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CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 21:11 GMT
Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
people can cause such pain to others and to innocent creatures who don't
even understand why they're being hurt.

What follows is a dark and gritty tale of how my Bandit came to live with
me.  It's not pretty, it involves the pain and death of kittens, but it is a
true story of what happens to "dumped" kittens and it does have a happy
ending for at least one of the kittens, my Bandit.

I'm sorry, I just can't stop the tears and this is my way of letting some of
this pain out.  Please don't read it if you think it will upset you.

============================

I am old now, but I still remember my youth.  I was born 14 years and 5
months ago, in a dark, warm, closed-in space (hoomin's call it a closet).  I
remember the rich smell of leather emanating from the hard wrappings that
hoomins put on their feet (I think those things are for helping them walk
around on only two of their legs).  I still love the scent of leather even
now, it reminds me of my birth mommy.  Those days are a blur of warm milk,
mommy's licks, and purring siblings - it was a perfect time of peace and
security.  It was over much, much too soon.

When I was just a little over 5 weeks old I overheard one of the hoomins
saying, "No, we can't keep them, we can't afford any more animals!"  Another
voice answered, "Please don't take them to the pound, they'll put them to
sleep."  I began to feel uneasy.  "OK," the first voice answered, "we'll
drop them off in a rural neighborhood so they can fend for themselves."
"Won't they just starve to death?" the second voice asked.  "Nah, they can
hunt birds and mice, they'll be fine." the first voice answered.  I began to
be really scared, what were birds and mice?  Mommy had told us that she
would teach us to "hunt", but she hadn't started our lessons yet.  When I
felt a large hand scoop me up and put me into a box with my 3 siblings, I
began to shiver.  I heard my mommy calling for me and my siblings and I
called back to her but she wasn't allowed to come with us.  The box started
moving and was placed in a strange machine that roared and smelled nasty.
The box began shaking and this continued for quite some time before it
stopped.  Suddenly the hand scooped me up and placed me and my siblings on a
wet, cold surface full of spiky green stuff.  We huddled there for a moment
then tried to run after our departing hoomin, but we weren't quick enough to
get to him before he climbed back into the scary machine and went away.

This place was not warm, it was not dark, it was not enclosed.  There was
too much space around us and we were so very, very frightened.  We huddled
there for a few more minutes calling for our mommy, but our mommy didn't
come for us.  What did come for us was a large monster who yelled, "Woof,
woof."  We started running for any shelter we could find, but one of my
brothers was not fast enough.  The monster grabbed him up with his huge
teeth and we knew we would not see him again.  We finally came to rest under
a round, puffy green object that had spiky things sticking out of it.  The
monster didn't follow us here.  Again we huddled together and cried for our
mommy, but she still didn't come and get us.

Gradually it began to get darker and this made us feel a little more secure,
but we were starting to get very hungry.  My belly rumbled and I looked
around for something to eat, but there was nothing here that smelled like it
might be food.  When it was completely dark we couldn't see anything around
us and were afraid to call for our mommy in case it brought another monster
to us instead.  It got colder and we huddled closer for warmth.  I started
to feel things biting my skin and making me itch, but couldn't figure out
how to stop them from doing this, so I just lay there trembling and wishing
very hard for my mommy to come and get me and comfort me with her warm
tongue and nourishing milk.

One of my sisters was a very brave girl.  She decided that she would go and
find our mommy for us.  I pleaded with her to not leave us, but she told me
she had to go because she couldn't stand the pain in her belly any longer.
My brother and I watched as she crept away towards the spot where we had
been placed by our hoomin.  She sniffed around a bit and then ventured
further onto the hard, rough surface where our hoomin's scary machine had
been.  I saw it coming and I tried to warn her, but my sister was too
petrified to run and the scary machine ran right over her.

My brother and I could hear her pitiful cries and we ran to her side and
tried to lick away the hurt, but she was hurt too bad for us to do anything.
We could only try to comfort her until her pain went away forever.  It took
a very long time before she finally stopped trying to move and stopped
crying, and it hurts me to this day to remember that awful time.

