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zuzu22@webtv.net - 04 Nov 2005 07:57 GMT People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing of a feline companion:
Are asthmatic cats allergic to humans? Some felines sickened by cigarette smoke, dust and dandruff, study finds
LONDON - Cats are blamed for triggering asthma attacks in humans but veterinarians in Scotland said on Wednesday it may also work the other way around.
Irritants such as cigarette smoke, dusty homes and human dandruff can increase inflammation in feline lungs and worsen asthma in cats.
"There is a percentage of asthmatic cats whose asthma has been triggered by things people do, or possibly by people themselves," said Nicki Reed, of the University of Edinburgh's Hospital for Small Animals in Scotland.
"Cats with feline asthma syndrome can be made worse by living in a household where people smoke, or where there are other potential allergens or irritants. In the first study of its kind in Britain, Reed and her team are planning a trial involving 50 cats to determine whether a bacterium called Mycoplasma which is found in human asthma patients in also involved in the feline disease.
If it is, they hope it will lead to improved treatments for the one in about 200 cats that suffer coughs, wheezing and shortness of breath caused by asthma. Pedigree oriental breeds such as Siamese cats are more prone to the respiratory problem than other cats, according to the researchers.
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MaryL - 04 Nov 2005 13:48 GMT > People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic > fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - W.H. Murray This is one more good reason *not* to smoke -- a source of medical problems (including death) for people *and* a source of problems for our wonderful cats. I know how difficult it is to stop smoking. My brother tried a variety of methods for a very long time, but he finally succeeded -- he went from being a chain smoker to none, and he has not picked up a cigarette for almost 9 years. My uncle, by contrast, was a chain smoker all his life. He died a lingering and terrible death from lung cancer. This article, of course, was about cats (which it should be for this newsgroup), but I threw in this extra information to point out that there are many good reasons not to smoke. But, if you feel that you cannot give it up, you should smoke outdoors exclusively for the safety of your feline companions.
MaryL
MaryL - 04 Nov 2005 13:52 GMT Sorry, folks...I just realized that I should have deleted one of the newsgroups to avoid cross posting. Nevertheless, the article that Megan posted is important information for those of us who love cats, and many people do not realize (or refuse to accept) the fact that cigarettes are dangerous to our pets as well as to ourselves. So, this may be a time when cross posting can be helpful.
MaryL
Norm - 04 Nov 2005 13:56 GMT > > People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic > > fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > to smoke. But, if you feel that you cannot give it up, you should smoke > outdoors exclusively for the safety of your feline companions. Simon was astmatic and had extreme trouble breathing, the vet had to feed oxygen through a throat cut, his owner was a heavy smoker and you could smell the smoke on the cat.
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Karen - 04 Nov 2005 14:20 GMT >>> People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic >>> fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > feed oxygen through a throat cut, his owner was a heavy smoker and you > could smell the smoke on the cat. It seems Siamese and Siamese mixes are also prone. Pearl is to the point where we can put the mask and spacer on and she tolerates it pretty well. By Sunday I plan to add the meds. The light is really beginning to dawn that mask=turkey.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 04 Nov 2005 17:48 GMT >Simon was astmatic and had extreme >trouble breathing, the vet had to feed >oxygen through a throat cut, his owner >was a heavy smoker and you could smell >the smoke on the cat. That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are selfish and only care about their own gratification. The cat gets asthma, but they keep puffing away, oblivious to the serious harm they are inflicting, and the animals suffer. I imagine they think it's ok to blow smoke in a baby's face too.
Besides the risk of developing asthma, there was a study that showed cats exposed to secondhand smoke also had a greatly increased risk of developing lymphoma. So first they can't breathe, then they die from cancer. All because of selfish humans.
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Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 22:06 GMT > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Megan That's ridiculous. Are you saying that cats who belong to smokers are dying in droves through lymphoma caused by smoking? I don't think so.
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Karen - 04 Nov 2005 22:15 GMT > > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme > >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read some alarming statistics about stomach lymphoma in cats and second hand smoke. It's pretty clear. I blame myself for Grant's death. I began smoking outside immediately. I have cut WAY back and should be able to quit this winter. Megan can jump all over me if she wants. I don't think I was being a jerk or whatever but sometimes we just don't believe things until it happens to us. It's pretty recent but there is a clear correlation between that specific lymphoma in cats and smoke exposure.
