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Karen - 08 Oct 2005 19:18 GMT
Does anyone here use an aerokat inhaler on their cat? I'm going to make
an appointment for Pearl Monday. She had another coughing fit today and
finally I just pilled her with an extra dose of pred. However, Pearl is
gaining weight, and pred is only making that worse. I'm seriously
convinced that the coughing is not of the heart problems making (though
it might make it worse) because she coughed since before the heart
trouble. Our comparative xray for the heart problem was taken over two
years ago and I brought her in because of throwing up, however, I
really didn't realize at the time, half of that was this wierd
coughing. Seeing the video on Fritz the Brave's site is *exactly* how
Pearl coughs.  If we had an inhaler, I could help her right away. Right
now, I just talk to her calmly until it settles down and then give her
prednisone. I think she needs relief faster. This is not the "chronic"
type of attack I don't think, although I do think the day I took her to
the emergency vet WAS leading to one. She'd never had that many attacks
in one day. I think finding the heart trouble was a by product.  I was
just wondering how hard it is to use that thing. As grouchy and
everything as Pearl is, I have found she isn't terribly hard to pill
(except she GAGS and it isn't beause the pill is cuaght or anything.
She is a gagger. Even if I hide half a pred, which is pretty small) in
a glob of A/d and she gulps it down, she'll gag! Same if she eats
something too spicy or that she just doesn't like. If she was a kid
she'd be one of those that throws up if she ate something she didn't
like) I don't know how hard it wold be to use the aerokat on her. Just
wondering if anyone reading has experience or if they have found it
troublesome. I think it would be easier than pilling and certainly
easier on her system.
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 08 Oct 2005 20:36 GMT
>Does anyone here use an aerokat inhaler on their cat? I'm going to make
>an appointment for Pearl Monday. She had another coughing fit today and
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>troublesome. I think it would be easier than pilling and certainly
>easier on her system.

Karen, I haven't used the Aerokat, but a different inhaler extender
thingy.  Some cats are easier than others, as I'm sure you could
guess!  I managed to use it for Sabra during asthma attacks a number
of times, and while I never could hold it as long as recommended, it
did seem to do some good.  And the more used to it he got, the better.
I think it just takes some time and patience.  If you go this route, I
wish you the best!

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Wayne Mitchell - 09 Oct 2005 04:07 GMT
>Does anyone here use an aerokat inhaler on their cat? I'm going to make
>an appointment for Pearl Monday.

Yes, Karen.  Will and I have been doing inhaled meds for five
months now.  When we started in May I joined the Yahoo IM group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felineasthma_inhaledmeds/ .  You
can check out the group for success stories and various methods
of handling kitties, from the easily handled, such as my Will,
to the downright difficult ones.  Also feel free to email me
with questions.

You'll want to check with your vet practice to see if anyone
there is familiar with inhalation therapy for asthma, whether
they are aware of any reason Pearl shouldn't try it, etc.  If no
one there is up on it, print out Dr. Padrid's protocol from the
FritztheBrave site and take it in as a starting point for
discussion.

>  Seeing the video on Fritz the Brave's site is *exactly* how
>Pearl coughs.

That video is so great for people who are not sure if what their
cat is doing is an asthma cough.

>  If we had an inhaler, I could help her right away. Right
>now, I just talk to her calmly until it settles down and then give her
>prednisone. I think she needs relief faster. This is not the "chronic"
>type of attack I don't think, although I do think the day I took her to
>the emergency vet WAS leading to one. She'd never had that many attacks
>in one day.

Being able to help right away was the first big plus when I
started Will on the inhalants.  I had been in the position of
having to stand by and watch him cough several times a day for
weeks at a time and do nothing because it was too soon to give
him another steroid shot.  It was just such a relief when I got
the inhaler and the Albuterol and there was something I could
*do*.

There are two types of medications we typically administer as
inhalants.  For quick relief of symptoms we use a fast-acting
bronchodilator (usually Albuterol).  To reduce the underlying
inflammation and asthmatic tendencies, we use a glucosteroid
(usually Flovent = fluticasone).  Once a kitty is stabilized on
the steroid, they typically need the Albuterol only occasionally
for flare-ups.

>   I was
>just wondering how hard it is to use that thing. As grouchy and
>everything as Pearl is, I have found she isn't terribly hard to pill

In that case, you may not have much trouble getting her adjusted
to the inhaler.  Does she have a food treat that she *really*
likes?  If so, you can set out from the beginning to get her to
associate taking her puffs with getting that treat.  It's very
similar to the way you would introduce her to a new cat in the
household.  You have to go slow and try to always make her
associate the inhaler with good things.

>I don't know how hard it wold be to use the aerokat on her. Just
>wondering if anyone reading has experience or if they have found it
>troublesome. I think it would be easier than pilling and certainly
>easier on her system.

Because Will is easy to handle, I can't personally say much
about how to start off with a cat who is more difficult.  But we
often get accounts on the Yahoo group from people who were just
sure they could never do it with their cat, but find that it is
really quite do-able.

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Julie Cook - 09 Oct 2005 07:42 GMT
> >Does anyone here use an aerokat inhaler on their cat? I'm going to make

> >an appointment for Pearl Monday.