When it was over my brother and I found our way back to our hiding place.
We were starting to feel very weak and the pain in our tummies was becoming
unbearable.  I tried nibbling on some of the spiky green stiff that
surrounded us, but that just made me throw up and feel even worse.  My
brother was much smaller than me and I noticed that he was getting to the
point where he could barely move.  I tried to cuddle closer to him and give
him some of my warmth, but this didn't seem to do any good.  Three times the
dark had come, but our mommy had not.  Three times the light had come but
our mommy had not.  When I looked over to my brother I saw that he was no
longer breathing.  I nudged him with my nose, but he felt cold and stiff.  I
was alone now and I didn't know what to do.  I knew I could not stay with my
brother, I had to move away, so I started walking.

I was very weak and it was hard to stay on my feet, but something kept me
going, on and on, until I was too tired to move any more.  Then, faintly, I
smelled something that made my now numb tummy start to rumble again.  With
my last bit of strength I ran forward to a round white thing that held tiny
pellets of something that smelled really good.  I ate so fast that I threw
up and had to start all over again.  Soon I began to feel stronger and lay
down in front of the food so it wouldn't disappear and I could eat some more
as soon as my tummy could hold it again.

Then I heard a noise and looked up to see a door opening and a hoomin coming
out of it.  I didn't know this hoomin, but something about her told me that
she wouldn't harm me.  Besides, the warmth coming from the other side of the
door was just too tempting.  I dashed inside.  Finally!  No more big scary
space, just soft carpet beneath my paws, four walls keeping away the
frightening world!  I was determined that I would never go outside again!!!

The strange hoomin, however, had different ideas.  She came back through the
door and reached down to pick me up and bring me back outside.  She set me
down in front of the food and said, "It's OK, you can have as much as you
want, all the other strays for miles around know where to come and chow
down.  Your mom's probably around here somewhere, I'll have to put out the
trap and see if we can get her fixed.  Strange, though, that a feral would
come running into the house like that."

No way, no WAY was I going to stay out here.  As soon as she set me down I
hightailed it back into the house.  This was going to be MY house and she'd
just better get used to it.  I saw what the world had done to my siblings
and I wanted NO PART OF IT.  I wanted to stay inside where it was safe.

The hoomin came back inside and looked at me with her head tilted to one
side.  "Hmmm," she said, "it looks like you've laid claim to my house."
HAH!  HER house!!  I don't think so.  "Well, I guess you've adopted me, so
let's see what we can do about those fleas.  I'll keep an eye out for your
mom."  I knew my mommy wouldn't show up, if she could have she would have
come for me and my siblings a lot sooner.  It made me sad to think about how
she would be missing us and not knowing what had happened to her babies, but
I must put all that behind me now.

It took some time, but I finally trained my new hoomin how to properly
pamper me and she serves me well to this day.  She has even put up with my
biting her... I can't help it, sometimes the memories just come to the
surface and I panic when I'm being touched.  She doesn't scold me though,
she just leaves me alone for a few moments and gets a sad look in her eyes,
then she murmurs sweet things to me and pets me again.  I think she
understands me.  I think she knows what it's like to be abandoned and alone,
left to fend for herself in a world that doesn't seem to care about the
innocents it hurts.

Hugs,

Bandit

===========================

For those of you who did choose to read this, again, I'm sorry for the sad
tale, I hope I didn't hurt or offend anyone.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 02 Sep 2004 21:24 GMT
I didn't read it past don't read if if it will upset you.  It's the
cat-skinning thing that has got to you, isn't it?
Try to pretend it was a bad dream, you woke up, and it never happened.  Of
course it never happened, really it didn't, to give you peace.  Say after
me.  "This is just a sick thing that was sent and it never happened"
If you didn't have a computer, you'd never have known.  Lots of horrible
things in the world happen, but it's important for our mental health not to
dwell on them too much.

Big hugs

Tweed

> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that
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>
> CatNipped
CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 21:42 GMT
> I didn't read it past don't read if if it will upset you.  It's the
> cat-skinning thing that has got to you, isn't it?
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>
> Tweed

Thank you so much Tweed, you as such sweet person.  Yes, it was that that
has me going this time.  Something happened like this once before except a
so-called friend emailed me a VIDEO of an atrocity without telling me what
the video was about.  My husband said that the video was faked, that such a
thing couldn't happen, but I couldn't get it out of my mind.  Why would
anyone even imagine doing something like that, why go to the trouble of
faking something so horrible, who could possibly think it was "amusing", why
would a FRIEND send me that knowing how I feel about cats - why would he
want to cause ME such pain?????  I would just suddenly burst out crying for
weeks and weeks after that, and this one is even worse, the abuse was so
much more planned out and it really happened, I can't even kid myself that
it didn't.

