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zuzu22@webtv.net - 04 Nov 2005 07:57 GMT
People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
of a feline companion:

Are asthmatic cats allergic to humans?
Some felines sickened by cigarette smoke, dust and dandruff, study finds

LONDON - Cats are blamed for triggering asthma attacks in humans but
veterinarians in Scotland said on Wednesday it may also work the other
way around.

Irritants such as cigarette smoke, dusty homes and human dandruff can
increase inflammation in feline lungs and worsen asthma in cats.

"There is a percentage of asthmatic cats whose asthma has been triggered
by things people do, or possibly by people themselves," said Nicki Reed,
of the University of Edinburgh's Hospital for Small Animals in Scotland.

"Cats with feline asthma syndrome can be made worse by living in a
household where people smoke, or where there are other potential
allergens or irritants.
In the first study of its kind in Britain, Reed and her team are
planning a trial involving 50 cats to determine whether a bacterium
called Mycoplasma which is found in human asthma patients in also
involved in the feline disease.

If it is, they hope it will lead to improved treatments for the one in
about 200 cats that suffer coughs, wheezing and shortness of breath
caused by asthma.
Pedigree oriental breeds such as Siamese cats are more prone to the
respiratory problem than other cats, according to the researchers.

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MaryL - 04 Nov 2005 13:48 GMT
> People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
> fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> - W.H. Murray

This is one more good reason *not* to smoke -- a source of medical problems
(including death) for people *and* a source of problems for our wonderful
cats.  I know how difficult it is to stop smoking.  My brother tried a
variety of methods for a very long time, but he finally succeeded -- he went
from being a chain smoker to none, and he has not picked up a cigarette for
almost 9 years.  My uncle, by contrast, was a chain smoker all his life.  He
died a lingering and terrible death from lung cancer.  This article, of
course, was about cats (which it should be for this newsgroup), but I threw
in this extra information to point out that there are many good reasons not
to smoke.  But, if you feel that you cannot give it up, you should smoke
outdoors exclusively for the safety of your feline companions.

MaryL
MaryL - 04 Nov 2005 13:52 GMT
Sorry, folks...I just realized that I should have deleted one of the
newsgroups to avoid cross posting.  Nevertheless, the article that Megan
posted is important information for those of us who love cats, and many
people do not realize (or refuse to accept) the fact that cigarettes are
dangerous to our pets as well as to ourselves.  So, this may be a time when
cross posting can be helpful.

MaryL
Norm - 04 Nov 2005 13:56 GMT
> > People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
> > fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
> to smoke.  But, if you feel that you cannot give it up, you should smoke
> outdoors exclusively for the safety of your feline companions.

Simon was astmatic and  had extreme trouble breathing, the vet had to
feed oxygen through a throat cut, his owner was a heavy smoker and you
could smell the smoke on the cat.

--
"In 2005, the refining margin...has exceeded $20 per barrel, far above
the long-term average of $6.  That has meant record profits for oil
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Karen - 04 Nov 2005 14:20 GMT
>>> People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
>>> fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> feed oxygen through a throat cut, his owner was a heavy smoker and you
> could smell the smoke on the cat.

It seems Siamese and Siamese mixes are also prone.  Pearl is to the
point where we can put the mask and spacer on and she tolerates it
pretty well. By Sunday I plan to add the meds. The light is really
beginning to dawn that mask=turkey.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 04 Nov 2005 17:48 GMT
>Simon was astmatic and had extreme
>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed
>oxygen through a throat cut, his owner
>was a heavy smoker and you could smell
>the smoke on the cat.

That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think
it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are
selfish and only care about their own gratification. The cat gets
asthma, but they keep puffing away, oblivious to the serious harm they
are inflicting, and the animals suffer. I imagine they think it's ok to
blow smoke in a baby's face too.

