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Kreisleriana - 02 Oct 2005 07:37 GMT
I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
I have NEVER had a cat with any parasites before--- OK, a cat I had
when I was a kid had ear mites.  But I have had no recent experience
with this.  He was supposed to have been de-flea-ed, de-wormed, all
that (no evidence of worms yet).  

So what do you guys recommend?  Frontline?  Advantage?  Something
else?

Now I do have to find a way to separate the boys, but that doesn't
bother me as much as the whole idea of fleas or ticks or whatever the
baby has, spreading.

ARRRRGH!  

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

Make Levees, Not War
sriddles@aol.com - 02 Oct 2005 07:42 GMT
> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
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>
> Theresa

Hi Theresa--
I like Advantage. Reason being just that I once had a cat who had an
allergic reaction to Frontline, but tolerated Advantage just fine.
Sounds like your baby doesn't have a really bad infestation--if you
treat it now, you probably won't have a problem with the other kitties.

Good luck!
Sherry
Kreisleriana - 02 Oct 2005 07:47 GMT
>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Good luck!
>Sherry

I was surprised-- no shocked-- when I saw the varmints.  He doesn't
*act* like he has any infestation besides the ants in his pants. ;)
He is bright-eyed and seems as healthy as can be.  Thanks for
responding so quickly!

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

Make Levees, Not War
jmcquown - 02 Oct 2005 08:30 GMT
> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
> I have NEVER had a cat with any parasites before--- OK, a cat I had
> when I was a kid had ear mites.  But I have had no recent experience
> with this.  He was supposed to have been de-flea-ed, de-wormed, all
> that (no evidence of worms yet).

When I had a dog, Sammy, and he was an inside dog... one day I was
scratching my scalp and dug up a flea!  Mom, my dog has fleas! (wasn't that
an old song?!)  She said how do you know he has fleas?  Well there was this
thing crawling on my scalp!  (and no, it wasn't a louse, but my ex-husband
was).  She said give the dog a bath and drown them, then shampoo your head.
LOL  It worked.  I didn't have critters crawling around on my head anymore
nor did Sampson.  Still can't imagine trying to bathe Persia... I'd like to
see the groomer who tries to do that to her!  But she has dandruff by the
base of her tail.  I've got some Derm-caps liquid to use in her food to help
with that but I need to talk to her vet about giving it to her.  It's mostly
omega-3 fish oil.

Jill
Kreisleriana - 02 Oct 2005 20:16 GMT
>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
>> I have NEVER had a cat with any parasites before--- OK, a cat I had
>> when I was a kid had ear mites.  But I have had no recent experience
>> with this.  He was supposed to have been de-flea-ed, de-wormed, all
>> that (no evidence of worms yet).

I managed to get a couple of the things off him-- I have never seen
anything like them before.  They don't seem to be fleas, but tiny
flies!   And he is good and infested.

What could they be?  I have never heard of anything like that --
little winged creatures-- as cat parasites.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

Make Levees, Not War
mlbriggs - 02 Oct 2005 21:29 GMT
>>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>>> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

Did you check his fur thoroughly for an injury?  MLB
Kreisleriana - 02 Oct 2005 21:40 GMT
>>>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>>>> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Did you check his fur thoroughly for an injury?  MLB

No, but I will-- there didn't seem to be anything wrong with him.  And
they are now on Stinky.   I'm afraid  to ask, but what difference does
that make?

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

Make Levees, Not War
Rhonda - 02 Oct 2005 22:43 GMT
Hi Theresa,

I would check them all over for sores or maybe a slightly dirty rear.
When you said flies -- I know that's a bad sign with rabbits. They can
quite easily get maggot infestations and that is an emergency with them.

If you can't find any obvious cause, I'd be tempted to get a flea-type
shampoo and bathe both of yours right away, to try to get rid of them
immediately. Then maybe use Advantage or something along those lines.

