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Victor Martinez - 18 Dec 2005 14:22 GMT Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very long time. We could not stop thinking about the characters and the scenery and the painful love that they both shared. It's only playing in one movie theater (the "artsy" one) here in Austin, so it might not be playing near you if you live in a small town. However, I can't recommend this movie strongly enough. It's rated R, but the hetero sex scenes (plural) are more graphic than the one homo sex scene. It's a beautiful and heart-breaking love story.
Here's an editorial from today's NYT that talks about it.
Two Gay Cowboys Hit a Home Run
By FRANK RICH Published: December 18, 2005
WHAT if they held a culture war and no one fired a shot? That's the compelling tale of "Brokeback Mountain." Here is a heavily promoted American movie depicting two men having sex - the precise sex act that was still a crime in some states until the Supreme Court struck down sodomy laws just two and a half years ago - but there is no controversy, no Fox News tar and feathering, no roar from the religious right. "Brokeback Mountain" has instead become the unlikely Oscar favorite, propelled by its bicoastal sweep of critics' awards, by its unexpected dominance of the far less highfalutin Golden Globes and, perhaps most of all, by the lure of a gold rush. Last weekend it opened to the highest per-screen average of any movie this year.
Those screens were in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco - hardly national bellwethers. But I'll rashly predict that the big Hollywood question posed on the front page of The Los Angeles Times after those stunning weekend grosses - "Can 'Brokeback Mountain' Move the Heartland?" - will be answered with a resounding yes. All the signs of a runaway phenomenon are present, from an instant parody on "Saturday Night Live" to the report that a multiplex in Plano, Tex., sold more advance tickets for the so-called "gay cowboy picture" than for "King Kong." "The culture is finding us," James Schamus, the "Brokeback Mountain" producer, told USA Today. "Grown-up movies have never had that kind of per-screen average. You only get those numbers when you're vacuuming up enormous interest from all walks of life."
In the packed theater where I caught "Brokeback Mountain," the trailers included a National Guard recruitment spiel, and the audience was demographically all over the map. The culture is seeking out this movie not just because it is a powerful, four-hankie account of a doomed love affair and is beautifully acted by everyone, starting with the riveting Heath Ledger. The X factor is that the film delivers a story previously untold by A-list Hollywood. It's a story America may be more than ready to hear a year after its president cynically flogged a legally superfluous (and unpassable) constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage for the sole purpose of whipping up the basest hostilities of his electoral base.
By coincidence, "Brokeback Mountain," a movie that is all the more subversive for having no overt politics, is a rebuke and antidote to that sordid episode. Whether it proves a movie for the ages or as transient as "Love Story," it is a landmark in the troubled history of America's relationship to homosexuality. It brings something different to the pop culture marketplace at just the pivotal moment to catch a wave.
Heaven knows there has been no shortage of gay-themed entertainment in recent years. To the tedious point of ubiquity, gay characters, many of them updated reincarnations of the stereotypical fops and fussbudgets of 1930's studio comedies, are at least as well represented as other minorities in prime-time television. Entertainment Weekly has tallied nine movies, including "Capote" and "Rent," with major gay characters this year. But "Brokeback Mountain," besides being more sexually candid than the norm, is not set in urban America, is not comic or camp, and, unlike the breakout dramas "Philadelphia" and "Angels in America," is pre-AIDS.
Its heroes are neither midnight cowboys, drugstore cowboys nor Village People cowboys. As Annie Proulx writes in the brilliant short story from which the movie has been adapted, the two ranch hands, Ennis Del Mar (Mr. Ledger) and Jack Twist (Jake Gyllenhaal), are instead simply "high school dropout country boys with no prospects, brought up to hard work and privation, both rough-mannered, rough-spoken, inured to the stoic life."
They meet and fall in love while tending sheep in the Wyoming wilderness in 1963. That was the year of Martin Luther King Jr.'s march on Washington and Betty Friedan's "Feminine Mystique," but gay Americans, and not just in Wyoming, were stranded, still waiting for the world to start spinning forward. Over the next two decades of sporadic reunions and long separations, both Ennis and Jack get married and have children; it barely occurs to them to do otherwise. In their place and time, there is no vocabulary to articulate their internal conflicts, no path to steer their story to a happily-ever-after Hollywood ending. Before they know it, they are, in Ms. Proulx's words, "no longer young men with all of it before them."
