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Marina - 27 Nov 2005 05:37 GMT
In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
don't have a legal obligation to support you any more. Well, I think
I'll take care of Frank a little longer, but I suspect he won't be with
us for very much longer now. He's suddenly aged a lot, but I don't want
to drag him to TED's again for a lot of expensive tests and get the
diagnosis 'he's old' again. I'll make sure he's comfortable and if
something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

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Marina, Frank, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Nikki.
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Pat - 27 Nov 2005 06:23 GMT
Happy Puurthday, Frank... Here's to ten more years!
W. Leong - 27 Nov 2005 06:39 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.

Happy Purrsday to you Frank!

Rusty
sriddles@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 08:02 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> Marina, Frank, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Nikki.

Happy Birthday to the grand old man. Hope he has a happy one, and that
we get to celebrate many more birthdays.

Sherry
wafflycat - 27 Nov 2005 09:58 GMT
Frank!! How about teleporting over here for you birthday treat!!! I have
something very special lined up involving your gaiters and my soft fur!!

I'll give you a birthday to remember... PPPUUURRRRRRRRR

Smoochies, Waffles
Adrian - 27 Nov 2005 11:02 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you
> can buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> comfortable and if something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money
> fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Happy purrday, Frank. I hope you'll be showing Caliban the island next year.
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Exocat - 27 Nov 2005 13:23 GMT
Marina wrote:
>> I think I'll take care of Frank a little longer, but I suspect he
>> won't be with us for very much longer now. He's suddenly aged a lot,

We'd all like to join in a rousing chorus of "Hoppy Purrthday to Frank"
and wish him all the best.

We're hoping he has the chance to show the youngsters round his
island next summer, but trust Mummy Marina to know when it's time.

Purrs of Celebration from
Gordon, Bandit, Snowball, Claudius & Raki.
Judith Latham - 27 Nov 2005 11:09 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Happy Birthday Frank. I'm sure you will have all your favourite things.

Judith

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Judith Latham
Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK.

Christine K. - 27 Nov 2005 12:00 GMT
Lucky you don't have a car he can borrow. Might be scary to see a car
seemingly without a driver, as Frank could probably not reach neither
the pedals, nor above the steering wheel. ;)

Hoppy Purrday from us hoomins and two young'uns (Laku's 5,5 yrs and
Nico's 1yr and 3mo's).

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Christine in Vantaa, Finland
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Mark Edwards - 27 Nov 2005 12:50 GMT
[snips]

>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you
>can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your
>parents
>don't have a legal obligation to support you any more.

Happy Birthday, Frank! Enjoy your new Maserati!

Hugs and Purrs,
Mark
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Victor Martinez - 27 Nov 2005 13:14 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents

Well, I don't think you should get Frank a car just yet. :)
Congratulations Frank! May there be many more happy days at the island
for you.

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Irulan - 27 Nov 2005 13:50 GMT
ah, sweet Unca Frankie. He's lived a long, productive and sweet life. And he
has given you years of joy. And I'm sure you have given him all the love and
care he can ever handle. However long he has left, remember that.
Lily & her mama
Jazz, RB

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Irulan
from the stars we come
to the stars we return
from now until the end of time

> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.
Cheryl - 27 Nov 2005 14:35 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car,
> you can buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages),
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise,
> it's just a waiting game.

Happy Purrday Frank!  Here's to many more!

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Cheryl

Prozack - 27 Nov 2005 14:38 GMT
> Happy Purrday Frank!  Here's to many more!
>
> --
> Cheryl

look what you started! I want you to look at yourself!

How do you sleep at night.

The poor fellow was down there rescuing souls and
you come off with a calloused attack like you did...

mmm mmm mmm
Prozack - 27 Nov 2005 14:38 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
> and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Cheers to Frank!
Helen Miles - 27 Nov 2005 15:14 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
> don't have a legal obligation to support you any more.///

Happy birthday Frank!!!

Hleen M
Enfilade - 27 Nov 2005 18:17 GMT
> > In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> > buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
> > don't have a legal obligation to support you any more.///

Happy birthday Frank--enjoy your beer and wine.

--Fil
CatNipped - 27 Nov 2005 15:30 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Happy Purr-day, Frank.  Here's hoping that you'll live many years longer,
but if not that the years you do are lived well!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Smokey da Kat - 27 Nov 2005 15:46 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.

Happy Purrday Frankie!
Kreisleriana - 27 Nov 2005 16:40 GMT
>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
>otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Poor Frankie-- he is the most magnificent of cats.  