Besides the risk of developing asthma, there was a study that showed
cats exposed to secondhand smoke also had a greatly increased risk of
developing lymphoma. So first they can't breathe, then they die from
cancer. All because of selfish humans.

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splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

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Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 22:06 GMT
> >Simon was astmatic and had extreme
>>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Megan

That's ridiculous.  Are you saying that cats who belong to smokers are dying
in droves through lymphoma caused by smoking?   I don't think so.

Tweed
Karen - 04 Nov 2005 22:15 GMT
> > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme
> >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Tweed

I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read some alarming statistics about
stomach lymphoma in cats and second hand smoke. It's pretty clear. I blame
myself for Grant's death. I began smoking outside immediately. I have cut
WAY back and should be able to quit this winter. Megan can jump all over me
if she wants. I don't think I was being a jerk or whatever but sometimes we
just don't believe things until it happens to us. It's pretty recent but
there is a clear correlation between that specific lymphoma in cats and
smoke exposure.
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT
>> > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme
>> >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> there is a clear correlation between that specific lymphoma in cats and
> smoke exposure.

Point me towards the statistics, please.

Tweed
Karen - 04 Nov 2005 23:57 GMT
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/156/3/268

> >> > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme
> >> >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Tweed
zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 01:39 GMT
>I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>immediately. I have cut WAY back and
>should be able to quit this winter.

Good for you. If you plan on quitting why not just do it? There was a
news piece on last night on one of the cable news channels that said
that smokers trying to quit are much more successful when they get help
instaed of doing it by themselves.They gave out a number of an
organization that has been pretty successful helping people to quit
1-800-QUIT-NOW

>Megan can jump all over me if she wants.

I'm not going to do that because when you came to that realization you
immediately made changes with the cats health in mind, but I am curious
and would like to ask what your thought process was in terms of smoking
around the cats? I mean, it's been well known for years that second hand
smoke is quite harmful and I see you as someone who wouldn't even
consider smoking around a little baby, so why the cats?

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providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


Karen - 05 Nov 2005 02:41 GMT
>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>> some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Megan

I don't know. Quite literally. And quitting isn't as easy as you think.
I also eat too much. I constantly struggle with eating the wrong things
too. I know I shouldn't. I know it's very bad. Some times I do well,
other times, I eat something that I just get mad at myself over later.
In general, I keep it in check. I'm only slightly overweight, but I
could be hugely overweight. And like that, I just smoked without
thinking about it much. I don't believe I'm as physically adicted as
some. I can go fairly long periods without. Longer, now that I only
smoke outside. Talking about it makes it worse however. Then I
imediately want to. And if anyone tells me I shouldn't, boom. I want
one. If I don't think about then I don't. Go figure. I guess I'm bull
headed or something.  I wish I could just program flaws and vices off
but I can't, so I work at it. I'll get there with both things.
MaryL - 05 Nov 2005 03:08 GMT
>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>>> some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> flaws and vices off but I can't, so I work at it. I'll get there with both
> things.

Karen,

My brother was a chain smoker.  He had smoked for years and was seldom
without a cigarette.  He was considerat about it and would go outside to
smoke.  If he was driving, he would stop every hour or so to smoke so he
wouldn't fog up the car for the rest of us.  He tried many times to stop and
at one time thought that it was simply impossible.  However, as I said in
another message, he finally quit and hasn't smoked for almost 9 years.  The
"cure" for him was a prescription medication called Zyban.  It's also an
antidepressant.  You might want to ask your doctor about it.

MaryL
Adrian - 05 Nov 2005 11:36 GMT
>>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>>>> some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
> MaryL

Different things work for different people. I tried Zyban at one time, it
didn't help me. What finally helped was nicotine lozenges and the fact I
didn't want to harm the cats, I never really cared about my own health. It's
four years almost to the day since my last cigarette, before that I smoked
as much as 80 per day.
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Karen - 05 Nov 2005 19:58 GMT
>>>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>>>>> some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> four years almost to the day since my last cigarette, before that I smoked
> as much as 80 per day.