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 22:31 GMT >> > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme >> >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > there is a clear correlation between that specific lymphoma in cats and > smoke exposure. Point me towards the statistics, please.
Tweed
Karen - 04 Nov 2005 23:57 GMT http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/156/3/268
> >> > >Simon was astmatic and had extreme > >> >>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Tweed zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 01:39 GMT >I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >immediately. I have cut WAY back and >should be able to quit this winter. Good for you. If you plan on quitting why not just do it? There was a news piece on last night on one of the cable news channels that said that smokers trying to quit are much more successful when they get help instaed of doing it by themselves.They gave out a number of an organization that has been pretty successful helping people to quit 1-800-QUIT-NOW
>Megan can jump all over me if she wants. I'm not going to do that because when you came to that realization you immediately made changes with the cats health in mind, but I am curious and would like to ask what your thought process was in terms of smoking around the cats? I mean, it's been well known for years that second hand smoke is quite harmful and I see you as someone who wouldn't even consider smoking around a little baby, so why the cats?
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Karen - 05 Nov 2005 02:41 GMT >> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >> some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Megan I don't know. Quite literally. And quitting isn't as easy as you think. I also eat too much. I constantly struggle with eating the wrong things too. I know I shouldn't. I know it's very bad. Some times I do well, other times, I eat something that I just get mad at myself over later. In general, I keep it in check. I'm only slightly overweight, but I could be hugely overweight. And like that, I just smoked without thinking about it much. I don't believe I'm as physically adicted as some. I can go fairly long periods without. Longer, now that I only smoke outside. Talking about it makes it worse however. Then I imediately want to. And if anyone tells me I shouldn't, boom. I want one. If I don't think about then I don't. Go figure. I guess I'm bull headed or something. I wish I could just program flaws and vices off but I can't, so I work at it. I'll get there with both things.
MaryL - 05 Nov 2005 03:08 GMT >>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >>> some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > flaws and vices off but I can't, so I work at it. I'll get there with both > things. Karen,
My brother was a chain smoker. He had smoked for years and was seldom without a cigarette. He was considerat about it and would go outside to smoke. If he was driving, he would stop every hour or so to smoke so he wouldn't fog up the car for the rest of us. He tried many times to stop and at one time thought that it was simply impossible. However, as I said in another message, he finally quit and hasn't smoked for almost 9 years. The "cure" for him was a prescription medication called Zyban. It's also an antidepressant. You might want to ask your doctor about it.
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Adrian - 05 Nov 2005 11:36 GMT >>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >>>> some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > MaryL Different things work for different people. I tried Zyban at one time, it didn't help me. What finally helped was nicotine lozenges and the fact I didn't want to harm the cats, I never really cared about my own health. It's four years almost to the day since my last cigarette, before that I smoked as much as 80 per day.
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Karen - 05 Nov 2005 19:58 GMT >>>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >>>>> some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > four years almost to the day since my last cigarette, before that I smoked > as much as 80 per day. Wow. I don't feel as bad now. I never got much above a pack and now am around 1/2 pack. Wow. I'm really glad you stopped that.
Adrian - 05 Nov 2005 20:37 GMT >>>>>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >>>>>> some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > Wow. I don't feel as bad now. I never got much above a pack and now am > around 1/2 pack. Wow. I'm really glad you stopped that. Another thing that helps me to stay off them is knowing that I spent more than $100,000.00 on cigarettes.
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MaryL - 05 Nov 2005 20:42 GMT > Another thing that helps me to stay off them is knowing that I spent more > than $100,000.00 on cigarettes. Yes, a cigarette habit can be remarkably expensive in both money and health. When my brother quit, he opened a separate account and started to deposit (and later invest) everything that he once would have spent on cigarettes. It has been about 9 years since he smoked, and he recently bought a new car with the money he saved!
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Jo Firey - 05 Nov 2005 04:06 GMT >>> I hate to say it, Tweed, but I've read >>> some alarming statistics about stomach [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> immediately. I have cut WAY back and >>> should be able to quit this winter.