Ennis's and Jack's acute emotions - yearning, loneliness, disappointment, loss, love and, yes, lust - are affecting because they are universal. But while the screenplay, by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, adheres closely to the Proulx original, it even more vividly roots the movie in the rural all-American milieu, with its forlorn honky-tonks and small-town Fourth of July picnics, familiar from elegiac McMurtry works like "The Last Picture Show." More crucially, the script adds detail to Ennis's and Jack's wives (as do Michelle Williams and Anne Hathaway, who play them) so that we can implicitly, and without any on-screen moralizing, see the cost inflicted on entire families, not just on Ennis and Jack, when gay people must live a lie.
Though "Brokeback Mountain" is not a western, it's been directed by Ang Lee with the austerity and languorous gait of a John Ford epic. These aesthetics couldn't be more country miles removed from "The Birdcage" or "Will & Grace." The audience is forced to recognize that gay people were fixtures in the red state of Wyoming (and every other corner of the country, too) long before Matthew Shepard and Mary Cheney were born. Without a single polemical speech, this laconic film dramatizes homosexuality as an inherent and immutable identity, rather than some aberrant and elective "agenda" concocted by conspiratorial "elites" in Chelsea, the Castro and South Beach, as anti-gay proselytizers would have it. Ennis and Jack long for a life together, not for what gay baiters pejoratively label a "lifestyle."
But in truth the audience doesn't have to be coerced to get it. This is where the country has been steadily moving of late. "Brokeback Mountain," a Hollywood product after all, is not leading a revolution but ratifying one, fleshing out - quite literally - what most Americans now believe. It's not for nothing that the proposed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage vanished as soon as the election was over. Polls show that a large American majority support equal rights for gay couples as long as the unions aren't labeled "marriage" - and given the current swift pace of change, that reservation, too, will probably fade in the next 5 to 10 years.
The history of "Brokeback Mountain" as a film project in itself crystallizes how fast the climate has shifted. Mr. McMurtry and Ms. Ossana bought the screen rights to the Proulx story after it was published in The New Yorker in 1997. That was the same year the religious right declared a fatwa on Disney because Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet in her ABC prime-time sitcom. In the eight years it took "Brokeback Mountain" to overcome Hollywood's shilly-shallying and at last be made, the Disney boycott collapsed and Ms. DeGeneres's star rose. She's now a mainstream daytime talk-show host competing with Oprah. No one has forgotten she's a lesbian. No one cares.
ANOTHER startling snapshot of this progress can be found in a culture-war skirmish that unfolded just as "Brokeback Mountain" was arriving at the multiplex. The American Family Association of Tupelo, Miss., a leader in the 1997 anti-"Ellen" crusade, claimed this month that its threat of a boycott had led Ford to stop advertising its Jaguar and Land Rover lines in glossy gay magazines. Last week Ford, under fire from gay civil-rights organizations and no doubt many other mainstream customers, essentially told the would-be boycotters to get lost by publicly announcing that it would not only resume its Jaguar and Land Rover ads in gay publications, but advertise other brands in them as well.
As far as I can tell, the only blowhard in the country to turn up on television to declare culture war on "Brokeback Mountain" also has an affiliation with the American Family Association. By contrast, as Salon reported last week, other family-values ayatollahs have made a conscious decision to ignore the movie, lest they drum up ticket sales by turning it into a SpongeBob SquarePants cause célèbre. Robert Knight of Concerned Women for America imagined that the film might just go away if he and his peers stayed mum. Audiences "don't want to see two guys going at it," he told Salon. "It's that simple."
So he might wish. The truth is that the millions of moviegoers soon to swoon over the star-crossed gay cowboys of "Brokeback Mountain" can probably put up with the sight of "two guys going at it." It's the all too American tragedy of what happens to these men afterward that neither our hearts nor consciences can so easily shake.
sriddles@aol.com - 18 Dec 2005 14:46 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very > long time. We could not stop thinking about the characters and the > scenery and the painful love that they both shared. snipped
Thanks for posting the review/editorial. I had been very curious about the movie since seeing the trailer. At least it is encouraging that we have apparently made some progress as a nation, in my lifetime--can you imagine what response it would have received twenty, even ten years ago. I did also read what a risky career move it was for the two actors. I'm so glad the success of the move has surprised everyone. Can't wait to see it. I don't expect it to show at the theater here really,but I think it is in OKC now.
