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NMR - 05 Dec 2005 18:53 GMT
http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html
Karen - 05 Dec 2005 19:33 GMT
Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.

???????????

> http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html
Karen - 05 Dec 2005 19:53 GMT
Let me clarify. He did not FORGET. He knew he had done wrong but SAID he
forgot. I hope he didn't get off scott free on this incident. Poor cat.

> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
> refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.
>
> ???????????
>
> > http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html
Gabey8 - 05 Dec 2005 22:47 GMT
[[Let me clarify. He did not FORGET. He knew he had done wrong but SAID he
forgot. I hope he didn't get off scott free on this incident. Poor cat.

"Karen" <kchuplis@nospamalltel.net> wrote in message
news:7qudnQyZx5L_CAnenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
> refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> > http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html
> > ]]

Thank God the cat survived. Poor kitty!

The kid who did this was only 4 years old. I have a feeling that he won't
truly understand how big of a mistake this was until he's a few years
older.

I think the best the parents can do at this point is to impress on him to
always let THEM make decisions about how to keep cats safe. And never,
ever to put anything but food into refrigerators, ovens, etc.

Whew. Chalk up one more for the "avoid letting small kids interact with
animals unsupervised" theory. It might not be possible to prevent 100% of
the time, but if an adult is present as often as possible when small kids
are with pets, that's definitely best.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
jmcquown - 05 Dec 2005 23:57 GMT
> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
> refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.
>
> ???????????

Safe from WHAT?!

This child bears close watching.  Maybe it's nothing more than innocent
misunderstanding... but at age 4 I sure wouldn't have thought about keeping
a pet "safe" from anything by shutting it in a refrigerator.

Jill

>> http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html
Enfilade - 06 Dec 2005 02:57 GMT
> This child bears close watching.  Maybe it's nothing more than innocent
> misunderstanding... but at age 4 I sure wouldn't have thought about keeping
> a pet "safe" from anything by shutting it in a refrigerator.

Agreed.  I grew up on a farm and I knew much, much better than to put
the cats into anything they couldn't get out of.  I always checked the
grainery for cats if I was playing in there because I knew cats needed
water and there was none in the grainary, so when I shut the door I
made sure the cats were all out.  Otherwise I left the door open and
would come back and shut it later.

--Fil
glad the kitty survived
Enfilade - 06 Dec 2005 02:59 GMT
> > Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
> > refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.

I must add, why do they have a dead fridge in their barn anyway?  You'd
more expect the KID to shut HIMSELF inside the fridge.

If the fridge is working and they're using it to store stuff, surely
they'd be going into it more than once a month...

and if they're NOT, it should be disposed of so stuff like this can't
happen.

My dad always kept our farm really clean (no dead cars, rusting
equpiment hulks, throwaway fridges, etc) but he knew the neighbours
didn't and I was told at a very young age to NEVER climb into discarded
freezers/fridges (or working ones).

--Fil
Cheryl - 06 Dec 2005 03:04 GMT
> I must add, why do they have a dead fridge in their barn anyway?
>  You'd more expect the KID to shut HIMSELF inside the fridge.

I think the parents need to keep a closer eye on things. I don't
blame the child. How come they allow a 4 year old unsupervised in the
barn?

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 06 Dec 2005 04:44 GMT
>> I must add, why do they have a dead fridge in their barn anyway?
>>  You'd more expect the KID to shut HIMSELF inside the fridge.
>
> I think the parents need to keep a closer eye on things. I don't
> blame the child. How come they allow a 4 year old unsupervised in
> the barn?

I agree! I hope this incident woke them up to the fact that they're
not paying enough attention.

Joyce
jmcquown - 06 Dec 2005 05:55 GMT
>>> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
>>> refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If the fridge is working and they're using it to store stuff, surely
> they'd be going into it more than once a month...

The door should be removed... how many times in the last 40-50 years have we
heard don't just take old refrigerators to a dump where kids might think
they are fun to play in?!  Umpteen million times.  Kids used to get locked
in refrigerators and freezers.  But this child PUT a cat in the
refrigerator.  Cats don't have opposable thumbs.  As smart as we'd like to
think they are, they can't open a refrigerator from the inside.