> I don't know. Quite literally. And quitting isn't as easy as you think. I > also eat too much. I constantly struggle with eating the wrong things too. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > flaws and vices off but I can't, so I work at it. I'll get there with both > things. It sound to me like you are on the right track. I quit kind of the same way. I never smoked in my car, because it makes the car stink. Even to a smoker. Couldn't smoke at home or I would have found myself homeless. Seriously I wouldn't have dreamed of smoking in my parents home, never did when I had my own place and then married a non smoker. I was still managing to smoke a lot at work - two jobs. But when we moved across the country I quit. Much easier because we were in the car most of the time driving. No temptation there. Or my husband and I were together with friends or family, etc. Only severe temptation was I really missed having a cigarette with a cup of coffee after a meal.
Hope your winter is cold and nasty enough outdoors to give you a little extra push. (And nice and warm and cozy inside)
Jo
Brandy Alexandre - 04 Nov 2005 22:43 GMT Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> >Simon was astmatic and had extreme >>>trouble breathing, the vet had to feed [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and humans, for that matter), and that they will die prematurely. Kami gets ousted from the area when I use hairspray or do my nails. Can't imagine smoking on a pet, asthma or not.
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Joe Canuck - 04 Nov 2005 23:06 GMT Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and > humans, for that matter), Hmm, very interesting statement that appears to indicate kids are not humans.
Given that I have viewed your expression of dislike for kids, I'm not surprised you have stooped to this level of contempt.
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 23:40 GMT > Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Tweed
> Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and > humans, for that matter), and that they will die prematurely. Kami > gets ousted from the area when I use hairspray or do my nails. > Can't imagine smoking on a pet, asthma or not. Now where did I say I smoked around kids and pets? Or even if I smoked at all? You are making an assumption here. Can't imagine having to oust my cats to use hairspray. Is that worse than smoking in their airspace? My nails are natural btw.
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 01:28 GMT Tweed wrote:
>Now where did I say I smoked around >kids and pets? Or even if I smoked at >all? You are making an assumption here. You're assuming Brandy made an assumption. You are wrong. She didn't write anything that stated or implied that you smoked. All she said was accept the fact that it's wrong to smoke around kids, pets, and humans (I think she may have meant to write adults). That's not an accusation or an implication. It was a simple statement. For the record, since you are being so defensive, do you smoke?
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Joe Canuck - 05 Nov 2005 01:49 GMT > Tweed wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > accept the fact that it's wrong to smoke around kids, pets, and humans > (I think she may have meant to write adults). Now you'd be making an assumption. 8-)
Naturally, Brandy seeing the possibilities here will come to your rescue and agree that that was what she meant.
Funny how hindsight is 20/20. :-D
> That's not an accusation > or an implication. It was a simple statement. For the record, since you [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > - W.H. Murray > Christina Websell - 06 Nov 2005 22:27 GMT Tweed wrote:
>Now where did I say I smoked around >kids and pets? Or even if I smoked at >all? You are making an assumption here. You're assuming Brandy made an assumption. You are wrong. She didn't write anything that stated or implied that you smoked. All she said was accept the fact that it's wrong to smoke around kids, pets, and humans (I think she may have meant to write adults). That's not an accusation or an implication. It was a simple statement. For the record, since you are being so defensive, do you smoke?
Megan
What I am being defensive about is the prescriptiveness about who/who not deserves to adopt a cat which is in great need of a home. Someone whose house is dusty is apparently not fit, nor smokes etc. My point is that if you get too particular about good homes that are offered for a cat that is likely to be euthanised...well, you get my drift.
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Brandy Alexandre - 05 Nov 2005 02:44 GMT Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> Just accept that it's wrong to smoke around kids and pets (and >> humans, for that matter), and that they will die prematurely. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tweed I didn't say you did. I was opining on the subject and made absolutely no accusations of anything against anyone except the collective smokers with pets. But I do think that hairspray can be as bad, or worse, than smoke in a cat with respiratory disease. I know that sometimes even after I've held my breath and spray, I will taste it in the back of my throat even though I thought the spray had settle. I can't get Kami to hold her breath, so she has to leave.
Actually, she's used to the routine. I sound of me picking up the can is like the bell to leave the bathroom for a bit. And when I do my nails, she just has to see the box come out and she leaves voluntarily.
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 01:22 GMT Tweed wrote:
>That's ridiculous. Are you saying that >cats who belong to smokers are dying in >droves through lymphoma caused by >smoking? The AVMA and Tuft's University are saying it looks that way. Considering the number of smokers and the number of cats likely owned by them, with a 2-4x increased risk of cancer I'd say that yes, droves of cats are dying because of their selfish, irresponsible humans.
