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Christina Websell - 27 Sep 2005 21:39 GMT
I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:

"I dislike cats with an intensity you can't imagine as it is. If they cross
my property line, and I catch them, they are dead. may have had something
to do with being bitten by a rabid cat when i was younger.  Also losing a
horse to rabies  by another cat that bit her the same day.. I was watching
the horse graze, and the cat streaked across the field, ran up the horses
leg, and started clawing and biting the horse.
Everything on the farm was exterminated that hadn't been vaccinated.
(Including the pigs) MY cats that I owned, were vaccinated. But since then,
I've taken a very territorial approach, because I've learned that animals
that cross fence lines generally are not vaccinated. If you like your pets,
you keep them home. There  are diseases out there that there are no
vaccinations for.
If it crosses my fence line, and Its not mine, it dies. That simple.
Since then, I've developed a vendetta hatred for cats. I kill them every
chance I get. I can't think of anything I get a greater sense of
accomplishment for than ridding the world of yet another cat. This vendetta
started with the rabies thing,, but it's grown in tsunami intensity from
many experiences since.
I have no problems with people who love their cats enough to keep them
inside only."

She shoots them at every opportunity.

OMG.  Her address is hidden, but you could all say things to her on  the
newsgroup sci.agriculture.poultry where she posts as "diddy"

I have started on her,  now you carry on.

Tweed
-L. - 27 Sep 2005 21:46 GMT
> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
> cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:

<snip>

Prtetty hypocritical of you to bitch and moan when your own precious
group gets "trolled" (your words) yet you invite those same people to
troll a poultry group just because someone there states an opinion you
do not share.  Typical RCPAer.

-L.
Christina Websell - 27 Sep 2005 22:04 GMT
>> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
>> cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -L.

What??  I am inviting people on this cat group to view something they may
not have seen, indeed, it's unlikely that they have, and I am giving them to
opportunity to see it and to post back if they want to.
I do not see a problem with that, Lyn.

Tweed
-L. - 27 Sep 2005 22:12 GMT
> What??  I am inviting people on this cat group to view something they may
> not have seen, indeed, it's unlikely that they have, and I am giving them to
> opportunity to see it and to post back if they want to.

Post back where?  To the poultry group?  It certainly seems that way
from your words, below:

"OMG.  Her address is hidden, but you could all say things to her on
the
newsgroup sci.agriculture.poultry where she posts as "diddy"

I have started on her,  now you carry on. "

> I do not see a problem with that, Lyn.

You see no problem inviting a group of people who don't have interest
in poultry to go to the poultry group and give sh.t to someone because
you don't agree with what she posted?

Or are you stating they shopuld post their commentary here in RPCA and
NOT in the poultry group?

-L.
Christina Websell - 27 Sep 2005 22:36 GMT
>> What??  I am inviting people on this cat group to view something they may
>> not have seen, indeed, it's unlikely that they have, and I am giving them
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> in poultry to go to the poultry group and give sh.t to someone because
> you don't agree with what she posted?

If you agree that she should shoot a cat the second it sets foot on her
land, ignore my previous post.

> Or are you stating they shopuld post their commentary here in RPCA and
> NOT in the poultry group?
>
> -L.

You seem to have deliberately misunderstood.

Tweed
-L. - 28 Sep 2005 07:26 GMT
> > You see no problem inviting a group of people who don't have interest
> > in poultry to go to the poultry group and give sh.t to someone because
> > you don't agree with what she posted?
>
> If you agree that she should shoot a cat the second it sets foot on her
> land, ignore my previous post.

She has every legal right to shoot a cat on her property- and every
moral right if they are killing her foul.

> > Or are you stating they shopuld post their commentary here in RPCA and
> > NOT in the poultry group?
> >
> > -L.
> >
> You seem to have deliberately misunderstood.

Um, no  You are the one who said: "OMG.  Her address is hidden, but you
could all say things to her on the newsgroup sci.agriculture.poultry
where she posts as "diddy."

"I have started on her,  now you carry on. "

I can only assume, then, that you advocate people going over to the
poultry group - who have NO vested interest in poultry - and giving her
sh.t.

You now have absolutely NO right to ever bitch about anyone posting
anything in this newsgroup, ever again.  HYPOCRITE.

-L.
Christina Websell - 28 Sep 2005 18:12 GMT
>> > You see no problem inviting a group of people who don't have interest
>> > in poultry to go to the poultry group and give sh.t to someone because
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> She has every legal right to shoot a cat on her property-

Maybe she does.  This does not make it right, IMO.

> and every
> moral right if they are killing her foul.