Sherry
Adrian - 18 Dec 2005 14:58 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting > and beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > but the hetero sex scenes (plural) are more graphic than the one homo > sex scene. It's a beautiful and heart-breaking love story. <snip editorial>
I'm glad you and Tom enjoyed it, Victor. It certainly looks worth watching, I will have to wait for its UK release, 13 January 2006
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CatNipped - 18 Dec 2005 15:15 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Here's an editorial from today's NYT that talks about it. <snip really good editorial>
I've always maintained that the "silent majority" (99.999999%) of America is tolerant, giving, gentle, and kind. It's just too bad that the .000001% that are so vocal, outrageous, nasty, and mean are the ones who always get all the press coverage. It's a shame that the rest of the world (as well as our own politicians - both left and right) believe that the vocal minority are representative of the rest of us. It always amused me, during the Clinton - Bush elections debate, that the far right kept trying to focus the campaign on "morals" when America kept telling them, by their votes, that it was "the economy, stupid" that mattered to them, *NOT* who slept with whom! [It's just too bad that the silent majority are now also silent at the voting polls lately - probably thinking, especially after the FL debacle, that their votes won't count anyway.]
If the press (and our own politicians - both left and right) would pay attention to things like number of box office tickets sold to a movie such as this, and took polls of those people who aren't shoving themselves into the microphone, they would understand that America does *NOT* believe in hate and discrimination. We are a nation that was born in the fight for freedom of beliefs and tolerance for those different from us in this melting pot of a country. If you don't believe me, just take your own informal poll of those people you know and ask them if they hate those different from them or if they believe in "live and let live".
<off my soap box now>
BTW, DH and I are passing on King Kong and are going to see Brokeback Mountain instead - but probably not until next weekend. I'm glad to hear you liked it Victor - film critics don't always like "popular" films and vice versa. I've heard that there is a lot of Oscar buzz going around about it.
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-L. - 19 Dec 2005 08:18 GMT > I've always maintained that the "silent majority" (99.999999%) of America is > tolerant, giving, gentle, and kind. It's just too bad that the .000001% [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of those people you know and ask them if they hate those different from them > or if they believe in "live and let live". Cry on, Pollyanna. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but gay marriage was on the ballot of a number of states last election, and it lost in every one. Discrimination and hate are alive and well and living in America, and it's not just the GBLT's who are suffering. Ask recent immigrants in California (especially non-English speaking ones), ask blacks in the South (hell, anywhere for that matter) and take a good, long look at that glass ceiling you are so oblivious to (or ignoring). Yes, the US has come a long way, but they have a long, long way to go before discrimination is dead in America.
> <off my soap box now> > > BTW, DH and I are passing on King Kong and are going to see Brokeback > Mountain instead - but probably not until next weekend. Two movies in less than a month, a new computer and flat-panel, to boot, yet you *bitch and moan* non-stop about not having any money! Sweet. Pssst...let me clue you in: To have money you have to QUIT SPENDING money. It sort of works that way, sweetie.
HTH and HAND,
-L.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Dec 2005 10:51 GMT > Discrimination and hate are alive and well and > living in America, and it's not just the GBLT's who are suffering. Ask > recent immigrants in California (especially non-English speaking ones), > ask blacks in the South (hell, anywhere for that matter) And I really hate it when people shake their heads at how the US is today, wax nostalgic about how this country was founded on equality and freedom for everyone, and talk about what a great, "noble experiment" it was, so how did it all go so wrong? Doesn't anyone remember that little problem we had for over 200 years called "slavery"? Not to mention the matter of killing the people who were already living here so the colonists could, well, colonize. And even among the well-off white colonists, the female half of them didn't have any rights, either.
Whenever anyone wonders how there could be so much hate and discrimination in this country, I wonder, given our brutal history, how it could have been any other way?
> Two movies in less than a month, a new computer and flat-panel, to > boot, yet you *bitch and moan* non-stop about not having any money! > Sweet. Pssst...let me clue you in: To have money you have to QUIT > SPENDING money. It sort of works that way, sweetie. I agree with you on the political issue, but I really don't understand why you're attacking CN about something that isn't any of your business. Why do you care how she spends her money? If you think she bitches about money too much, don't read her posts.
Joyce
CatNipped - 20 Dec 2005 00:03 GMT > > Discrimination and hate are alive and well and > > living in America, and it's not just the GBLT's who are suffering. Ask [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and freedom for everyone, and talk about what a great, "noble experiment" > it was, so how did it all go so wrong? Oh, I don't believe that the US today is worse than it was when it was founded - of course we've outgrown or corrected a lot of the ills of that time. But I do believe in the *IDEALS* it was founded on. Yes, we've had a brutal history - but still a history more idealistic than any other nation I know of.
