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yepp - 09 Dec 2005 22:44 GMT
I have a cat, Bobby, that throws up all the foods I feed.  I then
switched to Wellness and that worked for him but I read that it causes
urinary tract disease in male cats.  So, I am now using Natural Balance
Allergy brand - has venison and green pea in it.  I think Dick
VanPatten is the creator of this.  Anyways, the cats seem to like it a
lot and no throwing up.  Anyone else using this brand?  I get it a
Petco.  Not sold in Petsmart.
jmcquown - 12 Dec 2005 00:52 GMT
> I have a cat, Bobby, that throws up all the foods I feed.  I then
> switched to Wellness and that worked for him but I read that it causes
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> lot and no throwing up.  Anyone else using this brand?  I get it a
> Petco.  Not sold in Petsmart.

I've never heard of it but then I've never really had problems with Persia
throwing up (except the rare, occasional hairball).  If it works and they
like it, sounds like a winner.  Otherwise I'd ask my vet.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 12 Dec 2005 20:28 GMT
> I have a cat, Bobby, that throws up all the foods I feed.  I then
> switched to Wellness and that worked for him but I read that it
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> to like it a lot and no throwing up.  Anyone else using this brand?
> I get it a Petco.  Not sold in Petsmart.

I've heard of dry food causing urinary tract problems.  What's this
about Wellness causing it?

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yepp - 13 Dec 2005 13:03 GMT
> > I have a cat, Bobby, that throws up all the foods I feed.  I then
> > switched to Wellness and that worked for him but I read that it
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I found this opinion on rateitall.com about Wellneess - read No. 8

http://www.rateitall.com/i-131199-wellness-cat-food.aspx

and later found some other people on forums saying their cats got
urinary tract infections from eating Wellness... so, I don't want to
take any chances.  The company change hands a while back and the
quality of their food is said to be not up to par from the original
blend.
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Dec 2005 16:52 GMT
> I found this opinion on rateitall.com about Wellneess - read No. 8
>
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> quality of their food is said to be not up to par from the original
> blend.

I'm not aware of the company changing hands ... it did change from
owning some of its own factories to contracting.  Is that what you're
thinking of?

Anyway, that link is about Wellness Lite, which is a dry food.  I tend
to think of Wellness only as the wet stuff, so I assumed you were
talkign about that.  In general, dry food tends to lead to urinary
issues, as well as diabetese (my doctor has "cured" several cats of the
need for insulin by switching them to no-dry diets) ... I figure, if
you're feeding a cat *any* dry food, you're upping the risk of serious
health issues, which is why I switched Oscar from dry to wet last year
(much to her dismay).

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yepp - 13 Dec 2005 21:50 GMT
> > I found this opinion on rateitall.com about Wellneess - read No. 8
> >
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It is the Wellness dry cat food.  Not Lite, but it is the dry food
which my boys eat 90% of the time.  I was not aware of this urinary
tract infection with dry cat food - any dry food.
My boys don't really care for canned and only slurp up the gravy in
Whiskas and sometimes like Max, Iams and Natural Choice.  I have read
awful things about Iams, so I only purchase a single can once in a
while of the beef because my cats like it so much.

But, I will have to do more research on this topic.  How old is Oscar?
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Dec 2005 23:22 GMT
> It is the Wellness dry cat food.  Not Lite, but it is the dry food
> which my boys eat 90% of the time.  I was not aware of this urinary
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> But, I will have to do more research on this topic.  How old is
> Oscar?

Oscar is about 5.  I switched her to canned food from dry almost
exactly one year ago.

For some reason, I can't find any of the links I know I read when
making this decision.

Here are the reasons I switched Oscar to canned food.  Note that these
are just things I have read; I'm not a vet or an animal nutritionist.
Certainly there are people out there supporting both canned and dry,
as well as others who support raw diets, home made diets, etc.

Anyway.

Hydration.  Cats typically don't drink much water; in the wild, they
get water from eating their prey.  So they tend to get dehydrated when
on a dry food diet, leading to bladder and kidney problems.  Canned
food is just one more way to get more liquid into them.