Maybe so, as a last resort, but it's *not* a last resort, it's a first one..
The problem I have is that diddy seems to be boasting that she has shot and
killed 65 of her neighbour's cats, just for setting one foot on her
property, not because they were after her fowls, and also that she will
continue to do so.  You condone this, then, Lyn, do you?
It seems so as you lost no time in nipping over to the poultry group and
alerting diddy to the fact that I had "reported" her to the cat groups!!

That's okay as I would probably have told her myself anyway.

>> You seem to have deliberately misunderstood.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> poultry group - who have NO vested interest in poultry - and giving her
> sh.t.

Yes.  Someone who brags about killing cats at every opportunity (and seeming
to enjoy it) deserves it.  Don't they??

> You now have absolutely NO right to ever bitch about anyone posting
> anything in this newsgroup, ever again.  HYPOCRITE.

Please explain what you mean by this.

Tweed
-L. - 28 Sep 2005 18:33 GMT
<snip>

> > and every
> > moral right if they are killing her foul.
>
> Maybe so, as a last resort, but it's *not* a last resort, it's a first one..

She said she has spoken with her neighbors on numerous occasions about
this.

> The problem I have is that diddy seems to be boasting that she has shot and
> killed 65 of her neighbour's cats, just for setting one foot on her
> property, not because they were after her fowls, and also that she will
> continue to do so.  You condone this, then, Lyn, do you?

If cats were killling my chickens, and that was part of my livelihood,
I'd probably shoot them as well.  Unlike you, I don't think cats are
more worthy than any other animal.  The chickens have a right to life
just as the cats do.

But since I don't and never would own a gun, the point is moot, AFAIC.

> It seems so as you lost no time in nipping over to the poultry group and
> alerting diddy to the fact that I had "reported" her to the cat groups!!

You deserved it.  That's total shitty netiquette.

> That's okay as I would probably have told her myself anyway.
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Yes.  Someone who brags about killing cats at every opportunity (and seeming
> to enjoy it) deserves it.  Don't they??

No.  It's a poultry group.  Not a cat group.  Bitch all you want here
about it, but don't send headhunters over there to stir up sh.t.

> > You now have absolutely NO right to ever bitch about anyone posting
> > anything in this newsgroup, ever again.  HYPOCRITE.
>
> Please explain what you mean by this.

Are you reall that daft?  Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to
insist that this newsgrpup remain a safe-haven where no one is taken to
task for what they post, where people protect each other right and left
whether or not they deserve said protection, and then invite people who
have nothing to do with another group over there to stir up sh.t?  What
you did is you trolled the poultry group.  You now have absolutely no
right to scream "troll!" in here.

-L.
Christina Websell - 28 Sep 2005 19:54 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>
> -L.

I have never screamed "troll."  You are in my killfile for 4 weeks and after
that I'll have a look to see if you have anything interesting to say.
Night night <plonk>

Tweed
wafflycat - 28 Sep 2005 18:33 GMT
> "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message

Any chance of ignoring the troll, Tweed???

Cheers, helen s
Christina Websell - 28 Sep 2005 19:04 GMT
>> "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
>
> Any chance of ignoring the troll, Tweed???
>
> Cheers, helen s

Yes, I must, mustn't I?  It just got me so cross, sorry folks.

Tweed
-L. - 28 Sep 2005 22:28 GMT
> > "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
>
> Any chance of ignoring the troll, Tweed???
>
> Cheers, helen s

Yeah, go ahead and lable anyone who disagrees with one of you fuckwads
a troll.  Really open minded of you.  Sheesh.

-L.
Kevin Cannon - 29 Sep 2005 00:56 GMT
> > > "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> -L.

Irony meter: shattered. LMAO
Adrian - 27 Sep 2005 22:46 GMT
>>> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to
>>> kill cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Tweed

Just killfile the bitch! At least don't repost her filth so those of us that
have plonked her don't have to see it.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
A House is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

wafflycat - 28 Sep 2005 06:32 GMT
> Just killfile the bitch! At least don't repost her filth so those of us
> that
> have plonked her don't have to see it.

Seconding that! Remember folks - do not feed the troll!

Cheers, helen s
J. Warrick - 29 Sep 2005 01:02 GMT
> > I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
> > cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> troll a poultry group just because someone there states an opinion you
> do not share.  Typical RCPAer.

Used to be the vitriol only came at night, after she'd had a few.

Pop an extra xanax today, Lyn?

But a better question is: Do these tirades ease Lyn's pain
over aborting her less than stellar career to play house with
a single-eyebrowed, low-income boor with bad breath, spending
her days clipping coupons and cleaning up sh.t?

