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Howard Berkowitz - 23 Sep 2004 05:14 GMT I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. In any case, it seems fine for immunizations, etc.
Since Rhonda had a full exam, worming, etc., while being spayed, only Ding and Mr. Clark needed exams and boosters. The appointment was set for 3:30PM. OK. I've learned at this point that chasing patients around the house is not the best of ideas, so I decided to put them in carriers.
Ding has been alternately clingy and skittish since what has variously been called the Mysterious Disappearance, the Walkabout, or Temporary Duty to the Mothership. I got him, struggling, into the smaller carrier; I wanted to get him under control first. Since he'd be in there a while, I thought I should snip him some shrimpie Fancy Feast. Bad move. As I slipped in the dish, he squirmed out. Major wrestling on the kitchen floor, he ran away, but I was able to spot him and get him back in the carrier. Placed on the kitchen floor, it began rocking and banging.
Next, Mr. Clark. Big carrier for big cat. He was surveying the world in a file box on top of bookcases, but I was able to get him down onto the 4-drawer file cabinets. He's laid back, so we scratched and cuddled a while, and then I picked him up and put him in the carrier. No real struggle, although he wasn't amused.
Anyway, it was now about 2:45 or 3. I decided to put the carrier doors facing one another, thinking seeing Mr. Clark might get Ding to stop looking like a convict shaking the bars just before rioting. That seemed to work.
Rhonda, I am convinced, knew nothing was going to happen to her, so she promptly climbed on, between, next to, etc., the carriers. I am not sure if she was comforting, inspecting, or gloating, but Ding did seem to calm down.
Finished clearing the counter for the exam, and the vet showed up. She always puts a scale on the counter and does most of the exam on it. After taking one look at Ding's carrier rocking again, she decided it might be easier to weigh the cats in the carriers, then subtract the carrier weight later.
"Do you want to do big and calm, or medium and crazed, first?" She decided Mr. Clark should go first...but just as she got the scale set up, Rhonda jumped up, found a nice towel in the middle of the scale, and decided she wanted to be weighed -- or at least be the center of attention. So, I'm juggling 20-odd pounds of cat and carrier as Flo, TED, tries to charm Rhonda off the scale. As long as she was there, we checked the weight and it was 6.3 pounds, up .2 in four days back home.
Rhonda head bumped and kissed her, but showed no intent of moving. Pick her up and move her to the side, and she jumped back on. Pick her up and put her on the floor, and she's back on the scale in a moment. Finally, with the loaded carrier about to drop on her head, she jumped off -- and was caught in midair before she shot headfirst into the open veterinary bag.
OK. Mr. Clark and carrier finally on scale. We look at the combined weight and hope the carrier is heavier than we think. Open carrier door. Mr. Clark isn't sure about coming out. Rhonda jumps back up, head bumps everyone, and then sits next to the scale. The two hoomins slide out Mr. Clark, who sits calmly on the scale and gets examined. He's calm enough that we can look at the scale and get his 16.5 pound weight, which then shot up suddenly -- Rhonda got back on the scale. Mr. Clark gets his injections, making a slight complaint on the second one. We did find that his bad breath is due to gingivitis way in the back, and he's due for a trip for the dental clinic. Ear mites cleared, a yeast infection found in one ear, fleas treated, and then we invite him to get off, as we pick up Ding's carrier.
Mr. Clark just took a few steps and stretched out in a lion pose next to the scale, with Rhonda alongside. It was clear they wished to supervise. Ding came up, and he didn't want to come out of the carrier, looking thoroughly intimidated. We tipped him out, and I _think_ Rhonda helped by jumping into the middle and sort of head bumping. Mr. Clark just watched very, very closely.
Family practice time, with Ding in the center, two supervisory cats against the wall, and two hoomins working on him. Nothing too major, other than fleas from his walkabout. 9.5 pounds. Gave him boosters, deferred worming until the fleas were gone. He did decide to jump off, in the right direction. Rhonda immediately jumped back to the center of the scale and went into loud "Love me, adore me, get me my own TV series -- I'm at least as talented as Paris Hilton." After several attempts, we finally get her off long enough to retrieve the scale. Again caught her im midair before she shot into the doctor's bag.
Rhonda's now off the counter. Mr. Clark gets up, licks everyone, and strides confidently onto the chart folder, unsupported and sticking out from the counter. *crash* on top of the veterinary bag, which luckily was closed just after Rhonda's last dive. He climbs off; Rhonda gets back on and grabs the handles. Mr. Clark shakes himself a little, checking everything after the crash. He lies down and observed.
