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From: T...@dog-play.com
Date: 25 Oct 2005 21:49:52 GMT
Subject: OT: Two right ears

So I got this request for a custom product.  She sent me pictures that
were too small but I worked with them.  The first image I did was this

http://zoom.cafepress.com/4/9170544_zoom.jpg

She writes back and asks if can I fix the ear fringe on
Lucky, because it actually goes all the way down the edge of the
ear but it doesn't show that way on the left in the picture.

So I did this one

http://zoom.cafepress.com/2/9199722_zoom.jpg

Do you suppose anyone will notice that Lucky has two right ears?

--
Diane Blackman
        There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence
        while preaching with violent words.
http://dog-play.com/    http://dogplayshops.com/

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,

TOTE@dog-play.com wrote:

Till you and your NETWORKING Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards And Active Acute Long Term Incurable
MENTAL CASES hurt intimidate and murder them for PROFIT.

In fact, it AIN'T NO PROBLEM at all, as so many of
your own NETWORKING BUDDIES got PUPPYS FOR SALE while
they MURDER innocent critters to make room for their
own puppy sales..

ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED
BY ABUSE as you and your mentally ill dog abusing
profiteers teach.

Your NETWORKING PALS MURDER INNOCENT DOGS in shelters
to MAKE ROOM for their PUPPY SALES, Master Of Deception
blankman. IN FACT, was it NOT for your SHELTER and RESCUE
pals we wouldn't be MURDERIN 5 million dogs a year for PROFIT.

Pssst? It AIN'T Jason MURDERIN DOGS, Master Of
Deception blankman, it's YOUR OWN PERSONAL REAL
LIFE DOG ABUSING PALS who GET PAID TO MURDER them.

You can't post your lies here nomore.

That's a load of NETWORKING CRAPOLA.

Dogs DON'T GO BAD they're MADE BAD by the methods
you and your NETWORK of ETHICKAL BREEDERS and
RESCUERS teach.

That's ABSURD. They want another dog and should get anotherWON.

Then your NETWORKING VET will MAKE MORE MONEY.

The bitches owner will ante up.

With all your NETWORKING perhaps you'll recommend
some charitable veterinarians in his area?

And if the moon is made of green cheese he
can feed them cheese, Master Of Deception
blankman.

The puppys will be protected till a couple
weeks after their weaned.

That's not exactly what Jason was sayin.

You mean, that PILE of DEAD DOGS your NETWORKING PALS MURDER.

No. Those puppys GET THROWN OUT of their houses
because mental cases like you and your SHELTER /
RESCUE / ETHICKAL BREEDING / TRAINING NETWORKING
GROUP HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER them for PROFIT.

YOU are the PROBLEM, not folks like Jason.

Only if you're a ETHICKAL BREEDER.

INDEED. It's YOU and YOUR NETWORK of DOG ABUSING
MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent
critters and LIE about it, Master Of Deception blankman.
Here's YOUR OWN PERSONAL REAL LIFE SHELTER / RESCUE
TRAINING PAL:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.
     It's a safety necessity," lynn k.

I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.  I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."

Lynn K. wrote:

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

-------------------

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily

Oh? You mean, like THIS WON?:

"You Lying Sack Of Dung. When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility
for making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

------------------

                      WORDS OF WISDOM
                from our own Lynn Kosmakos
         1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                     For Twenty Years

      I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

 "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
 requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
 day.

 I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
 more, while happily sharing pertinent information
 I have learned.  But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
 I would hope that every other reader of this group
 would be rightfully outraged."

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the
  easily understood rules and contributing to in
  constructive ways."

  Lynn K.

 "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
 - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
 a comment she made about scarey side effects of
 Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on it, I think
 I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
 any side effect is far less frightening than the
 very real dangers of life without it."

 Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

Oh, THAT'S EZ! It's because you'll DO and SAY ANY THING
to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE and
MURDER innocent critters FOR PROFIT.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Sez you? You're a dog abusing mental case.

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,

TOTE@dog-play.com wrote:

That WOULD be VERY UNFORTUNATE, knowin HOWE
SOME of these "SHELTERS" and "RESCUES" work.

HERE'S YOUR OWN PERSONAL REAL LIFE PAL:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

Well, we wouldn't tolerate THAT here abHOWETS:

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

------------------------------­---

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

 Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

------------------------------­------------

THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT...

A dog is a dog.

Well THAT only happens if the critter was UNFIT or mishandled.

You mean those shelters you and your PERSONAL REAL
LIFE PAL lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" and racetrack silly
and tara o. aka tee are involved in NETWORKIN, Master
Of Deception blankman?:

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," racetrack silly.

