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Feline Remote Psychic Surgery?

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Pat - 17 Nov 2005 21:37 GMT
Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
his tumor!

As of this morning it was GONE. Repeat: Not There Anymore.

What on earth happened to it?? Do we have a Feline Remote Psychic Surgeon in
our group?

There's just a little depression where it sat, surrounded by a bit of hard
raised tissue - such as I'd expect to feel after having a tumor-ectomy, only
without the stitches and shaved shoulder.

Crazy, ennit?
Karen - 17 Nov 2005 21:41 GMT
THat means it must have been a fatty cyst or sebatious? ; the kind that can
reabsorb back in. This has happened to Sugar. That is WAY cool.

> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
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>
> Crazy, ennit?
wafflycat - 17 Nov 2005 21:43 GMT
> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard
> with his tumor!
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>
> Crazy, ennit?

Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.

Cheers, helen s
Pat - 17 Nov 2005 21:49 GMT
> Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.

Yeah, except TED said it was a tumor!

Christina Websell - 17 Nov 2005 21:57 GMT
>> Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>
> Yeah, except TED said it was a tumor!

Well, it obviously wasn't.  It's great to be confident enough to make such a
diagnosis without a biopsy and upset the owner  :-P  I don't think..

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 18 Nov 2005 03:04 GMT
>>Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>
> Yeah, except TED said it was a tumor!

I think I'd be searching for a new TED, in that case.
(Although I suppose "cyst" and "tumor" are closely enough
related so some people use the words interchangeably.)
>  
Pat - 18 Nov 2005 03:30 GMT
>>>Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> "cyst" and "tumor" are closely enough related so some people use the words
> interchangeably.)

Dr. Johnson clearly said it's *not* a cyst.

But perhaps my report of healing was too quick. This seems to be a volatile
situation... Kitty has been fairly lethargic all day and not eating much. I
felt the "spot" on his shoulder a while ago and it is now swelling once
again, but the swelling this time is very soft and squishy.

I'm calling TED back in the morning.
Jo Firey - 18 Nov 2005 04:34 GMT
"Pat" <pdavis@fidnetspamfree.com>

> But perhaps my report of healing was too quick. This seems to be a
> volatile situation... Kitty has been fairly lethargic all day and not
> eating much. I felt the "spot" on his shoulder a while ago and it is now
> swelling once again, but the swelling this time is very soft and squishy.
>
> I'm calling TED back in the morning.

I'm betting TED is wrong.  They aren't infallible.

Any chance it could be a deep abscess?  If my cat would co-operate I'd be
trying holding a warm cloth on it for a while.

Jo
jmcquown - 18 Nov 2005 12:25 GMT
>>>> Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>>>
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>
> I'm calling TED back in the morning.

I vote for the warm cloth application; I think this is an abscess or a cyst
that burst.  I don't trust your vet since he/she didn't want to do a biopsy
but declared it's a tumor.  That never sounded right to me.

Jill
Jane - 18 Nov 2005 13:54 GMT
>>>>Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>>>
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>
>I'm calling TED back in the morning.

Ah, here you go.  My Fin had this when he first picked me up in the
parking lot.  There was a scratch or tiny claw hole there, and the
swelling is the pus from an infection.  It drained away, but the
infection isn't gone, making his temp rise a little (hence the lethargia),
so itsounds like it needs to be lanced and cleaned out and Kitty given
a large shot of antibiotics.  He might need a good bath once or
twice later on, too, to wash it out more.  This worked for Fin.

Jane
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2005 21:13 GMT
>>>>Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>>>
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>
> I'm calling TED back in the morning.

Sounds like an abcess, which it probably was all along.  They can reform if
not cleaned out properly.

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Nov 2005 20:48 GMT
>>>>>Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.
>>>>
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> Sounds like an abcess, which it probably was all along.  They can reform if
> not cleaned out properly.