I think not. But she will keep trying, God help her.
God or somebody. Please. Just let the trainwreck that
goes on and on and on END.
-L. - 29 Sep 2005 07:36 GMT
> Used to be the vitriol only came at night, after she'd had a few.

Yeah, whatever Nancy.  I see you have borrowed the term I used for you:
boor.  Liked it that much, did you?

> Pop an extra xanax today, Lyn?

Never have taken Xanax.  I don't even know what it does, LOL...  Took
Prozac off and on for sleep deprivation for a couple months when DS was
small.  But you don't have kids, so you'd never understand what it is
to be so dedicated to another, to give so selflessly.  Thank God you
don't have kids.

> But a better question is: Do these tirades ease Lyn's pain
> over aborting her less than stellar career to play house

You do the Google thing.  I'm am sure you have seen my publications and
patents.   I wouldn't say being a published scientist is
"less-than-stellar" by any stretch of the imagination.  Besides, I
retired in '99 far before I was married or became a Mom, so I didn't
"abort" anything.

If I were sitting on my a.s all day in some stinky courhouse pouring
through death certificates like you do, I might be ready to shoot
myself, though.  How does it feel to know the only friends you have are
dead?

> with
> a single-eyebrowed,

Dunno where you got that.  His eyebrows are quite separate, as a matter
of fact...if anything, they could be thicker.

>low-income boor

Yep.  Hardware Design Engineers don't make any money.  LOL....not as
compared to, say - history majors...? ;)   Your jealousy is showing.
What is it, Nanny-poo?  Your on-line hatred developed after you got
married, apparently.  Does Hubby-poo beat you?  Does he verbally abuse
you?  Or was it your Mommy who did that?  I am curious where all of
your hatred comes from.  Whay are you so hate-filled, so bitter?  Do
you have cancer too?  Is that your dirty little secret?

>with bad breath,

You keep harping on this.  I said he had morning breath.  I am sure
your morning breath smells like petunias too, LOL...  Actually your
breath probably smells like dog sh.t all the time.  Do you like that
image?  Nancy Carter Moore, AKA Queen Dogshit Breath?  Pretty fitting,
going by what you post.

>spending
> her days clipping coupons and cleaning up sh.t?

I don't do coupons well.  I wish I did.  I'm just not organized enough
to.  And I clean up far more cat and dog sh.t than I do baby sh.t, if
that's what you are referring to.  DS's sh.t is beautiful.  He's
beautiful in every way. *You* even commented on his exterior beauty -
but his beauty inside far exceeds how pretty he is.   He brings me more
joy than anything in the entire world - he's perfect.    That really
burns your a.s, doesn't it?  Pathetic thing you are - no one to love
you and no one to love.  What a sorry life you must lead.  I pity you.
I really do.  Sitting in dank basements, seething in your anger - that
anger which you admitted in private email you can't control.

> I think not. But she will keep trying, God help her.
> God or somebody. Please. Just let the trainwreck that
> goes on and on and on END.

You're really jealous of me, aren't you?  Otherwise, why would you read
every minute detail of my life that I have ever posted to usenet?  Why
do you find me so interesting?  It's because you envy me.  You envy my
life - my beautiful life with my beautiful husband and my beautiful son
- the life I CHOSE.

You, OTOH, are stuck in courthouse basements pouring over musty records
of dead people, trying to make a crumb to scrap by, to pay that
mortgage on that white-trash dump you call a house, in the armpit of
hell, Rawwwwleee Nawwth Cara-liiina, since your husband is evidently
just as poorly paid as you are.  Ha!  Two losers trying to scrape by.
Good luck - I hear the average pay for history majors tops out around
40K...

Enjoy your f.cked-up life, sucker - enjoy it.  Every day you have to
get your scraggly a.s up out of bed and drag it to those dumpy
courthouses, think of me.  Think of me joyfully playing -  singing and
dancing with my son and my husband, HAVING FUN.  Because that's a life
you will NEVER have. Never.

-L.
KD - 29 Sep 2005 11:28 GMT
>> Used to be the vitriol only came at night, after she'd had a few.
>
[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
>
>-L.

Well, I am not Nancy J.Warrick but I must say, you certainly sound
happy.

Is there anyone more venomous posting in these groups?
-L. - 29 Sep 2005 17:55 GMT
> Well, I am not Nancy J.Warrick but I must say, you certainly sound
> happy.
>
> Is there anyone more venomous posting in these groups?

