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Duke of URL - 15 Oct 2005 16:42 GMT
From No House to the Big House
Chesterfield, Virginny (Times-Dispatch) -- Katrina lies on the ground next
to her brother Phillippe, staring off into the distance. The storm for which
she was named has robbed her of everything - including her owner, who
committed suicide in the devastating aftermath of the hurricane. She has
traveled a long way from the Gulf Coast to her new home at Pocahontas
Correctional Unit, where she and two dozen other cats displaced by the storm
are being cared for by four female inmates who have vowed that these
hurricane victims won't be cast aside.
"They've had a long journey," said inmate Wendy Brickey, her eyes brimming
with tears. "I get the chance to make it OK."
Before Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast, there were just five felines at
the prison's "Pen Pals" program, where a group of well-behaved, trusted
inmates help socialize abandoned cats until they're ready for adoption.
The Humane Society of the United States claims 50,000 animals may have been
left behind in New Orleans. Shelters along the Gulf became deluged with
displaced pets, including the Jackson County Animal Shelter in Gautier,
Miss. So when Pen Pals' cat coordinator Peggy Lynch offered to house some of
the overflowing shelter's cats at the prison, the shelter staff eagerly
agreed. The cats were loaded into plastic carriers and spent the next 20
hours on a truck as they traveled to the prison. They were later joined by
other displaced cats from the Humane Society's main triage center in
Hattiesburg, Miss. The animals arrived agitated and scared, many suffering
from respiratory illnesses due to the cramped quarters and stress, Lynch
said. The inmates immediately began rehabilitating the cats, giving them
food, medicine and love.
Each animal was given a new name - among them, "Gumbo," "Voodoo," and the
"Ragin' Cajuns" - a sextet of frisky black kittens that bounce around in
their cage as if they've just discovered a stash of catnip.
"It's probably the nicest shelter that they could ever land in, so far as
the amount of love and attention," Lynch said. "I walked in and it was just
amazing - just this total sense of calm. They seem to blossom out here."
That feeling of serenity is pervasive inside the shelter, a squat, maroon
building located just outside the prison's barbed wire fence. Pictures of
cats plaster the cinderblock walls and cat-print curtains and pillows
brighten the otherwise drab room.
At least one other prison - Dixon Correctional Institute in Jackson, LA -
has taken in pets displaced by Katrina. More than 200 animals rescued from
the New Orleans area have taken shelter in a converted dairy barn on the
facility's property.
Since arriving at Pocahontas, the cats have adapted to their new
surroundings. And the inmates have formed a strong bond with the animals.
Brickey came from a good home, but a cocaine addiction led her to rob a
convenience store, which led her to prison. She worried what the future
held - or if she even had one. She began working for Pen Pals in March, and
immediately connected with a kitten named Scarlett, who'd been found in the
woods. The animal was so traumatized, she wouldn't let anyone touch her. But
after months of love and patience, Scarlett began trusting Brickey, and now
the two often cuddle up together. "When I look at her, I see that after all
this time, I'm not so wild anymore - and she's not so wild anymore," said
Brickey, 45.
The inmates' bond with the Gulf Coast cats is especially strong, who they
see as survivors, like themselves. "When you think there's no hope, there
is," Brickey said. "That's my connection with them."
When word of the hurricane reached the prison, some inmates donated what
little money they had to the victims. But from behind bars, there wasn't
much else they could do until the cats arrived. "It makes us feel like we
can be a part of something - to be a part of the storm - to help out,"
Brickey said. "We are so secluded from the world and there's somebody
waiting on their pets. And while I might never meet them, I took care of
them while they're getting their life together."
So far, nine of the Mississippi cats have been adopted, and Lynch hopes
someday they'll all go to good homes.
Inmate Tuesday Kilgore married at 14 and had six children by the time she
was 23. After her divorce, she had a nervous breakdown and turned to crack.
Her habit eventually landed her in prison. Caring for the Gulf Coast cats
has tapped into her maternal instinct and fulfilled her urge to reach out to
the hurricane victims, she said. "Had I been at home, I probably would have
gone down and helped," the 35-year-old said as she reclined in a chair next
to her favorite cat, Skye. "This gives me responsibility and gives me
motivation to go out and live a so-called normal life."
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Shiral - 15 Oct 2005 20:30 GMT
Thanks, that's a neat story. It sounds as if the cats are helping the
inmates involved at least as much as the inmates are helping the cats.

