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CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 15:11 GMT
For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
St. Bernard Parish residents are being allowed back home today and tomorrow.

My daughter, Erin, had to rush to throw everything into her van last night,
along with the children (they'll stay at their great aunt's house with their
grandmother while Erin and my SIL go down into the parish, and this will be
their only chance to see their Dad for a long time since he went back to his
old job there).  She got in to he New Orleans area about 11:00PM.

Anyway, one of their neighbors got home before they did (they've been
waiting in line in their car since 3:00AM).  The neighbor called SIL's cell
and said that before he even went into his own house he walked over to see
if Digger was in their yard and even pushed open the dog door to see if he
could smell dead animal in their house (is that a good neighbor, or
what!!?).  He didn't see or smell any signs of Digger, so he went back to
his own house.  When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to him!
He didn't look starved (except for affection).  Their neighbor said he even
looked like he'd *gained* a little weight).  He either tore into the huge
bags of food my daughter kept in the utility room, or was hunting rabbits,
squirrels, and other wild game.

His last heartworm medication was on August 23rd, so he'll have to be vetted
as soon as he gets here, but he appears to be fine!!!!!!!!!!!

Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...

DH says that my daughter's dogs will have to stay outside with MIL's dogs.
I said no, my daughter's dogs 1) would be attacked by those vicious,
untrained beasts (I'm really *NOT* joking - they will attack strange
*people* and can't be called off, I can imagine what they'll do to strange
dogs - I really am so afraid of them, since they're so uncontrollable, that
I won't go into my own back yard), 2) are better behaved and house-trained
than some *HUMANS* I know (hint, hint), so *THEY* don't chase my cats or pee
and poop all over my carpets, and 3) Gypsy is very old and she has been
through the most traumatic experience anyone could imagine and it would be
unfair to make her stay outside in a strange place with unfriendly dogs.

I compromised and said Digger could stay in the yard because, being a
Rottweiller, he would probably more than hold his own if those dogs attacked
him, and he's just a puppy (though a *HUGE* puppy) and could probably adapt
just fine.

DH won't compromise - he keeps telling me that I'm favoring my daughter over
his mother and sister.

And just to make things funner - my mom might come to live with us also
(which doesn't bother me 'cause she's where I get my neat freakness from),
but will still put a strain on an already strained household.

Hugs,

Lori
Karen - 26 Sep 2005 15:26 GMT
Gypsy is much to old to be out there. Plus, Gypsy and Digger underwent an
ordeal. MIL's dogs have not. Best argument, only reason MIL's dogs are out
there is because they are untrained. If MIL would train them then they would
be welcome.

> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
> allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
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>
> Lori
wafflycat - 26 Sep 2005 15:52 GMT
> Gypsy is much to old to be out there. Plus, Gypsy and Digger underwent an
> ordeal. MIL's dogs have not. Best argument, only reason MIL's dogs are out
> there is because they are untrained. If MIL would train them then they
> would
> be welcome.

Couldn't have put it better...

Cheers, helen s
Wendy - 26 Sep 2005 15:28 GMT
> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to
> look"
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>
> Lori

Are you the only relative they have that wasn't flooded out? Those who had
flood insurance might be covered for temporary housing. Have them check -
particularly MIL lol. Unless you've got a house to rival Buckingham Palace I
would imagine the inn is just about full.

W
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 15:56 GMT
> Are you the only relative they have that wasn't flooded out? Those who had
> flood insurance might be covered for temporary housing. Have them check -
> particularly MIL lol. Unless you've got a house to rival Buckingham Palace I
> would imagine the inn is just about full.
>
> W

Yes.  I am the only member of my family who didn't live in St. Bernard
Parish - ground zero for Katrina.

To understand the situation you'd have to understand that Louisiana is
unlike any other state in the union or any other country in the world.
People there are *SO* insular that they can't imagine living anywhere else
in the world.  And family there is the be-all and end-all of their existence
(it's almost like your family is just an extension of yourself).

For various reasons, I didn't absorb that attitude as I grew up*.  I was
able, somehow, to see the nastiness, corruption, and filth there.  I always
hated Louisiana and did everything in my power to get away from there (and I
finally did in 1990).

Their rationale is that...

