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meee - 13 Oct 2005 00:21 GMT
Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
you!!)
As we all love to help, share our knowledge etc here, and aren't phobic
about people mentioning AOTC (animals other than cats) would everyone who
has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
list of animals they know about? That way if any of us aquires/has a problem
with a new animal, we know someone to ask. As for some of us, access to
animal newsgroups are limited (I can only find cats, dogs and guinea pigs
inhabiting mine) it would be great to have someone to ask!And for how this
got started, please refer to the post 'Re:*sigh*Pearl... Well, here
goes.....

meee; goats (there you go tweed!), guinea pigs,parrots,
chickens, spiders (don't ask)

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Victor Martinez - 13 Oct 2005 00:23 GMT
> has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
> list of animals they know about? That way if any of us aquires/has a problem

I'm no expert, but I have learned a lot about keeping freshwater fish
and shrimp.

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meee - 13 Oct 2005 01:24 GMT
> > has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
> > list of animals they know about? That way if any of us aquires/has a problem
>
> I'm no expert, but I have learned a lot about keeping freshwater fish
> and shrimp.

That's good to know- mine nearly always die!!
Magic Mood Jeep© - 13 Oct 2005 03:59 GMT
>> has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their
>> name and list of animals they know about? That way if any of us
>> acquires/has a problem
>
> I'm no expert, but I have learned a lot about keeping freshwater fish
> and shrimp.

I used to raise hamsters.  The larger "golden" (although they come in more
than that one color nowadays) variety, not the dwarf versions. They were
lots of fun, and lots of work too.  I know all the books say that hamsters
are 'clean' and have 'no smell' - ever looked in their cages?  Little
hamster turds (sometimes they even 'recycle' them) everywhere, and their
pee-corner????  Whoooeeeee!  Worse than any cat litterbox!  And they're
escape artists, with no fear of heights since they're burrowing ground
dwellers and don't even *know* what heights are.

Oh, and 'golden' hamsters are solitary/territorial animals, and it irks me
to no end to find *several* per cage at pet shops (and some shops fail to
segregate male from female, either from stupidity or a simple mistake (male
hammy's have this amazing ability to 'hide' their boy parts when they feel
threatened, so some people may find it hard to tell the difference), so some
poor unsuspecting kid takes home a preggers female at least once a week).
Makes me want to take them all home, but then I think of all the cats I have
here, and how many hamsters would end up as cat-toys (or kitty happy
meals)....
John F. Eldredge - 17 Oct 2005 13:15 GMT
>>> has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their
>>> name and list of animals they know about? That way if any of us
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>here, and how many hamsters would end up as cat-toys (or kitty happy
>meals)....

Back in the 1980's, my mother was teaching at a private elementary
school here in Nashville, TN, run by a particularly-conservative
church.  The principal suspected, correctly, that my mother was more
liberal than most of his fellow church-members.  On one occasion, each
of the teachers was told to buy a hamster to be a classroom pet.  The
one my mother bought, which was male according to the pet-store clerk,
gave birth the next day to a litter of babies.  The principal's first
conclusion was that my mother had deliberately chosen a pregnant
hamster as a way of getting around the school's ban on sex education.
The compromise they reached was that she take Mama Hamster and babies
home until the babies were old enough to adopt out.  We managed to
keep our cat from eating any of the hamsters, but it wasn't for lack
of trying.

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mlbriggs - 13 Oct 2005 00:42 GMT
> Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> you!!)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> meee; goats (there you go tweed!), guinea pigs,parrots, chickens, spiders
> (don't ask)

Hamsters are interesting.  Try a.p.hamsters       MLB
meee - 13 Oct 2005 01:25 GMT
> > Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> > you!!)
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Hamsters are interesting.  Try a.p.hamsters       MLB

will do so!!
Gennie - 13 Oct 2005 01:44 GMT
Uh, do sea monkeys count? I am the designated caretaker of the office
sea monkey tank. (I've actually also raised regular brine shrimp to the
breeding state when I had a tank of reproducing guppies.)
meee - 13 Oct 2005 02:10 GMT
wow, I always wanted sea monkeys as a kid!! do they really do tricks, or was
that all hype?