Melissa
PatM - 16 Oct 2005 03:36 GMT
Thanks for posting that.  So nice to hear the good stories coming out
of this tragedy...we hear mostly the negative.  I'm glad those women
are learning to care and hope again.  A cat'll do that!

PatM
dopekitty - 16 Oct 2005 04:54 GMT
> From No House to the Big House
> Chesterfield, Virginny (Times-Dispatch) -- Katrina lies on the ground next
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> to her favorite cat, Skye. "This gives me responsibility and gives me
> motivation to go out and live a so-called normal life."
What an uplifting story!  This is great, all the prisons should do this!

Kristy
Duke of URL - 16 Oct 2005 16:20 GMT
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>> From No House to the Big House

> What an uplifting story!  This is great, all the prisons should do
> this!

All sorts of institutions from medical to penal to educational have tried
having "community pets". To the best of my knowledge, it's been a success
everywhere.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 16 Oct 2005 20:47 GMT
> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny

Thanks for the story.

That bit about the cat whose owner committed suicide makes me so mad.
I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the "easy way
out" and leave those that depend on them to rot.

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Christina Websell - 16 Oct 2005 21:09 GMT
>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>
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> I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the "easy way
> out" and leave those that depend on them to rot.

Suicide is *not* the easy way out.  It's the last resort for a person in
desperate mental conflict who is very ill.  They are no more responsible for
their actions than blaming someone with Parkinson's disease because their
hands tremble.
I made a study of suicide a while ago when I worked in Adult Services before
I switched to Child Care.  It's a lot more complicated than anyone might
imagine and learning more about it made me very sad and I hope, not
judgmental.

Tweed
jmcquown - 16 Oct 2005 21:28 GMT
>>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>>
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>
> Tweed

I cannot imagine what my LLL went through when he found out his father not
only killed his step-mother but then turned the gun on himself.  He had no
idea his father was that bad off, you know?  I'm sure he couldn't have done
anything about it but I think he would have at least tried.

Jill
Christina Websell - 16 Oct 2005 21:54 GMT
>>>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>>>
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>
> Jill

What a terrible thing.  The scenario you describe, though, isn't the same as
suicide I'm talking about when a person kills themselves and not anyone
else.  It's a self-destructive thing.
You seem to be describing a psychotic illness which ended in tragedy. It's
very different.

Tweed
jmcquown - 17 Oct 2005 01:34 GMT
>>>>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>>>>
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>
> Tweed

True enough.  The man was definitely unstable but his only child didn't
realize to what extent.  Apparently no one else did, either.  Even had he
"only" taken his own life, imagine as a relative having to deal with the aft
ermath.  It's just sad, but I'm not sure anything could have been done to
prevent the way he was feeling.  Perhaps medication?  Counseling?  I don't
know.  We'll never know.

Jill
Cheryl Perkins - 17 Oct 2005 01:42 GMT
> True enough.  The man was definitely unstable but his only child didn't
> realize to what extent.  Apparently no one else did, either.  Even had he
> "only" taken his own life, imagine as a relative having to deal with the aft
> ermath.  It's just sad, but I'm not sure anything could have been done to
> prevent the way he was feeling.  Perhaps medication?  Counseling?  I don't
> know.  We'll never know.

It's very hard to know what if anything could have been done differently
in such cases. Doctors make mistakes, the closest friends and relatives
misjudge the situation...

There's a woman here who speaks to victims' groups about the power of
forgiveness. A neighbour killed her father in front of her when she was a
teenager. The neighbour was known to be mentally ill, but no one knew his
psychosis had advanced to such a degree. He spent many years in a
psychiatric hospital, and the victim's family continued with their lives -
in the daughter's case, in a very giving manner.

Sometimes that's all there is - rebuilding after tragedy.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 16 Oct 2005 23:16 GMT
>> That bit about the cat whose owner committed suicide makes me so
>> mad.  I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the
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> might imagine and learning more about it made me very sad and I
> hope, not judgmental.

Maybe you're right, but it's hard for me to imagine.  Certainly the idea
of anyone for whom life seems so painful and hopeless as to prefer death
makes me sad, as well.

