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Christina Websell - 07 Dec 2005 16:33 GMT
I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much overseas
postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
I really wanted to send to everyone on the list especially those on receive
only as I was on receive only last year because I'd been very ill.
To be sensible, although I really want to do it I realise my budget won't
allow me to send to everyone on the list.
I've decided I'll send to everyone I know who posts on rpca.  Plus BlueBird.
Although I don't know her, she is ill, just like I was last year.
And a few on receive only.  Please excuse me if you don't get a card from us
this year, I hope to do better next year.  Sorry.

Tweed
jmcquown - 07 Dec 2005 16:42 GMT
> I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much
> overseas postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
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>
> Tweed

You see why I'm offering e-cards?  It's very expensive to do all the
postage.  I sent a paper card to my parents who don't have a computer (and
who wouldn't know what to do with one if they did!).  Even for them I sent a
card I'd bought a lot of back around the year 2001... they won't remember
it!

Cards and postage are expensive and they have other things to worry about.
So don't you worry, Christine.  I know your thoughts are here for the
holidays.  Take care.

Jill & Persia & Peaches
Christina Websell - 07 Dec 2005 17:15 GMT
>> I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much
>> overseas postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
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>
> Jill & Persia & Peaches

I feel in a sort of special situation regarding this.  In 2004 I'd been off
work for ages through eye ops, at Christmas I was in a no wage situation
before getting back to work in January.  I felt okay about being receive
only that year.  I was resolved to send to everyone this year to make up for
it.
Hmmm.  I hadn't counted on getting ovarian cancer this year and being rushed
into hospital in April :-(   A major op in May, leading me again into a no
wage situation..  I went back too early to work in August.
My manager said to me only the other day  "You were on Fuller's Earth rather
than the real Earth when you came back!"  Too many meds, I guess.
I had so many get well cards from rpca, and flowers at that time, it really
made a difference.
So I will try to send all the holiday cards I can, and for any who miss out,
I'll try and do better next year. Promise.

Tweed
(yours is on the way, Jill)
Adrian - 07 Dec 2005 18:03 GMT
> I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much
> overseas postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Tweed

Postage cost was the reason I sent small cards to everyone, as they were
under 10 grammes they only cost 47p for international and 42p for europe. It
would have cost roughly another £8.00 if I'd sent bigger cards.
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A House is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

lewe - 07 Dec 2005 18:04 GMT
>I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much overseas
>postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> And a few on receive only.  Please excuse me if you don't get a card from
> us this year, I hope to do better next year.  Sorry.

Postage for as many international cards as on the list is a lot of money.
From Sweden it's just as bad, even slightly more and no special Christmas
card price either like we get for domestic cards.
don't worry about not sending cards, it's not about making anyone feel bad -
enjoy the cards you get, we understand.
Best
Lena

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lewe
lewemi at yahoo dot se | cats' pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

Enfilade - 07 Dec 2005 19:11 GMT
> don't worry about not sending cards, it's not about making anyone feel bad -
> enjoy the cards you get, we understand.

Exactly.  I've caught a lot of hell for not joining the list /last
year/-- (I didn't because I was ill and either un-or under-employed all
year, and knew I couldn't send anything)--you do what you can, you
enjoy what you get, you are understanding to those who cannot send or
cannot send to everyone.

I caught a small break...In Canada, if you are sending more than $5 in
cards out of the country and you bring the cards to point of mailing
for stamps, you do not have to pay taxes on the stamps.  (If you want
to buy out of country stamps and put them on at home, you have to pay
the taxes to take the stamps home with you...but if you put the stamps
on the cards right there at the post office, no taxes for prices over
$5.)

--Fil
CatNipped - 07 Dec 2005 19:36 GMT
> > don't worry about not sending cards, it's not about making anyone feel bad -
> > enjoy the cards you get, we understand.
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> enjoy what you get, you are understanding to those who cannot send or
> cannot send to everyone.

*WHO*!???  Who gave you hell for not joining???!  Never mind, I don't want
to know.