Wow. I don't feel as bad now. I never got much above a pack and now am
around 1/2 pack. Wow. I'm really glad you stopped that.
Adrian - 05 Nov 2005 20:37 GMT
>>>>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>>>>>> some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> Wow. I don't feel as bad now. I never got much above a pack and now am
> around 1/2 pack. Wow. I'm really glad you stopped that.

Another thing that helps me to stay off them is knowing that I spent more
than $100,000.00 on cigarettes.
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MaryL - 05 Nov 2005 20:42 GMT
> Another thing that helps me to stay off them is knowing that I spent more
> than $100,000.00 on cigarettes.

Yes, a cigarette habit can be remarkably expensive in both money and health.
When my brother quit, he opened a separate account and started to deposit
(and later invest) everything that he once would have spent on cigarettes.
It has been about 9 years since he smoked, and he recently bought a new car
with the money he saved!

MaryL
Jo Firey - 05 Nov 2005 04:06 GMT
>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read
>>> some alarming statistics about stomach
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>> immediately. I have cut WAY back and
>>> should be able to quit this winter.

> I don't know. Quite literally. And quitting isn't as easy as you think. I
> also eat too much. I constantly struggle with eating the wrong things too.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> flaws and vices off but I can't, so I work at it. I'll get there with both
> things.

It sound to me like you are on the right track.  I quit kind of the same
way.  I never smoked in my car, because it makes the car stink.  Even to a
smoker.  Couldn't smoke at home or I would have found myself homeless.
Seriously I wouldn't have dreamed of smoking in my parents home, never did
when I had my own place and then married a non smoker.  I was still managing
to smoke a lot at work - two jobs.  But when we moved across the country I
quit.  Much easier because we were in the car most of the time driving.  No
temptation there.  Or my husband and I were together with friends or family,
etc.  Only severe temptation was I really missed having a cigarette with a
cup of coffee after a meal.

Hope your winter is cold and nasty enough outdoors to give you a little
extra push.  (And nice and warm and cozy inside)

Jo
Brandy  Alexandre - 04 Nov 2005 22:43 GMT
Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> >Simon was astmatic and had extreme
>>>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Tweed

Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and
humans, for that matter), and that they will die prematurely.  Kami
gets ousted from the area when I use hairspray or do my nails.  
Can't imagine smoking on a pet, asthma or not.

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Joe Canuck - 04 Nov 2005 23:06 GMT
Brandy  Alexandre wrote:

> Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
> rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and
> humans, for that matter),

Hmm, very interesting statement that appears to indicate kids are not
humans.

Given that I have viewed your expression of dislike for kids, I'm not
surprised you have stooped to this level of contempt.
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 23:40 GMT
> Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
> rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>>
>> Tweed

> Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and
> humans, for that matter), and that they will die prematurely.  Kami
> gets ousted from the area when I use hairspray or do my nails.
> Can't imagine smoking on a pet, asthma or not.

Now where did I say I smoked around kids and pets?   Or even if I smoked at
all?  You are making an assumption here.
Can't imagine having to oust my cats to use hairspray. Is that worse than
smoking in their airspace?  My nails are natural btw.

Tweed
zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 01:28 GMT
Tweed wrote:
>Now where did I say I smoked around
>kids and pets?   Or even if I smoked at
>all? You are making an assumption here.

You're assuming Brandy made an assumption. You are wrong. She didn't
write anything that stated or implied that you smoked. All she said was
accept the fact that it's wrong to smoke around kids, pets, and humans
(I think she may have meant to write adults). That's not an accusation
or an implication. It was a simple statement. For the record, since you
are being so defensive, do you smoke?

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material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

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Joe Canuck - 05 Nov 2005 01:49 GMT
> Tweed wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> accept the fact that it's wrong to smoke around kids, pets, and humans
> (I think she may have meant to write adults).