Why don't you go back and read the history of Nancy Carter Moore aka
Mary S. and her history of harassing Cheryl, Megan and I - and Dan and
Monica and anyone else she decides is on her hit list.  The psycho
deserves anything I said to her and more.

-L.
KD - 29 Sep 2005 19:14 GMT
>> Well, I am not Nancy J.Warrick but I must say, you certainly sound
>> happy.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>-L.

You must be kidding. I have been lurking a while and it is clear
that YOU are doing the harassing. Look at your own behavior.
You're obnoxious and every time anyone calls you on it you
blame it on this woman you're obviously obsessed with. You're
one sick person.
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 20:03 GMT
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:14:23 -0400,  wrote:

>>> Well, I am not Nancy J.Warrick but I must say, you certainly sound
>>> happy.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>blame it on this woman you're obviously obsessed with. You're
> one sick person.

Ping!!!!!

We have a winner. L was spanked so bad that she obsesses. I have all
the info I need on her. I wonder how she will like the harassment that
is about to happen.
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
-L. - 29 Sep 2005 20:23 GMT
> Ping!!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> alt.usenet.legends.lamey

Yeah, whatever, Lamey.  Why don't you take a good, hard look at your
friend Nancy.  You two deserve each other.

-L.
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 20:52 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 12:23:12 -0700,  wrote:

>> Ping!!!!!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>-L.
I see nothing wrong, except that you harass and stalk. I have yours,
I'm going to use it, But not here, It'll be a surprise. MmmK?
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
Four Jaw - 29 Sep 2005 21:09 GMT
> On 29 Sep 2005 12:23:12 -0700,  wrote:

> I see nothing wrong, except that you harass and stalk. I have yours,
> I'm going to use it, But not here, It'll be a surprise. MmmK?
> -

Stalking now Lamey?
Dont worry this guy talks big, but with few results!
Miss me?

> GIT-HIM-DONE!
>
> alt.usenet.bellends.lamey

?
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 21:34 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 13:09:55 -0700,  wrote:

>> On 29 Sep 2005 12:23:12 -0700,  wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Dont worry this guy talks big, but with few results!
>Miss me?

It would appear you missed me, Here you are once again humping my
posts, How did it feel with me gone for so long obsesso?
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
Four Jaw - 29 Sep 2005 21:49 GMT
> How did it feel with me gone for so long?
> -

Great!
I sure have had a good week this week.
Not toooooooo much time online though..
But enough of me..Hows my fave dumbFuck troll?

> GIT-HIM-DONE!
>
> alt.usenet.bellends.lamey
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 22:26 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 13:49:47 -0700,  wrote:

>> How did it feel with me gone for so long?
>> -
>
>Great!

Good, Me too.

>I sure have had a good week this week.

Yup, It snowed but I got a little fishen in.

>Not toooooooo much time online though..

Me too, Been on the road. Damn job anyway.

>But enough of me..Hows my fave dumbFuck troll?

Not bad, Got other irons in the fire, But I'll take time to watch you
pick up the peanuts.

Your turn.
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
-L. - 29 Sep 2005 20:21 GMT
> You must be kidding. I have been lurking a while and it is clear
> that YOU are doing the harassing. Look at your own behavior.
> You're obnoxious and every time anyone calls you on it you
> blame it on this woman you're obviously obsessed with. You're
>  one sick person.

Yeah, whatever, Nancy.  I should have Googled before my last reply.
I'm not the one posting YOUR husbands name, YOUR kids name, posting
under YOUR brother's name, where he lives, where YOU have property, ad
nauseum.  You're a stalker, plain and simple.  You're just pissed off
because you don't know who Karma is.  Well, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" is all
I can say about that!  You'll never know, and that's why you keep this
up.

Werll continue - amuse yourself all you want.  You pathetic loser.

-L.
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 20:51 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 12:21:23 -0700,  wrote:

>> You must be kidding. I have been lurking a while and it is clear
>> that YOU are doing the harassing. Look at your own behavior.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>-L.
You think everyone is this Nancy. She lives in your head rent free.
You are the obsessed one. Maybe I'm Nancy you simple nitwit.
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
George Orwell - 29 Sep 2005 21:30 GMT
> Maybe I'm Nancy you simple nitwit.

Don't think so. Nancy isn't talented enough to emulate
your level of stupidity. Nobody is!
Only a real genuine moron can be Lamey - The cable guy.
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 21:36 GMT
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:30:03 +0200 (CEST),  wrote:

>> Maybe I'm Nancy you simple nitwit.
>
>Don't think so. Nancy isn't talented enough to emulate
>your level of stupidity. Nobody is!
>Only a real genuine moron can be Lamey - The cable guy.