Hey, people do as they can, and not everyone is in the same situation at the
same time and that's *NOBODY'S* fault!

This time of year is about giving to those who haven't got - *NOT* about
what you receive in return.

Getting cards from all over the world is a kick.  But the real reward for me
is thinking up my "storyline", gathering pictures of my cats from the past
year, creating the cards, and going to the post office with cards to over a
*HUNDRED* friends (??!??) [forgive me, but having grown up as a shy geek,
having even *ONE* friend is a big deal to me].

Those of us here who can't afford cards and postage, or who are in a
situation where they can't get out to purchase cards or postage, well it
seems to me that those are the people who most need the lift receiving cards
can give.  I applaud Tweed for recognizing that fact and sending first to
those on the "receive only" part of the list first.

I don't even keep track of who has not sent me a card, I just get a thrill
out of each card I do get and looking at all those cards decorating my stair
rail knowing that I've never had this many friends before or have ever felt
such a sense of belonging and camaderie as I do in this group!

Hugs,

CatNipped

> I caught a small break...In Canada, if you are sending more than $5 in
> cards out of the country and you bring the cards to point of mailing
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>
> --Fil
Yowie - 07 Dec 2005 20:02 GMT
>> > don't worry about not sending cards, it's not about making anyone feel
> bad -
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> *WHO*!???  Who gave you hell for not joining???!  Never mind, I don't want
> to know.

I was deeply surprised to hear that too. Its *very* un-RPCA like. However, I
do hope that if it was a regular he or she was just having a bad day or
something and wouldn't be saying such things if they were feeling more like
themselves.

> I don't even keep track of who has not sent me a card, I just get a thrill
> out of each card I do get and looking at all those cards decorating my
> stair
> rail knowing that I've never had this many friends before or have ever
> felt
> such a sense of belonging and camaderie as I do in this group!

Exactly. I too was a shy geek who was even teased at school for having no
friends. I *love* getting the cards, but even more, I love sending the cards
out, especially to people like Bluebird and Norma Munday who may not post
here much, but aren't forgotten.

Yowie
Dan M - 07 Dec 2005 20:47 GMT
> Exactly. I too was a shy geek who was even teased at school for having no
> friends. I *love* getting the cards, but even more, I love sending the cards
> out, especially to people like Bluebird and Norma Munday who may not post
> here much, but aren't forgotten.
>
> Yowie

I think I might be detecting a pattern here - I was a painfully shy geek.
Was? My real-life friends are my wife, brother, and mom, and a couple
other people I haven't seen in many years. The folks I've met through RPCA
and RPCC are much closer friends than anyone else ever has been, aside
from family.

I don't generally get into the holiday spirit much, but I really do enjoy
sending holiday cards to my fellow cat-lovers. ESPECIALLY to those who are
in situations that make them unable to send cards themselves. It seems to
me that the folks in more difficult situations are even more needing of a
word of support and understanding.

Dan
Enfilade - 07 Dec 2005 21:03 GMT
> *WHO*!???  Who gave you hell for not joining???!  Never mind, I don't want
> to know.

Not real hell, CN, fake hell...y'know, the strong encouragement that
taking part is more important than "holding up my end of the bargain."

I was raised in a family where it was expected that I never take
assistance, charity, or ask for help from anyone.  I was not allowed to
take gifts or payment that I didn't "Earn" somehow.  I was not allowed
to have birthday parties because my parents thought it was
inappropriate for me to be given gifts by friends (though I was
permitted to attend the parties of others and give them gifts).  I was
not allowed to go to the doctor or the optician (my school had to
arrange for eye testing for me and send a strong letter to my parents,
because I could not see the board from a desk, not even a desk at the
front of the room) because it was "Admitting weakness".

I am trying to shed the more extremes of this thinking but I realized
it last year when folks said they wished that I had joined the list
last year...I, of course, declined because I could not afford to send
cards and felt it was "Wrong" To take them in return...  For some
reason I think it is fine for other people to be on "Receive only" but
not me...  DP says I need to cure myself of this attitude, and I think
he's right.