I just can't stand thinking about an innocent creature in pain and not even
understanding WHY it was being hurt.  There's been so many times in my life
I've asked "Oh God, why?", but I never, ever got an answer - which is one of
the reasons I stopped believing.  How could anybody, who has the power to
stop it, continue to let such pain be felt by such loving, trusting beings?
Why even allow someone to be born if all they will know about life is
suffering?

I'm sorry, sometimes it just hurts too much and I can't stop the tears and I
just have to let them flow until I can get a handle on things again.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 02 Sep 2004 22:16 GMT
>> I didn't read it past don't read if if it will upset you.  It's the
>> cat-skinning thing that has got to you, isn't it?
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>
> CatNipped

Never happened, never happened, never happened.  Tell yourself this and go
to sleep thinking of all the nice cat and d*g tales you heard on this ng.
There are lucky cats too, my two for example.
One of my favourite hobbies is birdwatching.  Having the two kitties has put
paid to that. Did I want them?  No, definitely not.  Could I resist that
they were lost and alone?  No.
No more birdwatching in the garden :-(  It's actually a huge sacrifice.

Tweed
CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 22:21 GMT
> Never happened, never happened, never happened.  Tell yourself this and go
> to sleep thinking of all the nice cat and d*g tales you heard on this ng.
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>
> Tweed

You're so right.  And it's people like you and the others here that make me
know that there is some good in this world and there is some hope for the
future - because where evil needs to sneak and hide, good can shine out for
all to see and make a difference for all to feel.

Love and peace right back atcha Tweed!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Lois Reay - 02 Sep 2004 22:48 GMT
Dear Catnipped, Sorry I couldn't read past the don't read warning, I can
only imagine what was to come and I don't feel like crying today.

Purrs for the dark cloud to lift from over you, may Bandit be of comfort to
you

Please smile again.
Lois
--
Burmese are like potato chips, you can't just have one.

> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
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>
> CatNipped
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 00:06 GMT
> Dear Catnipped, Sorry I couldn't read past the don't read warning, I can
> only imagine what was to come and I don't feel like crying today.
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> Please smile again.
> Lois

Thank you Lois, you guys here, and my loving DH, help keep me going through
the bad times just by knowing there are good people in the world.  I just so
wish everyone could be like you, what a wonderful world this would be then!

Hugs,

CatNipped
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 00:11 GMT
> Dear Catnipped, Sorry I couldn't read past the don't read warning, I can
> only imagine what was to come and I don't feel like crying today.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Please smile again.
> Lois

Thank you Lois, you guys here, and my loving DH, help keep me going through
the bad times just by knowing there are good people in the world.  I just so
wish everyone could be like you, what a wonderful world this would be then!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Tanada - 02 Sep 2004 23:00 GMT
> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
> people can cause such pain to others and to innocent creatures who don't
> even understand why they're being hurt.

So sad, and, probably, so true.  Purrs for Bandit and thanks for telling
his story here.

Pam S.
CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 23:19 GMT
> So sad, and, probably, so true.  Purrs for Bandit and thanks for telling
> his story here.
>
> Pam S.

Thanks Pam.  I was worried after I'd posted it that it would offend, I
didn't want to do that, I just wanted to tell about what very probably
happened to my sweet little Bandit before she (yes, everyone makes that
mistake - I should have named her something feminine! ;>) found me, and how
brave she was to have survived that, and probably why she is so ornery even
now..

Hugs,

CatNipped
Nan - 02 Sep 2004 23:01 GMT
>Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
>the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I'm sorry, I just can't stop the tears and this is my way of letting some of
>this pain out.  Please don't read it if you think it will upset you.

snipped for brevity

I read the entire thing, and then went back and read it again through
my tears.  I thought about my 3 little ones and how fortunate  they
are that I didn't live on a busy road when they were dumped out.

Everyone who has ever dumped a defenseless animal to fend for itself
should have to read Bandit's story.  

This probably doesn't make much sense since it's hard to see to type
through my tears and hugging my babies.