And here's Georgio, fetching the peanuts for me.That's a good little
monkey.

............>

Go fetch monkeyboi.
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
-L. - 29 Sep 2005 21:39 GMT
> You think everyone is this Nancy. She lives in your head rent free.
> You are the obsessed one. Maybe I'm Nancy you simple nitwit.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> alt.usenet.legends.lamey

No, you're just one of her succubi. (Look it up.)

-L.
Will Glover - 29 Sep 2005 22:28 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 13:39:08 -0700,  wrote:

>> You think everyone is this Nancy. She lives in your head rent free.
>> You are the obsessed one. Maybe I'm Nancy you simple nitwit.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>-L.
It that anywhere near Tualatin?
Lamey - The cable guy - 29 Sep 2005 20:01 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 09:55:08 -0700,  wrote:

>> Well, I am not Nancy J.Warrick but I must say, you certainly sound
>> happy.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>-L.
And you deserve what is about to happen, You should not make it
personal, But you did, so now I'm gonna play. Watch yer back.
-

GIT-R-DONE!

alt.usenet.legends.lamey
-L. - 30 Sep 2005 01:53 GMT
> Used to be the vitriol only came at night, after she'd had a few.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> God or somebody. Please. Just let the trainwreck that
> goes on and on and on END.

Oh, lookie!  More proof that J. Warrick is Nancy aka "Mary S."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/36a405ecf99a562d?d
mode=source


She says stole the term "single-eyebrowed lout" from "one of her
political groups":

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/4799bf77c32593e4?d
mode=source


As if there was any doubt...a festering pig never changes its
stripes...

-L.
Will Glover - 30 Sep 2005 15:31 GMT
On 29 Sep 2005 17:53:23 -0700,  wrote:

>> Used to be the vitriol only came at night, after she'd had a few.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>-L.

So I had pineapple juice this morning, Ya hungry?
Karen - 27 Sep 2005 22:01 GMT
> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to
> kill cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Tweed

I have seen diddy post elsewhere. Did not know she had such
unreasonable hatred of cats. She does not sound stable. It is not
reasonable to believe all cats have rabies because of one incident.
However, it is sad to say there are certianly many people who are like
this here :( It is indeed a reason  to keep cats indoors.
Pat - 27 Sep 2005 23:03 GMT
> > OMG.  Her address is hidden, but you could all say things to her on
> > the newsgroup sci.agriculture.poultry where she posts as "diddy"

> I have seen diddy post elsewhere. Did not know she had such
> unreasonable hatred of cats. She does not sound stable. It is not
> reasonable to believe all cats have rabies because of one incident.
> However, it is sad to say there are certianly many people who are like
> this here :( It is indeed a reason  to keep cats indoors.

All I want to know is where she lives, so I can avoid ever inadvertenly
becoming her neighbor. A good photowould help, too, in case she ever moves
near me, so she may meet with an unfortunate accident before she can do any
further damage to felinity.
Helen Miles - 27 Sep 2005 22:59 GMT
> "I dislike cats with an intensity you can't imagine as it is. If they cross
> my property line, and I catch them, they are dead.///

I know of an individual who shoots cats as they cross his lawn so they
don't use it as a litter box. He told me with great delight what a crack
shot he was and how it was a humane way of killing them. This is a man
who adores his dogs. He mentioned that his neighbour was looking for the
cat he shot for 3 weeks.

Unfortunately, I don't know the exact address where he lives and I have
no solid proof, just his word. Otherwise the RSPCA and police would be
around his house so f*cking fast, he wouldn't be able to breathe.
Needless to say, I'm working on it.

B@stard.

Helen M
223rem - 29 Sep 2005 06:32 GMT
 of an individual who shoots cats as they cross his lawn so they
> don't use it as a litter box. He told me with great delight what a crack
> shot he was and how it was a humane way of killing them.

He was bullshitting you. It is illegal to fire a firearm within city/town limits.
Adrian - 29 Sep 2005 09:34 GMT
>   of an individual who shoots cats as they cross his lawn so they
>> don't use it as a litter box. He told me with great delight what a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> He was bullshitting you. It is illegal to fire a firearm within
> city/town limits.

Not where Helen lives, unfortunately. :-(
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Helen Miles - 29 Sep 2005 11:27 GMT

> He was bullshitting you. It is illegal to fire a firearm within city/town limits.

No, he wasn't. He has a shotgun and a 2.2 rifle licence and keeps the
guns on his property. I'm in the UK. As long as he has a licence he is
allowed to own a gun/rifle.