From Tuft's : http://enews.tufts.edu/printerversion/080102PetsAndSmoke.htm
Smokers Put Pets At Risk
In a first-of-its-kind study, researchers from Tufts report a link between second-hand smoke and cancer in cats. No. Grafton, Mass. [08.01.02] -- Providing more scientific evidence about the deadly effects of second-hand smoke, a new study from Tufts reports that cats living in homes with smokers are more than twice as likely than other cats to acquire feline lymphoma cancer. The research - which is the first of its kind - alters current views on the causes of lymphoma in cats and may help scientists better understand the causes of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in humans. "It has long been believed that the major cause of feline lymphoma was feline leukemia virus," Tufts' Dr. Antony Moore said in a report in Science Daily. "The results of our study clearly indicate that exposure to environmental factors such as second-hand tobacco smoke has devastating consequences for cats because it significantly increases their likelihood of contracting lymphoma." The evidence - reported by researchers at Tufts' School of Veterinary Medicine and the University of Massachusetts at Amherst - paints a dramatic picture of the risks associated with second-hand smoke. "They found that, adjusting for age and other factors, cats exposed to secondhand smoke had more than double the risk of acquiring the disease," reported the Associated Press. "In households where they were exposed five years or more, cats had more than triple the risk. In a two-smoker household, the risk went up by a factor of four." In some cases, cats were at higher risk for cancer than humans living in the same home. "Exposure levels in cats continuously kept indoors may actually be higher than those of human household members, who often spend extended periods of time outside their homes," reported Science Daily. "Cats become exposed by inhaling the smoke or by digesting it when they groom themselves and lick particulate matter off their fur." Based on their findings with cats, the Tufts researchers believe their work may provide new evidence that second-hand smoke and lymphoma in humans are linked. "Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in humans, like feline lymphoma, is a cancer that starts in lymph tissue and can spread to other organs," reported USA Today. "The new study suggests that components of tobacco smoke have a cancerous effect on lymphoid tissue, researchers say." Moore also hopes the findings provide another compelling reason to quit smoking. "I think there's a lot of people who might not quit smoking for themselves or their family," Moore said in the Associated Press report, which was published in newspapers around the country. "But they might for their cats."
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Diane - 05 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT > That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think > it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are > selfish and only care about their own gratification. The cat gets > asthma, but they keep puffing away, oblivious to the serious harm they > are inflicting, and the animals suffer. I imagine they think it's ok to > blow smoke in a baby's face too. What amazes me are people with asthma who smoke.
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Jo Firey - 05 Nov 2005 04:09 GMT >> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think >> it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What amazes me are people with asthma who smoke. And emphysema, and lung cancer, etc.
It only shows that you have no concept of the power of addiction or of just how addicting nicotine is for most smokers.
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Rhonda - 05 Nov 2005 07:47 GMT > And emphysema, and lung cancer, etc. > > It only shows that you have no concept of the power of addiction or of just > how addicting nicotine is for most smokers. How my sig. other quit was to develop an aneurysm of the aorta. Nothing like a good ol' helicopter airlift and 10-hour surgery to make you rethink the importance of cigarettes in your life!
He said later, the hardest part about quitting was not the nicotine addiction, which was gone in the first week or so. The hardest part was the habit itself -- the plain enjoyment and relaxation he felt while smoking. He really missed all of that.
I'm thankful that I have a chocolate addiction instead.
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Marina - 05 Nov 2005 07:53 GMT > How my sig. other quit was to develop an aneurysm of the aorta. Nothing > like a good ol' helicopter airlift and 10-hour surgery to make you > rethink the importance of cigarettes in your life! My way of quitting was effective, too, though I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I had the worst tummy bug for three days, and felt so miserable, I never even thought of lighting a cigarette while it was going on. On the third day, when I felt slightly better, I sat up and lit a cigarette - and only tasted burning paper. My sense of taste was all messed up from all the vomiting. So I took the cigarette from my mouth, looked at it and thought, 'why am I doing this?', put it out and never lit up again. That was 11 years and 8 months ago tomorrow.
