I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to
get Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for
the cats. Poached turkey in one bowl, Waltham's convalascent food in
another, and kitten food in a third. I usually put up Caliban's kitten
food on the counter, because Frank doesn't get up on the counter.
Well, Miranda ate her turkey-bird (of course, catfood isn't fit for a
princess), Caliban ate the convalescent food and some turkey-bird, and
Frank ate kitten food. Not quite the way it was supposed to go, but as
long as everyone's eating, I'm fairly happy. Miranda also got some
nutri-plus gel and her supplement tablets (which she thinks is treats).
Pity Frank's not so mad about the nutri-plus gel or the supplements.
Normally, I'd be concerned about the high level of protein in kitten
food, but the vet said not to worry. Frank's kidney values were OK (not
perfect, but OK for a cat his age) in the blood, but what showed some
kidney damage was that his urine contained protein (so does mine, but
that's a complication caused by long-term diabetes, and Frank's BG was
perfect, as always, so no sign of diabetes in him). And since his urine
concentration was still normal, she didn't think even fresh meat would
damage his kidneys. I don't know, seems a bit strange that it would show
in his urine but not his blood, but I'm very happy that he ate the
kitten food.
Something else I've been suspecting for some time is that he's losing
his hearing. I'm pretty sure he's nearly deaf now, since he doesn't
react to loud noises. That may explain his loud yowling, and the fact
that me talking soothingly to him has absolutely no effect. He used to
answer me when I talked to him, but now he just looks at me with a
puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why
Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.

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Jo Firey - 07 Oct 2005 05:35 GMT
>I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to get
>Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for the
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> :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why Meowmie keeps
> opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
If you are in to close encounters, hold him against your face and talk to
him. That is what my little dog liked after she went deaf. She could feel
me talking to her. Worth a try.
Jo
wafflycat - 07 Oct 2005 08:01 GMT
> Frank ate kitten food. Not quite the way it was supposed to go, but as
> long as everyone's eating, I'm fairly happy. Miranda also got some
> nutri-plus gel and her supplement tablets (which she thinks is treats).
> Pity Frank's not so mad about the nutri-plus gel or the supplements.
This is good! He's found something he'll eat! *Excellent* Put it this way,
Marina - as you know Francis has kidney problems and is supposed to be on a
low-protein food. He won't eat the stuff. But he will eat normal senior
food. The way I see it, if he's got a condition that is chronic and going to
end his life sooner than 'normal' then he might as well enjoy whatever time
he has left as opposed to being miserable for the duration.
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> Something else I've been suspecting for some time is that he's losing his
> hearing. I'm pretty sure he's nearly deaf now, since he doesn't react to
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> :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why Meowmie keeps
> opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
It would explain the singing. Perhaps more physical contact will soothe him?
Good to hear he's eating :)
Cheers, helen s
Marina - 07 Oct 2005 12:29 GMT
> It would explain the singing. Perhaps more physical contact will soothe
> him?
I'm afraid he's not very interested in physical contact with me ATM,
becaue I'm giving him his meds with the syringe, and he thinks every
time I touch him, he is going to get some foul stuff squirted into his
mouth. He spends a lot of time under the bed, and when he comes out, if
I happen to get up from a chair or even move a muscle, he gets that 'Oh
No!' look on his face and slinks back under the bed. This cat is an
expert on holding a grudge.
Then again, when I'm on the bed, I am apparently not threatening at all.
Every night, he comes up on the bed and settles down on the pillow next
to mine for the night. Of course I stroke and scritch him a lot when he
does that, but he just doesn't quite trust me when I'm up.
Oh, and Frank wanted to thank Waffles so much for the card she sent.
It's just that the secretary is very dangerous when she sits at the
computer, so he doesn't want to come and dictate his thankyou note.

