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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2005Request from Helen S.
Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. Here's a quote from her email... "Got real problems getting a dentist to do what is needed under a general anaesthetic. Vernon was appalled at the behaviour of the dentist I saw today. Meanwhile thanks to stupid dentist, my jaw continues to fester. As Vernon said, "Now I understand why you have a problem with dentists..." It was so bad today I was reduced to sitting in a car park sobbing my eyeballs out in public ... *embarrassment*" Hugs, CatNipped > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > CatNipped I've no personal experience, but I've heard Hungarian dentists are very good and very reasonably priced.  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk no personal experience, but i do have friends to ask who live near Alicante, southern Spain, if that is of any use? SignatureSandra >Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any >experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. Here's [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >CatNipped Tell Helen we all feel for her. I wish I could help with a dentist recommendation, but I'm in the U.S. Purrs and Hugs, Nan and the furkids A wise man talks because he has something to say; a fool talks because he has to say something. > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. Here's > a quote from her email... Sorry - I've no experience myself to recommend. Would be very wary of long-distance dental treatment. Personally I would choose to travel elsewhere in the UK before seeking foreign treatment? After that, I believe Poland is supposed to be a good source of well qualified dentists - many of whom are coming here to work. Many sympathies to her, and Vernon, nonetheless.... This link might be useful (watch the line wrap): http://www.bda-dentistry.org.uk/bdaplus/quicknav_bdaplus.cfm?PID=weblink s.cfm&CONTENTID=903 Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CatNipped There are some dentists that specialise in dental-phobic patients. Helen's local health authority should be able to lead her towards them without her having to go abroad. Her own doctor might even know how to refer her for treatment that she can tolerate. My heart goes out to her. I have a problem at the dentist too. I am not afraid of any pain but I heave and retch all the time instruments are in my mouth and the dentists don't like it and get annoyed. I last went around 2 years ago because there was what I thought was a growth on my gum. I hadn't previously gone for 15 years or so. It turned out to be something called a "gum tag", nothing to worry about. The dentist was quite skilled at examining my mouth while it was only slightly open, as opening it wide with mirrors in etc makes me retch uncontrollably. The estimate for putting my teeth right was £70. Not too bad but I thought I'd leave it until another day. I can hardly believe that the estimate for putting Ginger-Lyn's teeth right was so much that she can't afford it. Does your USA health system stink or what? It seems to me that people who are in the most need through low income cannot get proper health care if what I've read on this group is representative. I hear of people not in work in the USA who have no health insurance and need medication relying on their doctors to give them sample meds from drug representatives otherwise go without. That's disgusting. Appalling. Shaming for those who let it happen. Here in the UK, people in work pay (mine is $100+ per month) toward their medical care and if they ever need sick pay etc. Those who are in more unfortunate circumstances and unable to pay in through low income still get free healthcare. That's how it should be, IMO. Tweed > > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > low income still get free healthcare. That's how it should be, IMO. > Tweed Well, I see problems with *both* systems... According to your own accounts you've had problems with not getting proper pain management during recovery from major surgery. You've also said you have long, long waits to get an appointment to see a doctor and long, long waits in waiting rooms to get emergency treatment (requiring you to get medical advice from a pharmacist). Helen is having a problem finding a dentist who will treat her humanely. Over on this side of the pond there are problems with low-income families not having the same standard of medical and dental care as wealthier people (although we do have Medi-care and Medi-caid to provide for those people). [Actually it's probably more problematic for middle-income people who don't qualify for either of those publicly-funded programs, but still can't afford huge insurance premiums or uncovered procedures.] And publicly-funded hospitals here are legally required to treat patients who can not afford to pay. Given a choice between the two, however, I think I'd take competent and skilled (and painless!!!) medical treatment over free medical treatment. Hugs, CatNipped >> > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any >> > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > According to your own accounts you've had problems with not getting proper > pain management during recovery from major surgery. That's true. The pain management was rubbish. You've also said you > have long, long waits to get an appointment to see a doctor In the main, that's true also. But if I really insisted it was an emergency they are obliged to see me the same day. and long, long > waits in waiting rooms to get emergency treatment (requiring you to get > medical advice from a pharmacist). It's an idea that my doctors have decided upon to protect them from patients who can easily self-medicate from the pharmacy and get well without bothering the doctor. I would not be denied an appointment with my doctor if I thought it was really necessary. My doctor saved my life in April by admitting me to hospital within half an hour of seeing him. My knee problem seems to be responding to the pharmacist's advice. > Helen is having a problem finding a > dentist who will treat her humanely. Yes. I can sympathasise with this. > Over on this side of the pond there are problems with low-income families > not having the same standard of medical and dental care as wealthier [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Given