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Caroline S. - 27 Nov 2005 17:23 GMT
Happy Purrday to Frank! May the rest of your days bring joy and
sweetness. You are loved not just by your Meowmie but by people all over
the world.

-Caroline S.

> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.
JBHajos - 27 Nov 2005 20:08 GMT
> You are loved not just by your Meowmie but by people all over
>the world.

    Me too!!  My sentiments exactly, Frank.  We love you and hope you
have many, many more happy days ahead.  Happy birthday, and purrs from
Hobo & Speckles, doggy-wags from Sandy.    

   Hugs, Marina.

             Jeanne
Jeanne Hedge - 27 Nov 2005 18:14 GMT
Happy Birthday Frank!

As dictated by Natasha, another oldie but goodie who is not planning
on going anywhere for a long time yet

and from jeanne too
meee - 29 Nov 2005 00:56 GMT
happy birthday frank!!!

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> Happy Birthday Frank!
>
> As dictated by Natasha, another oldie but goodie who is not planning
> on going anywhere for a long time yet
>
> and from jeanne too
polonca12000 - 27 Nov 2005 18:51 GMT
I hope you are having the best 18th birthday possible, Frank. Marina has
given you the best life anybody could and we hope you will continue to
be together and happy for some time.
The very best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek

> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.
Bev - 27 Nov 2005 19:02 GMT
Happy birthday Frank and may you have many more birthdays.

Bev
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Nov 2005 23:03 GMT
"Marina" <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
> don't have a legal obligation to support you any more. Well, I think I'll
> take care of Frank a little longer

Hooray!! Happy Birthday Frank! An impressive age! :)

Joyce
jmcquown - 27 Nov 2005 19:16 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you
> can buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> comfortable and if something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money
> fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Awwww :(  Keep your chin up, Marina.  And Happy Purrday to Frank.  (Don't
let him hop in the car and go buy beer.)

Jill
ann791 - 27 Nov 2005 19:16 GMT
Happy Purrday, Frank.
Ann

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> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.
Dan M - 27 Nov 2005 20:55 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Happy birthday, Frank. We'll be purring that Frank is around for a good
long time to come.

Dan
Karen - 27 Nov 2005 21:32 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you
> can buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> if something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

To be honest, I'll be really really happy if any of mine make it to 18,
let alone with the finesse and aplomb of Frank!! Happy Purrday Frank.
Be happy.
Annie Wxill - 27 Nov 2005 21:42 GMT
>...Well, I think I'll take care of Frank a little longer, but I suspect he
>won't be with us for very much longer now. ...
> Marina, Frank, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Nikki.

Marina,
Happy birthday a day or so late to Frank.
I know when he has reached his age that you have to prepare yourself for
the inevitable, but I wish you both many more moments together.
Annie
Susan M - 27 Nov 2005 22:19 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.

Happy purrday Unka Frank!  Frank is one universally admired feline :-)

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Lucy's Mom - 27 Nov 2005 22:58 GMT
Happy Purrday, Frank!!!

>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
>otherwise, it's just a waiting game.
Christina Websell - 28 Nov 2005 00:09 GMT
Happy 18th birthday, Frank! and lots of shrimpies
from Kitty FC (her ownself a little older than this sez TED)
and Boyfriend aged 3

> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.
Helen Wheels - 28 Nov 2005 02:07 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
> otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Happy birthday Frank! You're a magnificent fellow.
No More  Retail - 28 Nov 2005 02:16 GMT
Happy birthday

Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to see
how much worse the roads would be

Matthew

>> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Happy birthday Frank! You're a magnificent fellow.
Victor Martinez - 28 Nov 2005 03:42 GMT
No More Retail wrote:
> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to see
> how much worse the roads would be

Actually, I think they would be safer. IMO, it's counter-productive to
ban alcohol consumption for adults under 21.

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Jo Firey - 28 Nov 2005 04:13 GMT
> No More Retail wrote:
>> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to
>> see how much worse the roads would be
>
> Actually, I think they would be safer. IMO, it's counter-productive to ban
> alcohol consumption for adults under 21.

One rule in California, if you are stopped for drinking and driving while
under 21, you lose your drivers license till you are 21.

I'm not sure I agree with the implications of the actual penalty.  But the
threat is pretty good for keeping the kids in one place when they drink
rather that driving all over the place.

I just don't see the logic in age limits for anything that exceed the voting
age and the age for military service.

Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Nov 2005 07:59 GMT
> I just don't see the logic in age limits for anything that
> exceed the voting age and the age for military service.

Especially the latter! Old enough to risk one's life and possibly take
another life, but not old enough to drink?