I was thinking the same thing!  And of course, if you have
more than one cat, even if they mostly get along well with
each other, "cat bite abcess" is always a possibility.
(Judging by the depth of some of Melisande's "love bites" on
me, they might have only been playing.)
Jane - 18 Nov 2005 13:51 GMT
>>>Sounds like it might have been a cyst which has popped & gone.

>> Yeah, except TED said it was a tumor!

Just further proof that not all vets graduate at the top of their
class.

Jane
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Nov 2005 04:17 GMT
> Yeah, except TED said it was a tumor!

Doctors aren't infallible, though. Looks like this one made a mistake.
Doesn't mean he/she is a bad vet, though - it was most likely an
educated guess. It just wasn't the right guess. Which I'm very glad
to hear! :)

Joyce
Howard C. Berkowitz - 18 Nov 2005 19:00 GMT
>  > Yeah, except TED said it was a tumor!
>
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>
> Joyce

I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
Purrs in the meantime!
Pat - 18 Nov 2005 19:40 GMT
> I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
> Purrs in the meantime!

I talked with TED on the phone. Kitty's temp is 101, he is lethargic and not
eating much. The "spot" has filled with fluid now and is tender to the
touch, but not *too* painful. Under it I can feel what seems to be a HOLE in
his scapula.... TED said he wants to cut it open and have a look but that
there's no rush.
Karen - 18 Nov 2005 19:59 GMT
No rush? I would assume there is every reason to rush with a fever. If it is
an infection, it can go south quickly. :(

> > I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
> > Purrs in the meantime!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> his scapula.... TED said he wants to cut it open and have a look but that
> there's no rush.
Christina Websell - 18 Nov 2005 21:26 GMT
>> I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
>> Purrs in the meantime!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> in his scapula.... TED said he wants to cut it open and have a look but
> that there's no rush.

Who said there is no rush, your vet?  I think there is.
I'm starting to think you need a new vet, if so.
If I presented my vet with a cat with Abelard's symptoms he might well
decide to wait a while, but if I said it burst and now I could feel a hole
in his scapula I know for a fact that he would rush into action to see what
was going on.  Nothing less is acceptable, IMO.

Tweed
Howard C. Berkowitz - 18 Nov 2005 22:03 GMT
> > I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
> > Purrs in the meantime!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> his scapula.... TED said he wants to cut it open and have a look but that
> there's no rush.

If at all possible, find another vet. If that was an encapsulated
abscess that released its contents into the blood, intravenous
antibiotics may be absolutely necessary.  An immediate complete blood
count and blood cultures are probably appropriate.

Good luck.
Pat - 18 Nov 2005 22:40 GMT
> If at all possible, find another vet. If that was an encapsulated
> abscess that released its contents into the blood, intravenous
> antibiotics may be absolutely necessary.  An immediate complete blood
> count and blood cultures are probably appropriate.

OK I just called the other vet and told her the whole story. She says, 101
is a normal temp for a cat, and it's not urgent that he be seen by a vet
again. Besides that, Abelard has gone outside and there are no vets open
tomorrow around here.
Jo Firey - 18 Nov 2005 22:33 GMT
>> I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
>> Purrs in the meantime!
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> in his scapula.... TED said he wants to cut it open and have a look but
> that there's no rush.

What temp is normal in a cat?  I'm thinking its a little over 100 anyway.

Jo
CatNipped - 18 Nov 2005 23:25 GMT
> >> I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
> >> Purrs in the meantime!
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>
> Jo

101 to 102.2 is considered normal.

Hugs,

CatNipped
sriddles@aol.com - 18 Nov 2005 23:43 GMT
> > I'm beginning to think a needle biopsy would be a very good idea.
> > Purrs in the meantime!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> his scapula.... TED said he wants to cut it open and have a look but that
> there's no rush.

That's a pretty normal temp for a cat. Normal ranges from 100.5 to
102.5.
Some breeds have a "normal" higher temp than others -- Devon Rexes but
I'm not sure about Abys.  I still think it sounds like an abscess. They
can be huge, or small, and feel firm to the touch. It could have burst
and he cleaned himself up before you saw the drainage on him. Then
filled back up, maybe?