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Diane - 05 Nov 2005 17:03 GMT > >> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and think > >> it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It only shows that you have no concept of the power of addiction or of just > how addicting nicotine is for most smokers. It shows how afraid I am of not being able to breathe. I've had an incident where I couldn't breathe for a minute or so, and it was terrifying enough that, no, I can't conceive of anything that would compromise my ability to breathe.
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Brandy Alexandre - 05 Nov 2005 17:20 GMT Diane <delenn@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> >> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat >> >> and think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > terrifying enough that, no, I can't conceive of anything that > would compromise my ability to breathe. So true. I worked for a respiratory supply company and all the gadgets and devices that are out there just so you can take a breath are scary and seems torturous. Compared to the many, many stop smoking products on the market today, why every single person hasn't stopped the ugly, smelly vice is beyond me.
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT >What amazes me are people with >asthma who smoke. The worst thing I ever saw was a woman playing bingo that had an oxygen setup hooked to her wheelchair, with a tube going to her nose, chainsmoking.
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MaryL - 05 Nov 2005 14:57 GMT > >What amazes me are people with >>asthma who smoke. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - W.H. Murray That really *would* be the worst. Not only was she killing herself, but she was also endangering everyone else in the vicinity. She could easily have caused a fire and explosion.
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Adrian - 05 Nov 2005 11:45 GMT >> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and >> think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What amazes me are people with asthma who smoke. I've read before that giving up smoking is harder than coming off heroin. I know how hard it was for me to stop, I'm never suprised when people carry on, even when they know it's killing them. People who have never smoked can have no idea what it's like.
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Jo Firey - 05 Nov 2005 18:36 GMT >>> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and >>> think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > can > have no idea what it's like. Even some who have smoked and quit may well not know. The degree of addiction to nicotine seems to vary by individual.
Even at two packs a day, most of my withdrawal was situational.
Until a really major stress trigger 15 years later caused me to start again for a year.
But I've seen how physically addicted other smokers can be and would hardly judge them based on my own experience.
Jo
Howard C. Berkowitz - 06 Nov 2005 00:07 GMT > >>> That's just heartbreaking. How anyone could do this to a cat and > >>> think it's ok is unfathomable. The truth is though, that some people [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > But I've seen how physically addicted other smokers can be and would hardly > judge them based on my own experience. The addiction physicians I know rate the physical effects of nicotine withdrawal as comparable to that from opioids like heroin, but less than from barbiturate withdrawal. Barbiturate withdrawal, however, is NEVER attempted on an outpatient basis.
There are two (US) FDA-approved drug classes to assist in nicotine withdrawal: nicotine patches/gums/etc. and the atypical antidepressant bupropion. As marketed for nicotine withdrawal, the latter has the trade name Zyban, which is exactly the same drug as the antidepressant Welbutrin, which, in turn, is available much more cheaply as a generic.
These two demonstrably work, and work better in combination. Other drugs, such as clonidine, may also help. Anti-anxiety drugs can have a role. For some individuals, support groups may be useful.
Am I conveying the idea that nicotine withdrawal is a medical challenge? Yes, some people can do it on their own, but there is absolutely no shame or weakness in getting physician assistance.
Karen - 04 Nov 2005 14:17 GMT I believe this to be true. Also our air fresheners, and candles. And not just that, but in apartments, where it's hard to ventilate, even the smoke from frying can be heavy. I know I am also trying to find cleaning alternatives. And you can't necessarily open windows to ventilate because I know earlier this fall just opening the deck door was Bad News for triggering sneezes and coughing. Thank you for the interesting article, Megan.
Christina Websell - 04 Nov 2005 20:58 GMT > People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic > fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > household where people smoke, or where there are other potential > allergens or irritants. <snip>
What a great idea! Apply to a cat charity to adopt. Sorry, no go. Your house is dusty and you have dandruff.. This must be a joke, surely.
Tweed
Annie Wxill - 04 Nov 2005 22:47 GMT ...> This must be a joke, surely.
> Tweed Megan would not joke about this. Annie
Enfilade - 05 Nov 2005 02:37 GMT > People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic > fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing > of a feline companion: If adults choose to smoke, that is their business. But I believe they should smoke outside, so that other beings--whether their kids, their non-smoking family members or their pets--do not have to breathe the noxious fumes.
I am kind of glad that Wayne (the guy who first tamed Smokey) couldn't take him home because Wayne, his wife and his daughter all chainsmoke and his two grandkids both have breathing trouble and are small for their age and sickly, I would presume from living in a house that's hazy everywhere inside from all the smoking going on in it. Wayne is a wonderful guy but gods, the smoke!!!