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> Uh, do sea monkeys count? I am the designated caretaker of the office
> sea monkey tank. (I've actually also raised regular brine shrimp to the
> breeding state when I had a tank of reproducing guppies.)
Victor Martinez - 13 Oct 2005 02:42 GMT
> wow, I always wanted sea monkeys as a kid!! do they really do tricks, or was
> that all hype?

Hype. They're nothing more than artemia saltwater shrimp. Small and not
very bright. :)

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meee - 13 Oct 2005 02:55 GMT
> > wow, I always wanted sea monkeys as a kid!! do they really do tricks, or was
> > that all hype?
>
> Hype. They're nothing more than artemia saltwater shrimp. Small and not
> very bright. :)

Aaah, I had a suspicion that would be the case...i remember i looked them up
in a book or something, then wondered how the hell they'd managed to get
brine shrimp to do tricks? still wondering....it said so on the box, so it
must be true... :^)
Gennie - 13 Oct 2005 03:29 GMT
Yep--sea monkeys are, in fact, a species o' brine shrimp (artemia NYOS)
specifically bred to withstand the rigors of attentions (or inattention
as may be the case) of their target market--children. Other than that
they are pretty much like the wild brine shrimp I've raised to feed my
fish.

The "trick" referred to on the packaging just refers to getting the
shrimp to swim in a certain direction in the tank. The shrimps'
principal food source in nature is algae which flourishes in bright
light. The shrimp are "programmed" to move in the direction of the food
source by following light (phototaxis).
More than you really wanted to know, isn't it?  :-)

Gennie
meee - 13 Oct 2005 04:24 GMT
> Yep--sea monkeys are, in fact, a species o' brine shrimp (artemia NYOS)
> specifically bred to withstand the rigors of attentions (or inattention
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>
> Gennie

very interesting! ahh, so that's their gimmick; shine a torch in one side of
the aquarium, and they'll 'migrate' over their and vice versa!!
Kreisleriana - 13 Oct 2005 04:24 GMT
>> wow, I always wanted sea monkeys as a kid!! do they really do tricks, or was
>> that all hype?
>
>Hype. They're nothing more than artemia saltwater shrimp. Small and not
>very bright. :)

They're fish food!!  ;)

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Victor Martinez - 13 Oct 2005 12:41 GMT
> They're fish food!!  ;)

Yes they are. My fish eat them every day, though most of the time
frozen. Sometimes I do buy them live and feed them that way.

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PatM - 13 Oct 2005 04:00 GMT
I'm not an expert either, but I have raised and enjoyed hedghogs.  And
what my girlfriend doesn't know about ferrets.....

PatM
meee - 13 Oct 2005 04:28 GMT
> I'm not an expert either, but I have raised and enjoyed hedghogs.  And
> what my girlfriend doesn't know about ferrets.....
>
> PatM

oooh, i'de love a ferret; our 2 yr old saw them on tv, and it was 'mummy i
wanna ferret, can i have a ferret mummy? " all week. for some people, their
kids demand toys-ours demand animals! Unfortunately ferrets are illegal in
our state ;(
Debbie Wilson - 13 Oct 2005 08:43 GMT
> Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> you!!)
> As we all love to help, share our knowledge etc here, and aren't phobic
> about people mentioning AOTC (animals other than cats) would everyone who
> has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
> list of animals they know about?

OK, good idea.

Me: Mediterranean tortoises, salamanders, frogs & toads, axolotls. Well,
you did ask! :-)

Deb.
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Azy - 13 Oct 2005 08:53 GMT
~~"He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would;
He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S.
Greenfield~~

Gotta Break in here...Love that quote.  Reminds me of Fleas...I have
about this much ( ) knowledge about a beta fish.  I say a beta fish
because Jaws is the only one I own, and he's fairly well
self-sufficient as long as I drop his pellets in and change his water
out every third week.

Azy!