1) Family doesn't even have to be asked before showing up on their doorstep
for help - no matter what that help may involve, e.g. money, room and board,
anything!  Help *will* be given and no thanks are necessary.

2) Why pay for something that your family can give you for free**?  I am, by
far, not the only person in Houston who is hosting multiple families until
they can rebuild New Orleans and the surrounding parishes.

My niece had only 2 feet of water in her home, so my brother's entire family
will get her house fixed first and then they will all stay there with her
until they can (all of the together) rebuild each of their other homes
(everyone else's homes have to be bulldozed).  My poor niece will have about
25 people staying with her while the other homes are being built one by one.

*Except that I seem to be unable to kick relative out of my house even when
they are being downright abusive guests.

**I can understand this - every penny they get will be needed to rebuild
their lives - FEMA, insurance, and Red Cross is nowhere near enough to build
an entire new home and buy everything that goes in it.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Gracecat - 26 Sep 2005 16:14 GMT
>> Are you the only relative they have that wasn't flooded out? Those who
>> had
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>
> CatNipped

Actually I don't see anything wrong with not wishing to live anywhere else.
I live next door to my family. I guess I bought into the same philosophy.

May not have worked for you CN, but it's not a disease either.

Grace
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 16:31 GMT
> >> Are you the only relative they have that wasn't flooded out? Those who
> >> had
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>
> Grace

No, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it was wrong - just different.
It's not always understood by people who live elsewhere.  And, actually, the
family part still applies to me - I just couldn't overlook/overcome the bad
things about living in Louisiana in order to stay living close to my family.

Also, I know that other parts of Louisiana are not filthy, corrupt, and
downright nasty like New Orleans and some of the surrounding parishes.  I'm
sad to say the firing of assault rifles on rescue helicopters disgusted me,
but it didn't surprise me.

Hugs,

CatNipped
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2005 20:46 GMT
> Actually I don't see anything wrong with not wishing to live anywhere else.
> I live next door to my family. I guess I bought into the same philosophy.
>
> May not have worked for you CN, but it's not a disease either.

I think that depends upon one's point of view!  (I believe
in trying to maintain a cordial relationship with everyone,
but NOT at the expense of my own needs and self-esteem.)
wafflycat - 26 Sep 2005 17:17 GMT
> To understand the situation you'd have to understand that Louisiana is
> unlike any other state in the union or any other country in the world.
> People there are *SO* insular that they can't imagine living anywhere else
> in the world.  And family there is the be-all and end-all of their
> existence
> (it's almost like your family is just an extension of yourself).

The village I live in has residents who have not been to the nearest city,
25 miles away for over 20 years... I kid you not. The coffee morning I
attend on a Wednesday, when I go by bike has similar where the local
residents will not travel out of the county - period. Lovely people, but
extremely insular.

There's a part of the UK not far from me, the fens, where inbreeding used to
remarkably common not that long ago, and we aren't talking inbreeding of the
pets... There are people who will refuse to acknowledge 'strangers' in the
community where the definition of a stranger means someone who was not born
here. They may have lived here 20 years or more, but they are not 'one of
us'

Family can be fine - if you all respect each other, love each other and are
prepared to accept differences and give each other space, but if the family
doesn't, well, such closeness can be h*ll and incredibly suffocating. It's
not out of fun I refer to my family as The Borgias.... I am *so glad* I
managed to put a couple of hundred miles between me & my 'family'. Life is
*so* much better when the mileage is large ;-) I, of course, have forgotten
my roots and am the blacksheep of the family - and boy, am I glad of that -
it means I'm left alone to get on with my life (large sigh of relief!)

Cheers, helen s
mlbriggs - 26 Sep 2005 19:25 GMT
>> Are you the only relative they have that wasn't flooded out? Those who
>> had flood insurance might be covered for temporary housing. Have them
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>
> CatNipped

Another old saying:    You can choose your friends, but you are stuck with
your relatives".      In your own home, you should "call the shots".  Best
wishes and may you have lots of puppy love.   MLB
Shiral - 26 Sep 2005 20:01 GMT
Well.... my hat is off to your niece, CN, and to you also. I know it's
been a disaster unlike any other and that it will take time for the
people to rebuild their lives after losing almost every thing they
possessed, but I'd be going mad living with even FIVE people for a long
period of time. I could do a short stint of emergency shelter but oy!