Now you'd be making an assumption.  8-)

Naturally, Brandy seeing the possibilities here will come to your rescue
and agree that that was what she meant.

Funny how hindsight is 20/20.  :-D

> That's not an accusation
> or an implication. It was a simple statement. For the record, since you
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> - W.H. Murray
>  
Christina Websell - 06 Nov 2005 22:27 GMT
Tweed wrote:
>Now where did I say I smoked around
>kids and pets? Or even if I smoked at
>all? You are making an assumption here.

You're assuming Brandy made an assumption. You are wrong. She didn't
write anything that stated or implied that you smoked. All she said was
accept the fact that it's wrong to smoke around kids, pets, and humans
(I think she may have meant to write adults). That's not an accusation
or an implication. It was a simple statement. For the record, since you
are being so defensive, do you smoke?

Megan

What I am being defensive about is the prescriptiveness about who/who not
deserves to adopt a cat which is in great need of a home.
Someone whose house is dusty is apparently not fit, nor smokes etc.
My point is that if you get too particular about good homes that are offered
for a cat that is likely to be euthanised...well, you get my drift.

Tweed
Brandy  Alexandre - 05 Nov 2005 02:44 GMT
Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and
>> humans, for that matter), and that they will die prematurely.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tweed

I didn't say you did.  I was opining on the subject and made absolutely
no accusations of anything against anyone except the collective smokers
with pets.  But I do think that hairspray can be as bad, or worse, than
smoke in a cat with respiratory disease.  I know that sometimes even
after I've held my breath and spray, I will taste it in the back of my
throat even though I thought the spray had settle.  I can't get Kami to
hold her breath, so she has to leave.

Actually, she's used to the routine.  I sound of me picking up the can
is like the bell to leave the bathroom for a bit.  And when I do my
nails, she just has to see the box come out and she leaves voluntarily.

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zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 01:22 GMT
 Tweed wrote:
>That's ridiculous. Are you saying that
>cats who belong to smokers are dying in
>droves through lymphoma caused by
>smoking?

The AVMA and Tuft's University are saying it looks that way. Considering
the number of smokers and the number of cats likely owned by them, with
a 2-4x increased risk of cancer I'd say that yes, droves of cats are
dying because of their selfish, irresponsible humans.

From Tuft's :
http://enews.tufts.edu/printerversion/080102PetsAndSmoke.htm

Smokers Put Pets At Risk

In a first-of-its-kind study, researchers from Tufts report a link
between second-hand smoke and cancer in cats.
No. Grafton, Mass. [08.01.02] -- Providing more scientific evidence
about the deadly effects of second-hand smoke, a new study from Tufts
reports that cats living in homes with smokers are more than twice as
likely than other cats to acquire feline lymphoma cancer. The research -
which is the first of its kind - alters current views on the causes of
lymphoma in cats and may help scientists better understand the causes of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in humans.
"It has long been believed that the major cause of feline lymphoma was
feline leukemia virus," Tufts' Dr. Antony Moore said in a report in
Science Daily. "The results of our study clearly indicate that exposure
to environmental factors such as second-hand tobacco smoke has
devastating consequences for cats because it significantly increases
their likelihood of contracting lymphoma."
The evidence - reported by researchers at Tufts' School of Veterinary
Medicine and the University of Massachusetts at Amherst - paints a
dramatic picture of the risks associated with second-hand smoke.
"They found that, adjusting for age and other factors, cats exposed to
secondhand smoke had more than double the risk of acquiring the
disease," reported the Associated Press. "In households where they were
exposed five years or more, cats had more than triple the risk. In a
two-smoker household, the risk went up by a factor of four."
In some cases, cats were at higher risk for cancer than humans living in
the same home.
"Exposure levels in cats continuously kept indoors may actually be
higher than those of human household members, who often spend extended
periods of time outside their homes," reported Science Daily. "Cats
become exposed by inhaling the smoke or by digesting it when they groom
themselves and lick particulate matter off their fur."
Based on their findings with cats, the Tufts researchers believe their
work may provide new evidence that second-hand smoke and lymphoma in
humans are linked.
"Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in humans, like feline lymphoma, is a cancer
that starts in lymph tissue and can spread to other organs," reported
USA Today. "The new study suggests that components of tobacco smoke have
a cancerous effect on lymphoid tissue, researchers say."
Moore also hopes the findings provide another compelling reason to quit
smoking.
"I think there's a lot of people who might not quit smoking for
themselves or their family," Moore said in the Associated Press report,
which was published in newspapers around the country. "But they might
for their cats."

