittling a toy for one of his children. The thumb became infected and eventually part of it had to be amputated. He was sick for months. > >Today's miracle is tomorrow's routine, and perhaps obsolescent the day > >after. We don't always have cures -- but we increasingly have reliable [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > his children. The thumb became infected and eventually part of it had > to be amputated. He was sick for months. I cherish a 1934 textbook called "Modern Office and General Practice." It's fascinating to read since almost EVERYTHING in it is wrong. But for that matter, I tend to keep old editions of "modern" medical textbooks. Ironically, the oldest edition I have of Goodman & Gilman's _The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics_ is the fifth edition (1970-something), and they are already saying to look in the fourth edition for obsolete drugs like barbiturates. > aw, Tweed. We hope the eye pressure keeps going down. I am due for a > cataract removal sometime this year or early next year, so I know > what you must be going through. Jazz and I will purr and pray for > your quick and complete recovery. > Jazz & his mama Purrs that your sugery is straightforward and without pain. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > aw, Tweed. We hope the eye pressure keeps going down. I am due for a > cataract removal sometime this year or early next year, so I know what you > must be going through. Jazz and I will purr and pray for your quick and > complete recovery. Please let us know when Lydia, so we can purr for you. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki Good luck Lydia. I have had cataract surgery on both my eyes recently. It is only 4 weeks since the last one, and I can see wonderfully well. I only need reading glasses now. You must be careful to use the eye drops as recommended, Marie from OZ > > aw, Tweed. We hope the eye pressure keeps going down. I am due for a > > cataract removal sometime this year or early next year, so I know what you > > must be going through. Jazz and I will purr and pray for your quick and > > complete recovery. > > Please let us know when Lydia, so we can purr for you. > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Tweed Kind of a shame when they have to make common decency the law isn't it? Hopefully they will follow it with good grace as well. Jo >> Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently >> operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Jo Many heartfelt purrs for a good outcome. MLB > Many heartfelt purrs for a good outcome. MLB Thanks very much, I'm hoping so. Tweed >> Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my >> recently operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Jo Yes, I so agree with you, it's a shame., but the pressure to perform is high, both in the private sector and the public - which I work in. Until I got a report from an Occupational Health doctor, I had to buy my own pens. The ones that were provided were faint and fine, cheap, you see, and I couldn't read what people wanted, let alone write with one myself. So I bought medium roller ball pens out of my own pocket, so I could continue to work. Stupid, wasn't it? The OH doc put paid to all that. She told them I must be provided with them, and also all my team, so I could read their instructions. I must be provided with a wheeled trolley to transport files from A to B as I mustn't carry heavy weights (dangerous for fragile retinas). I must be allowed to start late and finish early in the winter as I can't see in the dark. (they don't pay me for this, tho') They have had to do all this. Perhaps a little reluctantly but they've done it. They'd be breaking the law if they didn't, so I now find myself in quite a strong position ;-) instead of, like a few years ago, losing my job like many newly disabled people used to do. There is also a "quota" that firms employing more than a certain number(can't remember what it is) have to employ a certain percentage of disabled people. Five years ago, I was as fit as anyone else. I hadn't a clue that this would happen to me (it happens to other people, doesn't it?) Never yourself. Tweed Purrs for a continued recovery. Lois Signaturehttp://zeotropeburmese.kiwiwebhost.net.nz -- Burmese are like potato chips, you can't just have one. > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed > Purrs for a continued recovery. > > Lois Thanks, Lois. Purrs are powerful and I need them right now. Tweed > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed Purrs continuing for improvement. Sam > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. <snippage> We're still purring for full recovery, even if it takes a little longer than anticipated. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my >> recently operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We're still purring for full recovery, even if it takes a little longer > than anticipated. Thanks, Marina. I'm not sure yet how long it might take. Tweed Lots of purrs and prayers for your healing. We're pulling for you! Blessed be, Baha > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed > Lots of purrs and prayers for your healing. We're pulling for you! > > Blessed be, > Baha Thanks, Baha. I need all the purrs and prayers I can get. Tweed On Fri, 24 Sep, Tweed wrote: >Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently >operated upon eye. ---------------------<snip>---------------------- I hope that if anything ever happens to my health again I'm able to face it with the bravery I read in your articles. Good luck and God bless. Regards and Purrs, O J > On Fri, 24 Sep, Tweed wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards and Purrs, > O J OJ, I'm not very brave at all, in fact, I'm a bit of a wuss normally. But I told myself I have to go through this to give myself a chance to see. So I did. Up to now, it hasn't worked, my sight is worse than when I went into hospital. I'll wait and see for an improvement (3-6 months) perhaps. Some patients get no benefit. A symptom of epiretinal membrane is that straight lines are curved. My left eye sees a perfectly straight line on the computer, at the bottom of my post, my right one, it's still a bit bent. Hmmm. Anyway, I've decided this is the last operation. If it doesn't work, so be it. I just can't bring myself to go through it again. 5 is enough. Tweed > I still have some inflammation but not as much. I still can't see properly, > but apparently, as yet, that's not too much to worry about, as the retinal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It will take months, rather than weeks to clear, but I'm hoping for a > reasonable result in the end. Purrs and healing thoughts and wishes for your eyes, Christina. Also purrs and friendly thoughts for Boyfriend and Kitty. Pam, Rob, and the Fayetteville Seven >> I still have some inflammation but not as much. I still can't see >> properly, but apparently, as yet, that's not too much to worry about, as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam, Rob, and the Fayetteville Seven Thanks Pam. Boyfriend's happy because Uncle Bryan has gone home. Auntie mailed me this morning to say that Unle B was missing Boyfriend - the feeling isn't mutual! At last he can spend some time in the house in the daytime. Tweed Good news that it should clear, even if taking longer than ideal. Good news about the job too. Thinking of you. helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- > Good news that it should clear, even if taking longer than ideal. Good > news [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > helen s Much appreciated, Helen. Tweed Lots of purrs and best wishes for your eye to recover completely, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. > > I won't bore you with how long it was after my appointment time, that I was > seen. Hours. Anyway, I had my operation on Sept 7. Last week I was in > great pain because the pressure was up. <snip > Lots of purrs and best wishes for your eye to recover completely, Thank you very much Polonca. Tweed > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. All the best to you - hope your eye continues to improve. >> Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my >> recently operated upon eye. > > All the best to you - hope your eye continues to improve. Thanks Helen, patience doesn't always come easy to me ;-) Tweed > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my > recently operated upon eye. > > Tweed Good news about the job and purrs for a speedy recovery of your sight back to normal. Jill Many purrs and good wishes for your eye to heal as soon as possible! Take care! Christine > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed > Many purrs and good wishes for your eye to heal as soon as possible! Take > care! > Christine I appreciate the purrs and good wishes, and I'll try and take care! Tweed what kind of operation did you have done to your eye?, im possibly in a position to end up getting a corneal transplant in a few years.... it doenst sound very fun sandra > Well, I had to go back to the hospital today for an opinion on my recently > operated upon eye. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed Hi, Sandra This is what I had this time: http://www.eyemdlink.com/EyeProcedure.asp?EyeProcedureID=50 Tweed > what kind of operation did you have done to your eye?, im possibly in a > position to end up getting a corneal transplant in a few years.... it [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> >> Tweed >The normal pressure of the eye >ranges from 11-21. I was told today that last week mine was 37!!! >I had loads of meds, was sleepy after them, like I said, but the good news >is that today my eye pressure is 19. Still a bit on the high side, but >okay. I didn't know that there was an "eye pressure" measurement. It's a good thing that was fixed. >It will take months, rather than weeks to clear, but I'm hoping for a >reasonable result in the end. Purrs that sepia tones and everything clears up, and you won't be experiencing any more pain. :) > I didn't know that there was an "eye pressure" measurement. It's a > good thing that was fixed. Isn't that what glaucoma is all about? Too much pressure on the eye? Joyce > > I didn't know that there was an "eye pressure" measurement. It's a > > good thing that was fixed. > > Isn't that what glaucoma is all about? Too much pressure on the eye? Yes. The measurement (tonometry) should be part of every routine eye examination. The newer methods don't even make contact with the surface of the eye, but do it with light. Glaucoma is one of those things where early detection is extremely important, because it can usually be controlled before doing a lot of damage. >> > I didn't know that there was an "eye pressure" measurement. It's a >> > good thing that was fixed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] & |
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