"Unfortunately, I once roomed with a cocker spaniel, and she left a
terrible impression of dogs with whomever she met. Her breath was
terrible, she reeked of sebaceous oils, she chewed her haunches
fanatically, and she was a pathological liar. I learnt quite a few
lessons living with her. Firstly, never lay behind a dog who's just
dined heavily from the rubbish bin. Secondly, never leave kibble for
later if there's a dog about. And, most importantly, never, never trust
a cocker spaniel in a balaclava no matter what they tell you." ~~W.C.
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meee - 14 Oct 2005 06:33 GMT
> > Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> > you!!)
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>
> Deb.

wow!! i would love to have an axolotl one day...they are really
interesting...are mediterranean tortoises as smelly as australian ones? we
rescue them from the roads all the time after rain (they all go walkabout)
and they usually stink to high heaven, and pee on you by the way of thanks.
Debbie Wilson - 14 Oct 2005 07:55 GMT
> wow!! i would love to have an axolotl one day...they are really
> interesting...are mediterranean tortoises as smelly as australian ones? we
> rescue them from the roads all the time after rain (they all go walkabout)
> and they usually stink to high heaven, and pee on you by the way of thanks.

Well, I've never smelt an Australian tortoise, but my torts are not that
smelly I would say! They do pee on you though :-)) Glad to hear you
rescue them from the roads, that is good.
I used to have 3 axolotls, 2 black ones and one albino and one spring
they produced spawn! I ended up with 25 babies! There were plastic
aquariums all over my bedroom. I think my school friends were given a
lot of unexpected pets that year! They were very cool pets, definitely.

Deb.
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meee - 14 Oct 2005 23:47 GMT
> > wow!! i would love to have an axolotl one day...they are really
> > interesting...are mediterranean tortoises as smelly as australian ones? we
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>
> Deb.

Wow!! so much fun!! we moved, so I don't see any tortoises up here any more
:^( but it's like a 'family tradition' rescuing animals....mum & dad are
always rescuing something...except cats, as they live in natural bushland
(sorry...you say woodland don't you) complete with lizards, snakes, birds,
possums, wallabies, roos etc etc. and having 4 daughters going in and out it
was impossible to keep a cat inside so we never had one...but i do now!!
yay!! and my youngest sister is going off to uni in a year so they might get
one then...they have a mice problem, and mum likes my cats a lot....so i
might give them a surprise christmas pressie when lil sis leaves
home...their dogs are getting older so it would be nice for them to have a
pet to age with them...hmmm dad would complain at first but he'd love it
eventually...he likes cats, just not when they kill birds etc...the first
time he found a mouse inside, he thought it was native and took it way down
the bush to let it go....now he kills them as they're feral and not native
to aus. he never kills anything, and gets reallly sad if an animal dies, or
he accidentally kills one...even a lizard....sorry for drifting off...i'm
just missing my family, but mum said she'll come and visit me soon yay!!!
Debbie Wilson - 16 Oct 2005 10:46 GMT
> Wow!! so much fun!! we moved, so I don't see any tortoises up here any more
> :^( but it's like a 'family tradition' rescuing animals....mum & dad are
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> he accidentally kills one...even a lizard....sorry for drifting off...i'm
> just missing my family, but mum said she'll come and visit me soon yay!!!

I have a friend living in the back of beyond by the ocean, 7 hrs by
train from Sydney, and she often sends me photos of the wildlife in her
garden. The house is newly built except nobody told the roos to move out
first. So she has roo families on her grass, peering in the window when
she does her ironing, carrying their joeys around, lounging around on
her patio, it's really funny. Her latest photo sequence was of a goanna
going up a tree to steal eggs, being chased away by the eggs' owners,
going down the tree and the birds celebrating by noisy flapping and
squawking at their success :-))

A word of warning about the cat surprise gift though - just in case your
dad only likes 'other people's cats', he may not like one at all if it
kills the wildlife in his garden, and cats are also non-native of
course, so he may classify them along with the mice....  Unless it would
be an indoor-only cat of course? Would the dogs be OK with a cat/kitten
do you think?

Does your mum live far away from you?

Deb.
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meee - 17 Oct 2005 02:28 GMT
> > Wow!! so much fun!! we moved, so I don't see any tortoises up here any more
> > :^( but it's like a 'family tradition' rescuing animals....mum & dad are
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Deb.