If someone cuts up a bunch of house pets, people on this NG will be
outraged, regardless of the fact that doing so clearly demonstrates
mental illness.

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Christina Websell - 17 Oct 2005 00:10 GMT
>>> That bit about the cat whose owner committed suicide makes me so
>>> mad.  I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the
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> outraged, regardless of the fact that doing so clearly demonstrates
> mental illness.

Now you are being silly.
This is not what we were talking about.  We were talking about suicide.
Suicide is the refuge for people whose life has become intolerable, for
whatever reason that might be.  They leave behind partners, children,
parents, pets.  None of that matters at that moment.  It is not a selfish
act, just one of pure desperation.
It's sometimes possible to see subtle signs that suicide might happen but
not always.  People who don't really want to die but need help which has not
been forthcoming will sometimes make a suicide "attempt"  These people will
make sure they are found after their overdose or whatever and can be saved.
After that, real changes can often be made in their lives to make them happy
again.
It's very different for those who have decided to die for sure, no going
back.  If they decide to do it by overdose of drugs they will make sure that
they do it at a time when no-one will find them in time to save them.  Then
there is the "in front of the train"  or "drink 3 bottles of whisky and drop
into the water."

Oh, come on, Monique. Have a heart and be glad that you've never felt like
they did.

Tweed
Cheryl Perkins - 17 Oct 2005 01:07 GMT
> Maybe you're right, but it's hard for me to imagine.  Certainly the idea
> of anyone for whom life seems so painful and hopeless as to prefer death
> makes me sad, as well.

> If someone cuts up a bunch of house pets, people on this NG will be
> outraged, regardless of the fact that doing so clearly demonstrates
> mental illness.

Well ... someone who kills themself is turning far more pain than that on
themselves, often with the mistaken idea that everyone else will be far
better off as a result. And with their death, they lose all chance of
realizing they were wrong, of avoiding the pain and devastation they've
left their friends and family with, instead of the freedom they thought
they were giving them.

That's a lot worse than torturing animals, although I would be horrified
at the pain of the animals and convinced the perpetrator needs psychiatric
care. In that case, the perpetrator has time to try to make amends for
what he or she has done, and to try to do better in the future. The
suicide has thrown away all chance for recovery under agonizing delusions
which propelled him or her to a decision that will leave behind
devastation.

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Adrian - 16 Oct 2005 23:09 GMT
>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>
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> I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the "easy way
> out" and leave those that depend on them to rot.

I just hope for your sake, you're never in the position to realize it's
anything but easy. It is an act of absolute desperation.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Oct 2005 03:15 GMT
>>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>>
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> I just hope for your sake, you're never in the position to realize
> it's anything but easy. It is an act of absolute desperation.

I hope so, too.  But I do think the people who kill themselves must
think it's easier to be dead than deal with life, otherwise they
wouldn't have chosen to kill themselves.

I've been in a position where I felt I had nothing to live for, but I
stuck around for my pets and to avoid hurting my family -- and
eventually things did get better.  Now, you can say, by definition, if
I didn't kill myself I must not have been feeling what these people
are feeling.  And sure, that may be true.  But by the same token, you
don't know what I was feeling, or what they are feeling, really.  

Most likely I agree with Tweed, that they are mentally ill.  And in a
few situations, such as ongoing, debilitating pain with no chance of
improvement, and a foregoing discussion with the family members, I
would even agree with the decision.  I think people have the right to
choose to end their lives, but still, the consequences to the
survivors are horrific.

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Cheryl Perkins - 17 Oct 2005 11:54 GMT
> I hope so, too.  But I do think the people who kill themselves must
> think it's easier to be dead than deal with life, otherwise they
> wouldn't have chosen to kill themselves.

Or they choose dying as a way to deal with life. It's a way of solving
all their problems at one time. Or they are thinking so irrationally that
it really doesn't make sense to talk of a choice.

<snip>

> Most likely I agree with Tweed, that they are mentally ill.  And in a
> few situations, such as ongoing, debilitating pain with no chance of
> improvement, and a foregoing discussion with the family members, I
> would even agree with the decision.  I think people have the right to
> choose to end their lives, but still, the consequences to the
> survivors are horrific.

