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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 03 Dec 2005 10:33 GMT
A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
porcupines? Possums? Hedgehogs? Bats sleeping inside anemone? Vegetable
scrubbers? You decide. It's a pretty incredible photo nonetheless.

http://home.sonic.net/~jwermont/misc/kastanje.jpg

Joyce

PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
of anything about the animal.
Marina - 03 Dec 2005 10:45 GMT
> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.

Awww! They're baby hedgehogs.

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Nanny - 03 Dec 2005 10:48 GMT
Yes, they're baby hedgehogs, white ones. They're kept as pets by some
people.

Nanny

>A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.
Christine K. - 03 Dec 2005 11:06 GMT
> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.

Looks like baby hedgehogs to me. Just put hedgehog into a Google images
search, and you'll get a few more just like those.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 03 Dec 2005 11:28 GMT
> Looks like baby hedgehogs to me. Just put hedgehog into a Google images
> search, and you'll get a few more just like those.

You're right! Hedgehogs they are! The sites are very interesting, too.

Are they related to porcupines?

Joyce
Christine K. - 03 Dec 2005 14:44 GMT
>  > Looks like baby hedgehogs to me. Just put hedgehog into a Google images
>  > search, and you'll get a few more just like those.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Joyce

The weirdest thing is, that when I put porcupines into a Google images
search, one of the results was that exact picture!
(www.nicholasroussos.com/images/porcupine-baby.jpg)
But they sure look like hedgehogs to me. And I can't remember seeing or
reading about porcupines rolling up like the hedgehogs do when they feel
in danger. Don't know if porcupines and hedgehogs are related, we don't
have porcupines in Finland, only hedgehogs.

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Wayne Mitchell - 03 Dec 2005 14:54 GMT
>You're right! Hedgehogs they are! The sites are very interesting, too.
>
>Are they related to porcupines?

Only distantly.  Porcupines are in the Rodentia; hedgehogs are
Insectivora -- so more closely related to moles.

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Gabey8 - 03 Dec 2005 14:28 GMT
What cuties! As others have already posted, they're hedgehogs. I never saw
pictures of baby hedgehogs before. My jury is out on whether hedgehogs
fall into the "exotic animals that might not make ideal pets" category,
since I just plain don't know enough about them. But no wonder people took
an interest in making pets of them... they're adorable little critters!

Donna, and the far-less-prickly Captain and Stanley
Kreisleriana - 03 Dec 2005 15:24 GMT
>A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
>from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
>of anything about the animal.

They are baby hedgehogs!!    By pure coincidence, I was looking at the
Wikipedia entry on hedgehogs a day or two ago, and that very same
picture was on the page.  I think hedgehogs are cute as all get-out.
;)

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wafflycat - 03 Dec 2005 16:39 GMT
> They are baby hedgehogs!!    By pure coincidence, I was looking at the
> Wikipedia entry on hedgehogs a day or two ago, and that very same
> picture was on the page.  I think hedgehogs are cute as all get-out.
> ;)

Loadsa piggies in my garden. Said piggies are native to UK and are most
welcome in gardens by gardeners, since such piggies devour slugs & snails
wot eat stuff gardeners grow. In the wild, such piggies are covered in
fleas, though - *huge* fleas.

Cheers, helen s
Adrian - 03 Dec 2005 21:00 GMT
>> They are baby hedgehogs!!    By pure coincidence, I was looking at
>> the Wikipedia entry on hedgehogs a day or two ago, and that very same
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Cheers, helen s

The hedgehogs with any sense are hibernating by now. Though this year there
were  lot of late babies, which sadly, won't survibve the winter without
help. :-(
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Karen - 03 Dec 2005 16:40 GMT
> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.

What bizarre little creatures those hedgehogs are! They look like
something out of Harry Potter!
Kreisleriana - 03 Dec 2005 17:20 GMT
>> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
>> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>What bizarre little creatures those hedgehogs are! They look like
>something out of Harry Potter!

Seeing them rolled up like that reminds me that they were used as the
balls in the croquet game in "Alice in Wonderland."
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/alice_croquet.jpg

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Dec 2005 17:44 GMT
> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.

Hedgehogs, aren't they?  (I'm not sure we have them in the
U.S. - they're similar to porcupines, but a different animal.)
William Hamblen - 03 Dec 2005 19:47 GMT
> Hedgehogs, aren't they?  (I'm not sure we have them in the
> U.S. - they're similar to porcupines, but a different animal.)

Hedgehogs aren't native to the Americas.

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Christina Websell - 03 Dec 2005 18:06 GMT
> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.

They are hedgehogs, and very baby ones at that.  Even at that young age they
will curl up in response to a perceived threat.  An older one can curl up
more tightly than that, which is great if they are threatened by a dog, or a
badger - badgers "really" like to eat them - but it's not so good if they
curl up when they are crossing the road and a car is coming :-(
They are native here in the UK, and nocturnal.

