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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / November 2005GRrrrrrrr, Anger!!!!!!!!!
We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at their house now. One car leaves, another comes over - only when her husband is gone, mind you. We can only assume Anyway, tonight my husband and I witnessed the absolute most intolerable thing. I'm so mortified that I can't even type to tell you all. Our married neighbour has "gentleman callers". They usually show up after her husband leaves, but tonight, her caller didn't. Her husband was subsequently kicked out and apparantly took it out on one of his cats My husband and I heard this cat screaming and we immediately jumped to attention. We saw our neighbor, stretching the cat from head to tail. Allan, my husband, ran out saying, "Hey, neighbor, what are you doing?" The neighbor said, "Oh, just hanging with the cat." The cat stopped screaming once Allan confronted the neighbor. Shoots, people. It was like he wanted to pull the cat apart! This is the same neighbor who no longer wanted his cat to be indoors because he didn't want the "burden" of changing a litter box and his cat was almost immediately hit by a car. Thousands of dollars went into this cat, but yet, the cat is again out doors. I mean, HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!! My husband and I are sick. We are absolutely sick. Yet, what can we do other than report him? We can't take on another cat, but when the cat comes to our door, whining to be fed, of course we feed him. We had to confront the neighbor on that issue, too. The cat was coming to our door for food and water. WTF????????? Sorry, had to vent. kili that is awful!!! You have to report him!! and report her too, for illegal prostitution or something...if she's living in the house with the cat and not looking after it either, she deserves all she gets.  SignatureThere are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by cats. Anonymous One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was > "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > kili > that is awful!!! You have to report him!! and report her too, for > illegal prostitution or something...if she's living in the house > with the cat and not looking after it either, she deserves all she > gets. Jeez. How do you know she isn't terrified of her husband? Maybe she's threatened to leave and he's threatened to kill her if she does. You just don't know. All you know is that the man is abusing the cat. That is concrete information. The rest is just speculation. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> that is awful!!! You have to report him!! and report her too, for >> illegal prostitution or something...if she's living in the house [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > All you know is that the man is abusing the cat. That is concrete > information. The rest is just speculation. The woman left for a year and came back. That's reason enough not to think she is terrified of her husband. As for speculation, I don't know my neighbors other than to say "hi". But I know their comings and goings. I know the husband next door comes home with a small cooler every day, which leads me to *speculate* he takes his lunch and works in an environment that requires his lunch to be kept insulated - as in, he works outdoors. (He's also not wearing a suit & tie; more like jeans and a flannel shirt.) I know the neighbor across the way is ditzy. She knocks on my door every few days to borrow my phone because her car won't start and she doesn't have a phone of her own. I know she stands outside waiting for the ride she called to pick her up when she could just as easily go inside and watch out the window. Lord knows they honk loudly enough when they come to pick her up. It behooves one to get to know the comings and goings of the neighbors around you. You don't have to invite them in for coffee and cake or even to be on a first name basis with them. I'm not a snoop but I like to know what is going on around me. I feel safer that way and I also know when someone who doesn't seem to 'belong' is around. Maybe I'm paranoid, but as a single female who lives alone, better safe than sorry. Jill > The woman left for a year and came back. That's reason enough not to think > she is terrified of her husband. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jill We lived in a deteriorating neighborhood like Kili describes once. And, like her, it wasn't that way when we bought our house. I never wanted to socialize with the neighbors for sure, but I did make an effort to get to know what kind of people they were. After all, they had kids that my kids were exposed to. Just from that experience, when there is a weirdly high number of cars coming and going, particularly at night, there is a good chance of drug trafficking going on. And Lord knows, that *is* everybody's business. Sherry >> The woman left for a year and came back. That's reason enough not >> to think she is terrified of her husband. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Sherry I concur. My last apartment complex was very nice when I moved in. It was a gated community and everyone was nice... for a while. Then things started to go downhill. It was a gradual decline, mind you. I thought the woman and her son who moved in across the hall were perfectly fine. Until one day I came home and found them hurriedly packing up and vamoosed. A couple of days later, I was watching TV, minding my own business when I heard *CRASH* and looked out the peep-hole to find three people kicking in the door across the way. Apparently they'd been dealing drugs and crossed someone the wrong way. (Yes, I called the cops and yes, they caught and arrested the people - who claimed not to speak English - and were bailed out and never seen in court.) After that, a young couple moved in. No visible means of support. Okay, that's not really a factor. What *was* a factor was they had visitors all hours of the day and night who only