I think people do not have the right to choose to end their lives. Whether
someone else kills themself might not have much effect on the extremely
mentally ill cases. But for the less severely ill people, that's
the sort of talk and action that encourages them to think, oh, it's just
another choice. Maybe even a heroic one. Everyone will be better off. And
then, they make an irrevocable decision that devastates everyone around
them and maybe, results in the death of a vulnerable relative or friend.

I know there have been societies without taboos against suicide, but I
think there's excellent reasons for such a taboo.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Oct 2005 17:02 GMT
>> Most likely I agree with Tweed, that they are mentally ill.  And in
>> a few situations, such as ongoing, debilitating pain with no chance
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> decision that devastates everyone around them and maybe, results in
> the death of a vulnerable relative or friend.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing.  As I said, an
example of a justifiable suicide in my mind would be someone who is in
extreme pain with no prognosis of improvement.  If they talk to their
family and prepare them for it, I don't see how that is wrong.  Who am
I to tell someone that they must live in daily pain?

On a personal side, if I felt I were soon to be far gone with
Alzheimer's, I might decide to take my life.  I have seen my husband's
family going through the agony of supporting a family member who no
longer has any part of her memories or personality, but needs ongoing
health care.  I don't want my family to have to make such awful
choices, and from a far more selfish point of view, I don't want to
lose myself.  I don't want to be a shell.

My husband didn't like it when I suggested that, though.

> I know there have been societies without taboos against suicide, but
> I think there's excellent reasons for such a taboo.

I think it's situational.  And yes, now I've completely contradicted
my original post.

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Cheryl Perkins - 17 Oct 2005 17:04 GMT
> I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

Oh, we are. I just disagree with you.

<snip>

> I think it's situational.  And yes, now I've completely contradicted
> my original post.

I don't think it is situational. I understood what you were saying, I was
pointing out that I didn't agree with you.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Oct 2005 17:21 GMT
>> I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
>  
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> I don't think it is situational. I understood what you were saying,
> I was pointing out that I didn't agree with you.

Ah, sorry.  Your description of family trauma made me think you
hadn't.

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Wayne Mitchell - 17 Oct 2005 17:39 GMT
>I think people do not have the right to choose to end their lives. Whether
>someone else kills themself might not have much effect on the extremely
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>I know there have been societies without taboos against suicide, but I
>think there's excellent reasons for such a taboo.

I disagree with this.  However any of us may *feel* about
suicide, I think it is a right we all have -- every bit as
inalienable as the right to life or liberty.  In fact, we cannot
be said to be living free if we are not free to self-terminate,
any more than we can say we live in a free country if we are not
free to leave.

All rights are limited in their proper expression by the equal
rights of others, of course.  Someone with dependent children or
pets is not as free to exercise the inalienable right to
self-termination as someone unencumbered.  And we all need to
take into account how our actions will affect others.

But others' reactions should not be over-valued.  For instance,
a non-WASP family moving into a previously white-bread-only
neighborhood can engender some bad feelings, but the feelings
are not the responsibility of the in-comers, and they have no
requirement to refrain from moving in just because some people
can't handle it.  Those people simply need an attitude
adjustment.

The same with suicide.  A lot of people have very irrational
reactions to it, but that does not necessarily mean that the
suicide is wrong or violates anyone else's rights.  Other
people's feelings and reactions are, ultimately, their own
responsibility.  They may just need an attitude adjustment.

The problem of suicide is not a life-or-death question; it's a
death-or-death question.  We're all under sentence of death, and
the feelings anyone's death engenders should not be greatly
different, whether it comes about by accident or by hir own
will.

Our culture has a bad attitude toward death, so we have a hard
time seeing it that way.

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Cheryl Perkins - 17 Oct 2005 18:02 GMT
> I disagree with this.  However any of us may *feel* about
> suicide, I think it is a right we all have -- every bit as
> inalienable as the right to life or liberty.  In fact, we cannot
> be said to be living free if we are not free to self-terminate,
> any more than we can say we live in a free country if we are not
> free to leave.

I don't think rights are inalienable, I think they are defined by society.

<snip>

> The same with suicide.  A lot of people have very irrational
> reactions to it, but that does not necessarily mean that the
> suicide is wrong or violates anyone else's rights.  Other
> people's feelings and reactions are, ultimately, their own
> responsibility.  They may just need an attitude adjustment.