Neither do I think we are living in an ideal society. I know we still have skin-heads, bigots, and lots of other unsavory people living here (unfortunately that's the price of a free society).
But I guess I am a bit of a Pollyanna when it comes to seeing the good in people instead of the bad. I still think that most people living here are decent, tolerant, and just plain *NICE*. I'm not going by what the media tells me, or polls, or politicians. I'm getting this impression from the people I meet in everyday life - the generosity and helpfulness displayed (by private citizens) when the tsunami, Katrina, and Rita struck - all the things you tend not to hear about in the news.
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> Doesn't anyone remember that little > problem we had for over 200 years called "slavery"? Not to mention the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Joyce jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Dec 2005 08:23 GMT > I do believe in the *IDEALS* it was founded on. Yes, we've had a > brutal history - but still a history more idealistic than any other > nation I know of. That's true. The ideals were quite radical. It just blows my mind, though, that the people who created them could be so unaware of the ways in which they themselves were not practicing those ideals. How could someone talk about freedom and equality, and yet own slaves?
> But I guess I am a bit of a Pollyanna when it comes to seeing the > good in people instead of the bad. I still think that most people > living here are decent, tolerant, and just plain *NICE*. Sure, there are plenty of nice people. Maybe even more nice people than nasty ones. But nice people can still be unaware of the ways that they perpetuate (and benefit from) the inequalities in society that really hurt other people. They might not even realize how difficult it is for other people who don't have the same privileges they do, because it's hard to see a social barrier unless you're on the receiving end. If the barrier doesn't hold you back, you don't need to see it.
So a lot of people mean well, and I truly believe they are good people, but they don't necessarily see how they are contributing to society's problems. I put myself in that category, too. I'm very aware of the ways that I'm treated unfairly because of this or that trait, but much less aware of ways that I get unfair advantages. I think that's true for most of us.
Joyce
CatNipped - 20 Dec 2005 13:37 GMT > > I do believe in the *IDEALS* it was founded on. Yes, we've had a > > brutal history - but still a history more idealistic than any other [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Joyce You're right there. And that brings us back to the original topic of this post. This is the very reason I think it's so important to make movies like Brokeback Mountain. Especially if it is well made and evocative, a movie can stimulate our empathy for others in society we might not normally even think much about.
Hugs,
CatNipped
idontmind@gmail.com - 20 Dec 2005 08:01 GMT > > Discrimination and hate are alive and well and > > living in America, and it's not just the GBLT's who are suffering. Ask [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > in this country, I wonder, given our brutal history, how it could have > been any other way? Bingo.
> > Two movies in less than a month, a new computer and flat-panel, to > > boot, yet you *bitch and moan* non-stop about not having any money! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I agree with you on the political issue, but I really don't understand > why you're attacking CN about something that isn't any of your business. She makes it my business by posting it here. If she doesn't want commentary she should quit posting. Until then she'll get it if and when I feel like commenting.
> Why do you care how she spends her money? If you think she bitches about > money too much, don't read her posts. And miss the train-wreck factor? No way! If you don't like to see me giving her both barrels, don't look.
-L.
Irulan - 18 Dec 2005 15:19 GMT Can't wait for the DVD. I hardly ever go to the theatres anymore, well not since STAR WARS I, but this is one DVD I'm buying. Lily's mama
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> Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > American tragedy of what happens to these men afterward that neither our > hearts nor consciences can so easily shake. Adrian - 18 Dec 2005 15:38 GMT > Can't wait for the DVD. I hardly ever go to the theatres anymore, > well not since STAR WARS I, but this is one DVD I'm buying. > Lily's mama Are you talking about the original Star Wars from 1977? I must admit, I usually prefer to watch DVDs, The last film I saw at the cinema was, Star Trek: Nemises. Often because films are shown later in the rest of the world I can buy the DVD from America before its theatrical release in England.