Helen M
223rem - 29 Sep 2005 14:47 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> guns on his property. I'm in the UK. As long as he has a licence he is
> allowed to own a gun/rifle.

Still, if he lives in a town, he simply isnt allowed fire a shotgun
or a rifle(!) across his lawn. Think about it.

If he lives on a farm, then its something else.
Duke of URL - 27 Sep 2005 23:01 GMT
Christina Websell @ spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk

> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to
> kill cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:

I'm not. Not after readihg the quote below. An experience like that w;ould
probably set ANYONE's mind against the particular animal.

> "may have had
> something to do with being bitten by a rabid cat when i was younger. Also
> losing a horse to rabies  by another cat that bit her the same
> day."
Yowie - 27 Sep 2005 23:12 GMT
> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
> cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> I have started on her,  now you carry on.

This sounds more like she has something akin to a phobia of cats,
manifesting itself as an irrational hatred. Still, I have a certain sympathy
for her, losing her horse and a large amount of livestock to cat attacks.
Whether we like it or not, she is well within her rights (as I understand
them) to shoot a trespassing animal on her property. People kill foxes for
very similar reasons. Heck, any arachnid that dares show tis face in my
house is dead, too, which would no doubt upset arachniphiles.

Whilst I have a bit of a suspicion that the original message was actually a
troll for cat lovers reading the group, I am not going to go over there and
"start on her" even if it is genuine. For one thing, the folks on the
poultry board need to deal with it without a whole bunch of RPCA people
suddenly turning up with flamey posts (we just went throughour own invasion,
and it wasn't pleasant), and secondly, rather than getting angry about
people who are well within their rights to do something we don't approve of,
we should perhaps take this as something we, as cat lovers, need to address.
After all, they are our cats, and we have to take responsibility for their
actions, including the socially unacceptable ones.

Simply put, if you know your neihgbour is going to shoot your cat if your
cat gets onto your their property, then its up to *you* to ensure that
*your* cat doesn't trespass. Yelling at the neighbour, calling them insane
or a cat hater, or whatever else youwant to do to show your displeasure at
their actions isn't going to help your cat once it crosses the property
line. Your cat, your responsibility.

Yowie
223rem - 29 Sep 2005 06:26 GMT
> Heck, any arachnid that dares show tis face in my
> house is dead, too, which would no doubt upset arachniphiles.

That's so stupid. Spiders prey on flies and mosquitoes, it not in
your interest to kill them.
Yowie - 01 Oct 2005 12:59 GMT
>> Heck, any arachnid that dares show tis face in my house is dead, too,
>> which would no doubt upset arachniphiles.
>
> That's so stupid. Spiders prey on flies and mosquitoes, it not in
> your interest to kill them.

Yes, I know! But kill them I do because I"m terrified of them. If there was
another person in this house who would just collect them and take them
outside, I'd encourage them to deal with the  spider that comes in, but
there isn't someone who can do that here, and therefore I kill them out of
fear.

Which is my point. Being an arachnophobe, I kill spiders despite the fact I
know its not rational to do so (although in my defense, there are three
utterly deadly spider species where I live [1] that just love to come in
houses). The person who was shooting cats had an experience that suggested
he or she suffered from ailuriphobia and her shooting of said cats was not
something he or she did out of sadistic pleasure, or indeed in cold blood,
but out of an irrational fear of cats.

Yowie
[1] The red back, the funnel web and the white tail are the three lethal
spiders in these parts. There are also other types of spiders, such as the
huntsman, mouse spider and the wolf spider, which, whilst a bite isn't
fatal, can be extremely painful and make a person very sick. Then there are
the various snakes, jellyfish and monotremes which all carry lethal venom,
and a few plants that will cause agonising burns if you brush past them. And
then there are the animals that, whilst not venomous, can still kill and/or
maim humans without a second thought.

Gotta love Australia!
sriddles@aol.com - 01 Oct 2005 16:30 GMT
> >> Heck, any arachnid that dares show tis face in my house is dead, too,
> >> which would no doubt upset arachniphiles.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Gotta love Australia!

Spiders are kinda like snakes. The bad ones give them all a bad rep and
people just want to kill all of them. I like spiders. Especially the
argiope, they are fascinating to watch. They are a beautiful
yellow/black pattern, and "write" in their web. They're nicknamed "the
writing spider." I always have one at the back door, every year. You
should watch her catch a fly & wrap it. She is so fast! But we do have
black widows and fiddlebacks (brown recluse). I kill them on sight. But
I keep the argiope and leave her alone. She comes around mid-summer,
makes an egg sac, then dies in October. Here's a pic of this year's
back-door argiope:
http://members.aol.com/ldriddles/argiope.jpg

Sherry
wafflycat - 01 Oct 2005 20:06 GMT
> Which is my point. Being an arachnophobe, I kill spiders despite the fact
> I know its not rational to do so (although in my defense, there are three
> utterly deadly spider species where I live [1] that just love to come in
> houses).