Poor Smokey. He got his name from hanging out in the smoking pit...well he had to quit smoking when he came to live with me.
--Fil
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 06 Nov 2005 14:48 GMT I'm trying to stop smoking at the moment, and it's hard and I keep falling off the wagon, but I'm determined to keep going. The problem with stopping smoking is that no matter how expensive, how harmful etc that you know it is, until you actually WANT to stop as opposed to know you ought to, you won't do it, IMO it's as simple as that. As far as cats go, I never smoke in front of him, he's got enough health problems as it is, I go outside. However, when I was younger, there was a um certain type of cigarette (if you know what I mean) that I used to smoke occasionally that he actually liked, and would come closer to get a lungful, very strange, it used to make him hungry too, just like humans, and get the catnip bliss out, in fact if we didn't hide it, the green, he would treat it as if it were catnip.
Adrian - 06 Nov 2005 15:11 GMT > I'm trying to stop smoking at the moment, and it's hard and I keep > falling off the wagon, but I'm determined to keep going. The problem [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > too, just like humans, and get the catnip bliss out, in fact if we > didn't hide it, the green, he would treat it as if it were catnip. I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do know if I had just one I'd be back to square one, it's a pity as it means I'll never have another 'certain type of cigarette' oh well. ;-)
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Marina - 06 Nov 2005 16:54 GMT > I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main motivation > was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do know if I had just one > I'd be back to square one, it's a pity as it means I'll never have another > 'certain type of cigarette' oh well. ;-) I'm the same. I know if I had one, I would be back to two packs a day in no time. Fortunately, 'that certain type of cigarette' lost its effect on me long before I quit smoking.
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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 07 Nov 2005 00:42 GMT > > I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main motivation > > was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do know if I had just one [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ > and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki LOL - I know what you mean, but I suppose there are "other" ways of smoking the funny stuff than in cigarettes, I can't though it makes me a bit paranoid now cos it's too strong for me these days, sigh.
Adrian - 07 Nov 2005 10:03 GMT >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > smoking the funny stuff than in cigarettes, I can't though it makes me > a bit paranoid now cos it's too strong for me these days, sigh. Hvae you ever seen the film, Saving Grace? Maybe one day I'll try it as a tea. ;-)
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mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 07 Nov 2005 15:00 GMT > >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main > >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > A House is not a home, without a cat. > http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk No, but I'm watching Weeds at the moment, which I think is hilarious, and quite daring considering. I used to have a plant that I nurtured for years, until some builders that were working for me stripped it bare, I knew, I swear when I came home from work and found not much work had been done and all the biscuits had disappeared...
kilikini - 07 Nov 2005 15:11 GMT > > >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main > > >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > bare, I knew, I swear when I came home from work and found not much > work had been done and all the biscuits had disappeared... Weeds? I've never heard of that movie. When did it come out?
kili
Jo Firey - 07 Nov 2005 20:43 GMT >> > >>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main >> > >>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > kili Its on the pay channels all the time at odd hours. Should be easy to rent.
Jo
Adrian - 07 Nov 2005 15:20 GMT >>>>> I do wish you every success with giving up, as I said, my main >>>>> motivation was the effect on my cats and people arround me. I do [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > bare, I knew, I swear when I came home from work and found not much > work had been done and all the biscuits had disappeared... I don't subscribe to any pay channels, I'll have to wait until that's shown on Sky3.
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Brian Link - 15 Nov 2005 06:44 GMT >People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic >fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing >of a feline companion: <snip>
Yup. If you smoke, just chuck em out into the street, where they can breathe clean, fresh air until being struck by a car or eaten by a coyote.
BLink
MaryL - 19 Nov 2005 03:24 GMT >>People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic >>fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > BLink What a ridiculous comment. You know Megan, so you know this is *not* what she meant.
MaryL
-L. - 15 Nov 2005 10:26 GMT > People that smoke around their cats and force them to inhale those toxic > fumes are irresponsible, ignorant jerks that don't deserve the blessing > of a feline companion: This reminds me of the idiot from another ng who smoked like a chimney and then wondered why her cats were dying from lung tumors. Ironically, her house burned down and sadly her cats did too. -L.
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