Those roo pictures must be gorgeous...that's what mum & dad's block was like
when we all moved there first...it was down a dirt road and we were the only
ones there...we had acres and acres of bush to explore, it was wonderful.
Now they have neighbours on the surrounding blocks with big new glaring
brick houses, so some of the wildlife have retreated a bit, which is sad.
And I wouldn't even consider giving them a cat unless it was indoors
only...and I'd check with them first. Outdoor cats is the worst thing you
can do over here...unfortunately in the country people often have old run
down houses, and cats can find ways out, so many people can't/won't secure
their cats. I've been gradually training mine not to bolt out the door over
the last few months since we found her...as she's a feral she finds it hard
at times, she's used to living outdoors...but i love having the birds and
lizards too...
JBHajos - 13 Oct 2005 16:45 GMT
> would everyone who
>has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
>list of animals they know about?

  I had seven children, each of whom had his/her preference/taste in
pets so the household was always lively with an assortment of kids and
kiddles.  Umpteen dogs and cats, hamsters, guinea pig, white mice
(never put a pair together!), salamander, little green turtles, a box
turtle, gopher-type turtle, ghekos, parakeets, rabbits, assorted fish,
cornsnakes, 3 baby possums (Spanky, Spunky, and Sparky), and, of
course, sea monkeys and ants.  There may be a few I don't recall at
the moment  but....

   Jeanne
meee - 14 Oct 2005 06:35 GMT
> > would everyone who
> >has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>     Jeanne

Oh no, what have i let myself in for....my 3 yr old is already asking for a
ferret, an elephant, a giraffe, a monkey etc etc. he started his career
eating spiders.....fortunately number 2 prefers cars, and has just seen a
motorbike....he thought an angel had come down and kissed him, i swear!!
Christina Websell - 13 Oct 2005 17:20 GMT
> Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> you!!)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and
> list of animals they know about?

I wasn't just thinking "animals" that's just where *my* main experience
lies.  I thought any field at all.   Howard is brilliant at answering
medical questions, for example.
A car mechanic would be good to have, and some computer bods ;-)

Tweed

That way if any of us aquires/has a problem
> with a new animal, we know someone to ask. As for some of us, access to
> animal newsgroups are limited (I can only find cats, dogs and guinea pigs
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> meee; goats (there you go tweed!), guinea pigs,parrots,
> chickens, spiders (don't ask)
Yoj - 13 Oct 2005 20:20 GMT
> > Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> > you!!)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Tweed

Well, I have a home-based secretarial service, and many of my clients bring
me work to edit or to put into correct English.  Also, I've been in
Toastmasters for almost 15 years, so I know quite a bit about public
speaking.

Joy
meee - 14 Oct 2005 06:37 GMT
> > Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> > you!!)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Tweed

Hahaha you get the blame anyway ;^) there was a networking expert...check
the posts....and im sure someone will know something about cars...hey do any
of you have any experience fixing washing machines LOL!!

>  That way if any of us aquires/has a problem
> > with a new animal, we know someone to ask. As for some of us, access to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > meee; goats (there you go tweed!), guinea pigs,parrots,
> > chickens, spiders (don't ask)
-L. - 14 Oct 2005 08:26 GMT
> Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> you!!)
> As we all love to help, share our knowledge etc here, and aren't phobic
> about people mentioning AOTC (animals other than cats) would everyone who
> has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
> list of animals they know about?

Dogs, natch.
Primates - Don't ever get one as a "pet"
Reptiles - almost any
Hermit crabs
Rodentia - almost any
Raccoons

-L.
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Helen Miles - 16 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT
> Hi everyone...a good idea just posted by tweed (ha ha, blaming this one on
> you!!)
> As we all love to help, share our knowledge etc here, and aren't phobic
> about people mentioning AOTC (animals other than cats) would everyone who
> has experience with animals other than cats add onto the list their name and
> list of animals they know about?///

Exotic cats - Tigers, Jaguars, Margays, Ocelots, Scottish wildcats...
*G*
Dogs
Horses
Rodents (Fancy Mice, Pet Rats)

Helen M
Christina Websell - 17 Oct 2005 00:18 GMT
> Rodents (Fancy Mice, Pet Rats)
>
> Helen M

Fancy mice??  I used to breed and show them, won Best Marked at
Bradford-at-Harrogate Championship Show.
I don't know anything about fancy rats though.

Tweed
 
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