Two hoomins now try to remove a 6-pound cat from the bag handles, as she preens for attention, head-butts, and is generally talkative. Flo picks up the bag and Rhonda jumps on it. Eventually, I pick up Rhonda so TED can make an escape, $255 later.
Hoomin gets cup of coffee and collapses. Ding jumps around on the long multiple computer table and knocks a monitor on its side -- it appears to be working.
Karen Chuplis - 23 Sep 2004 05:59 GMT > I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > multiple computer table and knocks a monitor on its side -- it appears > to be working. OMG. I love "Love me, adore me, get me my own TV series" !!! Wow. That's pretty nice to have house calls. Yes, you will want to get blood workups but not that often. Sure sounds much less traumatic. I know my vet USED to do them, but I do not know if she still does.
Howard Berkowitz - 23 Sep 2004 06:16 GMT > OMG. I love "Love me, adore me, get me my own TV series" !!! Wow. That's > pretty nice to have house calls. Yes, you will want to get blood workups > but > not that often. Sure sounds much less traumatic. I know my vet USED to do > them, but I do not know if she still does. Well, it's not TV yet, but Rhonda is stretched out on the fax machine. Both she and Mr. Clark have tried to fax images of their undersides, although luckily not to a number with a corresponding fax machine.
O J - 23 Sep 2004 14:16 GMT >Well, it's not TV yet, but Rhonda is stretched out on the fax machine. >Both she and Mr. Clark have tried to fax images of their undersides, >although luckily not to a number with a corresponding fax machine. Too bad it has closed down, but there used to be a web site called "catscan.com" with images of (what else) the scans of cats sitting or lying on someone's scanner.
Regards and Purrs, O J
Howard Berkowitz - 23 Sep 2004 17:22 GMT > >Well, it's not TV yet, but Rhonda is stretched out on the fax machine. > >Both she and Mr. Clark have tried to fax images of their undersides, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "catscan.com" with images of (what else) the scans of cats sitting or > lying on someone's scanner. I'm vaguely reminded of a phenomenon in some Canadian hospitals, which are reimbursed at a flat rate for CT and MRI services, based on a predicted number of patients. Once they've had their maximum number of reimbursable non-emergency procedures, that's it for the month.
Except...they can do fee-for-service veterinary procedures. So, on a time-available basis, they will do animal imaging, even at times when people have to wait.
Tanada - 23 Sep 2004 18:16 GMT > I'm vaguely reminded of a phenomenon in some Canadian hospitals, which > are reimbursed at a flat rate for CT and MRI services, based on a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > time-available basis, they will do animal imaging, even at times when > people have to wait. When My MIL has to have MRIs done, her Neurosurgeon sends her down the road to Washington State University's Veterinarian school. It is over 100 miles to the nearest hoomin MRI from their home town, and their Doctor is in Pullman Washington, so the doctors use the TED school's facilities rather than try to get an appointment at the already overworked hospitals in Spokane. My FIL jokes that MIL sees the horse doctor for testing.
Pam S.
CatNipped - 23 Sep 2004 14:08 GMT > I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. > In any case, it seems fine for immunizations, etc. ROFLOL - life with cats is always an adventure, but what would we do without them??!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Christine Burel - 23 Sep 2004 16:20 GMT Sounds like the hoomin could've used something stronger than coffee afterwards! Amazing tale, especially how eager Rhonda was to hang around the vet! Very funny story, Howard! Christine
> I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > multiple computer table and knocks a monitor on its side -- it appears > to be working. Howard Berkowitz - 23 Sep 2004 19:43 GMT > Sounds like the hoomin could've used something stronger than coffee > afterwards! Amazing tale, especially how eager Rhonda was to hang around > the vet! Very funny story, Howard! > Christine Rhonda was off at another TED the previous week being spayed, and apparently charmed everyone there -- I got a note. Her personal vet had wanted to defer spaying until she got larger, but the rescue society rule that 2 years is enough. Rhonda is apparently destined to be a miniaturized Maine Coon lookalike -- she is quite close to classic breed drawings, but only is a bit over 6 pounds.
I also found it interesting that Mr. Clark specifically chose to stick around, after he had literally been stuck. There's no explanation other than he wanted to keep an eye on Ding. He did kiss the vet and was generally pleasant, but his attention was focused on his protege.
While I was originally thinking of volunteering for pet therapy with Mr. Clark, since he so actively cuddles/hugs/kisses, I'm now thinking Rhonda may be qualified in a different way -- she isn't quite as cuddly with strangers, but certainly interacts with them given the slightest chance. Who knows -- that might change with practice. When I'm lying on the bed reading or watching TV, she routinely flops into my arms in the cradled-baby position.