But I'm delighted that Digger too, is safe and well!  =o) I'm with
Karen. Gypsy and Digger need to be near their family, and they have
proved they are good houseguests. And they have been through an ordeal.
When you MIL gets off her duff and bothers to TRAIN her dogs so that
they can behave in the house, then they can come in, too. And with as
many people as you have living at your place now, you do NOT need dogs
attacking adults and children indoors on top of everything else.

Melissa
Steve Touchstone - 30 Sep 2005 09:32 GMT
<snip>
>Family doesn't even have to be asked before showing up on their doorstep
>for help - no matter what that help may involve, e.g. money, room and board,
>anything!  Help *will* be given and no thanks are necessary.
<snip>
My family is like that in many respects. Many of my Aunts, Uncles, and
cousins on my Dad's side of the family are still living in and around
the old family farm in SE Oklahoma. On my Mother's side, they all left
Oklahoma during the depression - heading for Oregon, but never made it
further than California. All the adult males left and found work in
Calif, and once they were established brought the women and kids.

Any of my relatives would expect me to put them up if they come to
town, and almost be insulted if I visited their town and checked into
a motel. The thing that gets me is that it sounds like it's a one way
street in your family. You're expected to cook and clean for them,
while they're "guests". Whenever my family gets together no one
expects to be treated as a guest - everyone pitches in with the
cooking/cleaning.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 30 Sep 2005 20:40 GMT
> Any of my relatives would expect me to put them up if they come to
> town, and almost be insulted if I visited their town and checked into
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> expects to be treated as a guest - everyone pitches in with the
> cooking/cleaning.

And in mine had to be almost forcibly discouraged from doing
so, even if it was just a "family" dinner! (Thanksgiving, etc.)
theresa - 26 Sep 2005 15:30 GMT
That is wonderful news!  I'm so happy both dogs made it through, and
that your SIL still has a job to go back to.
Have to agree with you, the MIL's dogs should stay outside.

Theresa
meee - 27 Sep 2005 05:26 GMT
Maybe your husband shouldn't be favouring his mother and sister over you and
your daughter!! Good on you for helping your family, but you are within your
rights to maintain some kind of order in an already chaotic household.
jmcquown - 26 Sep 2005 15:44 GMT
> that a good neighbor, or what!!?).  He didn't see or smell any signs
> of Digger, so he went back to his own house.  When he walked into his
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>
> Lori

I'm soooo glad Digger is safe and sound!  I do agree with you; if your MIL's
dogs are so untrained and unfriendly, Gypsy (and probably Digger, too) don't
need to be penned up with them.  When will MIL be able to go back home?

Jill
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 16:07 GMT
> > that a good neighbor, or what!!?).  He didn't see or smell any signs
> > of Digger, so he went back to his own house.  When he walked into his
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Jill

She was able to go weekend before last - she chose not to.  She had planned
to go stay with her sister, closer to home, so she could get into the parish
when it was her turn to go look at her house.  It was her turn weekend
before last but I overheard her telling the insurance adjuster (who wanted
to meet her at her house to assess the damages) that she just wasn't ready
to go back yet.

Hugs,

CatNipped
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 18:54 GMT
> > > that a good neighbor, or what!!?).  He didn't see or smell any signs
> > > of Digger, so he went back to his own house.  When he walked into his
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>
> CatNipped

I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying here
forever!!!!!  :<

Hugs,

CatNipped
wafflycat - 26 Sep 2005 19:12 GMT
> I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
> face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying
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>
> CatNipped

This is when you put Plan B into action... salt in the pudding instead of
sugar... when cooking make stuff she doesn't like... have control of the TV
remote at all times... ruin her clothing when it's in the laundry... hot
iron on that delicate fabric blouse...

Do you require any more ideas?

Cheers, helen s
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 19:18 GMT
> > I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
> > face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying
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>
> Cheers, helen s

LOL!  Yep, I guess if I were her I wouldn't want to leave right now either -
free room and board with maid service!