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splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
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material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
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Diane - 05 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT
> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think
> it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are
> selfish and only care about their own gratification. The cat gets
> asthma, but they keep puffing away, oblivious to the serious harm they
> are inflicting, and the animals suffer. I imagine they think it's ok to
> blow smoke in a baby's face too.

What amazes me are people with asthma who smoke.
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Jo Firey - 05 Nov 2005 04:09 GMT
>> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think
>> it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What amazes me are people with asthma who smoke.

And emphysema, and lung cancer, etc.

It only shows that you have no concept of the power of addiction or of just
how addicting nicotine is for most smokers.

Jo
Rhonda - 05 Nov 2005 07:47 GMT
> And emphysema, and lung cancer, etc.
>
> It only shows that you have no concept of the power of addiction or of just
> how addicting nicotine is for most smokers.

How my sig. other quit was to develop an aneurysm of the aorta. Nothing
like a good ol' helicopter airlift and 10-hour surgery to make you
rethink the importance of cigarettes in your life!

He said later, the hardest part about quitting was not the nicotine
addiction, which was gone in the first week or so. The hardest part was
the habit itself -- the plain enjoyment and relaxation he felt while
smoking. He really missed all of that.

I'm thankful that I have a chocolate addiction instead.

Rhonda
Marina - 05 Nov 2005 07:53 GMT
> How my sig. other quit was to develop an aneurysm of the aorta. Nothing
> like a good ol' helicopter airlift and 10-hour surgery to make you
> rethink the importance of cigarettes in your life!

My way of quitting was effective, too, though I wouldn't recommend it to
anyone. I had the worst tummy bug for three days, and felt so miserable,
I never even thought of lighting a cigarette while it was going on. On
the third day, when I felt slightly better, I sat up and lit a cigarette
- and only tasted burning paper. My sense of taste was all messed up
from all the vomiting. So I took the cigarette from my mouth, looked at
it and thought, 'why am I doing this?', put it out and never lit up
again. That was 11 years and 8 months ago tomorrow.

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Diane - 05 Nov 2005 17:03 GMT
> >> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think
> >> it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> It only shows that you have no concept of the power of addiction or of just
> how addicting nicotine is for most smokers.

It shows how afraid I am of not being able to breathe. I've had an
incident where I couldn't breathe for a minute or so, and it was
terrifying enough that, no, I can't conceive of anything that would
compromise my ability to breathe.
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Brandy  Alexandre - 05 Nov 2005 17:20 GMT
Diane <delenn@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> >> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat
>> >> and think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that
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> terrifying enough that, no, I can't conceive of anything that
> would compromise my ability to breathe.

So true.  I worked for a respiratory supply company and all the gadgets
and devices that are out there just so you can take a breath are scary
and seems torturous.  Compared to the many, many stop smoking products
on the market today, why every single person hasn't stopped the ugly,
smelly vice is beyond me.

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zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT
>What amazes me are people with
>asthma who smoke.

The worst thing I ever saw was a woman playing bingo that had an oxygen
setup hooked to her wheelchair, with a tube going to her nose,
chainsmoking.

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MaryL - 05 Nov 2005 14:57 GMT
> >What amazes me are people with
>>asthma who smoke.
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>
> - W.H. Murray

That really *would* be the worst.  Not only was she killing herself, but she
was also endangering everyone else in the vicinity.  She could easily have
caused a fire and explosion.