Sherry
Pat - 19 Nov 2005 00:51 GMT
>  I still think it sounds like an abscess. They
> can be huge, or small, and feel firm to the touch. It could have burst
> and he cleaned himself up before you saw the drainage on him. Then
> filled back up, maybe?

How's that possible, when there's absolutely no detectable break in the
skin?
sriddles@aol.com - 19 Nov 2005 04:06 GMT
> >  I still think it sounds like an abscess. They
> > can be huge, or small, and feel firm to the touch. It could have burst
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> How's that possible, when there's absolutely no detectable break in the
> skin?

Oh. Guess not then. You'd see at least a small scab. Well, anyway, this
has to be good news, don't you think? Doesn't sound like a tumor
anyway. Hope it gets completely well and that's that.

Sherry
jmcquown - 19 Nov 2005 06:01 GMT
>>>  I still think it sounds like an abscess. They
>>> can be huge, or small, and feel firm to the touch. It could have
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>
> Sherry

My dog had an abscess that he pricked with a needle; it didn't scab over.
It just drained and deflated.  Formed a sort of hard spot but that went
away.

Jill
John F. Eldredge - 19 Nov 2005 20:48 GMT
>> >  I still think it sounds like an abscess. They
>> > can be huge, or small, and feel firm to the touch. It could have burst
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Sherry

An infection can start from the inside, with a germ that circulated in
the bloodstream until it settled at that point, or there could have
been a very small hole, from a puncture rather than a scratch, that
healed up without the inner tissues completely healing.

After one of my heart catherizations, which involve tapping into the
femoral artery at groin level, I ended up with a muscle infection just
above my knee in that same leg.  There was no break in the skin around
the knee, so I presume that the sheath or catheter weren't completely
sterile.  Fortunately, the infection cleared up quickly once I was put
on an oral antibiotic.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Nov 2005 20:53 GMT
>> I still think it sounds like an abscess. They
>>can be huge, or small, and feel firm to the touch. It could have burst
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> How's that possible, when there's absolutely no detectable break in the
> skin?

One of Howard's posts suggested that it might have burst and
drained into the surrounding tissue, without breaking the
skin (more serious than if it drained externally).
Yoj - 17 Nov 2005 21:54 GMT
Crazy wonderful, I'd say!  Never underestimate the power of the purr.

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> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Crazy, ennit?
polonca12000 - 17 Nov 2005 22:17 GMT
That's amazing! I just couldn't be happier for you!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek

> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
>
> As of this morning it was GONE. Repeat: Not There Anymore.
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meee - 17 Nov 2005 22:23 GMT
wonderful wonderful wonderful!!! I'm so glad he is fine!!

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> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Crazy, ennit?
kilikini - 17 Nov 2005 22:43 GMT
> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Crazy, ennit?

Wow, this is amazing!  I'll bet that hard raised tissue is going to go away
over time.  Just wait.  This is wonderful news!

kili
Enfilade - 18 Nov 2005 01:44 GMT
> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What on earth happened to it?? Do we have a Feline Remote Psychic Surgeon in
> our group?

Nocturne would like to take credit for the miracle...The Lord Nocturne
Giveth, and the Lord Nocturne Taketh Away.

Personally though, I'm willing to ignore my little heretic and say
purrs have worked their power again.

--Fil
Sam Nash - 18 Nov 2005 03:31 GMT
> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard
> with his tumor!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Crazy, ennit?
Way cool, Pat!
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Nov 2005 04:15 GMT
> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard
> with his tumor!
> As of this morning it was GONE. Repeat: Not There Anymore.

That's amazing. Maybe it wasn't a tumor after all? I'm so glad he's
OK!

Joyce
Christine Burel - 18 Nov 2005 19:11 GMT
Pat, after reading your earlier post I am so glad to read this one!
regards,
Christine
> Man oh man, those were mighty healing purrs that y'all sent for Abelard with
> his tumor!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Crazy, ennit?
 
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