When Kitty FC was still living outside because I had my whippets, I used to
feed her twice a day in a little wooden hut in the garden and I would
sometimes see a hedgehog eating her food if she happened to be somewhere
else when I put it out.
There was a standoff once.  Kitty arrived a little late for her supper and a
hedgehog was already slurping up her food.  She was not best pleased and
approached the saucer with a view to taking control of it.
Now, when hedgehogs start to curl up they do it head first, straight between
their legs.  So picture this. Kitty approaches the hedgehog which is eating
her ownfood, unfortunately she decided to do it head to head, the hedgehog
immediately curled when it saw her so near and by doing so, it's head pushed
forward and she was spiked with a hundred needles right on her face.
It was a pure accident of course but for the rest of her time outside if a
hedgehog happened to be dining from her saucer before she got there, she
would just sit back until it had finished!
Hedgehogs hibernate during the winter, but they have to be at least over a
pound (more than 500 grams)  in weight to survive.  Some litters are born
too late in the year to get up to survival weight before the winter.
Nuele, my friend in Germany, is at present looking after a baby hedgehog
that weighs 380 grams.
I apologise if this is far too much information about hedgehogs.  My excuse
is - I like them!  I have made a place for them to hibernate in my garden.
Yes, like Helen says, they are alive with fleas.  It's the first thing that
needs be sorted if they come into a rescue facility.

Tweed
mlbriggs - 03 Dec 2005 18:35 GMT
>> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
>> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> Tweed

Thanks for the interesting information.  We city dwellers seldom see
things like this.   How large do they grow?   MLB
wafflycat - 03 Dec 2005 20:13 GMT
> Thanks for the interesting information.  We city dwellers seldom see
> things like this.   How large do they grow?   MLB

ooh... about a foot long & they are quite rotund & will aeigh about 4-5lbs
as adults

Cheers, helen s
Adrian - 03 Dec 2005 21:05 GMT
>> Thanks for the interesting information.  We city dwellers seldom see
>> things like this.   How large do they grow?   MLB
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Cheers, helen s

Have you ever heard the noise they make when two of them meet? I'm sure
that's why they got called hogs, they sound just like pigs grunting. :-)
Facinating creatures.
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wafflycat - 03 Dec 2005 22:08 GMT
> Have you ever heard the noise they make when two of them meet? I'm sure
> that's why they got called hogs, they sound just like pigs grunting. :-)
> Facinating creatures.

Aye - they snuffle like pigs too!

Cheers, helen s
Cathi - 03 Dec 2005 23:34 GMT
>Have you ever heard the noise they make when two of them meet? I'm sure
>that's why they got called hogs, they sound just like pigs grunting. :-)
>Facinating creatures.
 Goodness, yes.  My parents' house was (still is!) a bungalow, so all
accommodation was at ground level.  My bedroom overlooked the back
garden.  The snurfling and grunting of a pair of hodgepigs woke me up on
more than one occasion.
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Takayuki - 04 Dec 2005 05:58 GMT
>It was a pure accident of course but for the rest of her time outside if a
>hedgehog happened to be dining from her saucer before she got there, she
>would just sit back until it had finished!

Poor KFC!  But she's very sensible.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 03 Dec 2005 23:43 GMT
>A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
>from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
>of anything about the animal.

They're very cute aren't they... but it looks like the caption should
be 'What's REALLY inside a chestnut...'

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Enfilade - 04 Dec 2005 01:07 GMT
> >A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> >from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
> >porcupines? Possums? Hedgehogs? Bats sleeping inside anemone? Vegetable
> >scrubbers? You decide. It's a pretty incredible photo nonetheless.
> >
> >http://home.sonic.net/~jwermont/misc/kastanje.jpg

I knew a guy in the military who had one of these.  He said he was
allergic to cats and dogs, but not to his hedgehog.  It was small
enough that no one cared if he had it in the barracks, since it slept
in a small cage when he wasn't in the room with it (he let it free on
his bed or his floor when he was home).  He said it was a great pet, if
not particularly huggable.

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Azy - 04 Dec 2005 01:18 GMT
~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~

Does no one else find it slightly amusing that the poster of the
hedgehog pictures has a 'sonic.net' email address?  ::grin::

Cheers,
Azy!

"In fact, the kind of people I personally gravitate toward are dog
people. They're usually guests, generally allergic, and often too
polite to neglect a quick scratch betwixt the ears before shooing me
along." ~Mr. Fleas, www.housecatwisdom.blogspot.com
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2005 13:50 GMT
>  ~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~

> Does no one else find it slightly amusing that the poster of the
> hedgehog pictures has a 'sonic.net' email address?  ::grin::

I don't get it. Hedgehog... sonic... hedgehog... sonic... <scratching
head>  :)

Joyce - the sonic.net poster
Christine K. - 04 Dec 2005 14:45 GMT
>  >  ~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~
>
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>
> Joyce - the sonic.net poster

Sonic the Hedgehog is a Sega video game
http://www.sega.com/sonic/content.php

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2005 21:59 GMT
> Sonic the Hedgehog is a Sega video game
> http://www.sega.com/sonic/content.php

Aha. I guess I should have known! :)
jmcquown - 04 Dec 2005 23:19 GMT
>>  >  ~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~
>>
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> Sonic the Hedgehog is a Sega video game
> http://www.sega.com/sonic/content.php

I'm a tad too old for Sega so I never would have guessed!
Jo Firey - 04 Dec 2005 23:47 GMT
>>>  >  ~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I'm a tad too old for Sega so I never would have guessed!