That so?

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

Yeah. You and your "SHELTER / RESCUE" pals GET PAID
to TAKE THEM IN on accHOWENT of they don't know HOWE
to teach folks to rehabilitate their own dogs and
SELL THEM to folks who can tolerate or jerk choke
and shock the dog enough to make them LOVE their
new HOWESES, isn't that correct, Master Of Deception
blankman.

No, the PROBLEM with the SHELTERS is the MENTAL
CASES like your personal real life pals who HURT
INTIMDIDATE and MURDER innocent dumb critters and
LIE abHOWET IT.

LIKE THIS:

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

INDEEDY. Like Boxer Rescue Of N.C.. Your pal tara o.
aka tee MURDERED her own Boxer Rescue dog Summer on
accHOWENT Of she couldn't train IT and she's got the
SAME PROBLEM with her REPLACEMENT Boxer Rescue Dog.

Seems you RESCUE and SHELTER folks are hurtin
intimidating and MURDERIN dogs and LYIN abHOWET it.

Well THAT AIN'T TRUE, Master Of Deception blankman
given that MOST dogs are DUMPED for behavior problems
caused by abusing dogs JUST LIKE HOWE your SHELTER
and RESCUE PALS got a BAD HABIT of doin...

Like ~emily, Master Of Deception blankman?

I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

What PROTECTS the dogs from your DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASE SHELTER PALS Master Of Deception blankman?

Your last DEAD DOG DIED from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDDROME <{); ~ ) >

ALL TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

You mean jerking choking shocking bribing beating
crating intimidating don't INFLUENCE RISKS? Here's
HOWER GREY HOWEND RESCUE DOG LOVER:

Nope.  No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63h8ekqiforibadrff2@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-righteous,
this post shows and absence of knowledge in the differences
in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps a lack of ability to perceive
same.  The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to whom
corrections and discomfort, even pain, were unimportant does
not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about dogs
as you think you do, and you surely don't know a damn
thing about  Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with one
of her housemates; that dog had no fear or anything,
and pain incurred during a fight meant nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories.  The fact that you,
Alison, continue to say things to people such as what
you said to Theresa about causing her dog to suffer
(at least I guess that's what you meant by "you cause
your dog suffers" - - must be the King's English you
guys talk about over there) means that you are an
ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person who is not worth
further notice.
        Sally Hennessey

Yeah? HOWE COME your pals HURT THEM?

No, you AIN'T blamin the DOG noMOORE you freakin mental case.

YOUR PALS ABUSE THEM.

Most of them are THERE on accHOWENT of they been MISHANDLED>

Well you SCAM ARTIST DHOWEBLE DIP comin an goin
hand over fist you GET PAID to TAKE IN dogs and
you GET PAID TO SELL DOGS... for a WEE BIT OF MONEY.

And you GET PAID TO MURDER DOGS.

That so? You mean on accHOWENT of they wasn't
under the GUIDANCE of EXXXPERTS like you and
tara o. aka tee and racetrack silly and lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn or your punk thug coward
mental case pal lying frosty dahl who DISCOVERED
CANIBALISM in her own dogs when she LEFT a new
mom unatended so she could MAKE MONEY?

We KNOW SOMEWON IS LYIN.

Let's take a LOOK at who is EVALUATING and TRAINING
and HEELPING those DESPERATE critters, shall we?

You mean like tara o. aka tee's current and last
DEAD Boxer Rescue dog and racetrack silly's DEAd
RESCUE DOG SHE MURDERED?

Your pals HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER DOGS AND LIE
abHOWET IT as YOU JUST SEEN...

We're makin a start on that right here.

We'll WIZE THEM UP. Here's your personal real life
pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's REAL LIFE PARTNER
IN RESCUE:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

LET'S PREY.

Like ~emily and kwbrown and dianne s?

INDEED. It's ALL in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives.

Yeah? Your pals are dog abusers and liars and
MENTAL CASES by their own quoted case histories.

LIKE THIS:

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

THAT'S INSANE, AIN'T IT.

HERE'S HOWE COME:

                      WORDS OF WISDOM
                from our own Lynn Kosmakos
       1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
                     For Twenty Years

          I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

 "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
 requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
 day.

 I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
 more, while happily sharing pertinent information
 I have learned.  But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
 I would hope that every other reader of this group
 would be rightfully outraged."

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the
  easily understood rules and contributing to in
  constructive ways."

  Lynn K.