Joyce
Victor Martinez - 28 Nov 2005 13:22 GMT
> Especially the latter! Old enough to risk one's life and possibly take
> another life, but not old enough to drink?

Exactly! We're supposed to believe an 18 year old is mature enough to
vote or to choose to join the military but not old enough to drink?
That's just stupid. All it does is make alcohol irresistible to young
adults. I know because I used to be one. :)  Though in Mexico this
happens when one turns 16 or so, since the legal drinking age is 18.

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wafflycat - 29 Nov 2005 09:38 GMT
>> Especially the latter! Old enough to risk one's life and possibly take
>> another life, but not old enough to drink?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> because I used to be one. :)  Though in Mexico this happens when one turns
> 16 or so, since the legal drinking age is 18.

In UK the age of maturity is18. At 18 you can vote, get married without
parental permission, drink alcohol.

But

16 is age of consent in terms of sex
You can join the army then (if I recall correctly)
16 you can get married with parental consent

17 you can learn to drive

Nathan turned 17 at the end of last month. So far he has shown no hurry to
learn to drive. His attitude is one of "I can ride my bike why do I need to
drive?" and "Cars are expensive to buy, insure and run and I can't afford it
yet" Sensible boy. Besides which, he's saving every penny of his allowance
to fund his conservation trip to Egypt (Sinai Desert) in the summer of next
year. Operation Wallacea is not cheap, but it should stand him in good stead
in applying to universities...

Once he's got the conservation trip paid for and completed I think he should
learn to drive, as many jobs insist on a full driving licence, but I hope he
doesn't become a petrol-headed tosspot ;-)

As regards drink, I have no problem with him having a glass of wine or beer
with a meal at home. This seems to work as he will refuse 99 times out 100
when he is offered.

He cannot abide smoking, so does not smoke.

No sign of him taking drugs - as a keen sportsman, he has seen the damage
drugs do via high profile sports cheats and I've been very open with him
about the drugs problem I experienced with my brother.

He says he has no time for romance at the moment as he has to concentrate on
study and cycling

Lord, I'm hoping he can remain sensible.... He's far more sensible than I
ever was at that 17!

Cheers, helen s
meee - 30 Nov 2005 01:08 GMT
> >> Especially the latter! Old enough to risk one's life and possibly take
> >> another life, but not old enough to drink?
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> sounds like you've done a very good job of parenting!! he's a credit to
you, helen!
Christina Websell - 01 Dec 2005 01:02 GMT
> No More Retail wrote:
>> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to
>> see how much worse the roads would be
>
> Actually, I think they would be safer. IMO, it's counter-productive to ban
> alcohol consumption for adults under 21.

Here in the UK we can drink at 18, smoke at 16 and get a provisional license
to drive at 17, then pass a quite comprehensive driving test to get a full
license which includes a written test too.
There are very strict laws here about drinking and driving.
I was surprised to discover from my Michigan friend, Bob, that where he
lives there is no equivalent for our MoT test for our cars.   All cars here
over 3 years old have to pass a test yearly for roadworthiness, tyres and
exhaust emissions come into it too.
Apparently there it's okay to drive around in a deathtrap with no brakes and
things dropping off it all over!
We have to buy car tax and fix the disc to the windscreen and cannot get it
without a current MoT certificate and proof of insurance.

Tweed
Jo Firey - 01 Dec 2005 02:32 GMT
>> No More Retail wrote:
>>> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Tweed

We are going to have to do something about your friend Bob in Michigan.  We
really aren't all a bunch of lame brained yahoos over on this side of the
pond.

We do have different rules in each state, but they are similar.  You
register your car in the state where you live, and all the other states will
recognize that.  Everywhere I've lived you have to have proof of insurance
to get your yearly car registration.  Some states require more inspection
than others, but the police in any state can stop a car that is unsafe and
require that it be fixed or taken off the road.  In most states you have an
emissions inspection on cars once a year to get the registration.

We do have problems with cars that are on the road illegally, with no
insurance or with expired insurance.  And problems with unlicensed drivers.
I suspect that happens all over the world.

Jo
Christina Websell - 02 Dec 2005 01:31 GMT
>>> No More Retail wrote:
>>>> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>
> We are going to have to do something about your friend Bob in Michigan.

Like what?  We mail about all sorts of things, have discussions about
differences in our two countries, our animals, weather, the progress of his
latest book, etc.  I have no experience of what the law is in USA, for cars
or anything else, so when he tells me if things are different I believe him.

> We really aren't all a bunch of lame brained yahoos over on this side of
> the pond.

I don't think I recall ever suggesting that you were.