> Yes, Karen. Will and I have been doing inhaled meds for five

> months now. When we started in May I joined the Yahoo IM group

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felineasthma_inhaledmeds/ . You

> can check out the group for success stories and various methods

> of handling kitties, from the easily handled, such as my Will,

> to the downright difficult ones. Also feel free to email me

> with question

Wayne,

I recently read a post from you on the felineasthma inhaled meds list and
thought to myself, "I believe he's posting in rpca" lately. Welcome to you
and Will and Heidi.

Karen,

You'll probably remember when Sam crashed in January of this year and I had
to rush him to the ER Ted. Sammy, Sam had already had a long acting steroid
injection when my Ted thought he had a cold so the Emergency Ted simply gave
him Trebutaline and kept him in an oxygen cage until he stabilized. When I
picked him up I was given the Trebutaline to use until I could get set up
with the Aerokat with Albuterol and Flovent. Sammy Sam never argued with me
about having to use the mask with the meds. You have a lot of patience and
experience with cats. I don't think you'll have any trouble whatsoever
giving her the drug. You'll need a prescription for both the Albuterol and
Flovent so you'll need to discuss this with your TED. Like Wayne, I suggest
using the Flovent until you know she's stable. You might be able to
discontinue the Flovent but until she isn't coughing at all you'll want the
steroids of Flovent. It is very very expensive. You can get it from Canada
cheaper than you can in the US. I buy from MedSave.com The Albuterol is
cheaper and you might want to get it from a US pharmacy.

Sam is currently getting 220 mg of Flovent once a day. I suspect this will
change when it gets colder and we turn the heater on. We'll see. When I
first began I sat on the floor with Sam and crossed my legs around him with
his butt up against me so that he couldn't back away from the mask. I hold
his head with my left hand and administer the drug with my right hand. Sam
wasn't as interested in treats as positive enforcement as he was with love
so I give him his drug and then love on him and pet him. These days he sees
me coming with the Aerokat and he jumps up on the cat tree and waits for me.

I had to give him some Albuterol this week for the first time in months but
we've cut the grass and stirred up a lot of dust then moved furniture about
which created dust. Also I'm more aware of the ragweed, etc right now so I
suspect that Sam is more sensitive to it as well.

If there is anything, anything at all I can do to help you with this let me
know. Feel free to email me and I'll give you my phone number and you can
call if you need to.

Give Pearl and Sugar snuggles from me and purrs to you all from Hobbes,
Selena, Lacey, Barnabus and especially Sam.
Karen - 09 Oct 2005 20:16 GMT
>>> Does anyone here use an aerokat inhaler on their cat? I'm going to make
>
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> Give Pearl and Sugar snuggles from me and purrs to you all from Hobbes,
> Selena, Lacey, Barnabus and especially Sam.

You know, I realized last night that I had turned off my a/c because of
the cooler weather. I wonder if that is why she got worse? I turned it
back on last night. It's not quite "freezing" at night yet. How
expensive is expensive? Her heart meds are about 40 dollars a month.
Not that that would really deter me if it is better for her.
Wayne Mitchell - 10 Oct 2005 03:17 GMT
>How
>expensive is expensive? Her heart meds are about 40 dollars a month.
>Not that that would really deter me if it is better for her.

It will depend on what level of Flovent is required to keep her
stable and asymptomatic.

Right now Will is getting one puff of the 220 strength Flovent
twice a day.  If he stays at that level, his meds will cost
about $650 USD per year, or $54 USD per month.  It could be done
a little cheaper; the Canadian pharmacy I order from is not the
cheapest, but I like doing business with them.

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Karen - 10 Oct 2005 03:49 GMT
>> How expensive is expensive? Her heart meds are about 40 dollars a
>> month. Not that that would really deter me if it is better for her.
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> a little cheaper; the Canadian pharmacy I order from is not the
> cheapest, but I like doing business with them.

Well, I will say since I turned the a/c back on, vacuumed up extra
thorough and changed the HEPA filters, she seems to be feeling much
better. Could be the pred, but I was giving her pred before too. But
even with the pred she was acting "unhappy". Today she is a lot perkier.
Karen - 09 Oct 2005 20:13 GMT
>> Does anyone here use an aerokat inhaler on their cat? I'm going to make
>> an appointment for Pearl Monday.
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> sure they could never do it with their cat, but find that it is
> really quite do-able.

I've decided since she likes vacuuming, I think the aerokat would be
fairly easy to use. I did major clean up and new filters today. Of
course, she is prednisoned up, so this is not really a good test but
she is acting more normal this afternoon. Whenever I've taken her in
about the coughing we've gotten distracted by other health discoveries
(first the arthritis then the heart. I know heart can cause fluid build
up, but she's been doing this even when her heart looked normal on the
xrays). I'll report back. Good idea about printing out the
fritzthebrave stuff. I will definitely do that.
Marina - 11 Oct 2005 04:00 GMT
> I've decided since she likes vacuuming, I think the aerokat would be
> fairly easy to use. I did major clean up and new filters today. Of
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> I'll report back. Good idea about printing out the fritzthebrave stuff.
> I will definitely do that.

Glad Pearl is breathing more freely again. I wish I had changed vets
immediately when the vet I used then admitted she knew nothing about
inhaled meds for asthmatic cats. Purrs still ongoing for Pearl.

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