MaryL
Adrian - 05 Nov 2005 11:45 GMT
>> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and
>> think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people
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>
> What amazes me are people with asthma who smoke.

I've read before that giving up smoking is harder than coming off heroin. I
know how hard it was for me to stop, I'm never suprised when people carry
on, even when they know it's killing them. People who have never smoked can
have no idea what it's like.
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Jo Firey - 05 Nov 2005 18:36 GMT
>>> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and
>>> think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people
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> can
> have no idea what it's like.

Even some who have smoked and quit may well not know.  The degree of
addiction to nicotine seems to vary by individual.

Even at two packs a day, most of my withdrawal was situational.

Until a really major stress trigger 15 years later caused me to start again
for a year.

But I've seen how physically addicted other smokers can be and would hardly
judge them based on my own experience.

Jo
Howard C. Berkowitz - 06 Nov 2005 00:07 GMT
> >>> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and
> >>> think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people
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> But I've seen how physically addicted other smokers can be and would hardly
> judge them based on my own experience.

The addiction physicians I know rate the physical effects of nicotine
withdrawal as comparable to that from opioids like heroin, but less
than from barbiturate withdrawal. Barbiturate withdrawal, however, is
NEVER attempted on an outpatient basis.

There are two (US) FDA-approved drug classes to assist in nicotine
withdrawal:  nicotine patches/gums/etc. and the atypical antidepressant
bupropion.  As marketed for nicotine withdrawal, the latter has the
trade name Zyban, which is exactly the same drug as the antidepressant
Welbutrin, which, in turn, is available much more cheaply as a generic.

These two demonstrably work, and work better in combination.  Other
drugs, such as clonidine, may also help. Anti-anxiety drugs can have a
role. For some individuals, support groups may be useful.

Am I conveying the idea that nicotine withdrawal is a medical
challenge?  Yes, some people can do it on their own, but there is
absolutely no shame or weakness in getting physician assistance.
Karen - 04 Nov 2005 14:17 GMT
I believe this to be true. Also our air fresheners, and candles. And
not just that, but in apartments, where it's hard to ventilate, even
the smoke from frying can be heavy. I know I am also trying to find
cleaning alternatives. And you can't necessarily open windows to
ventilate because I know earlier this fall just opening the deck door
was Bad News for triggering sneezes and coughing. Thank you for the
interesting article, Megan.
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 20:58 GMT
> People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
> fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
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> household where people smoke, or where there are other potential
> allergens or irritants.
<snip>

What a great idea!  Apply to a cat charity to adopt.  Sorry, no go.  Your
house is dusty and you have dandruff..
This must be a joke, surely.

Tweed
Annie Wxill - 04 Nov 2005 22:47 GMT
...> This must be a joke, surely.

> Tweed

Megan would not joke about this.
Annie
Enfilade - 05 Nov 2005 02:37 GMT
> People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
> fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
> of a feline companion:

If adults choose to smoke, that is their business.  But I believe they
should smoke outside, so that other beings--whether their kids, their
non-smoking family members or their pets--do not have to breathe the
noxious fumes.

I am kind of glad that Wayne (the guy who first tamed Smokey) couldn't
take him home because Wayne, his wife and his daughter all chainsmoke
and his two grandkids both have breathing trouble and are small for
their age and sickly, I would presume from living in a house that's
hazy everywhere inside from all the smoking going on in it.  Wayne is a
wonderful guy but gods, the smoke!!!

Poor Smokey.  He got his name from hanging out in the smoking
pit...well he had to quit smoking when he came to live with me.