> We do have different rules in each state, but they are similar.  You
> register your car in the state where you live, and all the other states
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> insurance or with expired insurance.  And problems with unlicensed
> drivers. I suspect that happens all over the world.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Tweed
Wayne Mitchell - 01 Dec 2005 04:05 GMT
>I was surprised to discover from my Michigan friend, Bob, that where he
>lives there is no equivalent for our MoT test for our cars.   All cars here
>over 3 years old have to pass a test yearly for roadworthiness, tyres and
>exhaust emissions come into it too.
>Apparently there it's okay to drive around in a deathtrap with no brakes and
>things dropping off it all over!

Vehicle inspections in the US are governed by state law.  Most
states require them at least annually.  I'm surprised that
Michigan is one of the "road bomb" states.

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Enfilade - 02 Dec 2005 01:38 GMT
> I was surprised to discover from my Michigan friend, Bob, that where he
> lives there is no equivalent for our MoT test for our cars.   All cars here
> over 3 years old have to pass a test yearly for roadworthiness, tyres and
> exhaust emissions come into it too.

When I moved to Nova Scotia, I was surprised that it costs $15 a year
to have a car checked over for roadworthiness.

There was no such test in Ontario.

Now, we had a truck at our airfield in Wingham which was a piece of
crap and not roadworthy, so there is a law in Ontario about poorly
maintained vehicles not being allowed on roads.  (If we flew out of
another airfield, we had to put our truck onto a wagon and TOW it
there.)  We finally had to give up the truck when our airfield became
"public" property as opposed to private, and therefore the road laws
applied to the airfield as well, making the truck illegal to operate
there.

I guess they just don't force everyone to prove their vehicle's not a
sh!tmobile every year.  It's more like if you're caught driving a
sh!tmobile, you're the one who's in sh!t.

--Fil
CatNipped - 02 Dec 2005 14:09 GMT
> > No More Retail wrote:
> >> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Tweed

Your friend Bob has misinformed you.  Our cars have to pass a yearly road
inspection test that includes:

Seat Belts

Inspect for proper operation and anchorage.
Model years 1969 and newer - one seat belt is required for each seating
position.
Model years 1967 and 1968 - two front seat belts are required (driver
position included), and one seat belt is required for each seating position
elsewhere in the vehicle.
Model years 1965 and 1966 - two front seat belts are required (driver
position included).

Brakes
(At least one front wheel must be removed to inspect brakes.)

Brake pedal reserve - brake pedal must have 1/3 reserve.
Brake pedal fade - brake must hold for one minute without fading.
Power brake unit - check for damage.
Brake master cylinder - check for leakage and proper fluid level.
Disc brake pads - check condition.
Drum brake linings - thickness of linings must be at least 1/16 inch on
bonded linings or at least 1/32 inch over rivet head on riveted linings,
with no loose or missing rivets or lining.
Brake drums and/or rotors - check condition.
Wheel cylinders and/or calipers - check for leakage.
All brake lines and hoses - check for leaks, cracks, improper support,
flattened, etc.
Parking brake - check for components and function.
Brake equalization - test vehicle for a straight stop without significant
wheel pull.

STEERING, FRONT END, SUSPENSION, CHASSIS, FRAME, WHEEL FASTENERS

Front end assembly - check condition.
Steering wheel play - check for excessive freeplay.
All steering linkage - check for tightness or binding, excessive wear and/or
looseness in parts, including idler arm, center control arm, tie-rod ends,
drag link ends, steering and pitman arms gear box, cross shafts, bushings,
wheel bearings, steering column or steering wheel shaft mounting.
Power steering - check operation, condition of belt, and for leakage.
Shock absorbers - check shock mountings and for broken or missing shock
absorbers.
Springs and torsion bars - check for sagging or broken springs, or a broken,
disconnected, missing or bent torsion or stabilizer bar.
Chassis/frame - check for breaks, cracks, or severe rust at the suspension
attachment points.
Wheel fasteners - check for missing or broken parts.
Each Tire (Except spare)
Tread depth - must be at least 2/32 inch when measured in two adjacent major
tread grooves showing the most wear.
Tire condition - check for any fabric break or cut over 1 inch, visible
bumps, bulges or knots, and any restricted use designation on the tire.

Lights
All lighting must be of an approved type and inspected for operation, proper
mounting, and broken or missing lenses:

Headlights (low and high beam).
Tail lamps.
Stop lamps.
Directional signals.
Backup lights (1969 and newer).
License plate lights.
Hazard warning/four-way flasher (1966 and newer).
Directional signal indicator.