Is there a vet open near you? Maybe one at a PetSmart? Maybe you could
at least save some of the creatures to show a vet.

Good luck!

I did find this in a google search:      -Rhonda

http://www.jovisca.com/en-parasites.html

Fleas
Fleas live in your cats fur and feeds on his blood. An infestation can
provoke weakness, eczema and other health problem's. The female flea can
lay 20 to 50 eggs per day, which fall from the cats fur everywhere in
the house. In warm temperatures, the eggs hatch approximately 10 days
later. After the larval stage, the adult flea, immediately starts
sucking the blood of its host to live. She dies after 3 weeks, however
the larva is capable of sleeping during the cold season, for almost one
year. Regularly administer anti-flea treatments, this prevents the eggs
hatching and stops the reproduction. There is a variety of treatments
that exist: aerosol, lotion and capsules that can be mixed into their
food. If your cat is infested with fleas, you should scrupulously treat
all the layer of the cats fur and also areas of your house where your
cat normally goes.

Lice
Lice are little insects that are brown in colour, and move slowly along
your cats fur and skin. They live on the cat and slowly lay their eggs.
Anti-flea treatments also fight against fleas

Ticks
Ticks are tiny parasites which belong to the spider family. They usually
affect cats that live in rural areas. Ticks attach them seldes to the
cats fur a couple of day. They do not cause any local irritation, it's
best to remove them since they can transmit diseases. When you see one,
put them to sleep with a bit of ether and remove them with a pair of
tweezers; plucking the hair to prevent the rostrum attached, it could
provoke an abscess.

Ringworm
Ringworm or scabies are provoked by arthropods which are invisible to
the naked eye and are transmitted simply by contact. They feed on the
animals skin or in auricular canal, causing serious irritations. Scabies
can be treated with the proper products.
Cheryl - 02 Oct 2005 23:01 GMT
> Ringworm
> Ringworm or scabies are provoked by arthropods which are
> invisible to the naked eye and are transmitted simply by
> contact. They feed on the animals skin or in auricular canal,
> causing serious irritations. Scabies can be treated with the
> proper products.

I always thought ringworm was a fungus. I was trying to do a search
for winged parasites and came up with nothing likely. Theresa, let us
know when you find out what they are!

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Cheryl

John F. Eldredge - 03 Oct 2005 02:41 GMT
>> Ringworm
>> Ringworm or scabies are provoked by arthropods which are
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>for winged parasites and came up with nothing likely. Theresa, let us
>know when you find out what they are!

Ringworm is a fungus infection.  Scabies is an infestation of tiny
mites.  There are both human and animal forms of the disease, caused
by different species of mites.  In animals, scabies infections are
sometimes called mange.  Animal mites can be transferred to humans and
cause a few days of itching, but the mites then die because they are
on the wrong host.

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wafflycat - 03 Oct 2005 08:10 GMT
>> Ringworm
>> Ringworm or scabies are provoked by arthropods which are
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> for winged parasites and came up with nothing likely. Theresa, let us
> know when you find out what they are!

Indeed ringworm is a fungal infection. Scabies are mites.

Cheers, helen s
Rhonda - 03 Oct 2005 16:43 GMT
>>Ringworm
>>Ringworm or scabies are provoked by arthropods which are
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> for winged parasites and came up with nothing likely. Theresa, let us
> know when you find out what they are!

Yep, ringworm is a fungus. I'm not sure why it was on that website under
parasites.

I was thinking more of the Lice category. I don't know what they look
like, but it just doesn't sound like fleas, and I believe mites are
microscopic.