Hugs,

CatNipped
wafflycat - 26 Sep 2005 19:23 GMT
> LOL!  Yep, I guess if I were her I wouldn't want to leave right now
> either -
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>
> CatNipped

You see, that's where you are going wrong ;-) In these troubled times
everyone should be pitching in to help - so she should be doing chores
around the house. If she doesn't, she doesn't get fed. It took me *years* to
get the courage up to tell my family to go take a hike over the way they
treated me but boy, I am I glad I did!

Cheers, helen s
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2005 21:07 GMT
>> LOL!  Yep, I guess if I were her I wouldn't want to leave right now
>> either -
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> *years* to get the courage up to tell my family to go take a hike over
> the way they treated me but boy, I am I glad I did!

Yeah - bad enough if one's own parents behave that way (my
mom was always well-intentioned, but no one was quite so
expert at laying a guilt-trip on her offspring).  But to  be
that taken for granted by in-laws? NO WAY!!!!!
Wendy - 27 Sep 2005 01:02 GMT
>> LOL!  Yep, I guess if I were her I wouldn't want to leave right now
>> either -
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>
> Cheers, helen s

That's the ticket - chores. Chores are good. I've got a perfect one for her.
She can shovel the doggy doo in the back yard. :o)

W
Karen - 26 Sep 2005 19:28 GMT
> > > I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
> > > face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying
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>
> CatNipped

What if you dropped cable?
meee - 27 Sep 2005 05:33 GMT
> > > I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
> > > face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying
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>
> CatNipped

Ideas: 1) Whoops! Sorry, mum, I forgot you were allergic to peanuts!
          2) Start buying really stinky room deodorant; cheap $2 aftershave
should             do the trick
           3) Borrow someone else's teens for the weekend-tell them to
bring                    their cd's and movies
           4)Get someone to drive a backfiring car up and down your street
every             night from 3-4am
           5) Infest her room with cockroaches
           6)If worst comes to worst, burn every meal and stop changing the
bed             sheets until she leaves. If she complains, just swap the
bedsheets on her             and her daughters beds around indefinitely.
Disgusting I know, but                     terribly effective.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 26 Sep 2005 23:43 GMT
> > I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
> > face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Cheers, helen s

Starched pantyhose?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2005 21:02 GMT
> I just asked her again what her plans are and she just shrugged, made a
> face, and said "I don't know".  So apparently she's planning on staying here
> forever!!!!!  :<

Since you are apparently contributing to the finances,
perhaps you might tell your DH "either they go or I do"?  I
believe in "keeping peace in the family", but NOT if all the
concessions must be on my side!  You might point out that
there's no law compelling you to take them in, whatever
their situation.  A suggestion that they might try being a
bit considerate - something one has a right to expect of ANY
houseguests, relatives or not - might get results (if they
take offense and leave in a huff, so much the better, IMO).
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2005 20:43 GMT
> She was able to go weekend before last - she chose not to.  She had planned
> to go stay with her sister, closer to home, so she could get into the parish
> when it was her turn to go look at her house.  It was her turn weekend
> before last but I overheard her telling the insurance adjuster (who wanted
> to meet her at her house to assess the damages) that she just wasn't ready
> to go back yet.

You know, there's really no law that you must cater to all
your in-laws, just because you married one of their
relatives.  (One argument for merely living together without
the legal knot, IMO, is that you can opt out, and needn't
put up with unreasonable demands by your significant other's
relations!)
KittyLady - 26 Sep 2005 15:54 GMT
What wonderfull new! Through it all Digger was still protecting home. I
am glad that he was found and is safe. I agree any untrained animal
should be kept outside and after what Gypsy and Digger have been
through they should be waited on paw and tail. LOL.
Skritches,
KittyLady
> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
> allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
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>
> Lori
Nan - 26 Sep 2005 15:59 GMT
I'm so glad that Digger was found safe and sound, and I agree with you
about the MIL's dogs needing to stay outside while Gypsy and Digger
get to stay inside.  If MIL's dogs were housetrained it might be
different, but since they aren't the best place for them is OUTSIDE!

The furkids are purring here for this to all to be resolved before
divorce papers are served.