Hugs that you did the right thing and took poor little Bandit into
your home and heart.

--

Nan and the furkids

A wise man talks because he has something to say;
a fool talks because he has to say something.
CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 23:20 GMT
> Hugs that you did the right thing and took poor little Bandit into
> your home and heart.

I've tired very, very hard, every single day for the last 14 years 4 months,
to make up for whatever my little girl suffered before she found me.  Going
by how spoiled she is now, I think I may have gone overboard! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Nan - 02 Sep 2004 23:46 GMT
>> Hugs that you did the right thing and took poor little Bandit into
>> your home and heart.
>
>I've tired very, very hard, every single day for the last 14 years 4 months,
>to make up for whatever my little girl suffered before she found me.  Going
>by how spoiled she is now, I think I may have gone overboard! ;>

Overboard?  You can't go overboard when you are spoiling your
owner(s).

--

Nan and the furkids

A wise man talks because he has something to say;
a fool talks because he has to say something.
CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 23:53 GMT
> Overboard?  You can't go overboard when you are spoiling your
> owner(s).
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> A wise man talks because he has something to say;
> a fool talks because he has to say something.

LOL, this is true!  Thanks Nan.

Hugs,

CatNipped
KellyH - 03 Sep 2004 02:27 GMT
CatNipped,
Do you mind if I email Bandit's story to the shelter volunteers?  It was
very well-written, I think they might like to read it.  Yes, it did make me
cry.

Signature

-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
www.kelltek.com
Check out www.snittens.com

> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
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>
> CatNipped
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 15:58 GMT
> Do you mind if I email Bandit's story to the shelter volunteers?  It was
> very well-written, I think they might like to read it.  Yes, it did make
> me
> cry.

Please feel free to send it wherever it may do some good and maybe keep this
from happening even once again.

Hugs,

CatNipped
CATherine - 03 Sep 2004 04:09 GMT
>Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
>the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
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>
>============================
Tears and hugs and purrs for you and Bandit.

--
CATherine
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 16:00 GMT
> Tears and hugs and purrs for you and Bandit.
>
> --
> CATherine

Thank you CATherine, you help ease my depression just by being you and being
here for me!

Hugs,

CatNipped
LOL - 03 Sep 2004 06:38 GMT
> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
> people can cause such pain to others and to innocent creatures who don't
> even understand why they're being hurt.

(snipped sad story)

We are sending purrs and hugs to you and Bandit.  Sometimes I feel the
same way you do, but it seems to me that all you can do is try not to
think about it, and do the good that *you* can do.  You've made a very
happy home for your furries - try to think how lucky they are,
*without* contrasting it with how some others live.

((((((CatNipped))))))

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Krista
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 16:01 GMT
> We are sending purrs and hugs to you and Bandit.  Sometimes I feel the
> same way you do, but it seems to me that all you can do is try not to
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> ------
> Krista

Thank you Krista, I'm feeling better now - the hugs and purrs really help.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Flippy - 03 Sep 2004 11:57 GMT
Dear Catnipped,

I didn't read your story because I would get too upset. I just want to say
that Bandit is very lucky to have found you. Thank you for being such a
wonderful, kind person.

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Flippy in Melbourne, Australia.
My Cats: http://www.flippyscatpage.com

CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 16:01 GMT
> Dear Catnipped,
>
> I didn't read your story because I would get too upset. I just want to say
> that Bandit is very lucky to have found you. Thank you for being such a
> wonderful, kind person.

Thank you Flippy, you have helped and I really appreciate your kindness.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christine Burel - 04 Sep 2004 15:44 GMT
I want to echo Flippy's sentiments, too -- couldn't read it also but so
thankful you found each other.
Christine
> Dear Catnipped,
>
> I didn't read your story because I would get too upset. I just want to say
> that Bandit is very lucky to have found you. Thank you for being such a
> wonderful, kind person.
Exocat - 03 Sep 2004 20:02 GMT
Purrs to you & your Bandit from me & mine, a b&w dsh neutered boy, now
aged 7.
A most moving tale.

I'd love to write my Bandit's story too but the cat rescue shelter
where we found each other when he was about 2 didn't know much about
it: sufficient to say that many of his habits would indicate neglect,
lack of feeding and physical abuse (even today he still has to keep
his tummy fully topped up & is highly nervous of sudden approaches or
loud noises, for instance).