Rhonda
mlbriggs - 02 Oct 2005 22:46 GMT
>>>>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and
>>>>> I definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

It was just a thought (I am not an expert), but flies will be attracted
to wounds, etc.  Could you identify the type of fly on the internet? MLB
Kreisleriana - 02 Oct 2005 23:15 GMT
>>>>>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and
>>>>>> I definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>It was just a thought (I am not an expert), but flies will be attracted
>to wounds, etc.  Could you identify the type of fly on the internet? MLB

Yes, that makes sense, but fortunately, both are intact from head to
toe-- and both very normal in their behavior.  They are getting vetted
first thing tomrrow morning, but I don't think Ill have a moments
peace till then.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

Make Levees, Not War
mlbriggs - 02 Oct 2005 23:24 GMT
>>>>>>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin,
>>>>>>> and I definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

Just another thought:  If they go outside, perhaps there is a dead
bird that may be attracting flies and they "investigated".Whatever it is,
may it disappear and never come back.   MLB
Exocat - 02 Oct 2005 08:58 GMT
> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
> definitely saw something-- moving.

Youngsters even from the best-run shelters or catteries seem to pick up
fleas or worms extremely easily. Here it's recommended that kittens
are wormed fortnightly/monthly and de-flea'd monthly (5-weekly with
Frontline Combo, my small-animal-specialist TED's current favourite).

Perhaps the insects are picking up on little ones' vulnerability?

Purrs for a speedy resolution
Gordon & the FF
Jo Firey - 02 Oct 2005 17:00 GMT
Here, everyone would get a dose of Advantage on the back of their necks.  No
one would get separated.

Flea eggs vacuum up easily and wash out of bedding easily, so I'd like just
clean the house and forget about it.  But to be sure, I'd set off one of
those little canister bug spray bombs and another one in two weeks.  Cats
don't like this part cause it means they have to go in the car for a couple
of hours while the spray works and while I air out the house.

I usually spray the house if all the cats are going to have to go to the vet
anyway or if they are boarding and we are going out of town.

Jo

> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
> definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War
Ted Davis - 02 Oct 2005 17:31 GMT
>I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>bother me as much as the whole idea of fleas or ticks or whatever the
>baby has, spreading.

The first step in pest control is to identify the pest. The next step
is to apply something that addresses the pest or pests present or
likely with as little broad toxicity as practical.

There are several relatively safe pest treatments for cats, but they
have different ranges of action: Advantage is for fleas and larvae and
nothing else; Frontline Plus is for fleas, flea larvae, and ticks;
Revolution is for fleas, flea eggs and larvae, hook worms, heartworms,
roundworms, and ear mites, but not ticks.  Advocate has a range
similar to Revolution, but is a different formula.

If there are only a few pests, and they are not attached, a flea comb
will usually remove them - a tissue held just ahead of the comb as it
is pulled out will confine the pests.  Fire, alcohol, or soapy water
will dispose of them in the tissue.

Of course, if you can bath the cat, and there is no regular source of
reinfestation, a soapy bath will often solve the problem.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 02 Oct 2005 21:00 GMT
>I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>definitely saw something-- moving.  Damn!  As mundane as it may sound,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Make Levees, Not War

I like Advantage myself.  And if you have a good relationship with
your vet, they may sell you the dog version (same thing), so you can
treat all the kitties if need be for much cheaper.

Ginger-lyn
listening to kittens do the Kitty Wrestling Federation thing yet again
. . .

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Enfilade - 03 Oct 2005 00:33 GMT
> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
> definitely saw something-- moving.

I would suggest that whatever you do, do it to all your cats at once.
by the time we got rid of Smokey's worms (that he had from living
outside eating prey and garbage), he'd managed to give them to
Nocturne.  Ever since, once a year we deworm EVERYONE.

--Fil
Kreisleriana - 03 Oct 2005 04:00 GMT
>> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
>> definitely saw something-- moving.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>--Fil

By all means.  

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

Make Levees, Not War
sriddles@aol.com - 03 Oct 2005 04:35 GMT
> >> I was playing with Dante, and I happened to look under his chin, and I
> >> definitely saw something-- moving.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Theresa

Sounds really weird, Theresa. I thought you meant they were fleas. I
don't think I've ever heard of anything like you describe. Be sure to
give us an update if you find out what the critters are.

Sherry
 
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