>For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
>allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
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>
>Lori

Purrs and Hugs,

Nan and the felinity felines

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a fool talks because he has to say something.
Kate - 26 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT
So thrilled to hear that Digger has been found safe and sound too.

It is marvellous news (I have tears of joy in my eyes).

I agree that Gypsy and Digger deserve to be able to stay indoors after
all they've been through.

Hugs
Kate
Adrian - 26 Sep 2005 16:38 GMT
<snip>

That's wonderful news about Digger, I'd hoped it would just be a matter of
time after Gypsy was found. I'm so happy they're both OK.

Stick to your guns about letting Gypsy in the house, get your grandchildren
to gang up with you. In _this_ case I think your husband is being
unreasonable.

Purrs for everything to be resolved peacefully.
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Pat - 26 Sep 2005 16:46 GMT
> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
> allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
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>
> Lori

Hey, Lori, like I said before (in a post on the catslaves group), you're
welcome to come up here for a spell and let your relatives fend for
themselves, and let me now add that you can go ahead and bring the dogs with
you. I think the break would be good for you.
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 16:53 GMT
> Hey, Lori, like I said before (in a post on the catslaves group), you're
> welcome to come up here for a spell and let your relatives fend for
> themselves, and let me now add that you can go ahead and bring the dogs with
> you. I think the break would be good for you.

I appreciate the offer, but I can't - I have to earn the money to feel all
these mouths!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Irulan - 26 Sep 2005 18:02 GMT
God works in mysterious ways. So glad both dogs are ok. Hope the
circumstances don't cause much ado in your household when they both get
there. Good luck! Very happy for you.
Lily & her mama
Jazz, RB

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> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to
> look"
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>
> Lori
Jo Firey - 26 Sep 2005 18:39 GMT
You are not favoring one relative over another.  You are favoring one DOG
over others,  With good reason.  Besides, at this point I'm guessing it
isn't fair to ask anyone to be reasonable.

You have just as much right as he does not to back down.

Jo
> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to
> look"
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>
> Lori
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2005 20:52 GMT
> You are not favoring one relative over another.  You are favoring one DOG
> over others,  With good reason.  Besides, at this point I'm guessing it
> isn't fair to ask anyone to be reasonable.
>
> You have just as much right as he does not to back down.

And CONSIDERABLY more right than the in-laws camped upon
you!  (They should be grateful you are willing to shelter
them, emergency or not - not everyone would have, despite
any "relationship".)
mlbriggs - 26 Sep 2005 19:19 GMT
> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to
> look" allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday,
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>
> Lori

Hoorah! for Digger.
Sounds like you and DH need a "meeting of the minds"    Purrs that this
will occur.  MLB
Sandra - 26 Sep 2005 19:36 GMT
Great news! Things are looking up.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 26 Sep 2005 20:02 GMT
>For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
>allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
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>
>Lori

So glad to hear this news, but sorry about DH.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Sep 2005 20:37 GMT
> Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...
>
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> through the most traumatic experience anyone could imagine and it would be
> unfair to make her stay outside in a strange place with unfriendly dogs.

I hate to be the promoter of marital strife, but if you're
stuck indefinitely with your DH's mother, sister and odious
dogs, and your DH can't be reasonable, have you considered
divorce?  (Or announcing an intention to seek one?)  That
way, you'd get rid of most of the problem, all at once!
(Also recovering some living space for you, and putting less
strain on your limited resources.)  8-)
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 21:09 GMT
> > Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...
> >
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> (Also recovering some living space for you, and putting less
> strain on your limited resources.)  8-)

I would, but he would know it as the idle threat that it is.  ;>  Ben is my
true, once-in-a-lifetime soul mate.  I'll put up with almost anything from
him (and vice-versa).  What's good about him *SO* outweighs his faults that
I know I would never find a better friend much less a better mate.