Yowie, dear friend, if I lived in the fine Land Down Under, I'd be killing
spiders. avoiding snakes like the plague, I'd not so much as put a toe in
water and I'd do unspeakable deeds to the most dangerous wildlife of all.
Irwinus Crocbothererii. I would however, be enjoying vast quantities of
Vegemite on hot buttered toast ;-)

hugs, helen s ;-)
Tish Silberbauer - 02 Oct 2005 04:19 GMT
>[1] The red back, the funnel web and the white tail are the three lethal
>spiders in these parts. There are also other types of spiders, such as the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Gotta love Australia!

Just to put in a small correction - white-tailed spiders do not have
fatally poisonous bites; they have suffered from bad press and the
self-aggrandizement of a spider toxicologist who used the press
coverage he got from publicizing their "danger" to better himself.
Like all spider bites, they carry their fair share of bacteria, etc,
on their fangs, but the reports of narcotic lesions has not been
proven at all.  People *do* get narcotic lesions from some bites, but
they almost never get to actually see what bit them and, with all the
publicity, generally blame it on the poor old white-tails without
actually looking for the culprit.  

The other two friendly residents of Yowie's neighbourhood, the redback
(known in the USA as the black widow) and the famed Sydney funnelweb,
do have bites that are dangerous - particularly the male funnelweb.

The spiders are the reason Australia has no bears - they scared them
off!

Tish
Karen - 02 Oct 2005 06:03 GMT
>> [1] The red back, the funnel web and the white tail are the three
>> lethal spiders in these parts. There are also other types of spiders,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Tish

I forgot this is your field!
Yowie - 02 Oct 2005 08:03 GMT
>>[1] The red back, the funnel web and the white tail are the three lethal
>>spiders in these parts. There are also other types of spiders, such as the
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> The spiders are the reason Australia has no bears - they scared them
> off!

Well, except for the dreaded drop bears!

:-D

Yowie
Kreisleriana - 02 Oct 2005 08:08 GMT
>>>[1] The red back, the funnel web and the white tail are the three lethal
>>>spiders in these parts. There are also other types of spiders, such as the
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Well, except for the dreaded drop bears!

When I was in Oz, we went to the koala sanctuary at Tidbinbilla (ACT),
and wandered around for quite awhile without seeing a koala. although
several were supposedly out and about.  After awhile we were alerted
to their locations by their droppings hitting the ground.  We referred
to them as the "dropping bears."  ;)  And boy, did we dread them! ;)

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Yoj - 02 Oct 2005 08:49 GMT
> >>[1] The red back, the funnel web and the white tail are the three lethal
> >>spiders in these parts. There are also other types of spiders, such as the
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > The spiders are the reason Australia has no bears - they scared them
> > off!

Although they may well be related, our black widow doesn't look quite the
same as your redback (at least if the picture on the sweatshirt I got in
Alice is accurate).  The red on the back of the black widow is shaped like
an hourglass.

Joy
wafflycat - 02 Oct 2005 09:10 GMT
> Although they may well be related, our black widow doesn't look quite the
> same as your redback (at least if the picture on the sweatshirt I got in
> Alice is accurate).  The red on the back of the black widow is shaped like
> an hourglass.
>
> Joy

"There was a redback on the toilet seat when I went there last night. I
couldn't see it in the dark, but boy I felt its bite..."

Cheers, helen s
John F. Eldredge - 02 Oct 2005 14:47 GMT
>> Although they may well be related, our black widow doesn't look quite the
>> same as your redback (at least if the picture on the sweatshirt I got in
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Cheers, helen s

Back in the day when most Americans lived in the country rather than
city, and generally had outhouses rather than flush toilets, black
widow spiders were notorious for living on the underside of outhouse
seats.  These days, most black widow bites happen when people are
moving items that have been stored outdoors, and have been undisturbed
long enough for the spiders to take up residence.

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Yowie - 04 Oct 2005 12:57 GMT
>>> Although they may well be related, our black widow doesn't look quite
>>> the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> moving items that have been stored outdoors, and have been undisturbed
> long enough for the spiders to take up residence.

I came to Australia in 1975 from England, where there had been indoor
plumbing since goodness knows when.

