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CatNipped - 31 Aug 2004 22:04 GMT
Was just reading another cats group and there was a message there about
another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't even post the URL or
details here, I wouldn't inflict that on you.  I was at my desk and had to
go to the ladies room to throw up and now I'm crying.  It's times like these
that make me despair and will often send me into another depression.  Thany
you all for being here and helping me by knowing there ARE people in this
world who are sane and caring and kind.

Hugs,

CatNipped
polonca12000 - 31 Aug 2004 22:30 GMT
Lots of purrs and hugs,
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> Was just reading another cats group and there was a message there about
> another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't even post the URL or
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> CatNipped
KellyH - 31 Aug 2004 23:06 GMT
> Was just reading another cats group and there was a message there about
> another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't even post the URL or
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> CatNipped

CatNipped,
I know how you feel.  I read that post too, and it upset me so much I burst
into tears and couldn't stop crying.  And, I'm dealing with a sinus
infection right now, so the crying just exacerbated it.  Now I have an even
worse headache and I'm dizzy.
I look around and see my little foster kitten Ana, my kitties Antonio and
Loki sprawled out on the floor, and I have no idea how someone could be so
cruel to such wonderful creatures.
I'm thankful that I found this ng.  Between that and my friends at the
shelter, it helps me realize that there is good in the world.

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Christina Websell - 01 Sep 2004 00:11 GMT
Purrs that you forget what you read

Tweed

> Was just reading another cats group and there was a message there about
> another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't even post the URL or
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> CatNipped
Cheryl - 01 Sep 2004 02:08 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "CatNipped"
<lcrews@houston.rr.com> artfully composed this message within
<news:2pk7abFlvlqnU1@uni-berlin.de> on 31 Aug 2004:

> Was just reading another cats group and there was a message
> there about another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you all for being here and helping me by knowing there ARE
> people in this world who are sane and caring and kind.

I don't read those any more. :(  I am forever grateful to those who
post a warning in the subject line, or at least in the message body.

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Dan M - 01 Sep 2004 03:31 GMT
> I don't read those any more. :(  I am forever grateful to those who
> post a warning in the subject line, or at least in the message body.

Me likewise. I learned about that when I was at the office a couple jobs
ago, read a news story about a kitten abuser, and was reduced to tears
and sobs. At my desk. In a "bull pen".

Dan
Christine Burel - 01 Sep 2004 13:08 GMT
I'm so sorry CatNipped.  I found that I cannot read threads like that
because I can't shake what I've read either and it makes me sick, too.
Hugs -- glad you're here.
Christine
> Was just reading another cats group and there was a message there about
> another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't even post the URL or
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> CatNipped
Adrian - 02 Sep 2004 15:21 GMT
> Was just reading another cats group and there was a message there
> about another sick, sick case of cat torture.  I won't even post the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Hugs,

{{{{{{{{CatNipped}}}}}}}} I know how you feel. Thank you for not posting
the details.
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Annie Wxill - 02 Sep 2004 23:00 GMT
...>> It's times like these that make me despair and will often send me
>> into another depression.  Thany you all for being here and helping me
>> by knowing there ARE people in this world who are sane and caring and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> {{{{{{{{CatNipped}}}}}}}} I know how you feel. Thank you for not posting
> the details.
Sorry to piggyback, Adrian.  I updated my XP computer with Service Pack 2,
and had to re-subscribe to my newsgroups. I no longer have Catnipped's
original post.

Catnipped,
When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To establish
a connection to the community, I volunteered with Court Appointed Special
Advocates (CASA).  Volunteers are assigned a child or children who have been
removed from an abusive or neglectful home and placed in foster care.  The
task is to make sure that the child does not fall through the cracks in the
system.

Part of our training was about the terrible things that people do to
children.  I would come home all hyped and excited.

My husband asked how could I learn such terrible things and not be
depressed.  I responded that I was happy to know that this community had
people who cared and I was joining them in doing something to fight the evil
in the world.

I'm not currently a CASA volunteer, but still believe that there is a very
real battle underway between good and evil forces. I'm not talking about
conventional warfare, but more like whatever influences people to choose to
do what they do.  I know I cannot solve all the world's problems.  Some
things people do I can't even imagine.  They make me sick and angry. So I
acknowledge that they are there, but I try to do what I can, in whatever
small way, to tip the balance the other way.