Carbs.  Cats are on an enforced Atkins diet; carbs in large amounts are
bad for them.  The technical term is "obligate carnivore."  Dry food has
way more carbs than wet food (especially if you seek out wet food that
doesn't use rice, etc for filler).  Because cats need fat and protein,
not carbs, they tend to overeat on dry food because they aren't getting
the nutrients they need.  Then their owners put them on diet food, which
has even less fat and protein, and it's even worse.  Dry food is like
kitty potato chips -- filler.  My vet believes that dry food is the
culprit in many cases of feline diabetes, and has gotten several
patients off of insulin by switching them to a non-dry diet.

The myth of clean teeth.  I always thought that cats benefitted from
getting their teeth "scrubbed" by kibble, but as it turns out, they
don't chew in such a way as to get much benefit from that.

My own experience.  When I switched Oscar from dry to wet, the change
was profound.  She lost quite a bit of weight, and went from "fluffy" to
well-proportioned.  She became noticably more energetic, doing things I
only associated with her kitten-era self.  And when I did give her a dry
food meal after a long time on wet, she sat around all day, looking like
she felt miserable, with nasty noises coming from her tummy.  

I feel like there are a bunch of other reasons I'm forgetting, but
there's a start ...

Anyway, Oscar really didn't care for canned food at first.  Even now,
she only likes certain flavors of certain brands.  But over the course
of a year, I've gotten her to actually clean her plate enthusiastically.
If your cat absolutely won't eat and is starving rather than eating dry,
then yes, I'd feed dry.  But missing one meal won't kill them.

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Cheryl - 13 Dec 2005 23:25 GMT
>> It is the Wellness dry cat food.  Not Lite, but it is the dry
>> food which my boys eat 90% of the time.  I was not aware of
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> starving rather than eating dry, then yes, I'd feed dry.  But
> missing one meal won't kill them.

Very well written and educated post. Yay for Oscar and you for
getting her on the canned diet!  I'm still working on Bonnie, but
she's now to the point where she'll eat her canned food first (but
not all of it) before moving to her dry. She stresses when she
doesn't get the dry, so she gets both for now.  This has been a
long process.

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yepp - 13 Dec 2005 23:32 GMT
> >> It is the Wellness dry cat food.  Not Lite, but it is the dry
> >> food which my boys eat 90% of the time.  I was not aware of
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> --
> Cheryl

I have read that eating canned with lead to tooth and gum problems and
I cannot brush my cat's teeth.  I am sure urinary tract is worse than
teeth problems, but do have a concern about that too.  Thanks for the
information!
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Dec 2005 00:27 GMT
> I have read that eating canned with lead to tooth and gum problems
> and I cannot brush my cat's teeth.  I am sure urinary tract is worse
> than teeth problems, but do have a concern about that too.  Thanks
> for the information!

I had read that too, but my understanding is that the studies leading
to talk of cleaning teeth by chewing were actually based on dogs.
Cats chew differently.

I do hedge my bets by giving crunchy treats occasionally; probably not
enough to affect Oscar's dental health, but hey, she likes them ...

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Marina - 14 Dec 2005 04:44 GMT
> I have read that eating canned with lead to tooth and gum problems and
> I cannot brush my cat's teeth.  I am sure urinary tract is worse than
> teeth problems, but do have a concern about that too.  Thanks for the
> information!

AIUI, a chunk of meat will clean cats' teeth better than dry food. When
they bite down on dry food, it just shatters, but when they bite on a
(raw) chunk of meat, the tooth sinks into the meat, and the friction
cleans it. This is what I've read, anyway. Sounds like a plausible way
for their teeth to stay healthy in the wild.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Dec 2005 23:03 GMT
> Very well written and educated post. Yay for Oscar and you for
> getting her on the canned diet!  I'm still working on Bonnie, but
> she's now to the point where she'll eat her canned food first (but
> not all of it) before moving to her dry. She stresses when she
> doesn't get the dry, so she gets both for now.  This has been a long
> process.

That would be tough.  I simply don't give Oscar dry food.  I'm sure
she'd ignore the wet if given any chance at all.  If I had to give her
some dry food, I doubt she'd ever have switched.

I'm impressed that Bonnie is eating the wet stuff first!  I guess she
knows it goes bad, while the dry will keep?

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