He has his own cartoon show too doesn't he?  Though all we seem to watch is
Spongebob Squarepants.

Jo
Christine K. - 05 Dec 2005 00:03 GMT
>>> >  ~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I'm a tad too old for Sega so I never would have guessed!

I've never played it either, but my younger cousins sure have.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 05 Dec 2005 01:46 GMT
>>>  >  ~~jXwXeXrXmXoX...@sonic.net~~
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I'm a tad too old for Sega so I never would have guessed!

We have the versions for XboX (contains the old version - I'm OK at this
one - and newer 3D version - which I suck at) and Gameboy Advance (I can't
get past the 1st BOSS level Grrrrrrrrrr)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Dec 2005 09:15 GMT
> I'm a tad too old for Sega so I never would have guessed!

I'm definitely too old! Never even seen a Sega game.

Joyce
Takayuki - 06 Dec 2005 07:25 GMT
> > I'm a tad too old for Sega so I never would have guessed!
>
>I'm definitely too old! Never even seen a Sega game.

It's weird.  Some younger people would call me old because I had
actually played Sonic the Hedgehog.  It came out in 1991 - 14 years
ago!
Takayuki - 04 Dec 2005 05:55 GMT
>A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
>from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
>porcupines? Possums? Hedgehogs? Bats sleeping inside anemone? Vegetable
>scrubbers? You decide. It's a pretty incredible photo nonetheless.
>
>http://home.sonic.net/~jwermont/misc/kastanje.jpg

They're very cute!  They look like someone crossed a puppy with a sea
urchin.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2005 13:52 GMT
> They're very cute!  They look like someone crossed a puppy with a sea
> urchin.

When I sent my mother the picture, she wrote: "What's that in their
mouths? Looks weird, is it something they're eating, or part of the
insides of their mouths?"

I had to explain that "the stuff in their mouths" was the actual
animal. :)

Joyce
idontmind@gmail.com - 04 Dec 2005 07:01 GMT
> A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.

African pygmy hedgehogs, to be exact.  Chestnut is probably the color
variant.
They make great pets - much like a guinea pig.  They tend to carry skin
mites, though, so you need to get one from a breeder that will
guarantee that the stock if mite-free.  They don't stink too badly, and
are easy to handle and care for.

I gave my Mom one for Mother's Day one year (I think it was).  She
named him Kato Kaelin, as it was around the time of the OJ trial and he
looked just like his namesake. :)
-L.
idontmind@gmail.com - 04 Dec 2005 07:11 GMT
idontm...@gmail.com wrote:
> variant.
> They make great pets - much like a guinea pig.  They tend to carry skin
> mites, though, so you need to get one from a breeder that will
> guarantee that the stock if mite-free.  They don't stink too badly, and
> are easy to handle and care for.

Should also have said that this is one of the only "exotics" I would
ever recommend as a pet.  Most "exotics" don't do well as pets and
there are a number of reasons not to support the trade in exotics.
Also, rescuing a hedgehog should really only be left to those
experienced in their care.

Here are more color variants:
http://hedgehogcentral.com/colorguide.shtml
-L.
Yowie - 04 Dec 2005 10:46 GMT
>A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
> porcupines? Possums? Hedgehogs? Bats sleeping inside anemone? Vegetable
> scrubbers? You decide. It's a pretty incredible photo nonetheless.
>
> http://home.sonic.net/~jwermont/misc/kastanje.jpg

One of my earliest memories is of a hedgehog that had wandered into our
front garden in England (which makes me less than four and a half). Dad woke
my sister and I up very early on a frosty cold morning, and we went out to
see the hedgehog in the garden withour eiderdowns wrapped around us.

The next thing I remember is my mother screaming at us - we had gone back
inside and fallen asleep in front of the fireplace, and our eiderdown
covered were scorching.

Poor old Dad was in the doghouse for weeks (my Dad and Dave Y should  have
started a doghouse club), but I treasure the memory of our hedgehog. I
thinkt hey're adorable critters, and the Australian Echidna, whilst the same
idea, just isn't the same.

Yowie
Denise Clere - 06 Dec 2005 14:29 GMT
goodness,they are cute!

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>A friend sent me this picture, which she got from a friend, who got it
> from a friend, etc. We don't know what kind of animal these are. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> PS - "kastanje" is Dutch for "chestnut", which doesn't tell you much
> of anything about the animal.
 
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