That someone has a different reaction to you does not mean their reaction
is irrational. It might simply mean that they are basing their reasons on
different premises on the nature of life and death and on a different
moral code.

> The problem of suicide is not a life-or-death question; it's a
> death-or-death question.  We're all under sentence of death, and
> the feelings anyone's death engenders should not be greatly
> different, whether it comes about by accident or by hir own
> will.

Feelings don't generally obey rules of 'should' and 'should not', in my
experience. But I wasn't putting forward any statement about how one
should react to a death - whether natural or by suicide - but pointing out
that suicide always seems to devastate those left behind, whether it
should or not. The only reason I qualified this statement with 'seems' is
because I have read reports of planned suicides that do not have such a
damaging effect on survivors, but these are only a handful of second or
third hand anecdotal cases.

> Our culture has a bad attitude toward death, so we have a hard
> time seeing it that way.

It also has a bad attitude towards life and suffering. Life is for the
young, healthy and beautiful, and suffering shouldn't exist and must be
stopped by any means possible, up to and including suicide.

I am quite aware of the arguments of the various right to die groups, and
I'm not really out to convert anyone who holds such beliefs. I am putting
forward an alternate approach because I think it is very important that
anyone who might be in a vulnerable situation who reads public statements
supporting suicide be aware that there is another side to the issue.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Oct 2005 18:24 GMT
>> The problem of suicide is not a life-or-death question; it's a
>> death-or-death question.  We're all under sentence of death, and
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> Feelings don't generally obey rules of 'should' and 'should not', in
> my experience.

I strongly agree here.  Feelings are by definition not rational.  You
can tell John that he shouldn't shoot Harry in anger, but you can't
productively tell John not to be angry at Harry.

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Pamela  Shirk - 17 Oct 2005 00:47 GMT
>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>
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> I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the "easy way
> out" and leave those that depend on them to rot.

I pray that you never get so desperate.  As one who has been so close to
committing suicide, it isn't funny, I know the pain and desperation involved
in even contemplating such an act.  I'm glad now that I never went through
it either of the two times I claim close.  I know now that I was going
through severe diabetes induced depression magnified by the anti-depressants
that I was being given.

Pam S.
Annie Wxill - 17 Oct 2005 01:07 GMT
,,,> I pray that you never get so desperate.  As one who has been so close
to
> committing suicide, it isn't funny, I know the pain and desperation
> involved in even contemplating such an act.  Pam S.
Pam,
I'm glad you're still here. I believe that knowing you through this group
has made my life better.

I had a close friend commit suicide many years ago.  I'm sure she had no
idea how much she would be missed.

I think that when a person commits suicide, it's not because they want to
die, but more because they don't want to live.

Annie
CatNipped - 17 Oct 2005 01:23 GMT
> > From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny
>
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> I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the "easy way
> out" and leave those that depend on them to rot.

Not speaking for everyone, but when I took 50 Valium and 50 sleeping pills
it was because I thought that those I loved would be better off *without*
me.  Granted, I was wrong, but that's what I thought at the time.  I do
agree it is a selfish act, but not deliberately selfish.  If a person were
able to see how devastated his/her loved ones would be without him, how much
they needed him, how badly the act would affect them, e.g. know his *self
worth*, he wouldn't be contemplating suicide.

Along with others I pray that neither you nor anyone else here ever knows
what it feels like to be so desperate that suicide seems to be your only
choice left in life.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Mishi - 17 Oct 2005 03:07 GMT
<gently snipped>  Granted, I was wrong, but that's what I thought at the
time.  I do agree it is a selfish act, but not deliberately selfish.  If a
person were able to see how devastated his/her loved ones would be without
him, how much they needed him, how badly the act would affect them, e.g.
know his *self worth*, he wouldn't be contemplating suicide.

Along with others I pray that neither you nor anyone else here ever knows
what it feels like to be so desperate that suicide seems to be your only
choice left in life.