Windshield And Other Glass

Windshield - check for presence and condition.
All windows - approved safety glass or rigid plastic and condition.
Windshield Wipers And Blades
Wipers - check for presence and operation.
Blades - check condition.

Horn

Check mounting and operation.

Mirrors

Check mirror location and mounting, and for cracks, breaks, or
discoloration:
Model year 1970 and newer - check adjustable interior and left outside
mirror.
Model year 1968 and 1969 - check interior mirror and one left outside
mirror.
1967 and older - check interior mirror or left outside mirror.
Note:  Vehicles with a permanent obstruction of the view through the rear
window (e.g. pickup cap) must have both left-side and right-side outside
mirrors.

The Emissions Inspection

Most gasoline powered vehicles are required to have a yearly emissions
inspection, which will be done at the same time as the safety inspection.
Vehicles that fail to comply with inspection standards will be rejected.

Vehicles exempt from the emissions inspection are: vehicles manufactured for
the current model year or are one model year old, vehicles 26 model-years
old or older, vehicles registered with historical or vintage plates,
vehicles that are electric powered, and vehicles with diesel engines.
Beginning June 1, 1999, diesel-powered vehicles over 8,500 Pounds will be
subject to annual emissions inspection or random roadside inspection,
depending on where they, are registered in the state.

A High Enhanced emissions inspection is required for vehicles registered in
the nine county New York Metropolitan Area (NYMA) of Nassau, Suffolk,
Rockland, Westchester, and the five counties within New York City, The
purpose of this inspection is to measure the amount of hydrocarbons, oxides
of nitrogen, and carbon monoxide pollutants coming from the vehicle exhaust.
The High Enhanced emissions inspection includes a Simulated driving
condition test (on a dynamometer) for gasoline powered vehicles, 1981 model
year and newer, that weigh 8,500 pounds or fewer. An "idle emissions test"
(engine at idle only) is required for gasoline powered vehicles that weigh
more than 8,500 Pounds, are less than 26 model years old, and were
manufactured for the 1980 model vear or- older.

A Low Enhanced inspection is required for vehicles registered in counties
outside this area. Vehicles registered in counties within the Low Enhanced
inspection area are not subject to the sit-simulated driving condition test
or the idle emissions test.

In all areas of the state, the High Enhanced and Low Enhanced emissions
inspections require a check for the presence and connection of required
pollution control devices. The vehicle's gas cap is also checked for its
presence, condition, and proper fit. In addition, an "on-board diagnostic"
(OBD) check is required for vehicles of model year 1996 and newer.

The following pollution control devices are examined if the vehicle was
originally manufactured with them. The vehicle model years affected are
indicated.

Positive crankcase ventilation system (PCV) - 1968 and newer.
Catalytic converter (CAT) - 1975 and newer.
Fuel inlet restrictor (FIR) - 1984 and newer.
Exhaust gas recirculation valve (EGR) - 1973 and newer.
Thermostatic air cleaner (TAC) - 1984 and newer.
Air injection system (AIS) - 1984 and newer.
Evaporative emission control (EVAP) - 1984 and newer.

At the time of inspection the owner must show a valid driver's license and
proof of insurance.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Julie Cook - 02 Dec 2005 14:48 GMT
>>I was surprised to discover from my Michigan friend, Bob, that where he
>>lives there is no equivalent for our MoT test for our cars.   All cars
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>
>>Tweed

> Your friend Bob has misinformed you.  Our cars have to pass a yearly road
> inspection test that includes:

Lori,
Her friend Bob lives in Michican, you're in Texas - it depends on the
state. In Georgia we only have to have an emission inspection. The State
inspections were eliminated over 20 years ago.

Julie
CatNipped - 02 Dec 2005 15:21 GMT
> >>I was surprised to discover from my Michigan friend, Bob, that where he
> >>lives there is no equivalent for our MoT test for our cars.   All cars
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Julie

!!!!?????  So they allow you to drive around with faulty brakes, no brake
lights, etc.?  There is no policy to keep unsafe vehicles off the road???!
I've lived in / visited quite a few states and all of them had some type of
safety inspection required.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Dan M - 02 Dec 2005 16:12 GMT
>> Lori,
>> Her friend Bob lives in Michican, you're in Texas - it depends on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I've lived in / visited quite a few states and all of them had some type of
> safety inspection required.

It varies by state. In CA the only inspection we have to pass is an
emissions test. We do have pretty much the same safety standards Texas
has, but our vehicles don't have to be inspected for compliance unless we
are issued a citation by a law enforcement officer. It's about the same
thing as not having safety standards, it's so loosely applied.

Not commercial motor vehicles are a totally different story. CMVs have to
be inspected regularly, but that's mandated by the Feds.