Nowadays he has a pampered existence & no serious competition from his
fellow residents here in Cornwall, England. I for one am somewhat
comforted that for every story of horrible cruelty we hear several
others of kindness & self-sacrifice, especially here in this Goup. I
hope that you might find some compensation from that too.

Our very best wishes

Gordon, Bandit, Pericles & Snowball

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> What follows is a dark and gritty tale of how my Bandit came to live with
> me.
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 23:51 GMT
> Purrs to you & your Bandit from me & mine, a b&w dsh neutered boy, now
> aged 7.
> A most moving tale.
<snip> I for one am somewhat
> comforted that for every story of horrible cruelty we hear several
> others of kindness & self-sacrifice, especially here in this Goup. I
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>
> Gordon, Bandit, Pericles & Snowball

Thank you, and you are very correct.  It seems we too often focus on the
negative and ignore the positive - a failing I am quite prone to.  Your
words *have* helped.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Susan M - 03 Sep 2004 20:10 GMT
> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
> people can cause such pain to others and to innocent creatures who don't
> even understand why they're being hurt.

I'm forever glad that Bandit found a home with you.  That's one of the
wonderful things about this group - we remember that 99.9% of the
world is filled with wonderful people and some of them are right here
- doing so many wonderful things for so many kittens.  I too can't
handle the thought of cruelty.  I don't understand.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 03 Sep 2004 20:54 GMT
>> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
>> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Neither do I understand what could possibly motivate anyone to do something
cruel to an animals or what pleasure they could possible get from it.
I am getting softer and softer.  It upsets me now if I accidentally step on
an ant.  British ants are nothing like fire ants you get in some parts of
USA.  They're okay.
I must have been a Buddhist in a previous life ;-)
For goodness sake, a few weeks ago I found a bumble bee that seemed unable
to fly.  Now, my German friend is a beekeeper and while I was over there,
one of her bees fell into some water they had put out on a saucer for them
to drink.  If bees don't drink enough, they get constipation, apparently.
Now that's a fact I'm almost sure not many knew before tonight. ;-)
Anyway, the bee was fished out, brought into the house and offered some
honey.  It's tongue came out immediately to lap it. "First aid for bees,
give them honey"  I was told.  The wings were gently dabbed with a piece of
absorbent paper and in only a minute or two the bee was able to fly off.

So when I found the bumble bee, I remembered that.  I went inside, and got a
bit of honey on the end of a teaspoon which I offered to the front end of
the bee.  Sure enough, out came her long tongue to lap it.  I was
fascinated.
I have no idea what my neighbours thought, to see me kneeling outside the
front door, backside in the air, holding a teaspoon.  I don't care either
;-)  It will probably confirm their view of me. The chicken lady. A bit.
err, strange.
And yes, happy ending.  She rested a while and flew away restored.

I know that in the scheme of things, rescuing a bumble bee doesn't rate
highly.  I was glad I'd taken a few minutes trouble though, to see her soar
away made me feel I'd made a tiny difference in the world.
I'm *too* soft, aren't I?  I probably need to toughen up.

Tweed

Tweed
polonca12000 - 03 Sep 2004 23:04 GMT
Maybe in the scheme of things, rescuing a bumble bee doesn't rate highly. I
don't know if it matters, but it really matters a whole lot to me.
Hugs and purrs,
Signature

Polonca & Soncek

<snip>Now, my German friend is a beekeeper and while I was over there,
> one of her bees fell into some water they had put out on a saucer for them
> to drink.  If bees don't drink enough, they get constipation, apparently.
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>
> Tweed
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 23:59 GMT
> Maybe in the scheme of things, rescuing a bumble bee doesn't rate highly. I
> don't know if it matters, but it really matters a whole lot to me.
> Hugs and purrs,
> --
> Polonca & Soncek

What she said!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Jeanette - 03 Sep 2004 23:24 GMT
> So when I found the bumble bee, I remembered that.  I went inside, and got a
> bit of honey on the end of a teaspoon which I offered to the front end of
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>
> Tweed

You know, I did EXACTLY the same thing a couple of weeks ago. I found an
exhausted bee on the patio. I'm sure it wouldn't have lived long anyway, but
I gave it some honey because I didn't like to thing of it dying hungry. Even
the cats gave me an odd look when they saw what I was doing.

