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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2005New job purrs please? (a little long, OT)
I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. I'm nervous as hell. I'm working for another bank, customer service with higher emphasis on sales. My soon to be ex-co-workers are making my life hell, guilt-tripping me all over kingdom come: what about the team, says my phone bank peer; why are you ditching me, says my supervisor; you must consider the opportunities that M&T can offer you. Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll make over 12 an hour at the new place. I'm nervous because I don't know how to approach them concerning some adaptations that will be necessary. I have a case of ADHD that will make me unemployable without medication. And then there was my car accident several years ago, which caused a head injury that robbed me of my ability to number-crunch. How does one approach such a topic with one's superiors? "Hi, I'm Mrs. Singh, and I'm learning-disabled; I can't do math, and expect to work and advance in a bank." Oy vay. I run the risk of sounding whiny, it's not my intention, but the frustration is eating me alive! I'm new to this stuff; I mean the learning diability thing, having only learned through months of evaluation that concluded in July. Any ideas on how to make this a smooth transition, and how--or if--I should deal with the matter with my trainers and HR people? Blessed be, Baha >I'm working for another bank, customer service with higher emphasis on >sales. My soon to be ex-co-workers are making my life hell, guilt-tripping >me all over kingdom come: what about the team, says my phone bank peer; why >are you ditching me, says my supervisor; you must consider the opportunities >that M&T can offer you. Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll >make over 12 an hour at the new place. Yah! If they want you so bad, why are they ripping you off, you probably want to ask. The unfortunate thing about pay sometimes is that employers usually pay what they believe you'll accept, and no more. Equality never seems to be considered. If someone happens to accept $60k a year for example, there's probably correspondingly a hard bargainer in that department who does the same job, but for $120k. All pay goes on the same departmental budget, so as far as they're concerned, they've established a good HR mix with the fair average pay of $90k. They'd never out and offer to bring the lower pay up to normal - that would be breaching their fiduciary duties, since that's giving away a lot of company money for no tangible gain. Subsequent pay raises will continue to perpetuate any inequalities, since they're usually figured in terms of an average overall percentage, since that gives the most stable budgets over time. You're breaking out of this pattern, which is a good thing. > Yah! If they want you so bad, why are they ripping you off, you > probably want to ask. The unfortunate thing about pay sometimes is > that employers usually pay what they believe you'll accept, and no > more. Equality never seems to be considered. The CPA firm I work for used to be like that - I swear they hired whichever applicant was willing to accept the lowest salary! (Of course, we had some interesting, talented people, but as far as their accounting qualifications went....) The old partners retired long ago, and the firm now is very much about maintaining AICPA standards. > Yah! If they want you so bad, why are they ripping you off, you > probably want to ask. The unfortunate thing about pay sometimes is > that employers usually pay what they believe you'll accept, and no > more. Equality never seems to be considered. There's a really good book that I was hesitant to read. It's called Women Don't Ask: Negotiation and the Gender Divide A lot of it has to do with how women often don't think to try to get more, or think they will offend someone or burn bridges for asking for more. That being said, after I read the book I tried to get more from the company I'd just gotten an offer from, and they didn't budge =/ Still, it's a very interesting read. It hit me hard. I just found its website, too: http://www.womendontask.com/ > If someone happens to accept $60k a year for example, there's > probably correspondingly a hard bargainer in that department who [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the most stable budgets over time. You're breaking out of this > pattern, which is a good thing. This is not always true, by the way. I have heard of companies proactively handing out raises to cover differences. And my husband got an out-of-the-blue raise that way, not necessarily because of differences in pay in the company, but in the industry. They knew some other company could easily offer him a lot more for his expertise, so they kept him fat and happy so he wouldn't go looking.  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far > better pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to > take, etc. > > I'm nervous as hell. Purrs that your new job is everything you want it to be. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far > better pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to > take, etc. > > I'm nervous as hell. I hope I'm reading correctly you already have the new job! > I'm working for another bank, customer service with higher emphasis on > sales. My soon to be ex-co-workers are making my life hell, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll make over 12 an > hour at the new place. If there are so many opportunities, why haven't they pulled you aside and offered you a pay increase or higher level position? > I'm nervous because I don't know how to approach them concerning some > adaptations that will be necessary. I have a case of ADHD that will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with one's superiors? "Hi, I'm Mrs. Singh, and I'm learning-disabled; > I can't do math, and expect to work and advance in a bank." Oy vay. This is difficult. I would first get written documentation from your physican(s). I haven't worked in HR but I expect they would want to know this. You can be certified under FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act) in *case* you need time due to your medical condition(s). Once hired, if FMLA certified you cannot be terminated due to medical stuff relating to the certified condition. > I run the risk of sounding whiny, it's not my intention, but the > frustration is eating me alive! I'm new to this stuff; I mean the > learning diability thing, having only learned through months of > evaluation that concluded in July. Any ideas on how to make this a > smooth transition, and how--or if--I should deal with the matter with > my trainers and HR people? My personal opinion (which doesn't count for much) is they should be happy you are up-front about your medical situation. That is, unfortunately, not always the case. There is also the Americans with Disabilities Act although I'm only familiar with FMLA. > Blessed be, > Baha Best of luck and new job purrs on the way! Jill > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better > pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. Lucky you. I can't wait to be on the same boat. :( > I'm nervous as hell. Change is difficult! > sales. My soon to be ex-co-workers are making my life hell, guilt-tripping That's very unprofessional. Here in my company, everybody is nice to people leaving (after recovering from the initial sense of loss, of course). > that M&T can offer you. Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll > make over 12 an hour at the new place. Hey, ask for a 50% raise! :) > I'm nervous because I don't know how to approach them concerning some > adaptations that will be necessary. I have a case of ADHD that will make me > unemployable without medication. Well, I don't think you need to disclose that if you're currently medicated. > And then there was my car accident several > years ago, which caused a head injury that robbed me of my ability to > number-crunch. How does one approach such a topic with one's superiors? "Hi, > I'm Mrs. Singh, and I'm learning-disabled; I can't do math, and expect to > work and advance in a bank." Oy vay. You talk to Human Resources. They are required by law to provide you with accomodations for any disabilities you might have, provided you are able to perform the duties of the job you were hired to do. > July. Any ideas on how to make this a smooth transition, and how--or if--I > should deal with the matter with my trainers and HR people? Talk to HR first. They might have processes to deal with this kind of thing. Good luck! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better > pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that M&T can offer you. Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll > make over 12 an hour at the new place. Don't mind them - they're just jealous of your having the courage to look elsewhere! Where is all that "team spirit" when they decide to downsize, and your job is among the casualties? I learned long ago that an employer "owes" you nothing but your paycheck plus whatever benefits (like medical insurance) they promised when they hired you. (And of course those "benefits" are subject to change, at their discretion.) > I'm nervous because I don't know how to approach them concerning some > adaptations that will be necessary. I have a case of ADHD that will make me [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > July. Any ideas on how to make this a smooth transition, and how--or if--I > should deal with the matter with my trainers and HR people? You didn't mention these problems at your interview? Better you not get that job than find yourself with none! I hope everything goes well for you, but I think you really should have let the new employer know in advance about anything that might affect your performance - especially the number thing. (If that's the result of an injury, is there any hope you might recover your abilities?) >I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better > pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Blessed be, > Baha If and when you approach them, be upbeat and positive. Not apologetic. I'd think that the details of your ADHD are none of anyone's business. Neither is whatever medication you take. As for the math problems, a laughing comment like "I'm just no good at math, and here I am working in a bank" would be more than enough. Lots of people are no good at math. And you are going to work in customer service, not accounting. I'm not saying you have to be secretive, but you hardly need to go in with a T-Shirt on that lists any problems you might have either. Jo >I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better >pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >July. Any ideas on how to make this a smooth transition, and how--or if--I >should deal with the matter with my trainers and HR people? I'd think it all depends on what your official job duties are going to be... the ADHD isn't really anyone else's business if it's under control and not causing you work problems. What medication you take is your business. As for the math thing, that's what computers and calculators are for. Technology is your friend. As far as I know, bank employees are supposed to use technological assistance to work out financial dealings because a computer's more reliable than even the best number-cruncher. Don't be too upfront about it... but if you know that it's going to affect your ability to do the job they're hiring you for you have to let them know about it, preferably before you accept the offer. Signature~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit I'll do what I can to