stayed 10-20 minutes, tops. And they drove a brand new Mazda but didn't seem to have jobs. I liked to sit on my balcony after work and read. One evening the guy came out - the balconies were open to the breezeway by the stairs - with a gun in his hand. He said they'd "gotten into it" with some people who might be coming around to cause problems, hope I didn't mind that he had a pistol? Ahem. Hell yeah I mind! What happened to the peaceful apartment complex I moved into? I started looking for another apartment the next week. No way was I getting caught up in this crap. Cost me an extra $200 a month in rent to make move, which I could barely afford, but my life and peace of mind is worth more than that. Jill Hopefully you called the police not just animal control > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife > was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > kili It's a bad situation. The husband is taking out anger on the cat who didn't do anything. Claims he's teaching the cat a lesson when in fact he'd like to strangle his wife. Kili and her husband have no luck calling the cops or animal control in this neighborhood. Let me state unequivocally it is NOT kili or her husbands fault; they are caring, concerned people who have taken in 3 cats. They just live in a bad neighborhood. I've only got suggestions for calling the ASPCA for pet endangerment. Calling the Vice Squad if there may be prostitution going on next door. Calling Narcotics if it might be drugs. I'm glad they are concerned about the cat and that her husband confronted this neighbor, but that won't stop the neighbor taking out his anger, regardless of the reason, on the cat. It's a bad neighborhood; it's a bad situation. (HUGE SIGH) Jill >> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife >> was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Jill It's a bad situation, but then they need to call around or take the cat in and try and find a rescue that will take it in. Consult the vet that helped Pua. They must have SOME resources or ideas. Animal control won't respond?? then it's time to start calling the city government because what the hell are they THERE for then? I'm not blaming kili for this, but I sure couldn't stand knowing that cat was near those people. >>> My husband and I are sick. We are absolutely sick. Yet, what can >>> we do other than report him? We can't take on another cat, but when >>> the cat comes to our door, whining to be fed, of course we feed him. >>> We had to confront the neighbor on that issue, too. The cat was >>> coming to our door for food and water. WTF????????? You CAN take on another cat, if only temporarily. Get that cat away from there and keep him away. You know this group. If it's a matter of money, just give me an address. I'll help. Call whoever you need to call and get that poor cat away from that monster. Jane Let me state unequivocally it is NOT kili or her husbands > fault wtf?!? that goes without saying you self righteous moron! > Let me state unequivocally it is NOT kili or her husbands > > fault > > wtf?!? > > that goes without saying you self righteous moron! We live in a really bad neighborhood. It wasn't always this way, but it's become so. We frequently call the police on neighbors 2 doors down because it's like a drive thru with crackheads. The police say they know about it, they're working on it, but they never come. We don't have the money to leave the neighborhood and our mortgage is cheaper than anything we could rent, so we stay. There are so many stray cats in this neighborhood. Soooooooo many. I think it's because the neighborhood *has* gone downhill and the current folks around, just don't care. We've taken in three strays, but we can't take them all. We're in a tiny 800 square foot house. It was extremely full with 2 cats and now we have three. We don't want to see a cat suffer; we don't. But the cops don't come when you call them, so what else are we supposed to do? kili > We don't want to see a cat suffer; we don't. But the cops don't come when > you call them, so what else are we supposed to do? > > kili Yeah, just lure the cat Maybe get a fresh supply of catnip (its super cheap)... walk past their house, and leave a trail...all the way...to the best place to rescue the cat. (like a side or back door) You wouldn't want to make a show of this..one neighbor will tell on you, then next thing you know, you're in a confrontation...after all, you are in nigger town. Drop some food along the way too...hehehe As right as you are, you still wants to be discreet. Sneak the cat in, bag him and cart him off to the adoption agency. You can do it! Keep us posted, this is good stuff! A rescue in pro-gress > walk past their house, and leave a trail...all the way...to the best > place to rescue the cat. (like a side or back door) You wouldn't > want to make a show of this..one neighbor will tell on you, then > next thing you know, you're in a confrontation...after all, you are > in nigger town. Drop some food along the way too...hehehe What the f*** is your problem? Keep your racist comments out of this newsgroup. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Yeah, just lure the cat > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this..one neighbor will tell on you, then next thing you know, you're > in a confrontation...after all, you are in nigger town. Guess I live in "nigger town" too since half my family is black. Nice, Barry. You know better than that. -L. > > kili > > It's a bad situation. The husband is taking out anger on the cat who didn't > do anything. Claims he's teaching the cat a lesson when in fact he'd like > to strangle his wife. Oh, my. That's another good reason just to keep quiet and take the cat. Like Lyn said, if the cat is roaming (esp. if there are leash laws there), Kili is within the law to take it anyway. If she stirs up a stink with animal control/police, and the guy finds out she's the one who called, he could go crazy-mad on *her*. I have *no doubt* he is capable of hurting a human. Or if animal