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Irulan - 18 Dec 2005 16:38 GMT >> Can't wait for the DVD. I hardly ever go to the theatres anymore, >> well not since STAR WARS I, but this is one DVD I'm buying. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A House is not a home, without a cat. > http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk No, no, it hasn't been THAT long, heh! I was referring to STAR WARS I, not STAR WARS III which was the original film in 1977. Lily's mama
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Gracecat - 19 Dec 2005 00:36 GMT >>> Can't wait for the DVD. I hardly ever go to the theatres anymore, >>> well not since STAR WARS I, but this is one DVD I'm buying. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > STAR WARS III which was the original film in 1977. > Lily's mama Hehe, too many star wars movies and chronology is all over the charts.
Technically SW IV was in 77 ;). 4-6 and then 1-3. III was the episode that was released last year.
Grace
Gracecat - 18 Dec 2005 15:29 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! Was listening to somebody on early morning radio and they had a comedian do a skit called "give the ten worst presents to their children"... One of the top five was action figures from Brokeback Mountain. He of course said something derogatory about the positions you can fit these dolls in but it sailed over my head. I guess I looked confused because Jody looked twice as confused at me.
He couldn't believe (me, normally open minded very proactive most anything Gracie) I hadn't heard about this film. I couldn't believe I hadn't either. But I do want to see it. It wasn't often though my husband gets one up on me in the art world.
:) Grace
Karen - 18 Dec 2005 21:15 GMT >> Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and >> beautiful film! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > :) > Grace One critic kept referring to it as "that gay cowboy movie" until he saw it. He said he would never think anything other than that it was an incredible love story again. It is pretty certain to be a favorite in the Best movie of the year category. I'm not sure, from what I've read so far, anything can take it down. I hope to see it in the next month or so.
Gracecat - 19 Dec 2005 00:40 GMT >>> Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and >>> beautiful film! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Best movie of the year category. I'm not sure, from what I've read so far, > anything can take it down. I hope to see it in the next month or so. Meanwhile I'm left pondering (Sorry Victor! *grin*) what's so special about Homosexual sex positions. I bet I could get my Barbie and Ken into some amazing situations too, gender be damned. But that's just the twisted side of me.
I'm still rather mystified Brokeback Mountain has nearly come and gone without me having heard of it. Friends and family have claimed I turned into a hermit over the last year. I guess so because this isn't the only thing I've nearly missed out on in the last month. So I guess in a way I'm grateful for narrowminded inconsiderate rude homophobic comedians. But then again, Victor would have clued me in with this thread so maybe I can do without the idiots after all.
Grace
Cheryl - 19 Dec 2005 01:00 GMT > I'm still rather mystified Brokeback Mountain has nearly come > and gone without me having heard of it. Friends and family have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > again, Victor would have clued me in with this thread so maybe I > can do without the idiots after all. Hermit here, too. It must be something that comes with the territory, sweetie. I think one day we'll go back to normal life, but it might take a while. *hugs*
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Susan M - 18 Dec 2005 15:56 GMT Hi Victor - I haven't seen it yet but hope to see it over the holidays. It was filmed just south of Calgary. That part of the foothills we call "God's country" and I think you can see why!
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> Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Here's an editorial from today's NYT that talks about it. Jo Firey - 18 Dec 2005 19:03 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sex scenes (plural) are more graphic than the one homo sex scene. It's a > beautiful and heart-breaking love story. This must be some movie. It's getting huge press and chat in the newsgroups and most people haven't even had a chance to see it yet.
Hope it doesn't take too long to get to DVD. I still miss too much dialogue to enjoy a movie theatre.
Jo
Karen - 18 Dec 2005 21:16 GMT >> Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and >> beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jo I wouldn't expect it before fall. It will be an Oscar nominee movie so they won't release it to DVD any time soon. It's already got the most Golden Globe noms.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Dec 2005 01:17 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very > long time. We could not stop thinking about the characters and the > scenery and the painful love that they both shared. I'm looking forward to seeing this, too. I tend not to go to first-run movies because they're so expensive, but I might make an exception in this case. Or try to catch a matinee. It does look like a beautiful movie.
Joyce
Victor Martinez - 19 Dec 2005 05:16 GMT > this case. Or try to catch a matinee. It does look like a beautiful movie. I *always* go to the matinee. It's less crowded and it's cheaper!
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Yoj - 19 Dec 2005 07:35 GMT So do I. Of course, I qualify for the senior discount, but I prefer watching a movie in an almost-empty theater. This Friday I had a private showing of Narnia.