Dan
Enfilade - 02 Dec 2005 17:22 GMT
> !!!!?????  So they allow you to drive around with faulty brakes, no brake
> lights, etc.?  There is no policy to keep unsafe vehicles off the road???!
> I've lived in / visited quite a few states and all of them had some type of
> safety inspection required.

In rural Ontario where I grew up, lots of kids had 'field cars' (Ie,
lousy old cars that were no longer roadworthy--parents would give them
to their kids to drive around the fields.  I knew kids who were 9 and
10 driving around in these sh!tmobiles.  The big rule was "Don't take
it out on the road."  Which, you technically COULD do but it's your
butt if you get caught...Needless to say these things occasionally went
out on the back roads...

That runway truck had brake lines made of generic Canadian Tire rubber
hosing and no lights and no wipers and a hole in the floor (you
couldn't put your left foot where it would naturally go while driving,
or you'd put your foot right through the floor)...

Obviously the cops would nail you if you tried to TAKE It anywhere, but
if you were just driving around the back roads, the odds of finding
cops were really low.

--Fil
(My father wouldn't tolerate crappy machinery of ANY kind, but when I
was a kid, he WOULD let me drive his tractor or truck on our farm as
long as he was on/in it too.  Therefore, he was there to keep me safe
and I didn't care as long as I got to drive ;)
Pamela  Shirk - 03 Dec 2005 02:21 GMT
> !!!!?????  So they allow you to drive around with faulty brakes, no brake
> lights, etc.?  There is no policy to keep unsafe vehicles off the road???!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> CatNipped

The only inspection our I-Mark had to pass in Idaho was to verify that the
VIN number matched the title.  Here in North Carolina, it depends on the age
and type of vehicle and one has to pay property tax on the vehicle every
year, which sucks.

Pam S.
Nan - 02 Dec 2005 15:47 GMT
>> > No More Retail wrote:
>> >> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>Your friend Bob has misinformed you.  Our cars have to pass a yearly road
>inspection test that includes:

The yearly road inspection tests depends on the area where you live.
We don't even have to show proof of liability insurance to license our
vehicles where I live.  Liability insurance is supposedly required,
but the only time you have to show proof of insurance is if you get
stopped for a violation.  When I lived in Ohio we had a yearly
emission's test in counties with poor air quality, but I heard that
they had decided that it wasn't effective and were going to do away
with it.

Purrs and Hugs,

Nan and the furkids

A wise man talks because he has something to say;
a fool talks because he has to say something.
Christina Websell - 02 Dec 2005 20:48 GMT
>> > No More Retail wrote:
>> >> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate
[quoted text clipped - 184 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Very impressive, very similar to our MoT test.
However, you are in Texas and Bob is in Michigan.  I do not think he has
misinformed me at all as to the rules in his own state, he is bound to know
what they are as he has a car himself.

Tweed
CatNipped - 02 Dec 2005 21:27 GMT
> >> > No More Retail wrote:
> >> >> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate
[quoted text clipped - 191 lines]
>
> Tweed

No, I was mistaken.  Because every state I've lived in or visited has had
these requirements, I assumed that they all did.  I'm flabbergasted that
they don't!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 03 Dec 2005 19:31 GMT
>>>>> No More Retail wrote:
>>>>>> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>> Your friend Bob has misinformed you.  Our cars have to pass a
>>> yearly road inspection test that includes:

<big snip> Very impressive, very similar to our MoT test.
>> However, you are in Texas and Bob is in Michigan.  I do not think he
>> has misinformed me at all as to the rules in his own state, he is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> had these requirements, I assumed that they all did.  I'm
> flabbergasted that they don't!

I might ask him again just to clarify this.  It came to be discussed between
me & Bob because my own car needed a test and I told him I was worried it
might not pass (it did), and that when he told me there were no such
requirements in his state, I too, was flabbergasted.

I am very sorry if I have caused offence to any American whose state has
laws on the roadworthiness of cars.  I didn't know, I can only go on what
Bob tells me and I am absolutely certain that he wouldn't tell me wrong
according to how he knows it.

http://www.enslavedbyducks.com/

and judge for yourself.

Tweed
Jo Firey - 03 Dec 2005 20:37 GMT
> I am very sorry if I have caused offence to any American whose state has
> laws on the roadworthiness of cars.  I didn't know, I can only go on what
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> and judge for yourself.

I'm guessing that we are confusing laws on road worthiness of cars with
requirements for annual inspection.