I'm going to have to discuss Ding's socialization with the other two. He can be very affectionate at times, but also hides a lot, has been having some crazy spurts, and I haven't gotten close enough to apply the flea drops.
Yoj - 23 Sep 2004 18:41 GMT LOL! This should have had a BW!
-- Joy
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> I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > multiple computer table and knocks a monitor on its side -- it appears > to be working. Margaret Fine - 23 Sep 2004 19:39 GMT > I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > multiple computer table and knocks a monitor on its side -- it appears > to be working. Howard, I love Mr. Clark and Ding as names. You need to get 3 more kitties of various colors so you can have your own Rainbow 6!
Or change Rhonda's name to Jack. ;-)
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Howard Berkowitz - 23 Sep 2004 23:00 GMT > Howard, I love Mr. Clark and Ding as names. You need to get 3 more > kitties of various colors so you can have your own Rainbow 6! > > Or change Rhonda's name to Jack. ;-) Well, I suppose she could have been Mary Jo Foley, but she's named after a real-world character: COL Rhonda Cornum. She was the flight surgeon that volunteered for a combat search and rescue mission in 1991, on which women were forbidden to fly, was shot down, had a very rough time in Iraqi prison yet demonstrated strong leadership, and has been fast-tracked in the Army -- she recently graduated as President of the class at the National War College, and is now commanding the main US medical facility in Germany. That command normally leads to stars.
While I wouldn't be surprised to see her as the Army Surgeon General one of these days, she _is_ a confirmed adrenaline [1] junkie: paratrooper, helicopter and glider pilot, steeplechase rider, etc. Like her namesake, she's tiny but powerful.
[1] Epinephrine or catecholamine junkie is more correct, but just doesn't have the same ring...
Karen Chuplis - 24 Sep 2004 01:04 GMT >> Howard, I love Mr. Clark and Ding as names. You need to get 3 more >> kitties of various colors so you can have your own Rainbow 6! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > [1] Epinephrine or catecholamine junkie is more correct, but just > doesn't have the same ring... I remember her!
CATherine - 23 Sep 2004 23:06 GMT >I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm >beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >multiple computer table and knocks a monitor on its side -- it appears >to be working. I would say TED earned every penny of that fee! I wonder if she is now considering an office practice with techs to help? ;-D
-- CATherine
Christina Websell - 24 Sep 2004 02:10 GMT >>I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm >>beginning to have secon dthoughtsoverthelackoflabfacilities,etc. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > CATherine Actually, for a home visit to not do much more than flea and worm, I thought it was very expensive.
Tweed
Howard Berkowitz - 24 Sep 2004 02:42 GMT > >>I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > >>beginning to have secon [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed Also full immunizations, ear mites and a ear infection with Mr. Clark, and several months' supply of flea drops. Still not cheap.
Steve Touchstone - 24 Sep 2004 21:05 GMT >Also full immunizations, ear mites and a ear infection with Mr. Clark, >and several months' supply of flea drops. Still not cheap. LB and Sammy are on the same schedule, so their annuals are due together. It's normal for their booster visit TED bill to top $100, without adding a couple months worth of flea drops. While not exactly cheap, I think your bill is reasonable just to avoid the stress of hauling them off to a clinic. Guess a lot depends where you're at and how much TED would charge for the same things at the clinic. A couple things to keep in mind when thinking about the bill is the time and expense for TED to get to your home. That's something I run into when making estimates on landscaping/yard work. If I have to travel 30 minutes to get to a one hour job, that time will be reflected in what I charge.
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Howard Berkowitz - 24 Sep 2004 21:53 GMT > >Also full immunizations, ear mites and a ear infection with Mr. Clark, > >and several months' supply of flea drops. Still not cheap. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > minutes to get to a one hour job, that time will be reflected in what > I charge. While Rhonda didn't need anything (at least according to the humans) this time, the time and effort of preparing three cats for transport is going to be significant. When it's something serious, with the house call vet, I get an immediate referral to the regional referral centers -- one of which I prefer to the other. Unfortunately, the one I like doesn't have a dentist, and Mr. Clark needs one.
As to yard work -- you aren't by any lucky chance in the DC/Virginia area, are you?
Steve Touchstone - 24 Sep 2004 23:12 GMT <snip>
>As to yard work -- you aren't by any lucky chance in the DC/Virginia >area, are you? noipe, sorry. I imagine I'd end up charging a bit extra if I was driving from SW Oklahoma to DC LOL
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LOL - 25 Sep 2004 07:54 GMT > <snip> > >As to yard work -- you aren't by any lucky chance in the DC/Virginia > >area, are you?