Something is wrong here.  Really wrong.  The more I think about it, the more
upset I get.

> and if they're NOT, it should be disposed of so stuff like this can't
> happen.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> --Fil
CatNipped - 06 Dec 2005 14:05 GMT
> >>> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
> >>> refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> >
> > --Fil

Well, first off I'd be missing the cat after a few hours and then start
questioning the child.  It seems they don't take much responsibility for
*any* of the creatures under their care!

Hugs,

CatNipped
kilikini - 06 Dec 2005 14:29 GMT
> > >>> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in a
> > >>> refrigerator in the family's barn to keep it safe.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> CatNipped

I would have to agree with CatNipped on this one.

kili
Gracecat - 06 Dec 2005 15:59 GMT
>> > >>> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in
>> > >>> a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> kili

Well, it's not the child's fault. What four year old even knows what
responsiblity is? They're still in a very "SELF" revolving stage.

While I do agree that this event would be subject of a good talk with the
four year old about why you should never play around things like this, and
never ever shut animals away... the one who didn't show responsibility is
the adult for allowing a four year old to play with an animal unintended.

*shrugs* It's just me but I can't comprehend 4yr old and responsibility in
the same sentence when I know beyond the very basics such as picking up toys
and maybe setting the table etc (very routine daily things) the child has
zero capability because they have not adapted mentally to possess the
recognition or cognizence (spelling) of this trait in unfamiliar situations.

Kind of unfair to lay that much on such a young child.

Grace
CatNipped - 06 Dec 2005 16:17 GMT
> >> > >>> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat in
> >> > >>> a
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Grace

Maybe I said it wrong, but that's exactly what I meant - the parents should
have looked for the cat the same day it went missing and in that search
should have questioned the child about the cat's whereabouts.  But before
even that, as you said, the child should not have been playing,
unsupervised, in the barn with the cat!

Hugs,

CatNipped
NMR - 06 Dec 2005 17:04 GMT
Animal and child services should get involved  here
Some serious counseling needs to occurs for the family.
I can understand not worrying about a cat ( unless it was a inside cat that
got out or was always inside ) on the farm for about 24 hours unless heavy
equipment had been running
but the next day there has been some searching.  If you lived on a farm you
would understand about that.
Here there is a law about old frigs  you must have the frig sealed or the
door removed when being dumped.

>> >> > >>> Tyce Honer, 4, said he forgot he had put Louis the 10-pound cat
> in
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> CatNipped
Julie Cook - 06 Dec 2005 17:06 GMT
Outside of what I consider animal abuse on the part of the parents I
have to wonder why in the world they have an apparent empty refrigerator
that a 4 year old could climb into! I think DFCS and animal rescue needs
to be investigating this situation.

Julie
Jo Firey - 06 Dec 2005 21:55 GMT
> Outside of what I consider animal abuse on the part of the parents I have
> to wonder why in the world they have an apparent empty refrigerator that a
> 4 year old could climb into! I think DFCS and animal rescue needs to be
> investigating this situation.
>
> Julie

There used to be a real push to educate people on the dangers of abandoned
refrigerators.   A child could suffocate in one in a matter of hours.

Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 06 Dec 2005 22:36 GMT
>> Outside of what I consider animal abuse on the part of the parents I have
>> to wonder why in the world they have an apparent empty refrigerator that a
>> 4 year old could climb into! I think DFCS and animal rescue needs to be
>> investigating this situation.
>>
>> Julie

> There used to be a real push to educate people on the dangers of abandoned
> refrigerators.   A child could suffocate in one in a matter of hours.

> Jo

I thought that became less urgent when the manufacturers stopped putting
latches on their refrigerators. A child (but not a cat, of course) could
easily push open a modern fridge from the inside, but couldn't open the
old ones with their latches.

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Cheryl

jmcquown - 07 Dec 2005 00:44 GMT
>>> Outside of what I consider animal abuse on the part of the parents
>>> I have to wonder why in the world they have an apparent empty
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> couldn't open the
> old ones with their latches.

All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a fridge with a
latch on it.