It's kind of like being part of an underground movement.  I know that
anything good that I do for someone else, especially someone helpless, such
as a child or animal, will ripple, like a rock thrown into a lake. And some
people touched by those ripples will make their own ripples.Who knows how
far those ripples will go?

This group is special to me for the same reason it is special to you.  The
fact that it includes people from around the world gives me faith in the
human condition.

Hugs to you, too.
Annie
CatNipped - 02 Sep 2004 23:17 GMT
> It's kind of like being part of an underground movement.  I know that
> anything good that I do for someone else, especially someone helpless, such
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> Hugs to you, too.
> Annie

Thank you Annie, you are so right.  I sometimes have to force myself to look
at all the good in the world and all the loving, caring people (like
everyone here) because the evil can be overwhelming and when you're
overwhelmed you can't DO anything positive to make a change.

May you be blessed for all the work you've done with the innocent lives so
cruelly handled, your heart is kind.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Sherry - 03 Sep 2004 02:43 GMT
>When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To establish
>a connection to the community, I volunteered with Court Appointed Special
>Advocates (CASA).  Volunteers are assigned a child or children who have been
>removed from an abusive or neglectful home and placed in foster care.

That's a wonderful cause.  I bet you were really good in that volunteer
position.
I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind of criticized
me for being involved with/donating time & money to the Humane Society. She
said nobody should waste money on animals with so many abused and neglected and
hungry children in the world. I really didn't have a comeback. (unusual for
me).

Sherry
Christina Websell - 03 Sep 2004 03:12 GMT
> >When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To
> >establish
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>
> Sherry

Take no notice.  Humans have plenty of advocates, animals need all they can
get.

Tweed
Jo Firey - 03 Sep 2004 04:01 GMT
> >When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To establish
> >a connection to the community, I volunteered with Court Appointed Special
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

Before you even consider listening to her, is she using her resources to
make the world a better place or just to find fault with how others choose
to?

If people were perfect the Humane Society would be unnecessary.  They
aren't.  It is.  And I'm a little appalled at her notion of what is or isn't
a waste.  Unless she is Mother Teresa in her spare time.

If you are doing what you can, where you are, you are way ahead of most of
the population.
Jo
Jeanette - 03 Sep 2004 09:26 GMT
> >When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To establish
> >a connection to the community, I volunteered with Court Appointed Special
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

Ask her what she's done recently for abused, neglected and hungry children.
That usually works. I've found that most of the people I know who are active
in animal rescue are also involved with at least one 'human' charity. I help
out with collections for Oxfam, another donates to Barnados, another is an
active volunteer for a local children's hospice. I volunteered for a lot of
charities before I settled on Cats Protection, and I've been with them for
so long (getting on for ten years now) because the Branch I help is local to
me, I can see the good that it does, and people's energy goes into
fundraising, caring for cats, neutering cats, working with feral colonies
etc.

Jeanette
Sherry - 03 Sep 2004 15:32 GMT
>Ask her what she's done recently for abused, neglected and hungry children.
>That usually works. I've found that most of the people I know who are active
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeanette

I've thought about it. I don't really volunteer with any other charities except
for the occasional donation and I have a lot of time. But the thing I've been
considering isn't about children. There's a lot of residents in the nursing
home with no family or friends left. Sometimes people "adopt" a couple and go
in a couple days a week and read to them or do their nails or just visit and
bring little presents.  Just something I have been thinking about.
Sherry
Steve Touchstone - 04 Sep 2004 16:48 GMT
>I've thought about it. I don't really volunteer with any other charities except
>for the occasional donation and I have a lot of time. But the thing I've been
>considering isn't about children. There's a lot of residents in the nursing
>home with no family or friends left. Sometimes people "adopt" a couple and go
>in a couple days a week and read to them or do their nails or just visit and
>bring little presents.  Just something I have been thinking about.

I think that's an excellent idea. It's sad that there are so many
people stuck away in homes whose family and friends seem to abandon
them. I really like the concept of the "working" animals which I see
on TV sometimes which are brought in to visit. Course it would take a
special kind of cat, one who enjoys strangers and isn't bothered by
stange noises or smells, and would probably have to endure baths
before going to visit, but I couldn't imagine anything better if I
were one of the shut-ins than to be visited by a furry little lap
warmer.
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Sherry - 05 Sep 2004 20:34 GMT
>I think that's an excellent idea. It's sad that there are so many
>people stuck away in homes whose family and friends seem to abandon
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>were one of the shut-ins than to be visited by a furry little lap
>warmer.