Jeanette
Christina Websell - 03 Sep 2004 23:34 GMT
>> So when I found the bumble bee, I remembered that.  I went inside, and
>> got
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>
> Jeanette

Did she recover?

Tweed
Jeanette - 04 Sep 2004 09:11 GMT
> > You know, I did EXACTLY the same thing a couple of weeks ago. I found an
> > exhausted bee on the patio. I'm sure it wouldn't have lived long anyway,
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>
> Tweed

Well, she was gone half an hour later, but whether she'd become prey or gone
back to her family, I don't know.

Jeanette
CatNipped - 04 Sep 2004 00:01 GMT
> You know, I did EXACTLY the same thing a couple of weeks ago. I found an
> exhausted bee on the patio. I'm sure it wouldn't have lived long anyway, but
> I gave it some honey because I didn't like to thing of it dying hungry. Even
> the cats gave me an odd look when they saw what I was doing.
>
> Jeanette

I am so extremely allergic to honey bees that I have to carry around an
"epi-pen" (epinephrine) and hope that it gives me enough time to get to an
emergency room before I go into anaphylactic shock and die.  And STILL I
applaud both you and Tweed for you acts of kindness.

Hugs,

CatNipped
CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 23:58 GMT
> Neither do I understand what could possibly motivate anyone to do something
> cruel to an animals or what pleasure they could possible get from it.
> I am getting softer and softer.  It upsets me now if I accidentally step on
> an ant.  British ants are nothing like fire ants you get in some parts of
> USA.  They're okay.

I don't know if you would know who Dr. Phil is here (he made his reputation
on Oprah as a "pop therapist" and now has his own show in the US), but he
claims that humans are not born empathic and don't "learn" to be empathic
until after they are 5 years old - and if they are not taught empathy during
and age "window" they will never learn it.  I guess that happens to abused
children, but I never thought being an abused child was an excuse for an
adult to be abusive.  I mean, there has to come a time where your intellect
should tell you that something is wrong even if your emotions don't.

> I must have been a Buddhist in a previous life ;-)
> For goodness sake, a few weeks ago I found a bumble bee that seemed unable
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>
> Tweed

I don't think there is such a thing as being "too soft" (except if it hurts
you to the point of becoming non-functional - which it sometimes almost gets
to that point with me), that kind softness is the only thing that really
matters in life.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Debbie Wilson - 04 Sep 2004 07:49 GMT
> I don't know if you would know who Dr. Phil is here (he made his reputation
> on Oprah as a "pop therapist" and now has his own show in the US), but he
> claims that humans are not born empathic and don't "learn" to be empathic
> until after they are 5 years old - and if they are not taught empathy during
> and age "window" they will never learn it.  

Yeah, there was a documentary about young children here last year or so,
which said something similar - behind a one-way mirror, they secretly
filmed children playing under supervision of their mothers, and the
mother pretended to have been hurt on the hand by some action of the
child (I think they were playing with a toy hammer thing, banging shapes
through holes). Most children were horrified that they had hurt Mummy
and went over to kiss it better, hug her or whatever they thought would
help. However, one child looked at her for a moment, then *deliberately*
did it again, and again, despite his mother's repeated protests. These
were children of around 2-3. Lucky for him that his parents could seek
advice via the TV programme, but for those that don't get help, I guess
they would grow up similarly desensitised  :-((

Deb.
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Adrian - 04 Sep 2004 16:06 GMT
>> I don't know if you would know who Dr. Phil is here (he made his
>> reputation on Oprah as a "pop therapist" and now has his own show in
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> for those that don't get help, I guess they would grow up similarly
> desensitised  :-((

I never saw that programme, but your post reminded me of what happened
10 years ago. I was giving Snoopy a liquid wormer, which she strongley
objected to. She caught my arm with her back claw, resulting in a deep
cut the length of my forearm. Domonic, the little boy that lived a
couple of doors away, was three at the time, looked at my arm and said,
very seriousley, you'll have to get your mummy to kiss it better. He was
a nice kid who lived with a girl cat called Trevor. :-)
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Debbie Wilson - 05 Sep 2004 14:01 GMT
> I never saw that programme, but your post reminded me of what happened
> 10 years ago. I was giving Snoopy a liquid wormer, which she strongley
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> very seriousley, you'll have to get your mummy to kiss it better. He was
> a nice kid who lived with a girl cat called Trevor. :-)

That's true faith, on the level of tooth fairy and Father Christmas
belief :-)))

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John F. Eldredge - 06 Sep 2004 05:54 GMT
>> Neither do I understand what could possibly motivate anyone to do
>something
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>abusive.  I mean, there has to come a time where your intellect
>should tell you that something is wrong even if your emotions don't.