Jill
Jo Firey - 07 Dec 2005 03:45 GMT
>>>> Outside of what I consider animal abuse on the part of the parents
>>>> I have to wonder why in the world they have an apparent empty
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Jill

You are about ten years too young.  We never had one, but I have seen them
at relatives, etc.

Jo
Jane - 07 Dec 2005 12:47 GMT
>> All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
>> refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a fridge with
>> a latch on it.

We had one when I was a child.  Yes, I am now Officially Older Than Dirt!

Jane
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John F. Eldredge - 07 Dec 2005 03:49 GMT
>>>> Outside of what I consider animal abuse on the part of the parents
>>>> I have to wonder why in the world they have an apparent empty
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Jill

My parents had a refrigerator with a latch, which they had bought
second-hand in the early 1950s, so it possibly dated back to the late
1940s (probably not earlier than that, based on its appearance).   It
had a lever-action handle about 9 inches high, and, even with the
leverage, you had to pull hard.  The handle broke off around 1980, and
my father drilled into the handle stub to attach a new handle.  He
finally discarded it after the compressor broke down around 1990,
having given four decades of service.

That machine had a strong-enough latch that even an adult would have
had difficulty forcing the door open from inside, unless you had some
sort of crowbar available.

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Cheryl Perkins - 07 Dec 2005 12:03 GMT
> All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
> refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a fridge with a
> latch on it.

My grandparents' fridge did, and that's going back a while. That fridge
was probably older than I was; my grandfather never believed in getting
something new while the old one still worked and he was good at keeping
stuff operating.

I always heard that the switch from that style of door to the current
style was made specifically because of the danger of children getting
trapped in the old fridges, and it was only the old fridges that had to
have their doors removed when discarded.

Those old-style fridges were very solidly built and had sturdy latches,
with no way of opening them from the inside.

This site lists 1958 as the date on which US manufacturers had to produce
fridges without the older dangerous latches.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/5072.html

I've seen one of the old style fridges in regular use in the 1990s.

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Bridget - 07 Dec 2005 12:40 GMT
> All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
> refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a fridge with a
> latch on it.
>
> Jill

When I was a kid, and I'm only 39 ( a few more days yet before I have to
admit to 40) we had a fridge with a latch on it.  It was hard to open
when I was really little.  Eventually the latch broke and my parents
held it closed with bungee cords or whatever similar things they had
back then.  I definitely couldn't open that!  We got a new one when I
was about 9 or 10 I think.  It was pretty cool.

Bridget
Adrian - 07 Dec 2005 16:26 GMT
>> All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
>> refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Bridget

LOL, I'm glad "It was pretty cool" ;o)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Dec 2005 19:23 GMT
> All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
> refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a
> fridge with a latch on it.

My dad kept an old fridge with a latch on it for his basement bar.  It
was pretty cool (no pun intended).  I think it's in the garage, now
that they've moved to a smaller house.  I tried to convince him to
give it to me, but no go.

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Mishi - 08 Dec 2005 00:11 GMT
>> All I know is all my life I've heard if you have an old, unused
>> refrigerator, remove the door.  I don't ever remember seeing a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>that they've moved to a smaller house.  I tried to convince him to
>give it to me, but no go.

We used to have a fridge with a V handle - if you pulled it to the
left, the door would open to the right, and vice versa.  Definitely
different!


petlover - 07 Dec 2005 04:53 GMT
> Well, it's not the child's fault.

Not completely. The parents share fault, too.

> What four year old even knows what
> responsiblity is? They're still in a very "SELF" revolving stage.

It's not too soon for them to start learning.

> While I do agree that this event would be subject of a good talk with
> the four year old about why you should never play around things like
> this, and never ever shut animals away... the one who didn't show
> responsibility is the adult for allowing a four year old to play with
> an animal unintended.

True.

> *shrugs* It's just me but I can't comprehend 4yr old and
> responsibility in the same sentence when I know beyond the very basics
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Kind of unfair to lay that much on such a young child.

No it isn't. It's never too soon to teach kids to have some respect for
living beings. The parents need to get off their lazy a.ses and do their
damn job.
Prozack - 07 Dec 2005 12:51 GMT
> http://www.local6.com/news/5468399/detail.html

Since a minor is involved
I would just relieve them of the cat.
 
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