I think that's an excellent idea. In fact, I've thought about the service cat
deal. None of mine would be suitable though. You'd need a really laid-back cat
that doesn't frighten easily.
Sherry
Steve Touchstone - 06 Sep 2004 00:09 GMT
>>I think that's an excellent idea. It's sad that there are so many
>>people stuck away in homes whose family and friends seem to abandon
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>deal. None of mine would be suitable though. You'd need a really laid-back cat
>that doesn't frighten easily.
Same here. Sammy is the closest of my three. She does really well one
on one, and at home will come out and introduce herself and expect
pampering after just a few minutes. But in a strange environment, with
more people, she hides like she did out at the Refuge when Pam and
family were here. Course, she's still a youngster and may be better in
a few years. Little Bit is a shameful scritch-hussy here at home, but
hates to travel. And, Rocky, besides hating travel, came to enjoy
hoomin contact too late and I suspect will never learn that claws hurt
those without fur. He doesn't mean to scratch, really, and always acts
embarrassed when he draws blood, but it's still fairly common.
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Yowie - 08 Sep 2004 00:09 GMT
> >>I think that's an excellent idea. It's sad that there are so many
> >>people stuck away in homes whose family and friends seem to abandon
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> those without fur. He doesn't mean to scratch, really, and always acts
> embarrassed when he draws blood, but it's still fairly common.

People with young kids can also "adopt a grandparent". While the
relationship may not be blood, folks in old people's home smay not get to
see their grandchildren at all, and would welcome hte energy and enthusiasm
of the younger generation to dote on and spoil of course :-)

Cary is of course is no dange rof running out of honorary grandmothers,
grandfathers, aunts and uncles, but half the reason we have adopted you folk
is that he doesn't have living grandparents on Joel's side, and I think its
important for him to learn how to interact with people of all ages.

Yowie
Annie Wxill - 04 Sep 2004 15:21 GMT
..> I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind of
criticized
> me for being involved with/donating time & money to the Humane Society.
> She
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sherry

Some friend. Your donating time and money to animal causes does not take
away her choice to donate to causes for children. (Maybe you should ask her
how many needy children she has adopted recently.)  It is not an either/or
situation.  Help is needed where it is needed.  You donate where your
passions lead you.
Animals have no resourses of their own.  Unlike human children, they will
not grow up to be independent.  It is your choice to decide what you do with
your resources, and non of her business to try to send you on a guilt trip.
Money and time spent on any good cause is not wasted.
Annie
polonca12000 - 04 Sep 2004 21:14 GMT
Very well said, Annie!
Best wishes,
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> Some friend. Your donating time and money to animal causes does not take
> away her choice to donate to causes for children. (Maybe you should ask her
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>  Money and time spent on any good cause is not wasted.
> Annie
Christine Burel - 04 Sep 2004 15:28 GMT
> >When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To establish
> >a connection to the community, I volunteered with Court Appointed Special
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

Sherry, how thoughtless a comment that was!  I never can make quick
comebacks but when you see her next tell her we all have our special ways to
help in this world, some work with animals, some with people, and we all are
part of a whole that tries to make the world a better place.  Tell her your
special gift is with animals and that you look foward to hearing how and
what she contributes to the welfare of children.

Hugs and purrs for you!
Christine
Mary - 04 Sep 2004 19:17 GMT
> Sherry, how thoughtless a comment that was!  I never can make quick
> comebacks but when you see her next tell her we all have our special ways to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Hugs and purrs for you!
> Christine

I make no apologies about the fact that I generally like
animals better than people. It's my life and my call.
Christina Websell - 04 Sep 2004 19:34 GMT
>> Sherry, how thoughtless a comment that was!  I never can make quick
>> comebacks but when you see her next tell her we all have our special ways
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I make no apologies about the fact that I generally like
> animals better than people. It's my life and my call.

My grandfather once told me "Never trust anyone who doesn't like animals,
they lack compassion."
I don't think he was wrong.