control comes, stirs him up and does nothing, he'll either take it out on the cat, or the wife. Kili, be very careful. You just don't know what people are capable of anymore. Sherry > > > kili > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry I know, that's why I think the suggestion of just taking the cat to a humane society (as long as it's no-kill) out of the area is the best suggestion. I *really* don't trust my neighbors and I don't want to create any further anxiety in this neighborhood. I've never trusted this neighbor anyway. He just looks mean. I've always thought of him as some sort of wife-beater, but never had proof. This was the first bit of proof I've had that he's mean. I didn't like it and neither did my husband. Allan's been quite ready to go off on the guy before just for putting that poor cat outside anyway. Chester is the shy, meek type, about 2 years old, always indoors and now he gets shoved outdoors. He doesn't know outside! Within 2 weeks he was hit by a car. What do they do? They shove him back out again! I'm sorry, it takes about 10 minutes a day to clean a damn litterbox. What's the big deal? kili > > > > kili > > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > kili Well I sure hope you can snag the little guy soon. I'd just have everything ready to bundle him out of town. > > > > > kili > > > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Well I sure hope you can snag the little guy soon. I'd just have everything > ready to bundle him out of town. I'll be gone for the majority of the weekend, working, but I'll see if Allan can do anything. I know he wants to. I just have to put the bug in his ear. I'll leave a note because I won't be seeing him until tomorrow night. kili > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was > "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > kili Yes you absolutely DO call and report that. NOW. ABSOLUTELY. That is ABUSE. If nothing else beg them to take that cat from the home. There is NO way this cat should be in this situation. You really MUST call as soon as you can. And if it were me, I would snatch that cat into the house as soon as I could. That is intolerable. > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was > "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Sorry, had to vent. If it were me, and animal control did not remove the cat *immediately*, I would steal the cat and re-home it out-of-county. Illegal, yes. But it is the compassionate, and ethical thing to do. You can only guess how much that cat suffers when *no one is looking.* You only saw one incident, but you can be sure it was not an isolated one. That cat has no advocate. We have to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. Please, present your case to animal control, and to the police. Try your humane societies and ask if they have an abuse team. Let us know how this unfolds. Sherry >> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was >> "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Sherry I agree with Sherry. Maybe you think you cannot take in another cat, but neither can you stand by and watch it be killed -- or more likely as she pointed out -- it will be killed (or seriously maimed or injured) behind your back and the prying eyes of the police or animal welfare. Do what you can to get the cat to safety, whether it be your own home or garage or the local humane society. You witnessed an act of animal cruelty. Based on that alone, any animal protection agency worth its salt would come immediately to the home, examine the cat and likely take it into custody. In New York City, the owner would be fined at the very least. If you wouldn't turn your back on a child, then please do not turn your back on this cat. You cared enough to post about it here. Clearly you were bothered by it. Please do what you can to see that the cat is taken to safety. And keep your own cats and chldren away from this monster. Good luck. HLS > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was > "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at > their house now. One car leaves, another comes over - only when her husband > is gone, mind you. We can only assume You take the cat, and turn it in to a Humane Society as a stray. No way are the idiots going to fork over big bucks to rescue a cat they don't care about. If you are worried that they might, take it out of the area to a different Humane Society. -L. > > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife was > > "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much traffic at [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. Aha! That's the best idea I've heard yet! What if Chester just disappeared? He'd get adopted out; he's a beautiful cat with a really nice disposition, but very shy. Black and white with clear green eyes. My hubby doesn't work tomorrow. If I see him and talk to him before then I'll see if he can take him! GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!! kili > Aha! That's the best idea I've heard yet! What if Chester just > disappeared? He'd get adopted out; he's a beautiful cat with a really nice [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > kili Thanks. It's legal and a simple way to get the cat out of the abusive situation. I do it when I can't rehome the cat myself. -L. >> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His >> wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > don't care about. If you are worried that they might, take it out of > the area to a different Humane Society. I thought they already spent thousands on vet care for the cat, though? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > >> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His > >> wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I thought they already spent thousands on vet care for the cat, > though? They did, but before he was fully healed (he couldn't even POOP!), they turned him outside again. I just don't understand the mentality of these people. kili >> >> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His >> >> wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > they turned him outside again. I just don't understand the > mentality of these people. Yeah, I'm not suggesting they're not selfish, abusing a.sholes. Just that if they spent thousands on vet care, they might also spend big bucks to get the cat out of the shelter, even though they treat him like crap. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > My husband and I are sick. We are absolutely sick. Yet, what can we do > other than report him? We can't take on another cat, but when the cat comes > to our door, whining to be fed, of course we feed him. We had to confront > the neighbor on that issue, too. The cat was coming to our door for food > and water. WTF????????? Ideally, you would call animal welfare, who would respond when you agreed to act as witness to the torment and to the fact that the cat relies on you for food. Should that not work...if the cat's wandering around outside, if it's off the neighbours' property, it's "stray". And strays...get re-homed :) As for what the neighbours do inside their own house, whether it be prostitution or drugs, I honestly don't care as long as it stays in the house. I'd be more bothered by the husband hanging around in the yard being a disturbance to the peace than what was going on inside. Besides, you would need evidence, to call the cops, yes? I lived in a lousy neighbourhood a few years back, but we got on okay because everyone on drugs kept 'em inside their own apartments, and we never had to deal with drugged-up guys or weapons on our way into our own place. We heard a lot of fights and smelled a lot of weed though. Best of luck and purrs for kitty. --Fil > I lived in a lousy neighbourhood a few years back, but we got on okay > because everyone on drugs kept 'em inside their own apartments, and we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > --Fil yes; people on crack hide inside, they get paranoid > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His > wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so > much traffic at their house now. One car leaves, another comes over > - only when her husband is gone, mind you. We can only assume Don't assume. You're probably wrong, and even if you aren't, it's none of your business. Anyway, the woman who might be cheating isn't the one abusing the cat; the man is. And if he does that, imagine what he might be doing to her, and why she might want to get comfort from other places. You're absolutely right to be concerned about issues of abuse, and do what you can to intervene. I hope you can find a way to rescue this cat. Is it really impossible to take on another cat? You're already feeding him ... that being said, I know that yes, sometimes it really is impossible. > Anyway, tonight my husband and I witnessed the absolute most > intolerable thing. I'm so mortified that I can't even type to tell [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > kili Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His >> wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > what he might be doing to her, and why she might want to get comfort > from other places. You really live in another world, don't you? I guess you've never lived in a bad neighborhood in your life. Never had drug dealers living next door (or those with other erstwhile occupations) nor the crime that accompanies it. I have and it's not fun. The woman has a choice - leave. She did leave; she came back. The man was seen abusing an animal, not her (as far as we know). True, we don't know what he's doing to her inside the house but she's got lots of visitors when he's not there, so it is safe to assume she's not seeking "comfort" by the hour. I'm not condoning any of the behavior going on next door to kilikini but how dare you say she and her husband should mind their own business? It's their neighborhood! Would YOU mind your own business if you had these people living next door or across the street? Shut the blinds and close your eyes? Say, "It's not my problem?" Not call the cops? Not get frustrated if the cops don't do anything about the crack and all the other sh.t going down where you live and now animal abuse? Time for everyone to take back their neighborhoods and make them liveable without fear again. Time for everyone to say enough is enough; we want a place to LIVE, not a place for people to die. Jill > Time for everyone to take back their neighborhoods and make them liveable > without fear again. Time for everyone to say enough is enough; we want a > place to LIVE, not a place for people to die. > > Jill Jill... Darlin' Be yourself. For once. Stop dancing to anyone elses tune, and just be yourself. You try so hard not to be the real you, it comes out all muddled... a leapord can't change it's spots... You is who you is... The moment you love yourself just as you are.. Then you got something! You got something that most people only dream of. >> Time for everyone to take back their neighborhoods and make them >> liveable without fear again. Time for everyone to say enough is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Then you got something! You got something that most people only dream > of. I don't know WTF you are talking about. I'm never anything but myself. Jill >>> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His >>> wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > visitors when he's not there, so it is safe to assume she's not > seeking "comfort" by the hour. Okay. Professions that charge by the hour include massage therapy, counselling, and law. I have friends who are massage therapists; they don't make a lot of money. Some of them work out of their homes. I guess I do live in another world, and I guess you'd call me a Pollyanna, but I believe in live and let live so long as no one's being harmed. And I am too busy in my own life to notice the comings and goings of my neighbors and their guests. Granted, if my neighbors were in the habit of making so much noise that I had