--Fil
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 06 Nov 2005 14:48 GMT
I'm trying to stop smoking at the moment, and it's hard and I keep
falling off the wagon, but I'm determined to keep going.  The problem
with stopping smoking is that no matter how expensive, how harmful etc
that you know it is, until you actually WANT to stop as opposed to know
you ought to, you won't do it, IMO it's as simple as that.  As far as
cats go, I never smoke in front of him, he's got enough health problems
as it is, I go outside.  However, when I was younger, there was a um
certain type of cigarette (if you know what I mean) that I used to
smoke occasionally that he actually liked, and would come closer to get
a lungful, very strange, it used to make him hungry too, just like
humans, and get the catnip bliss out, in fact if we didn't hide it, the
green, he would treat it as if it were catnip.
Adrian - 06 Nov 2005 15:11 GMT
> I'm trying to stop smoking at the moment, and it's hard and I keep
> falling off the wagon, but I'm determined to keep going.  The problem
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> too, just like humans, and get the catnip bliss out, in fact if we
> didn't hide it, the green, he would treat it as if it were catnip.

I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main motivation
was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do know if I had just one
I'd be back to square one, it's a pity as it means I'll never have another
'certain type of cigarette' oh well. ;-)
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Marina - 06 Nov 2005 16:54 GMT
> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main motivation
> was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do know if I had just one
> I'd be back to square one, it's a pity as it means I'll never have another
> 'certain type of cigarette' oh well. ;-)

I'm the same. I know if I had one, I would be back to two packs a day in
no time. Fortunately, 'that certain type of cigarette' lost its effect
on me long before I quit smoking.

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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 07 Nov 2005 00:42 GMT
> > I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main motivation
> > was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do know if I had just one
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> Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
> and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

LOL - I know what you mean, but I suppose there are "other" ways of
smoking the funny stuff than in cigarettes, I can't though it makes me
a bit paranoid now cos it's too strong for me these days, sigh.
Adrian - 07 Nov 2005 10:03 GMT
>>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main
>>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do
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> smoking the funny stuff than in cigarettes, I can't though it makes me
> a bit paranoid now cos it's too strong for me these days, sigh.

Hvae you ever seen the film, Saving Grace? Maybe one day I'll try it as a
tea. ;-)
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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 07 Nov 2005 15:00 GMT
> >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main
> >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do
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> A House is not a home, without a cat.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

No, but I'm watching Weeds at the moment, which I think is hilarious,
and quite daring considering.  I used to have a plant that I nurtured
for years, until some builders that were working for me stripped it
bare, I knew, I swear when I came home from work and found not much
work had been done and all the biscuits had disappeared...
kilikini - 07 Nov 2005 15:11 GMT
> > >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main
> > >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do
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> bare, I knew, I swear when I came home from work and found not much
> work had been done and all the biscuits had disappeared...

Weeds?  I've never heard of that movie.  When did it come out?

kili
Jo Firey - 07 Nov 2005 20:43 GMT
>> > >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main
>> > >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do
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>
> kili

Its on the pay channels all the time at odd hours.  Should be easy to rent.

Jo
Adrian - 07 Nov 2005 15:20 GMT
>>>>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main
>>>>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> bare, I knew, I swear when I came home from work and found not much
> work had been done and all the biscuits had disappeared...

I don't subscribe to any pay channels, I'll have to wait until that's shown
on Sky3.
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Brian Link - 15 Nov 2005 06:44 GMT
>People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
>fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
>of a feline companion:

<snip>

Yup. If you smoke, just chuck em out into the street, where they can
breathe clean, fresh air until being struck by a car or eaten by a
coyote.

BLink
MaryL - 19 Nov 2005 03:24 GMT
>>People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
>>fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
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>
> BLink

What a ridiculous comment.  You know Megan, so you know this is *not* what
she meant.

MaryL
-L. - 15 Nov 2005 10:26 GMT
> People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic
> fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing
> of a feline companion:

This reminds me of the idiot from another ng who smoked like a chimney
and then wondered why her cats were dying from lung tumors.
Ironically, her house burned down and sadly her cats did too.
-L.
 
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