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> > this case. Or try to catch a matinee. It does look like a beautiful movie. > > I *always* go to the matinee. It's less crowded and it's cheaper! John F. Eldredge - 01 Jan 2006 04:06 GMT >> this case. Or try to catch a matinee. It does look like a beautiful movie. > >I *always* go to the matinee. It's less crowded and it's cheaper! I got off early Friday, due to the holiday, so I made it to a 4:00 PM matinee performance of _Brokeback Mountain_. It is currently only showing at one location here in Nashville, but is on two screens in that theater. Out of 250 or so seats in the theater, there probably weren't more than 10 empty.
I agree that it was a good, although sad, love story.
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Karen - 09 Jan 2006 03:10 GMT >>> this case. Or try to catch a matinee. It does look like a beautiful movie. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I agree that it was a good, although sad, love story. It was sad, but you know, I said to my friend "there are not many people who get to have a love, a soul mate, like that ever." Heath Ledger was incredible.
Yoj - 19 Dec 2005 04:22 GMT I've heard it's very good, and plan to see it when I get a chance. My town isn't exactly small, but we don't get everything. However, I've found a small theater about 25 miles from here that shows some of the artsy films I can't see here, so I'll go there if necessary.
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> Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very [quoted text clipped - 160 lines] > too American tragedy of what happens to these men afterward that neither > our hearts nor consciences can so easily shake. David - 22 Dec 2005 23:52 GMT > Tom and I went to see Brokeback Mountain yesterday. What a haunting and > beautiful film! I haven't been mesmerized by a movie like that in a very [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sex scenes (plural) are more graphic than the one homo sex scene. It's a > beautiful and heart-breaking love story. Here in Tucson we have to wait until January 13, but at least it will come to Tucson!
I have not yet read the story upon which this movie is based. Somehow, though, it has caught and held my interest in a way that movies I haven't seen yet never do. The trailer, which I have seen, hints at the heartbreak that lies at the heart of this film, from everything I've read about the film. Something seems to be resonating deeply with many people who have seen it, from everything I have been reading on the Internet. And Googling "Brokeback Mountain" brings up over 8 million hits. I don't know what state I'll be in when I and my partner actually do see it....
David
guynoir - 23 Dec 2005 03:34 GMT > I don't know what state > I'll be in when I and my partner actually do see it.... > > David Arizona.
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David - 23 Dec 2005 20:04 GMT >> I don't know what state I'll be in when I and my partner actually do see >> it.... >> >> David > Arizona. I guess I left myself open for that....
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JKimmel - 23 Dec 2005 23:51 GMT You wanna see a groundbreaking homosexual cowboy romance/tragedy multiple Oscar contender/winner with harmonica music? Go see Midnight Cowboy, it's about twice as good. And it's music is about ten times better.
> I guess I left myself open for that.... > > David
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"Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." - When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
Karen - 09 Jan 2006 03:06 GMT Saw this tonight. This may be the best movie I have ever seen. I knew it would be good. I didn't know how good. It's definitely hands down best picture of the year. When my friend and I got up to leave, there was an older couple in the back row and the man was just sobbing and the lady with him was just patting his arm. While yes it was painful it was also a great love. There just wasn't a wrong note in the film.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Jan 2006 03:39 GMT > When my friend and I got up to leave, there was an older couple in > the back row and the man was just sobbing and the lady with him was > just patting his arm. Wow. Maybe this touched a nerve in his own life? Good works of art can be very effective at that...
Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Jan 2006 19:15 GMT > > When my friend and I got up to leave, there was an older couple in > > the back row and the man was just sobbing and the lady with him was > > just patting his arm. > > Wow. Maybe this touched a nerve in his own life? Good works of art can > be very effective at that... I've read so many good things about the film, I was shocked to read that some theater in Salt Lake City cancelled their scheduled screening of it! (On "moral" grounds, of course.) I guess there are still some benighted folks who think being "gay" is something one chooses! (And that anything that implies it's okay behaviour will somehow "convert" people not already so-inclined.)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Jan 2006 21:47 GMT > I've read so many good things about the film, I was shocked > to read that some theater in Salt Lake City cancelled their > scheduled screening of it! *Salt Lake City*, and you're shocked?? :)
OK, maybe it is shocking, in the sense that it's shocking that people are still so ignorant. But it's certainly not surprising, is it? :(
Joyce
David - 10 Jan 2006 18:26 GMT > > I've read so many good things about the film, I was shocked > > to read that some theater in Salt Lake City cancelled their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Joyce One of the accounts I read clarified that the cineplex is in Sandy, a very conservative suburb of Salt Lake City. The film has been showing in Salt Lake City proper.
David
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