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wafflycat - 07 Oct 2005 12:40 GMT
> Oh, and Frank wanted to thank Waffles so much for the card she sent. It's
> just that the secretary is very dangerous when she sits at the computer,
> so he doesn't want to come and dictate his thankyou note.
So you think he's hiding under the bed...
Waffles tells me Frank has already thanked her personally ;-)
Cheers, helen s
Karen - 07 Oct 2005 14:42 GMT
> Then again, when I'm on the bed, I am apparently not threatening at all.
> Every night, he comes up on the bed and settles down on the pillow next
> to mine for the night. Of course I stroke and scritch him a lot when he
> does that, but he just doesn't quite trust me when I'm up.
That's how I got SUgar to come out from under the bed even when she wasn't
feeling well. Or laying on the floor next to the bed ignoring her also
brought her out. I say lay on the bed a lot!
Karen - 07 Oct 2005 14:38 GMT
I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old but 18 is
pretty darned old. So I say, Let him eat Kitten food!! When I am his age, I
hope they let me eat what I like :)
> I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to
> get Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why
> Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
Jo Firey - 07 Oct 2005 18:45 GMT
> I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old but 18
> is
> pretty darned old. So I say, Let him eat Kitten food!! When I am his age,
> I
> hope they let me eat what I like :)
LOL When my mother moved into the assisted living place that became her
last home, there was a note in the directors office.
It said that they were aware of the scares regarding undercooked eggs. That
none had ever been a problem in their locale. And that given their ages and
personal rights, if a resident wanted a soft cooked egg, they would get it.
Regardless of what their children's concerns were.
Jo
jmcquown - 08 Oct 2005 02:00 GMT
>> I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old
>> but 18 is
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>
> Jo
That's pretty much how my mom feels. She and Dad still live on their own
but Mom is supposed to be on a low-fat, low-sodium diet. After about 15
years of eating things like skinless, boneless chicken breasts and very
bland, boring food she said, "To hell with it. I'm an old woman and I'll
eat what I want to!" Her cholesterol and blood pressure are actually better
now than when she was eating stuff she really didn't like much. She does
use an egg substitute if she wants scrambled eggs and Benecol spread on her
toast but when they go out to dinner, no holds barred on what she orders!
Jill
Jo Firey - 08 Oct 2005 21:56 GMT
>>> I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old
>>> but 18 is
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>
> Jill
We went to a reunion of a military group Charlie served with in the fifties
two weeks ago in Las Vegas. We had a banquet the last evening.
Now there are all old guys seventy and up. Their cardiologists would have
gone into collective shock and the beautiful huge prime rib dinners everyone
enjoyed. There was a chicken alternative, but I think only about 10 out of
200 chose it and that was mostly the wives.
Jo
jmcquown - 08 Oct 2005 23:05 GMT
>>>> I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old
>>>> but 18 is
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>
> Jo
LOL Women, forever "dieting". I'd have gone for the prime rib!
My parents invited me to vist for Thanksgiving. Even before checking the
air-fares (they are paying) I knew it would be outrageous. Any time you fly
in November and December, regardless of fuel costs, they jack the prices
waaaay up :( Dang holidays.
So I suggested an alternative: I'll fly down in January for a few days and
cook Mom a birthday dinner. She said that would be great! Anything she
wants, she'll get. She's very fond of she-crab soup (a Carolina low-country
soup usually made with fresh she-crab with the roe, heavy cream, sherry,
etc.) so I think I'll prepare that for lunch; they don't eat that much.
I'll have to use frozen or canned crab, though. Fresh crab isn't around in
January.
Needless to say she's no longer a fan of chicken. Dad never did care for
it. If she won't give me a hint, I'll have to come up with something for
the dinner. Last time I cooked for them I prepared veal piccata with pasta
in a Parmesan cream sauce and steamed broccoli. It will be up to her, but
she's like mom's everywhere: "Oh, I don't care." Grrrrr ;) (just kidding
about the Grrrrr... but it's her 80th birthday... she'd better tell me what
she wants for dinner even if it truly is *nothing*!)
Dad was teasing, I should prepare SOS (crude military term for creamed
chipped beef on toast) for her. Okay Dad. I'll make some of that for lunch
one day :)
Jill
Adrian - 09 Oct 2005 11:10 GMT
>>>> I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old
>>>> but 18 is
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>
> Jo
That reminds me of a story several years ago, a woman aged 105, decided to
give up smoking as it was bad for her health. :-)

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Denise VanDyke - 10 Oct 2005 16:36 GMT
>>>>I'm thrilled he ate kitten food. We hate to think of them as old
>>>>but 18 is
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>
> Jo
OMG - Korean War Marines? If so, my dad was one of the guys who stood
up! LOL
Denise Brennasmeowmy
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Oct 2005 01:01 GMT
> LOL When my mother moved into the assisted living place that became her
> last home, there was a note in the directors office.
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> personal rights, if a resident wanted a soft cooked egg, they would get it.
> Regardless of what their children's concerns were.
My Mom, on the other hand (in her late nineties at the time)
almost never had bacon and eggs for breakfast at her senior
residence (which was one of the more palatable meals there)
because she worried about her cholesterol! (Which had never
been high, in the first place.)
If I ever make it to my nineties, I intend to eat whatever I
like (actually I do, now - within reason). We all have to
die sometime, and at that age, how much OLDER will watching
your diet get you? (And is it really worth it, if you must
avoid the foods you like?)
Kreisleriana - 07 Oct 2005 14:40 GMT
>I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to
>get Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why
>Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
Poor dear baby. We're purring for him.
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Adrian - 07 Oct 2005 14:44 GMT
> I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to
> get Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and
> why Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
I happy to hear Frank is eating something, as for his hearing, it is sad but
cats are remarkable how they adapt, it's probably worse for you than it is
form him.

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Irulan - 07 Oct 2005 16:28 GMT
Marina, Frankie is just getting on in years it seems. Don't worry, as long
as he's eating and getting all the loving you and the little furbabies can
give him he will be happy. Extra skritches and kisses for him from us.
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>I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to get
>Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for the
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why Meowmie keeps
> opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
Caroline S. - 07 Oct 2005 20:26 GMT
Glad to hear you've worked something out Marina. Purrs for Frank to
continue eating something, and for him to adjust to losing his hearing.
Please pass on some gentle skrtiches from me.
-Caroline S.
polonca12000 - 07 Oct 2005 21:50 GMT
I'm so glad to hear Frank is eating.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes just for Frank,

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> I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to
> get Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why
> Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
CATherine - 08 Oct 2005 02:17 GMT
>Something else I've been suspecting for some time is that he's losing
>his hearing. I'm pretty sure he's nearly deaf now, since he doesn't
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and why
>Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.
It is good that he is eating. As for his hearing, maybe you can talk
to him with your moiuth against his body so he can feel the
vibrations? Or maybe talk into his ears? Purrs,
--
CATherine
badwilson - 08 Oct 2005 16:50 GMT
Awww, poor Frankie. I'm glad that you got him to eat though,
hopefully he keeps eating and gets stronger from it. Hugs and purrs,
--
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> I took all your suggestions to heart, and thought the main thing is to
> get Frank to eat *something*. So, I dished out a buffet last night for
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> food, but the vet said not to worry. Frank's kidney values were OK
> (not perfect, but OK for a cat his age) in the blood, but what
showed
> some kidney damage was that his urine contained protein (so does
> mine, but that's a complication caused by long-term diabetes, and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> puzzled look. :o( He must be wondering where all the sound went and
> why Meowmie keeps opening and shutting her mouth at him. Poor baby.