Tweed
Adrian - 04 Sep 2004 21:24 GMT
> My grandfather once told me "Never trust anyone who doesn't like
> animals, they lack compassion."
> I don't think he was wrong.
>
> Tweed

Your grandfather was a wise man. :-)
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 05 Sep 2004 19:19 GMT
>>My grandfather once told me "Never trust anyone who doesn't like
>>animals, they lack compassion."
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Your grandfather was a wise man. :-)

Once, when I was house-hunting, one of the ads I answered specified
"single man with dog".  Although I was "single woman with cat", I called
- you don't usually find prospective landlords actively SEEKING people
with pets.  The woman's rationale was that "people with pets are usually
kind people".  (The reason for wanting a man as a tenant was that she
felt men were less trouble than female tenants - of course, this was
long, long, LONG before the days when he might be likely to acquire a
"live-in" girlfriend after moving in.)
Dan and Nancy Mahoney - 04 Sep 2004 21:25 GMT
>>I make no apologies about the fact that I generally like
>>animals better than people. It's my life and my call.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Tweed

Nor do I. And I, too, generally like animals better than people. Have
for many years.

Dan
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Sep 2004 22:00 GMT
> I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind
> of criticized me for being involved with/donating time & money to
> the Humane Society. She said nobody should waste money on animals
> with so many abused and neglected and hungry children in the world.

And how is it her business, how you choose to spend your time and
energy? You're not hurting anyone, so she has no right to criticize
you.

I wonder what *she's* doing for the abused and hungry children of
the world? Maybe she is doing something, I don't know - but my own
experience with the busybodies of the world, who feel they have to
tell everyone else how to live, is that they're not exactly pinnacles
of virtue themselves. They're too busy correcting everyone else's
"mistakes" to have time to look at their own.

I agree with - was it Krista? Sorry, I can't remember who said this -
that everyone should do their part to heal the world in whatever
way they are called to do it. We're all unique individuals, so our
contribution is also unique. If we fail to listen to what truly moves
us, and instead try to do what we think others expect us to do, we
will not be making the best contribution we can make (or, if you have
a spiritual bent: we're not making the contribution we're *meant* to
make). You're at your best when you're following your true passions.

No one individual can fix everything. But if everyone did what they
felt the most strongly drawn to do, we'd all be far more effective at
whatever it is we do, and I think the world would be a much better
place.

OK, in terms of a snappy comeback, this wasn't exactly a soundbite. :)

Joyce
Kreisleriana - 04 Sep 2004 22:15 GMT
> > I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind
> > of criticized me for being involved with/donating time & money to
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Joyce

When I hear people carry on like that, I wonder how kind they think
people who neglect or are cruel to animals, are to *other people.*
Overwhelmingly, the fact is that people who are crappy to animals ARE
NOT compensatingly wonderful to human beings; they are just as crappy
to people as they are to animals.  In fact cruelty or neglect of
animals is a very good predictor of how a person will treat his/her
fellow human beings.
I wonder about people who think that people only have a finite amount
of love and caring that they only have to distribute to a select few.
People who are kind and caring tend to be kind and caring across the
board.

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Victor Martinez - 04 Sep 2004 22:23 GMT
> OK, in terms of a snappy comeback, this wasn't exactly a soundbite. :)

But it was verly eloquent. :)
I think that all living things deserve our help and compassion. I don't
necessarily think that human life is more valuable than animal life.
Humans can be so species-centric, we think we own the world when in fact
we're nothing but a tiny blimp in the history of our planet.
I would've told this "fried" that it is none of her business how I spend
my time and money and that we all do what we think it's best to make the
world a better place. If she wants to support only human charities that
is her right, but she has no right to tell others what to do.

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Annie Wxill - 04 Sep 2004 23:51 GMT
...> I think that all living things deserve our help and compassion. I don't
> necessarily think that human life is more valuable than animal life.
> Humans can be so species-centric, we think we own the world when in fact
> we're nothing but a tiny blimp in the history of our planet.
...> Victor Martinez

When you look at the bigger scheme of things, we humans are the only living
thing, from microscopic to whatever, that does not have a crucial place in
the chain of life.  Ultimately, we depend more on them than they do on us.
If we were to disappear, except for our pets and some other domesticated
animals that depend on us, we would not be missed.  In fact, it could be
argued that the planet would not only do just fine without us, in many ways,
it would be better off.
Of course, what separates us from other living things, is that we can choose
to be guardians of the planet, or throw that choice away.
Annie
Debbie Wilson - 05 Sep 2004 14:01 GMT
> I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind of
> criticized me for being involved with/donating time & money to the Humane
> Society. She said nobody should waste money on animals with so many abused
> and neglected and hungry children in the world. I really didn't have a
> comeback. (unusual for me).

I used to wait for someone to say that to me while I was fostering for
Cats Protection. My answer (which I never got a chance to use) is that
we are helping people just as much as we are helping animals.  