> noipe, sorry. I imagine I'd end up charging a bit extra if I was > driving from SW Oklahoma to DC LOL Hmmm. How about Georgia? ;-) ------ Krista
Steve Touchstone - 26 Sep 2004 00:12 GMT >> <snip> >> >As to yard work -- you aren't by any lucky chance in the DC/Virginia [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Hmmm. How about Georgia? ;-) nah, still a little bit outside my range. Now if I were in south eastern Oklahoma...
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Takayuki - 24 Sep 2004 20:17 GMT >Actually, for a home visit to not do much more than flea and worm, I thought >it was very expensive. Maybe that can be the meaning of "TED" for hoomins. The Expensive Doctor.
When I go to a clinic for a vaccination, it costs $20. When Betty goes, it costs $130. :)
Howard Berkowitz - 24 Sep 2004 21:50 GMT > >Actually, for a home visit to not do much more than flea and worm, I > >thought [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > When I go to a clinic for a vaccination, it costs $20. When Betty > goes, it costs $130. :) It's hard to predict. The cost of many drugs, sold to veterinarians, is much cheaper than the exactly identical drug to a human pharmacy. Liability insurance costs not included.
I have noticed that when blood tests are sent out to a reference lab that uses the same instruments on all species, the prices are, not surprisingly, about the same. What does puzzle me is that a test done on-premises in a veterinary hospital often is more expensive -- even though I can see it uses exactly the same instrument as would be used in a human clinic or small hospital.
Marina - 25 Sep 2004 04:52 GMT > I have noticed that when blood tests are sent out to a reference lab > that uses the same instruments on all species, the prices are, not > surprisingly, about the same. What does puzzle me is that a test done > on-premises in a veterinary hospital often is more expensive -- even > though I can see it uses exactly the same instrument as would be used in > a human clinic or small hospital. The strange thing last time I went to TED's with mine was that the vet asked me if I wanted them to send the blood samples out to a lab, as that would be cheaper, but would take a couple of days. If I wanted them to check the samples there on their premises, it would cost a little more, but I would get the results immediately. The only thing they couldn't test was thyroid levels, so that had to be sent away. I opted for making the tests at the vet's that time, because I wanted to know how Frank was doing immediately.
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Jo Firey - 25 Sep 2004 04:52 GMT >> I have noticed that when blood tests are sent out to a reference lab that >> uses the same instruments on all species, the prices are, not [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tests at the vet's that time, because I wanted to know how Frank was doing > immediately. I'm guessing that the vet has to pay more for testing supplies than the bulk rate paid by a lab.
Jo
Howard Berkowitz - 25 Sep 2004 13:01 GMT > > I have noticed that when blood tests are sent out to a reference lab > > that uses the same instruments on all species, the prices are, not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > for making the tests at the vet's that time, because I wanted to know > how Frank was doing immediately. Outside labs generally are cheaper for a test than the cost at a small lab for humans or for animals. If it takes a technician an hour to run a particular test, there may only be one such test to do in a small facility, but a batch of hundreds at the outside lab. The larger labs also can afford more highly automated equipment.
Some tests are sent to specialized labs even by advanced hospitals -- I noticed this recently on the lab requisition form when I was having some work done at NIH Clinical Center. That is sometimes just an issue of economics, and sometimes there truly are only a few people that can do a particular test.
At least one of the regional veterinary hospitals in the DC area sends its tissue pathology to Boston. Specialized tissue pathology, even for humans, may need to be sent to experts.
lewe - 23 Sep 2004 23:26 GMT Howard Berkowitz <hcb@gettcomm.com> skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:hcb-EC3F58.00140123092004@news-central.giganews .com...
what a gang! funny, silly things! =) skritches to the 3 of them
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LOL - 24 Sep 2004 08:03 GMT > I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. > In any case, it seems fine for immunizations, etc. (snip)
LOL! Your crew are quite the characters. I am glad to read that they are all doing so well.
------ Krista
Marina - 24 Sep 2004 14:35 GMT > I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have second thoughts over the lack of lab facilities, etc. > In any case, it seems fine for immunizations, etc. <snip>
Well, your vet visit sounds much more fun than my recent one was! I can only dream of a vet who'd do housecalls...
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Adrian - 24 Sep 2004 15:53 GMT > I've been using a house call vet for routine things, although I'm > beginning to have secon > dthoughtsoverthelackoflabfacilities,etc. In any case, it seems fine > for immunizations, etc. <SNIP>
They certainly keep you busy, and us entertained.
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