put in a good purr for you. At the risk of further offending you, please not more than three valium? Smile a lot, and your straight forward personality will triumph over whatever limits you have. Aren't you pleased to be leaving the jerks at the last job behind? Hint: Never badmouth anyone at a former job. Well, at least not where the new employees can hear. Cause they know full well what you say about the last crew, you'll say about them. I doubt anyone on RPCA works at that bank anyhow. SignatureChristopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. . . I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. I'm nervous as hell. I'm working for another bank, customer service with higher emphasis on sales. My soon to be ex-co-workers are making my life hell, guilt-tripping me all over kingdom come: what about the team, says my phone bank peer; why are you ditching me, says my supervisor; you must consider the opportunities that M&T can offer you. Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll make over 12 an hour at the new place. I'm nervous because I don't know how to approach them concerning some adaptations that will be necessary. I have a case of ADHD that will make me unemployable without medication. And then there was my car accident several years ago, which caused a head injury that robbed me of my ability to number-crunch. How does one approach such a topic with one's superiors? "Hi, I'm Mrs. Singh, and I'm learning-disabled; I can't do math, and expect to work and advance in a bank." Oy vay. I run the risk of sounding whiny, it's not my intention, but the frustration is eating me alive! I'm new to this stuff; I mean the learning diability thing, having only learned through months of evaluation that concluded in July. Any ideas on how to make this a smooth transition, and how--or if--I should deal with the matter with my trainers and HR people? Blessed be, Baha >I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better > pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. > > I'm nervous as hell. WOO HOO!!! Concatulations on the new job. Girl, in my (limited) job experience, I've learned not to lie, not to try to hide anything that can't or shouldn't be hidden, and that it is better to tell the truth and same the devil than to have the ones who's opinions you care about finding out later. The modifications you'll need aren't that major, are they? Most places would rather get and keep a good worker than to have to train someone who might not work out for them. Purrs from the owners, woofs from the D-thing (I've been teaching him to talk as well as shake hands) and good thoughts and wishes from us all here. Pam S. > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far > better pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to > take, etc. > > I'm nervous as hell. Many purrs; you hated your old job. This has to be an improvement. > I'm working for another bank, customer service with higher emphasis > on sales. My soon to be ex-co-workers are making my life hell, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Opportunities? I make less than 9 an hour now. I'll make over 12 an > hour at the new place. Yeah, ignore them. Actually, don't ignore them; let the fact that you were actually quite valuable to them sink into your head, and *then* ignore them. > I'm nervous because I don't know how to approach them concerning > some adaptations that will be necessary. I have a case of ADHD that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > learning-disabled; I can't do math, and expect to work and advance > in a bank." Oy vay. I don't know for sure, but I suspect the best approach is to be matter-of-fact and simply state your needs. I was really nervous at my last job about asking for things, like a trackball, which really does help my wrist. I didn't ask until I had an unrelated wrist injury (but I didn't know it was unrelated). At my new job, I simply told them when I started that I needed a trackball for my wrist. Presto chango, I had a trackball. In a lot of ways, I think it is easier to get the things you need when you're just starting out at a job. After you've been there a while, it's harder because you've already been doing the work. > I run the risk of sounding whiny, it's not my intention, but the > frustration is eating me alive! I'm new to this stuff; I mean the > learning diability thing, having only learned through months of > evaluation that concluded in July. Any ideas on how to make this a > smooth transition, and how--or if--I should deal with the matter > with my trainers and HR people? Again, I would simply state any needs upfront, calmly, but not apologetically. You don't want to sound like you consider it a favor to be working there; instead, you want to convey that you know you're a valuable employee, and you need certain accomodations to perform at your best. If there are specific needs you have, I would try to get a moment with the trainers before they start training you and convey them in the same kind of tone. Not haughty, but not apologetic. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca You are working really hard at the job you have now and you are not appreciated for it. I hope you will be at the new place. They are lucky to have you. We are thinking of you and purring that your disability will not be a problem at your new job, Polonca and Soncek > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better > pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Blessed be, > Baha > I have just turned in my notice. A better offer was opened, with far better > pay, easy access to rapid transit and the classes I hope to take, etc. > > I'm nervous as hell. Purrs on the way for the new job to be exactly what you are hoping for. Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey, Sam and Barnabus |
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