a choice between the two, however, I think I'd take competent and > skilled (and painless!!!) medical treatment over free medical treatment. Are you suggesting that free medical treatment is inferior in the competent, skilled and painless department?? Tweed > >> > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > >> > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > Tweed Probably not on the whole, but just going by hearsay evidence it would seem so. However, there is enough anecdotal evidence of incompetence here in to US to believe that of our healthcare too. It probably all comes down to the luck of the draw and the individual doctor/institution you're dealing with. Hugs, CatNipped >There are some dentists that specialise in dental-phobic patients. Helen's >local health authority should be able to lead her towards them without her [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >low income still get free healthcare. That's how it should be, IMO. >Tweed Poor Helen, first of all. I hope she can find some help,and it's good to know the UK also has specialists in dental phobia. The USA health care system is horrible. The HMOs own it these days, if you have insurance. And that's the really sad thing. Insurance is so expensive, and the co-pays are getting worse and worse, that the working poor, like us, are to the point where we can't afford to get things done, or even get meds. Some of my doctors are giving *me* samples, because the co-pays on the medications are so high. I am on 7 meds, and DH is on 4. That's 11 meds together, with an average cost of maybe $25-30 each med. Who can afford that??? And when he was in the hospital, we have a $250 co-pay if they admit you, which they did. Twice. So that's $500 for his two hospital stays, and close to $200 ($15 co-pay per day) for his outpatient program. The dental insurance is horrnedous. Delta Dental, which is what most people in the US have, pays a maximum of $1200 PER YEAR. Period. So if you need more than that, you're stuck. I just got a notice from them (two, actually), and they have changed policies again, without me knowing anything about it. They are refusing to cover the x-rays I had done, because they will only cover that once every *3* years now. Doesn't matter that huge amounts of my teeth changed in the two years since I had the last x-ray, apparently. And they are only covering 80% of the dental visit, so I owe on that, too. I am furious. And there is little I can do about it. Okay, I will stop ranting now. It's been a long week, and it is a bad day. Grrrrr. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > eyeballs > out in public ... *embarrassment*" Does Helen have any helath insurance or travel insurance, or indeed, have an American Express card? If so, I'd recommend that she contacts one of those and see who they reccomend. I'll give my mother a call later to ask who she saw when she was on holidays, but if you can get there (Europe bein ga *very* big place) I"d recommend the Scandinavian countries simply because they have univerrsal health care and the huighest standard of living. Failing that, the 'richer' EU countries woudl pobably b better than the poorer ones in general. But htere are going to be great dentists and dodgy dentists anywher eyou go. Poor lass - I'm not a fan of dentists either. Yowie > I'll give my mother a call later to ask who she saw when she was on > holidays, but if you can get there (Europe bein ga *very* big place) I"d > recommend the Scandinavian countries simply because they have univerrsal > health care and the huighest standard of living. I would recommend my dentist here in Helsinki, but she has a private practice and those are pretty expensive. She's wonderful, though. Very into pain and fear management. The public (free) dentists are overloaded with work, so she might have a problem getting an appointment. I know many Finns go over the gulf to Estonia for medical treatment, it costs a fraction of ours even if you see a private doctor/dentist. SignatureMarina, Frank, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki I do hope a dentist is found who will help Helen and use general anaesthetic. Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes, Polonca and Soncek > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. Here's [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped Every dentist I've ever been to here in Thailand has been beyond awesome. And they have all the latest, newest equipment in ultra modern facilities. If Helen wants to combine her dental treatment with a tropical vacation, I'd recommend for her to come here and visit me :-) -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > CatNipped I will have to agree with that I took a vacation there awhile ago. Decide to check out a vet hospital that was down the street from the hotel. They had more new technology than a human hospital and was ultra clean. And the courtesy that they showed was so great being an american I expected to cold shoulder but they made me feel at home and gave me a tour. Every employee was proud to be there and I mean proud, a smile and a hello greeted me at every corner. I got to watch an operation to clean up an abscess on a cat's foot. I thought I was in a hospital operating room. I wish the US would take some examples from that culture we need a good kick in the a.s to set us straight in the medical field and among other things > Helen S. has asked me to ask any Brits on the group is they had any > experience in getting dental work done abroad in other EU countries. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > eyeballs > out in public ... *embarrassment*" I'm sure you have to have treatment in hospital now if you need/want general anaesthetic. There is a dental teaching hospital in Grey's Inn Road in London (a friend was sent there when a local dentist made a mess of her treatment and left her in pain with an infected jaw), Helen should ask her gp to refer her asap. Sending gentle hugs from a fellow dental phobic. {{{{{{{{Helen}}}}}}} SignatureShirley http://community.webshots.com/user/shirleycatuk > Hugs, > > CatNipped Here is the link to the hospital I mentioned in my other post. http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/Our+hospitals/Eastman+Dental+Hospital.htm SignatureShirley http://community.webshots.com/user/shirleycatuk |
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