to listen to their arguments, I would probably pay more attention. Honestly, the implication of prostitute didn't even enter my mind until just now. And I still have no idea what it has to do with the real issue, which is that a cat is being abused. > I'm not condoning any of the behavior going on next door to kilikini > but how dare you say she and her husband should mind their own [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do anything about the crack and all the other sh.t going down where > you live and now animal abuse? Maybe I missed something, but I honestly don't recall any mention of crack in relation to this particular couple. Would I mind if I had people living next door who abused their cat? Hell, yeah. Would I mind if I had a prostitute living next door? Only if I felt endangered by it. It struck me more as moral outrage, and no, I'm not big on telling other people how to live their lives. If people were being mugged or shot on my street, I would mind. If people were damaging my property, I would mind. If animals, children, or in fact any living creature were being abused, I would mind. But if no one's being harmed and my property isn't being damaged, I don't really care what other people are doing. I understand that Kili's neighborhood has all of the above going on. But I've only actually seen a connection drawn between these neighbors and the animal abuse, and that's bad enough. I don't think it matters one whit whether the wife is a prostitute or not; either way, the cat is being abused, and that is the important point. > Time for everyone to take back their neighborhoods and make them > liveable without fear again. Time for everyone to say enough is > enough; we want a place to LIVE, not a place for people to die. I can whole-heartedly agree with this. I just don't see what it has to do with sex. Perhaps you're right and I'm just ignorant. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>> We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His >>>> wife was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > I can whole-heartedly agree with this. I just don't see what it has > to do with sex. Perhaps you're right and I'm just ignorant. Monique, I apologize for my outburst. I just happen to know kili pretty well and I know what kind of neighborhood she lives in. I also used to live in one similar and it can be pretty darn scary. The assumption of prostitution is probably correct. But you are right, it doesn't have much to do with the cat being abused *except* that it appeared the husband came home and was upset with his wife so he took it out on the cat instead. I also know of her frustration at calling the cops and having them do nada, zip, zilch with the folks who deal crack across the street. It's doubtful they'd do anything about pet abuse, given the circumstances. Again, I apologize for going off on you. Jill >>> Time for everyone to take back their neighborhoods and make them >>> liveable without fear again. Time for everyone to say enough is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jill Jill, I apologize as well, to you and to Kili. After reading several of the posts by you, Kili, and I believe others, I am realizing that either I'm oblivious (which is very likely) or that I have been fortunate enough never to live in the sorts of neighborhoods where violence might ensue. I am a strong believer in live and let live (ie, if you want to sell sex or you want to do drugs, go ahead), but I believe that in a vacuum. I've never had to live next to drug dealers who could directly or indirectly lead to me being shot. (Or if I did, I was oblivious, as I mentioned.) I could insert a rant here about how if it weren't illegal, people wouldn't be shooting each other for it, but anyway ... I apologize. I am a spoiled little rich girl (at least, in contrast to a lot of people), and I am embarrassed at my naivety. If all of these things were going on around me, I would probably be more inclined to pay attention and speculate. And if I had kids, as someone mentioned, I absolutely would make it my business to know the people nearby! That is true, and a point I completely missed. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Jill, I apologize as well, to you and to Kili. After reading several of > the posts by you, Kili, and I believe others, I am realizing that either [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca are ya'll done fondling each other > I apologize. I am a spoiled little rich girl (at least, in contrast > to a lot of people), and I am embarrassed at my naivety. If all of > these things were going on around me, I would probably be more > inclined to pay attention and speculate. And if I had kids, as > someone mentioned, I absolutely would make it my business to know the > people nearby! That is true, and a point I completely missed. When I lived in the rough neighborhood, I noticed that most of the unpleasantness happened to people who were either 1. involved in bad stuff, 2. careless/dumb, or 3. unlucky. For example, we had a car torched in the parking lot but that was because the car's owner owed someone money for drugs. No one torched OUR car because no one there knew or cared two litterbox treasures about us. So we 1. stayed away from drugs or other involvement with the problem people, 2. defended ourselves ie locking doors, ignition disabler in our car, never leaving stuff in our car that might make it attractive to thieves, etc and 3. hoped we stayed lucky until we could move, a year and a half later. --Fil > We have a next-door neighbor of whom we're really unsure of. His wife > was "missing" for almost a year, she came back and there's so much [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > kili Report him straight away. There can *never* be any justification for that sort of violence, whether against an animal or another human being. I admire your husband's restraint in not hitting your nieghbor. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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