I had several examples ready, from my own personal experience:

- the young mother, victim of domestic violence, who had to escape at a
moment's notice with her 6-year-old son to a women's shelter but leave
her much-loved cat behind (her son's pet). She was very worried the
boyfriend would go back to their house and take out his anger on the
cat, but when we offered her a foster place at short notice, she was
able to ask a neighbour to get the cat which she then brought to us
(me). She and her son had peace of mind, and although she couldn't have
the cat back as she had nowhere to live, we rehomed it to another family
with a young child and she was happy to know this had happened.

- the single mum, with an autistic son who wanted a pet. They adopted a
lovely longhaired black male cat from us, a very laid-back and tolerant
cat. The autistic lad was very excited and delighted with 'Coal' and
they became firm friends.

- the elderly people who want company, but not the responsibility of a
kitten or young cat. We have a 'Golden Oldies' scheme where we adopt out
elderly cats, and pay all the vet fees. Very often an older person
appreciates the needs of an older cat and they can share a quiet and
slow-paced home life, knowing they don't have to worry about taking on a
pet which may outlive them.

- when a relative or friend passes away, we can ensure their loved cat
has somewhere to go, instead of it being left alone in the empty home,
or worse still, turned out to fend for itself.

- when there was a tragic domestic violence shooting resulting in the
death of one parent and the arrest of the other, the children went into
care and the house was boarded up. The children then asked what had
happened to their cat - the police were able to let us in and retrieve
the cat which they hadn't realised was there. I believe in that case the
children actually got to keep their cat in their new home which was
eventually with a relative.

There are many more examples I'm sure I and others here could describe,
but I defy anyone to continue to accuse us of not helping people after
hearing these stories. My personal reason for joining CPL was actually
to help animals, but I'm happy and satisfied that in doing so we help
people nearly as much.

HTH, Sherry -

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 05 Sep 2004 19:23 GMT
>>I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind of
>>criticized me for being involved with/donating time & money to the Humane
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Cats Protection. My answer (which I never got a chance to use) is that
> we are helping people just as much as we are helping animals.

My response would be that the law provides for abandoned children (maybe
not WELL, but it does).  Without the various rescue agencies, abandoned
animals have no one.  (And IMO, a society that neglects either the
children OR the animals is not very "civilized", whatever its level of
technology!)

> I had several examples ready, from my own personal experience:
>
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>
> Deb.
Steve Touchstone - 05 Sep 2004 22:55 GMT
<snip>
>There are many more examples I'm sure I and others here could describe,
>but I defy anyone to continue to accuse us of not helping people after
>hearing these stories. My personal reason for joining CPL was actually
>to help animals, but I'm happy and satisfied that in doing so we help
>people nearly as much.
OTOH, I suspect anyone who would make such a comment would be from
that group of humanity (?) who view pets as "things". I think they
would think the people you talk of helping were a little "off" in the
same way as those who do the animal rescue work. They are the sort to
whom a pet is just a thing, something nice to have, but not something
to really get worked up over if forced to leave behind. I don't really
understand those type of people, but there are a lot of them.
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Aleks A.-Lessmann - 09 Sep 2004 06:36 GMT
>> I had a friend say something really hurtful just today, she kind of
>> criticized me for being involved with/donating time & money to the Humane
>> Society. She said nobody should waste money on animals with so many abused
>> and neglected and hungry children in the world. I really didn't have a
>> comeback. (unusual for me).

Original didn't make it, so I'm piggybacking on Debbies post:

2 comebacks come to mind:
1.) "So I take it you spend your free time helping children? Would you
recommend the place YOU are donating your time to?" I BET that person
isn't doing diddly - neither for animals nor for humans.

2.) "And what I do on MY spare time is of your concern because...?"

I've spent time in the cause of humans and in the cause of animals -
animals are much more thankful.

Regards
Aleks
Yowie - 08 Sep 2004 00:05 GMT
> >When I moved to Texas, the only person I knew was my husband.  To establish
> >a connection to the community, I volunteered with Court Appointed Special
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> hungry children in the world. I really didn't have a comeback. (unusual for
> me).

A comeback would be: Well at least I'm doing what I can to lessen the
suffering in this world. What are *you* doing about it?

Yowie
Christine Burel - 04 Sep 2004 15:25 GMT
Beautifully said, Annie.
Christine

> ...>> It's times like these that make me despair and will often send me
> >> into another depression.  Thany you all for being here and helping me
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> Hugs to you, too.
> Annie
 
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