---------------------------

SEE? SEE? SEE?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

YOU GOT BALLS!

YOUR PALS MURDER DOGS.

Oh, we wouldn't wanna hurt noWON's feelins.

That's what your pals do with the RESCUE
dogs the FOSTER.

REMEBER, Master Of Deception blankman?:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

You mean like tara o. aka tee's daughter who's
takin ANTI PSYCHOTIC DRUGS since first grade
on accHOWENT of her BOXER RESCUE MOMMY MURDERED
her own DEAD DOG on accHOWET of she couldn't
stop jerking choking crating spraying aversives
in her face and shocking and MURDERIN IT?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!

Most of you MENTAL CASES HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER
dogs and LIE abHOWET it and BLAME the DOG.

What's WRONG with AUCTIONS?

You're only WORRIED abHOWET COMPETITION.

THEY SELL CRITTERS YOU WANT TO SELL IN YOUR NETWORKIN BUSINESS.

Whatever. Let's get to the REAL PROBLEM. YOU.

Yeah, JUST DISREGARD THE QUOTED ABUSES AND LIES.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

The department of agriculture does a FINE job
regulating AUCTIONS and interstate shipment of
critters, Master Of Deception blankman.

Like all them DEAD DOGS your PALS enterTRAINED TO DEATH.

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Like LIES ABUSE and MENTAL ILLNESS.

PROBLEMO, eh?

That so?

Those are ALL VASTLY GREATER INFLUENCED BY APUPRIATE HANDLING
TENDER LOVING CARE and FRESH HEELTHFUL DIET than your BUNK.

You mean descritptions by your EXXXPERT ETHICKAL BREEDER?

And that's the shootin match, Master Of Dceptin blankman.

Sez you? You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Sez you and your ETHICKAL PALS.

Well then HOWE COME your NETWORKING pal dianne s
who SELLS PUPPIES ON THE NET, is "BREEDING UP" for
BETTER SHOULDER HEAD NECK STANCE, and BRED to an
"unproven" untitled un EVERY THING puppy mill stud?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

YOU'RE REPEATIN YOURSELF AGAIN.

You mean like a SAFE HOWES for dogs?:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
------------------------------­---

From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

 Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
 it  clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
 misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
 of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

 I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
 persistant, it  can be appropriate to take hold of the
 loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
 shake to the *skin*".

 Janet's not talking about actually shaking
 the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
 abusive."

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:15:07 -0400
Subject: Re: oops another puppy wizzard question [Jerry]

On 10 Jul 2003 17:28:40 GMT, Dimpled Chad
<dimpl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I agree.   Whether or not Jerry is mentally ill or just a giant
asshat, it's mighty annoying, to say the least, when he pulls up posts
from 3 years ago and replies to them.  It's way beyond annoying (to
me) when he makes inane statements about all dogs being alike, all
behavior problems being caused by mishandling, health problems and
illnesses being caused by stress which is caused by choke collars,
etc.  I don't want to see that stuff, or even have to wade through it,
and I don't want to see responses to it.  People who want to read it
are welcome to it.  I choose to killfile it, along with anyone who
doesn't want to use the tag.  I don't see it as a dictatorship, and I
certainly don't belong to any clique or club.  It just makes life here
a little easier.

Mustang Sally

==========================

Looks like you are the bum interested in PROFIT
MOORE than the WELFARE of innocent dumb critters
your SHELTER RESCUE PROFITEERS HURT INTIMDIATE
and MURDER, Master Of Deception blankman.

You mean anyHOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.

You mean the lyin dog abusing punk thug coward mental
cases you call ETHICKAL breeders shelter rescue and
foster care dog lovers, Master Of Deception blankman?

You mean LIKE THIS?:

"I  do not own an aggressive dog.  If I did, I'd put
a bullet in it's head.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

I compete where there is frequently no fences,
and dogs are competing in adjoining rings.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

Whatever good I am able to do for these beloved dogs
will backfire if one of mine tears up or eats a fluffybutt.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

I take that responsibility VERY seriously.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

Until I am confident that *I* own that drive,
she will not be brought out.  Period.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

I TRAIN dogs.  I train in agility, obedience, and earth dog.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

If you'll read my sig *this* time, the titles you
see are behavior certificates, and agility and earth
dog titles.

My BEST agility dog has been in training for damned
near 2 years, and still hasn't trialed, due to her
intense prey drive.

I'm pulled by the young adults with TONS of
performance potential."

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHA­HAAAA!!!

The CAUSE is YOU and YOUR PALS who HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET IT for PROFIT.

     Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster Care Givers Weekend!

De Plane! De Plane Boss! De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh shadddup Tatoo you skeevy little hype. That damned
puddle jumper SHOWES up here abHOWETS EVERY weekend. You
can HEAR if from MILES away carrying HOWER auspiciHOWES
guests and a WEE BIT OF MONEY for HOWER coffers.

Fortunately this weekend's visitors are FLUSH with OTHER
PEOPLE'S hard earned dough so it'll be EZ to fleece them
DHOWEN like spring lambs <{); ~ ) >.

De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh Tatoo, PLEASE, you're giving Mr. Roarke a freakin
headache. Chill HOWET you wretched little cuss or we
may have to do some OBEDIENCE DRILLS with you.

O.K. Boss, I'm SORRY I'm SORRY I'm SORRY Boss. Honest.
HOWE abHOWET I go get some refreshements for HOWER guests?

No Tattoo. These are SPECIAL guests, they're HOWER RESCUE
and SHELTER SAVIOURS. They have SPECIAL needs requiring
individual condiditions, shall we say, SACRIFICES, to make.

This is going to be a VERY SPECIAL weekend, Tatoo.

Have you finished preparing quarters for HOWER guests
Tatoo? They'll be VERY SLEEPY from their medications
when they arrive and will no DHOWET be looking forward
to some rest in their rooms.

Si, Boss. Si. I've had special boxes tailor made to fit
each individual as you sez according to their measurements.
Boss? Boss? Are you SHORE they LIKE sleeping in little boxes?

But of CURSE, Tattoo. You'll NOTICE they NEVER MESS in them.
They ONLY tend to their own personal needs while walking on
leash or in the group play pen dragging their leashes behind
them in case they need some corrections. You'll see, Tattoo.
Very special guests, you'll see... you'll see.

Boss! Boss! Here they come! Here they come! Here they come!

Oh STUFF IT Tattoo. Go grab a leash and pronged spiked
pinch choke collar and COME WITH ME, I'll need you in
case any of them become DOMINANT and try to hurt each other.

Better go back and grab that shock collar as well, Tattoo,
can't take too many chances when 'LIVES DEPEND ON US to SAVE
THEM', eh Tattoo?

But Boss! Boss! Do you REALLY THINK locking them in
small boxes and jerking choking and shocking them is
gonna SAVE THEIR LIVES?

Nooo, Tattoo. It'll teach them to RESPECT HOWER AUTHORITY.

WE will SAVE THE LIVES, Tattoo... just you and Mr. Roarke.

TRUST ME, Tattoo. This is gonna be a VERY SPECIAL weekend
for HOWER Shelter and Rescue Dog Lovers, Tattoo <{); ~ ) >

But Boss? Boss? Boss?

NHOWE WHAT, Tattoo?

You sez these are DOG people? Yet they HAVE NO DOGS
with them? Are they coming on a second plane, Boss?
The Plane! The Plane! The Plane, Boss! The Plane!

No Tattoo, that's the puddle jumper LEAVIN. HOWER
guests have made arrangements for their dogs to
be kept in city P-HOWENDS where they've only got
72 HOWERS to live, GUARANTEEING HOWER guests will
FINISH their Fantasies in a timely manner. O.K.
Tattoo, we've got to take care of HOWER guests,
machnell, machsnell Tattoo.

O.K. O.K. Boss. O.K. O.K.

WELCOME To Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster
Care Givers Weekend! I'm your host Mr. Roarke,
and this is my erstwhile assistant Tattoo. DON'T
LOOK AT HIM, he's VERY SENSITIVE.

But Boss? Boss? I'm NOT sensitive. People ALWAYS
look at me, I LIKE that, Boss. People are NICE.

Shhhh, Tattoo. This is a VERY SPECIAL weekend.
Just do as I've instructed you PLEASE or you'll
BLOW IT and they'll LEAVE us and take their OTHER
PEOPLE'S money with them.

Ohhhh, I see, a SCAM, eh Boss? It's abHOWET time!

What shall I do?

Tattoo? You see that big stupid lookin WON over
there wearing the sneer on her face? THAT'S Master
Of Decepton blankman, WON of the ringleaders. Let's
take her first, but BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's slippery
and dangerHOWES despite that off puttin stupid ignorant
look she's wearing under that sneer. Better go back and
grab that rabies pole, this might be MOORE difficult
than Mr. Roarke thought, just judging by her catatonic
stare right through you despite she was asked not to look.

But Boss? I DON'T MIND her LOOKING!