If each generation only learns empathy by being taught it as a child,
how did the first empathetic generation learn it?  It wouldn't have
been from their parents, according to this theory.

I think that this theory would count as a partial truth, not a
complete one.

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Debbie Wilson - 04 Sep 2004 07:49 GMT
> I know that in the scheme of things, rescuing a bumble bee doesn't rate
> highly.  I was glad I'd taken a few minutes trouble though, to see her soar
> away made me feel I'd made a tiny difference in the world.
> I'm *too* soft, aren't I?  I probably need to toughen up.

I don't think so. Doesn't matter whether it's a bumble bee, a stray cat
or a person in need, what counts is caring enough to stop and do
something. I didn't know about the honey, I'll try that next time. It
must be the time of year for bee hives to disperse as I've seen several
bees like that recently, I move them off the pavement but will try the
honey/teaspoon/bum in air trick next time ;-)

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Christina Websell - 04 Sep 2004 12:12 GMT
>> I know that in the scheme of things, rescuing a bumble bee doesn't rate
>> highly.  I was glad I'd taken a few minutes trouble though, to see her
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>
> Deb.

If you're interested, have a look at
http://www.bumblebee.org/

Tweed
Debbie Wilson - 05 Sep 2004 14:01 GMT
> If you're interested, have a look at
> http://www.bumblebee.org/

Thanks Christine, I will :-)

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CatNipped - 03 Sep 2004 23:53 GMT
> I'm forever glad that Bandit found a home with you.  That's one of the
> wonderful things about this group - we remember that 99.9% of the
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Thank you, I am forever glad that she did too - I don't know what I would do
without my baby girl.

My mother keeps telling me that I'm "too sensitive", my DH says I have "too
much empathy", my best friend says that I have "too vivid an imagination".
Guilty on all counts, but I don't know how else to be, and I don't think I
would want to be any different if it meant not caring about innocent lives.

Hugs,

CatNipped
polonca12000 - 03 Sep 2004 23:00 GMT
Sorry CN, I do not feel up to reading the story, but I am thinking of you,
sending hugs and best wishes and Soncek sends his sunniest purrs to make you
feel better,
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> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
> the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
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> What follows is a dark and gritty tale of how my Bandit came to live with
> me.  <snip
Adrian - 04 Sep 2004 11:42 GMT
> Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the
> cruelty of the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand
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> some of this pain out.  Please don't read it if you think it will
> upset you.
<SNIP>

I'm sorry, I can't read any further. There has been so much dreadful
news recently, I can't take anymore. I've saved it and may read it later
when I don't feel so emotionaly raw.
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Steve Touchstone - 05 Sep 2004 03:39 GMT
>Warning, I am in a very dark mood right now and I'm hating the cruelty of
>the world, in fact I'm crying because I just can't stand the fact that some
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>I'm sorry, I just can't stop the tears and this is my way of letting some of
>this pain out.  Please don't read it if you think it will upset you.
<snip>

Bandit's story had me tearing up. I'm glad he found his onetruehome.
Sadly, I imagine Bandit's story is shared by many of our furry
masters. I haven't had many cats, in fact just four if you count the
family cat we had when i was growing up. Of those I have had, only
Sammy has been loved her whole life. I'm just glad that they don't
hold a grudge, like they have every right to.
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CatNipped - 05 Sep 2004 15:47 GMT
<snipped>I'm just glad that they don't
> hold a grudge, like they have every right to.
> --
> Steve Touchstone,
> faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky

That's what is so amazing to me about cats, and other animals.  Even the
ones who are horribly abused can show love and loyalty to the first person
who shows them kindness.  Their ability to forgive is transcendent.

Hugs,

CatNipped
 
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