We stayed at my Uncle's house for a few days, and although it was a
perfectly normal suburban house, it had a dunny. A dunny is basically a big
tin can with a toilet seat on top, and it was emptied every week by the
"dunny man" who, the oor sod, got to pick up the full to the brim tin can,
cart it out from the outhouse in the back yard to the truck waiting in the
street out the front, and pour the contents of said tin can into the truck
so it could be processes at a sewage works.

My Uncle, Aunt and four cousins were all completley used to such a toilet,
and didn't think anything more of it. But our family - both parents, plus me
(4.5 and my suster, 3) all got an incredible case of constipation that week.

Most peope in suburban Australia have proper plumbing now, although many
people in outer suburbia still have septic systems (I think Tish has). And
out in the bush, where there is no "Dunny service", they just dig big pits,
and fill them in when they are full. The flies that hang around such places
are *astounding* - no wonder they are a classic hang out for spiders!

Yowie
Shiral - 28 Sep 2005 06:58 GMT
All I can say is, I'm glad that I keep my cats indoors, and that I
don't live near that woman. If she doesn't want cats on her property,
she could throw water balloons at them  instead of shooting them.  My
brother kept cats off his property that way, and it was quite
effective. After a wetting or two, the cat learned not to come back,
but they were unharmed.

Melissa
singh - 28 Sep 2005 12:50 GMT
I read in one of the recent editions of the Farmers' Almanac that if you
put citrus peelings around the property, it would repel cats; supposedly
they don't like the smell of citrus. Like the water balloons or a
Super-Soaker, sounds like a far better alternative to the shotgun! Of
course, I don't know how true the citrus-smell thing is; I wear citrus
based cologne all the time, and my cats don't seem to mind.

Blessed be,
Baha

> All I can say is, I'm glad that I keep my cats indoors, and that I
> don't live near that woman. If she doesn't want cats on her property,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Melissa
-L. - 28 Sep 2005 07:47 GMT
> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
> cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Tweed

You conveniently left this part out:

"I lost 30 birds last spring to cats. I lost 75 before that. ALL last
years
attempts were eaten by the neighbors cats. I finally got around that by
raising the young ones in my basement."

If she is losing that many chickens to cats, she has every right to
shoot them.  Just because YOU put a greater value on the life of a cat
than you do a bird, that's YOUR problem - not any one else's.

-L.
Christina Websell - 28 Sep 2005 21:46 GMT
>> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
>> cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> -L.

This is my last post on the subject.  Diddy is a new poultry keeper and has
a lot to learn.  I have kept and bred poultry for many years, and I do not
lose the young ones to cats or any other predator because while they are
vulnerable I keep them in runs with a lidded roof and a concrete floor.
It would be asking for trouble if I didn't.  My own cats might easily take
the chicks, let alone anyone else's cats.  Kitty FC definitely would.

I cannot condone anyone shooting 65 neighbour's cats under any
circumstances. It would be a police matter here.  Even if a neighbour shot
*one*  it's not allowed.

Tweed
-L. - 28 Sep 2005 22:27 GMT
> This is my last post on the subject.

Yeah, I''l bet.

> Diddy is a new poultry keeper and has
> a lot to learn.  I have kept and bred poultry for many years, and I do not
> lose the young ones to cats or any other predator because while they are
> vulnerable I keep them in runs with a lidded roof and a concrete floor.
> It would be asking for trouble if I didn't.  My own cats might easily take
> the chicks, let alone anyone else's cats.  Kitty FC definitely would.

Did you ever try educating Diddy?  Or was your only action to run back
to your home turf and stir up trolls to attack her with?

> I cannot condone anyone shooting 65 neighbour's cats under any
> circumstances. It would be a police matter here.  Even if a neighbour shot
> *one*  it's not allowed.

BTW, I love the fact that you point out Diddy is *American*.  Feeling a
bit of Brit superiority, are we?   And just a we bit prejudiced,
perhaps?   Let me explain it to ya, honey.  Animals that roam free here
can be shot on sight, on the shooter's own property.  If people don't
want their animals shot, they shouldn't let them roam.  It really is
that simple.  That is why I never advocate outdoor cats unless
conditions are such that they will never encounter another's property.

-L.
sriddles@aol.com - 29 Sep 2005 00:04 GMT
> I am shocked that this (American) person takes every opportunity to kill
> cats.  A relatively new person on my poultry group says:

It horrifies me that anyone could shoot a cat for being what they
consider a nuisance.
That said, I don't know why the distinction of "American" came up.
There are icky people everywhere.

Sherry
223rem - 29 Sep 2005 06:28 GMT
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