I can assure you that our entire country has laws on the road worthiness of
cars.  Sometimes it will be enforced with a "fix it" ticket.  You can be
stopped it you have a light not working properly, a cracked windshield, bald
tires, etc.  Then you have a few days to prove you have made the necessary
repairs.

Something more severe will be dealt with by impounding the car.

It comes from a difference in attitude toward individual responsibility.  We
are all expected to keep our cars in safe operating condition.  Some states
expect us to prove it to some degree annually.  Others don't get involved
until it is apparent the car is not safe.

Jo
Enfilade - 04 Dec 2005 01:04 GMT
> I'm guessing that we are confusing laws on road worthiness of cars with
> requirements for annual inspection.

Yeah.  I'd be surprised if anywhere in Canada didn't have laws against
driving an unsafe sh!tmobile on the road.

It's just that here in Nova Scotia, I have to go through a formal
inspection to prove my car doesn't suck

whereas in Ontario, they took my word for it--however if I was caught
with no brake lights or an absent floor or something, I'd be fined.

--Fil
Cheryl Perkins - 04 Dec 2005 01:11 GMT
> Yeah.  I'd be surprised if anywhere in Canada didn't have laws against
> driving an unsafe sh!tmobile on the road.

> It's just that here in Nova Scotia, I have to go through a formal
> inspection to prove my car doesn't suck

> whereas in Ontario, they took my word for it--however if I was caught
> with no brake lights or an absent floor or something, I'd be fined.

In Newfoundland, we used to have required inspections; now we don't. There
have been actual cases of extremely unsafe vehicles found on the road
since they started taking our word for the condition of vehicles, but
IIRC, the worst offender was a commercial vehicle that *had* been
inspected. At least, the company owner had obtained a sticker showing it
had been inspected from a garage whose owner also ended up in court.

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Cheryl

Enfilade - 04 Dec 2005 01:04 GMT
whereas in Ontario, they took my word for it--however if I was caught
with no brake lights or an absent floor or something, I'd be fined.

--Fil

PS I gotta add, that is caught ON PUBLIC ROADS with a lousy car...on
private property they don't care nearly so much.
Jane - 05 Dec 2005 15:16 GMT
>No, I was mistaken.  Because every state I've lived in or visited has had
>these requirements, I assumed that they all did.  I'm flabbergasted that
>they don't!

I grew up in New York State. There, your car must pass inspection every
year in order to be driven.

I've lived in Maryland for 11 years now.  I got my car inspected when I
first bought it (brand-new-off-the-lot), and as long as it passes the
occassional emissions test, and I don't sell it, it doesn't need to be
inspected again for the rest of its life. It seems weird, but then, if
it doesn't pass emissions, you're dead in the water anyway.

But I keep my car up. I prefer a dependable car that runs well.

Jane
Steve Touchstone - 03 Dec 2005 11:25 GMT
>Your friend Bob has misinformed you.  Our cars have to pass a yearly road
>inspection test that includes:
<snip>
As others have already pointed out, it varies greatly on a State by
State basis. Don't ask me why, but a few years ago Oklahoma dropped
their annual safety inspection requirement for renewing car tags. It
wasn't much of an inspection, but at least they checked a few things.
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William Hamblen - 03 Dec 2005 12:47 GMT
> As others have already pointed out, it varies greatly on a State by
> State basis. Don't ask me why, but a few years ago Oklahoma dropped
> their annual safety inspection requirement for renewing car tags. It
> wasn't much of an inspection, but at least they checked a few things.

The reason for the demise of state inspection programs was the realization
that they actually made little difference in the automobile accident rate.

Signature

The night is just the shadow of the Earth.

Wayne Mitchell - 03 Dec 2005 14:54 GMT
>The reason for the demise of state inspection programs was the realization
>that they actually made little difference in the automobile accident rate.

That might depend on the definition of "little difference".  In
a 1998 study the difference was pegged at 17%.  A state
legislator sucking up to voters who don't like the aggravation
of the tests or the cost of repairs could call that "little
difference".  Insurance companies probably would consider it a
substantial difference.

Signature

Wayne M
(indulged by Will and Heidi)

Jo Firey - 03 Dec 2005 20:44 GMT
>>The reason for the demise of state inspection programs was the realization
>>that they actually made little difference in the automobile accident rate.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> difference".  Insurance companies probably would consider it a
> substantial difference.

I find one insurance company gambit particularly interesting.  The insurance
industry sometimes provides law enforcement with tools such as radar guns
and red light cameras.  They claim to do this in the interest of our safety.
We drive better they save money.  We are supposed to ignore that if they
provide these tools, more motorists will get stopped and have incidents put
on their record therefore driving up the insurance rates they have to pay.