That said, I feel really mean b*tching about his mom, and I keep wondering
to myself what is it about her that aggravates me so bad, and I think I've
finally figured it out.  All the things that irritate me in her are the
things in Ben that irritate me.  It's like seeing all his faults, multiplied
by a thousand, in this other person.  *AND* having her here is undoing all
the training I've done on him for the past 20 years!!!!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
mlbriggs - 26 Sep 2005 22:54 GMT
>> > Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...
>> >
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>
> CatNipped

Look at it this way:  If it were not for her, there would be no "him".
How old is MIL and how is her health?  Has she ever been an independent
person or a leaner?    I agree that a houseful of dogs can take up a lot
of room.     A houseful of cats could affect some people the same way.
Perhaps it is time to assign tasks.  If MIL is physically able, just tell
her you need help now and would appreciate some  help with expenses also.
If she has to contribute, perhaps (perhaps) she will be more than willing
to go home.  Whatever -- good luck and purrs for all.   MLB
CatNipped - 26 Sep 2005 23:34 GMT
> >> > Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...
> >> >
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> Look at it this way:  If it were not for her, there would be no "him".
> How old is MIL and how is her health?

She's actually not *that* much older than me - she's 63 (I'm 53 and a
cradle-robber, Ben is 9 years younger than me).

> Has she ever been an independent
> person or a leaner?

She's been divorced twice and was living alone, but in a double house with
Ben's sister living next door.

> I agree that a houseful of dogs can take up a lot
> of room.

I could take the dogs - *IF* they were trained *at all*.  But they viciously
attack my cats, viciously fight each other right next to my grandbabies (my
son-in-law was ready to kill them last year when he saw teeth flashing 2
inches away from his 5-year-old's face), bark non-stop day and night, jump
all over the furniture, jump up and snatch food off of your plate when you
try to eat (my MIL will hand her plate down for the dogs to take a bite and
then put it back on the table to continue eating - ugh!), and pee and poop
all over the house.  You can understand why I don't want those creatures in
my house.

My daughter's dogs know that they are not allowed in the same room with the
family while the family eats dinner (and don't even look in the door at you
while you're eating), would not *dream* of jumping up on furniture or on a
person, instantly go and lie down in the corner as soon as they're told to,
never bark except when someone comes to the door (and shut up immediately
when told to), never go near the cats much less bark at them, are completely
gentle around the children, and have *never* had an accident in the house
since they were puppies.  You can see why I wouldn't mind sharing my house
with them.

A houseful of cats could affect some people the same way.
> Perhaps it is time to assign tasks.  If MIL is physically able, just tell
> her you need help now and would appreciate some  help with expenses also.

I tried assigning tasks by writing choses on a dry-erase board and allowing
people to put their names next to the chores they volunteer to do - her name
never got written on the board.  I got tired of hinting so came out and
expressed my worry about the utility bills, but no cash was forthcoming.

However, despite all of the above (and probably due to the Xanax) I've
decided to ignore it all and try to continue with my life as best I can.  I
am going to develop a Zen-like outlook on my trials and tribulations even if
I have to make myself a nervous wreck doing so!!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

> If she has to contribute, perhaps (perhaps) she will be more than willing
> to go home.  Whatever -- good luck and purrs for all.   MLB
jmcquown - 27 May 2006 19:58 GMT
>>>> Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...
>>>>
>>>> DH says that my daughter's dogs will have to stay outside with
>>>> MIL's dogs. I said no, my daughter's dogs 1) would be attacked by
>>>> those vicious, untrained beasts (I'm really *NOT* joking - they
>>>> will attack strange *people* and can't be called off,

>> Hugs,
>>
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> be more than willing to go home.  Whatever -- good luck and purrs for
> all.   MLB

This is a reply to a *really* old post, one that CN posted right after the
Katrina evacuation.  I have no idea why it's showing up as New now for you.

Jill
sriddles@aol.com - 27 May 2006 20:10 GMT
> >>>> Which brings us to the argument I had with DH...
> >>>>
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>
> Jill

This *is* peculiar. According to what I see, Jill, your post is the
only recent one. It appears here that you are replying to ML, who
posted a reply back in Sept.

Sherry
Tanada - 28 May 2006 00:18 GMT
>>This is a reply to a *really* old post, one that CN posted right after the
>>Katrina evacuation.  I have no idea why it's showing up as New now for you.
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>
> Sherry

It's the appliance wars, I tell you.  Either that or the FWO is at it again.