SHADDDUP Tattoo! We're TRYING to TRAIN them! Just PLAY
ALONG so we can SET HER UP for a CORRECTION. Quick Tattoo,
gimme that shock collar FAST. NHOWE slowly walk arHOWEND
and as she stares at you I'll be able to sneak up behind
her and strap this on her.

Oh? You want the strap on, Boss?

NO Tattoo, THAT'S for malinda. I'm talking abHOWET
strappin on this shock collar while you DISTRACT
her... the SHOCK will be her REWARD for NOT LOOKIN
at you someMOORE. QUICK! Make your move NHOWE, Tattoo!

Boss? Can I have the rabies pole, she looks like a MEAN WON.

Yes Tattoo, it's a familiar tool to her, she'll RESPECT
you for THAT. Go for it, Tattoo, but HURRY PLEASE! HURRY!

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

BARK! ZAP! SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM...
ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM

Date: 2002-08-30 04:24:13 PST
"Susan Fraser" <chinch...@aol.comdog wrote in message
news: 20020208201202.29997.00000402@mb-md.aol.com...

You're full of crap, susan.

"JC" <J...@nowhere.org wrote in messagenews:
cUr17.3891$bs2.550009@news20.bellglobal.com...

A friend of mine told this story about his
experience with a shock-collar:

Jim's sister-in-law had a shock collar she wanted to use
on her dog stop it from barking.

Not being very technical, she brought it over for Jim to
assemble and adjust.

Jim got it all put together and decided to try it on
himself to see which setting  would be most appropriate.

With the collar around his neck, set on minimum, Jim tried
a little bark... woof.

Nothing.... Woof Woof. Nothing....

Bark. Nothing....

Bark Bark.

Nothing...

BARK!

ZAP!

The collar worked!

Unfortunately, the zap was painful enough to make Jim scream
with pain, which the collar interpreted as another bark, which
lead to another ZAP!

Which made Jim scream again...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

Eventually, Jim got the collar off but it never
survived the chance to end up on the dog.

(Names have been changed to protect the stupid) : )

-----------------------

GOOD BOY, Tattoo! O.K., NHOWE INTO the box with her.

But BOSS! BOSS!

BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's been known to escape. Soon
as we get the rest of these Bozo's into their boxes
we'll be able to EAT and have some FUN till it's time
to take them all HOWET for a break and some obedience
drills. You might think this is all abHOWET dominance,
but I can assure you Tatto, IT'S NOT. Don't infer from
that description that force is an intrinsic part of it,
though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

     "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
     Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
     lynn.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
Date: 1999/05/21

I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
recall, even with young puppies.  Let the pup play with
other pups, while on a long line.

Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
of him, then let him go play again.  The reason this works so
well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over.  A very
good thing to learn early.

Timing is critical here, because what you want
is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
start, but still have time to give the command
and have him decide to come back to you before
he hits the end of the long line.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
work with her.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting".  Or if he
suddenly decides that he can release himself from
a down/stay after being solid at it for 5 months,
and turns it into a catch-me game, a sharp downward
collar correction as you put him back into position
is a "come to Jesus meeting".

Don't infer from that description that force is an
intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

Lynn K

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

                        WORDS OF WISDOM
                   from our own Lynn Kosmakos
          1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft Every Day
                       For Twenty Years

  I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

 "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
  requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.
  I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
  while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned.

  But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every
  other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

 "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
  the right to participate in by observing the easily
  understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."

  Lynn K.

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    "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
                  may acquire those rights
        which never could have been withholden from them
                but by the hand of tyranny.
             The question is not can they REASON,
                     nor can they TALK,
                    but can they SUFFER?"  -
                     - Jeremy Bentham

          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
                for the good of its victims,
                may be the most oppressive.
          Those who torment us for our own good
                will torment us without end,
            for they do so with the approval of
                  their own conscience." -
                      - C.S. Lewis.

        "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
                 Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
                       Agamemnon.

      The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
                  can be judged by the way
                  its animals are treated." ~ Mohandas
         Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from his FREE
         copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
         Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ )  >

              Force training JERRYIZES dogs...
                   and GETS THEM DEAD.

            All truth passes through three stages.
                    First, it is ridiculed.
              Second, it is violently opposed.
           Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                   -Arthur Schopenhauer

            "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                 even tho it's a hopeless task,
                    in this system of things.
                 As long as man is ruling man,
                there will be animals (and humans!)
                   abused and neglected. :-(
                   Your student," Juanita.

               "If you've got them by the balls
                   their hearts and minds
                       will follow,"
                        John Wayne.

              The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ )  >