How is an officers time better spent.  Patrolling traffic using his own eyes
to observe and stop unsafe behavior.  Or sitting on the side of the road
catching five mile an hour over the limit drivers?

Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 28 Nov 2005 14:04 GMT
> Happy birthday

> Here in the US if we allowed 18 years old to drink again I would hate to see
> how much worse the roads would be

> Matthew

Did the alcohol-related road accidents decrease much in number after the
increase in drinking age - more than could be accounted for by other
factors, such as changes in the proportion of young drivers in the
population or changes in insurance rates and procedures? That would give
you an idea. A quick look at the web indicates that it would take more
time and energy than I now have to figure out the answer. It would appear
that *all* age groups' alcohol-related accidents while driving are
decreasing, which is enough to make me question whether raising the
drinking age is really responsible for any reduction in accidents.:

http://aepo-xdv-www.epo.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/m0039652/M0039652.asp

I tend to think 18 is a reasonably good age of majority for everything.
Sure, some people are still very immature then, and everyone will make
some rotten decisions, some of them fatal. But that would be true if the
age of majority was pushed up to 25, or 30.

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Cheryl

No More  Retail - 28 Nov 2005 18:00 GMT
Very  true I forgot the teenage aspect  If we say they can't do it they will
do it.  I just hate to think about it being legal for some of these teens to
be able to drink.  You would love to met some of them when they come in and
apply for a job at one of my stores.  I have a simple application and a
little test; since alot of the work involves numbers..   The mistakes that
they do, the way the show up for an interview.  The attitude they have when
they walk in the door.  I think about these people being legal to drink
scares the hell out of me.   Now if I am correct a major Us city has
legalized a certain amount of pot you can have on you.   I feel sorry for
this generation.

Its was my opinion on the age factor  I live and work in an area that has
multiple colleges and schools in close vicinity and every week the news is
filled in with under age drunk driving.  They just did a news brief about
how it was on the rise and becoming a real problem in central Florida.

By the way  THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR KINDS WORDS about our loss this
week of precious

Ps  I agree anyone who signs up and goes to serve our country has the right
to have a beer.

>> Happy birthday
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> some rotten decisions, some of them fatal. But that would be true if the
> age of majority was pushed up to 25, or 30.
Sam Nash - 28 Nov 2005 03:08 GMT
> In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but otherwise, it's just a
> waiting game.

Happy Purr-th-day, Frank!
Smokey and Mistletoe
Wayne Mitchell - 28 Nov 2005 03:20 GMT
>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
>otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Sometimes comfort and dignity can be more important than
longevity -- at least that's the way I expect Frank would vote.
And we will still hope for at least one more summer by the sea.

Signature

Wayne, with special purrformances by Will and Heidi

Takayuki - 28 Nov 2005 03:34 GMT
>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
>otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

Happy birthday Frank, and what a grand age!  Even if there aren't
going to be 18 more years, you've taken very good care of him all this
time for him to reach this age.
Lesley - 28 Nov 2005 10:56 GMT
, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
> buy beer and wine

In the UK you can buy any alcoholic drink at 18 so every time I catch
Redunzel sniffing an open beer can I tell her "You can have a beer when
you're 18"

Happy birthday Frank!!!!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Jane - 28 Nov 2005 17:06 GMT
Would he need help at the voting booth?

Happy Birthday Frankie!!  I have a lovely orange little girl for you,
my sister's kitty Topaz. She's 17 and very petite.

Jane
- owned and operated by Princess Rita

>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
>otherwise, it's just a waiting game.
Pamela  Shirk - 28 Nov 2005 22:07 GMT
> Would he need help at the voting booth?
>
> Happy Birthday Frankie!!  I have a lovely orange little girl for you,
> my sister's kitty Topaz. She's 17 and very petite.

You better not let Waffles see this.  She gets a little possessive where
Frank is concerned.

Pam S. wishing Frank a happy belated 18th purrday on behalf of the Shirk
menagerie
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 28 Nov 2005 17:56 GMT
>In Finland, when you turn 18, you can vote, you can drive a car, you can
>buy beer and wine (but no stronger alcoholic beverages), your parents
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>something acute crops up, I'll scrape the money fom somewhere, but
>otherwise, it's just a waiting game.

{{{Marina}}}  I know that game well.  All you can do is the best you
can.

Belated happy Purr-Day to Frank!

Ginger-lyn

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Shiral - 01 Dec 2005 02:01 GMT
Happy Belated purrday, Frank. I hope your latest round of fluids perk
you up so that you can keep Marina company for a while longer!

Melissa
 
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