Pam S. giggling
jmcquown - 28 May 2006 00:33 GMT
>>> This is a reply to a *really* old post, one that CN posted right
>>> after the Katrina evacuation.  I have no idea why it's showing up
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>
> Pam S. giggling

Oh lawdy!  It's spreading!  Dammit Sherry, do something! ;)

Jill
Dan M - 28 May 2006 01:09 GMT
> It's the appliance wars, I tell you.  Either that or the FWO is at it again.
>
> Pam S. giggling

It's the FWO on maneuvers. Ssshhhhh, we're not supposed to know about it!

Dan
Exocat - 26 Sep 2005 22:18 GMT
>  When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to him!

Delighted!  What a load of guilt off the family's mind.

Stand firm on those pesky sh*tty dogs. In-laws are expendable
in the final analysis - I'm a strong believer in "Do as you would
be done by" and "Be done by as you did" (Kingsley), so have
happily severed contact with relatives who repeatedly behaved
unacceptably. What a relief. Anyway, it's time your MIL went
home to sort out her insurance claim before the co. invalidates
it owing to excessive lapse of time!

Purrs & woofs

Gordon & the FF
mlbriggs - 27 Sep 2005 01:08 GMT
>>  When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to him!
>
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>
> Gordon & the FF

I'll agree 100%.  Time to tell MIL to get the          dogs and go away.
If she gets angry, maybe with luck she will never speak to you again. If
you have to scream while telling her to get the dog out, make sure it is
LOUD.  Best of good wishes for a peaceful home.   MLB
Cheryl - 26 Sep 2005 23:22 GMT
> Anyway, one of their neighbors got home before they did (they've
> been waiting in line in their car since 3:00AM).  The neighbor
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> house.  When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to
> him!

Yay!!!  I'm always amazed at the survival skills of our pampered
pets.  Purrs for all of your other worries too.

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Yoj - 27 Sep 2005 03:11 GMT
That's wonderful news about Digger!  As for the rest, all I can say is you
have my sympathy.  I can't even imagine the stress you're under!

(((((((((((Lori))))))))))

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Joy

> For some reason, after Rita, they pushed *UP* the scheduled "return to look"
> allowances for St. Bernard Parish - instead of Thursday and Friday, lower
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>
> Lori
Candace - 27 Sep 2005 03:55 GMT
 When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to him!
> He didn't look starved (except for affection).  Their neighbor said he even
> looked like he'd *gained* a little weight).  He either tore into the huge
> bags of food my daughter kept in the utility room, or was hunting rabbits,
> squirrels, and other wild game.

That's wonderful, Lori!  I'm very happy about the dogs.  When will they
pick up Gypsy?  Unbelievable that they're both ok...and great!!!!!

It sounds like your living arrangements may be a little hectic/strained
for awhile but, all in all, your family was all very fortunate.  I hope
Gypsy and Digger can be inside and that the kitties don't mind too
much.

Candace
Topaz - 27 Sep 2005 04:16 GMT
>   When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to him!
> > He didn't look starved (except for affection).  Their neighbor said he even
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>
> That's wonderful, Lori!  I'm very happy about the dogs.

Best news I've heard in a while. :)
CatNipped - 27 Sep 2005 15:01 GMT
>   When he walked into his yard Digger came running up to him!
> > He didn't look starved (except for affection).  Their neighbor said he even
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>
> Candace

Digger will have to be outside (at my daughter's insistence) because,
although he is very well trained, he's been on his own for quite a while and
they don't know whether or not he's been hunting rabbits and squirrels.  He
might look at the kitties as snack food!

However, MIL's dogs are leashed because 1) Houdini ate a 2 foot hole in my
wooden fence and dug a trench in my yard all the way around my fence in his
attempts to escape, and 2) the grandchildren kept going in and out of the
gate and Ella got out once or twice, so MIL decided to leash her up too
(what? how dare you say it was I who told the children to run in and out of
the yard several times an hour - though I did insist that I would not keep
the gate padlocked since we didn't have a key for everybody <evil grin>).

So Digger should be OK in the yard - able to stay away from the vicious
beasts - and if he's not we can put him in the attached garage.

Gypsy will definitely be inside, no matter what DH says - she's too old to
be outside all the time.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Steve Touchstone - 30 Sep 2005 09:32 GMT
great news - I'm SO glad to hear that both the dogs will be reunited
with their family
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