Hugs,
CatNipped >

I was very close to suicide 2 months ago. I was in a situation that I just
wanted OUT, and that is the only way I could think that would take me away
from what I was going through. The only things keeping me alive at that time
were my cats (esp baby Jake, who was only 2 weeks old and bottle fed), my
elderly mother, and my hubby. I could not abandon my babies, as I know that
even though my hubby loves cats, he would not be able to take care of all of
mine. I have had suicidal thoughts before, but never quite that bad. I am
under treatment for it now.  I do know the devastation left when someone
commits suicide. My brother in law decided that life was not worth living,
and he didn't want to leave his children behind, so he killed my sister,
niece and twin nephews, then himself. This was 2 days before christmas,
1969.  He had just been released from a mental hospital so he could spend
the holidays with his family. They said he wasn't a danger to himself or
others. How wrong they were! His brother had commited suicide in 1963 - he
immolated himself in front of the UN as a protest against Vietnam. Even
after 36 years I still grieve.

Sorry for the missive, and thanks for reading this far.

Take care,
Patti S.
CatNipped - 17 Oct 2005 03:38 GMT
> <gently snipped>  Granted, I was wrong, but that's what I thought at the
> time.  I do agree it is a selfish act, but not deliberately selfish.  If a
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>
> Sorry for the missive, and thanks for reading this far.

Ohmygawd, Patti, that's awful!

One of the things most people don't know about suicide is that it sometimes
has a domino effect on a family - a suicide's family will often have other
members commit suicide afterwards.

I'm glad you got help for yourself.  Depression is a very serious disease
that often kills.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Take care,
> Patti S.
Jo Firey - 17 Oct 2005 04:05 GMT
> One of the things most people don't know about suicide is that it
> sometimes
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>
> CatNipped

Very true.  And I think for two reason.  First, more than any other tragedy,
those who lose someone close to suicide blame themselves.  Think that
somehow they could have prevented it, made life better, seen the signs, just
done anything at all different.  Its the ultimate survivor guilt.

And second, suicide is one of the very few things left that are taboo.  The
convention of society is "suicide is not an option".  But anyone affected by
a suicide knows it is an option, even if not a good one.  It will always be
there somewhere in the back of their minds.

Jo
meee - 17 Oct 2005 04:22 GMT
> <gently snipped>  Granted, I was wrong, but that's what I thought at the
> time.  I do agree it is a selfish act, but not deliberately selfish.  If a
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> Take care,
> Patti S.

(((((Patti))))) purrs....hope your mind is full of happy memories of them at
this time, not sad ones.
Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Oct 2005 16:55 GMT
> I was very close to suicide 2 months ago. I was in a situation that
> I just wanted OUT, and that is the only way I could think that would
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>
> Take care, Patti S.

Patti,

I am very glad you're still here, and I'm so sorry to hear about your
family's tragedy.  There's no need to apologize for posting such
stories here -- aside from a few 'select individuals' who've tried to
derail the group, everyone is very supportive and wants to help.

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Jane - 17 Oct 2005 15:57 GMT
>Along with others I pray that neither you nor anyone else here ever knows
>what it feels like to be so desperate that suicide seems to be your only
>choice left in life.

Been there done that, and only survived because I was too stupid to know
what to do.  It wasn't quite *typical* teenage angst, but at the time
I didn't know what else to do or where else to turn.  
Obviously I survived, and became a stronger person in spite of myself.

Jane
Enfilade - 17 Oct 2005 15:13 GMT
> That bit about the cat whose owner committed suicide makes me so mad.
> I guess I just don't have sympathy for those who take the "easy way
> out" and leave those that depend on them to rot.

There was a while when my cats kept me living--they needed me, and I
couldn't take the luxury of ending up in a mental hospital, a jail or a
coffin.  

--Fil
Jane - 17 Oct 2005 15:54 GMT
>> From No House to the Big House Chesterfield, Virginny

This was a great story.  I loved it.  Thanks for sharing.

Jane
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meee - 17 Oct 2005 02:20 GMT
that's a really really nice story. there should be much more animal therapy
in use...sad and sick people respond so well to animals, the therapy animal
program for them works so well, if they extended it to prisons it would
probably work wonders there too....which would be nice. I'm glad they allow
that program in the US I hope they do something like that here one day.

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> From No House to the Big House
> Chesterfield, Virginny (Times-Dispatch) -- Katrina lies on the ground next
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> to her favorite cat, Skye. "This gives me responsibility and gives me
> motivation to go out and live a so-called normal life."
 
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