I believe YOU were one of the people who "gave me hell" last year :)
And good on you, too.  I need to ditch this twisted, self-crucifying
pride.

--Fil
CatNipped - 07 Dec 2005 21:36 GMT
> > *WHO*!???  Who gave you hell for not joining???!  Never mind, I don't want
> > to know.
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> And good on you, too.  I need to ditch this twisted, self-crucifying
> pride.

Did I??!  Oh, um, never mind!  ;>

Seriously, Fil, sometimes letting someone do something for us is the hardest
thing to do, but we have to do it.  A lot of people, me included, grew up in
a "prideful" household, and there is nothing wrong with that - it gives us
the determination to make it on our own.  [When I divorced my
abusive-alcoholic ex, I refused food stamps, welfare, and legal aid and
struggled along on a minimum wage, supporting two children (with *NO* child
support) and putting myself through college so I could improve our lot.]

However, when you refuse to let people help you, you are denying them the
pleasure they may get in being able to extend a hand to a friend.

After Katrina, a number of people - some from this group - sent offers of
help for my family (clothes, band instruments, toys).  I *SO* wanted to say,
"No, that's OK, we'll manage on our own."  The problem was that we really
couldn't manage on our own and the help we received was not only materially
valued, but the emotional connection we got from receiving that help boosted
our spirits at a time when that was needed that even more than material
things.  And it also allowed others to be a "guardian angel" to us and get
the spiritual and emotional satisfaction that *that* brings.

Any way, off my soap box now.  Just remember that when you love someone -
even someone you may have never even met in person - *that* is more
important than pride is.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> --Fil
Enfilade - 07 Dec 2005 21:56 GMT
> Any way, off my soap box now.  Just remember that when you love someone -
> even someone you may have never even met in person - *that* is more
> important than pride is.

Exactly.  And...as I say about many things...it's all about balance.
About avoiding the pitfalls that come from having /too much/ pride and
isolating yourself, suffering needlessly when there are those more than
willing to help you, AS WELL AS those that come from having /no/ pride,
and simply scamming everything you can off those around you.

DP gave me incredible hell during my underemployment when he realized I
was skipping meals at noon instead of asking him for money to buy
things to make lunches with, or to buy lunches out.  I thought I was
doing a good thing (not mooching) when in fact I was doing a bad thing
(hurting myself, and making him watch it.)  He sat me down and told me
there was a big difference between asking him to buy me stuff I didn't
need, and asking him to give me a hand with my half of the bills or to
buy food.

I now realize how strange my parents were to be proud of me for going
on a 5 mile hike with an inflamed appendix instead of asking to stay
behind.  I grew up thinking that asking to stay behind and sleep was
wrong and shameful, while gritting my teeth and going on the hike
(while hiding the pain from those around me) was good and admirable.  I
grew up thinking that was "normal."  When I finally did get that
appendix out--two months after the hike, after my teacher drove me to
the emergency department--the doctors were shocked at my constant
apologies and at my parents' insistence that I was "weak" and "whiny."
The doctor told my mom flat out that I was hard as nails.

I still don't know why she--or I--is/am so proud of that comment.

--Fil
polonca12000 - 07 Dec 2005 22:08 GMT
I really do hope you can change this way of thinking, Fil. You have
every right to be here just the way you are AND get help if you need it.
But I know that asking for it can be hard sometimes.
We are sending lots of purrs and hugs just for you,
Polonca and Soncek

> I was raised in a family where it was expected that I never take
> assistance, charity, or ask for help from anyone.  I was not allowed to
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>
> --Fil
Adrian - 07 Dec 2005 22:43 GMT
>> *WHO*!???  Who gave you hell for not joining???!  Never mind, I
>> don't want to know.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> --Fil

Please join the list next year, Fil, even if it is recieve only.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
A House is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

Enfilade - 07 Dec 2005 23:49 GMT
> Please join the list next year, Fil, even if it is recieve only.
> --

I will do that :)

This year, I'm in school on a scholarship, so I have, if not oodles of
money, enough for occasional treats like postage, toys for my toy
collection, new clothes.  I've also laid away cards for next year, so
that at least is done.

I will finish my thesis in August, and then we will see what kind of
work I can find.  The odds are high that I will be able to teach
another class (the way I am doing this year) and have some money that
way...if I can find a second part time job to balance around teaching,
I will be as well off as i am this year.

Regardless, my name will be on that list.

--Fil
ann791 - 08 Dec 2005 01:50 GMT
I send Email cards  to friends far away or someone needing something to
brighten their day. There is nothing wrong in recieving the cards even if
you can't send any. Just enjoy the fact that you have friends that care.
Ann

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>> Please join the list next year, Fil, even if it is recieve only.
>> --
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> --Fil
Julie Cook - 07 Dec 2005 19:35 GMT
> I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much overseas
> postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Tweed

Actually I believe you are on the list as "receive only". You didn't
respond to my call for the list but you've had a tough year and we
thought you deserved cards from anyone who felt like sending them. There
are a number of people that we add to the receive only list because we
want to remember them. Personally, I save all of my lists and if someone
falls off the list one year they get a card from me regardless.

Julie
<who is working on cards and hopes to have them sent this week>
Christina Websell - 07 Dec 2005 20:43 GMT
>> I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much
>> overseas postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> respond to my call for the list but you've had a tough year and we thought
> you deserved cards from anyone who felt like sending them.

I did mail back to say to include me this year.  I guess you didn't get it.
I asked another member to send me the list.  I did want to try and do it
this year, it would be too embarrassing to be on receive only for a second
year.

There
> are a number of people that we add to the receive only list because we
> want to remember them. Personally, I save all of my lists and if someone
> falls off the list one year they get a card from me regardless.
>
> Julie
> <who is working on cards and hopes to have them sent this week>
Yowie - 07 Dec 2005 19:55 GMT
>I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much overseas
>postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> And a few on receive only.  Please excuse me if you don't get a card from
> us this year, I hope to do better next year.  Sorry.

Don't stress yourself about it, Tweed.

If you wanted to, you could always send out the rest of hte cards during the
year as you could afford it. Whilst getting holiday cards are lovely,
getting a surprise card in the mail for no reason other than friendship is
also very special.

Just a thought,

Yowie
singh - 09 Dec 2005 04:49 GMT
Who is doing the card list? I tried to send an email but the darn thing wouldn't
go through. I'd like to be on the list and have an updated copy sent to me,
please!

Elizabeth & Louis Singh
4672 North Bailey Ave.
Amherst NY 14226

> I am sending a few off day by day.  It's really shocking how much overseas
> postage is for each card.  68p.  I sent 10 today.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Tweed
Adrian - 09 Dec 2005 12:46 GMT
> Who is doing the card list? I tried to send an email but the darn
> thing wouldn't go through. I'd like to be on the list and have an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 4672 North Bailey Ave.
> Amherst NY 14226

List sent.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
A House is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

Julie Cook - 09 Dec 2005 15:12 GMT
I'll take care of it Baha. It appears I didn't get several email
requests (primarily for the list from ppl included on the receive only
list). For that I am very sorry. I don't know what happened. I'll send
you the list immediately.
Julie

> Who is doing the card list? I tried to send an email but the darn thing wouldn't
> go through. I'd like to be on the list and have an updated copy sent to me,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>
>>Tweed
Singh - 12 Dec 2005 01:42 GMT
I think you may have to try the list again, Adrian and/or Julie; I had the
return-email thing here set for on old email address that had to be deleted because I
had too much spam and too little to cook it with. My proper email address is
bahadur@localnet.com.

Blessed be,
Baha

> I'll take care of it Baha. It appears I didn't get several email
> requests (primarily for the list from ppl included on the receive only
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> >>
> >>Tweed
 
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