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Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 17:43 GMT
Hi everyone,
I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
me. Usually it's cats, but occasionally, it's another furry creature.
Saturday we went boating and spent the night at a marina. While we were
there, two puppies showed up, obviously dumped. Definitely in danger of
being hit by a car, or falling off a dock into the water.
(Sigh)
They looked to be about 10 weeks old, about the size of a good-size cat (10
lbs).  A little thin about the hips and with bloated, wormy bellies.
Potential to be big dogs, if allowed to grow up.
(I could see where this was heading. No, I say, I don't want to do this.)
Both white little girls, one with dark chocolate brown spots and the other
with black spots, sort of like little Holsteins (cow breed). Sweet little
faces, pink puppy tummies, a slight rash resembling flea allergy.
(O.K., give them some water. No dog food on board.  How about some cheese?)
Wagging tails and baby brown eyes. So grateful)
Other boaters gather around.  One brings some dog food he happened to have
onboard from when he took his dog for a ride.
(Cinder and Rosie waiting at home. About the last thing they  need is a
couple of worm infested potential to be big dogs disrupting their cozy
life.)
Two puppies spending the night in our boat's bathroom. Not a peep out of
them.  No pee, no poop, until Jim and I get up at 6 a.m. and take them to
the park across the street. Smart puppies do their business as requested.
(No, I don't want to do this. Need more puppy food. Bum a ride to a
convenience store. Buy the only two cans of food there.)
Puppies inhale the food. More waggy tails, baby brown eyes. Little licky
kisses on my fingers.
(OOHHH, somebody catch me before I fall.)
Four hour boat ride home on Sunday.  Puppies in the bathroom.  So exhausted.
Sleep the whole way.
Puppies in laundry room.
Cat boxes moved into the hall.
Kitties not allowed outside in the morning.
Cats know something is up.
Cinder has moved upstairs and does not want to come down.
Rosie doesn't seem to mind.
Took puppies to the vet this morning (Monday) for worming. Vet says they are
about 10 weeks old. Will be large dogs.
(Heaven help me.)
Now I will call the rescue organizations to try to find a slot for these
little darlings.
Anyone know anyone, especially in Texas, who would like one or more
no-longer-wormy, well behaved, beautiful puppies?
If so, Cinder, Rosie, Jim and I would be most grateful if you would let us
know.
Thanks,
Annie, and above mentioned parties.
Karen - 30 Aug 2004 17:51 GMT
Hmmm. Got a yard? :))  My cats always got along great with dogs. Especially
when they could train them from puppy hood ;))

> Hi everyone,
> I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> Thanks,
> Annie, and above mentioned parties.
Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 18:34 GMT
Karen,
We also have had dogs and cats together.  Compatibility is not our concern.
They got along just fine. I believe that our last dog was convinced that she
was one of the cats.
One immediate problem is that we have a small yard with rocks instead of
grass.  It really is not big enough for two dogs, unless they are very
small. Some of our neighbors have large dogs, and we feel sorry for those
dogs.
Our primary problem is that when Jim retires in a little more than a year,
we will travel by boat for a couple of years.
It will be plenty complicated fitting Cinder and Rosie into our plans. We
probably bring them with us, but we may have to have them fostered. Their
welfare comes first.  We will do whatever we believe will work best for
them.
Unfortunately bringing any more animals, especially two fairly large dogs,
into the picture at this time would not be right for any of us.
Annie

> Hmmm. Got a yard? :))  My cats always got along great with dogs. Especially
> when they could train them from puppy hood ;))
>
> > Hi everyone,
> > I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
> > me. ...> > Anyone know anyone, especially in Texas, who would like one
or more
> > no-longer-wormy, well behaved, beautiful puppies?
> > If so, Cinder, Rosie, Jim and I would be most grateful if you would let us
> > know.
> > Thanks,
> > Annie, and above mentioned parties.
Sherry - 30 Aug 2004 19:00 GMT
>Karen,
>We also have had dogs and cats together.  Compatibility is not our concern.
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>> > Thanks,
>> > Annie, and above mentioned parties.

Well at least they are puppies. That's in their favor. Whatever shelter or
rescue org. you choose will probably have pretty good luck homing them.

Sherry
Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 21:44 GMT
> Well at least they are puppies. That's in their favor. Whatever shelter or
> rescue org. you choose will probably have pretty good luck homing them.
>
> Sherry

Yes, they are a good age, and beautifully marked.  They will be gorgeous
when grown.
I've called the shelters in the area, and they are full.  We are on the
waiting list for one.  The person on the phone said she would talk to her
boss.
I've only called no-kill places.
I also put an ad in the paper.
We'll see.
Annie
Sherry - 31 Aug 2004 06:36 GMT
>Yes, they are a good age, and beautifully marked.  They will be gorgeous
>when grown.
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>We'll see.
>Annie

Annie, I know you don't want to do this, but if circumstances dictate that you
can't keep them at your home, any shelter that euthanizes will usually take
them and call you if they don't get adopted.  Of course, by doing that though
you probably expose them to all kinds of diseases like parvo and distemper.
Sigh. It's a sad situation. Wishing you the very best luck.

Sherry
Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 15:38 GMT
> Annie, I know you don't want to do this, but if circumstances dictate that you
> can't keep them at your home, any shelter that euthanizes will usually take
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>
> Sherry

I've talked to the vet.  We started with the worming.  Assuming we still
have them by the end of the week, I'll get them started on vaccinations.
I'm trying to get a picture to use for a notice to put up to advertise
them, like I did a while back with the tuxedo stray.  I'll put it online,
too, for anyone interested.
Unfortunately, our local animal control shelter is no place for animals. It
is a disgrace. Not only would they be exposed to diseases, they would be
exposed to ticks and who knows what else.
Annie
CatNipped - 31 Aug 2004 16:16 GMT
Annie, where in Texas do you live?  I haven't gotten DH's agreement yet, but
we have a large, fenced yard and I've been contemplating the idea of adding
a puppy to the household.

Hugs,

CatNipped

>> Annie, I know you don't want to do this, but if circumstances dictate
>> that
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> exposed to ticks and who knows what else.
> Annie
Christina Websell - 31 Aug 2004 20:54 GMT
> Annie, where in Texas do you live?  I haven't gotten DH's agreement yet, but
> we have a large, fenced yard and I've been contemplating the idea of adding
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Two sisters, even?  I pray that you have it in your heart to take both the
girls in and add them to your household and that there is room for them.
Isn't there room, isn't there?? in any sort of spare room or shed you might
have?  Surely there is, even if you went on to find another home for one
later to give them a chance.
Please understand I'm not guilt-tripping you ;-)

If I was in Texas..but I'm not.  I'd try to have at least one.

Tweed
I just love dogs.   I would almost go to the ends of the earth to protect
one.
CatNipped - 31 Aug 2004 21:15 GMT
> Two sisters, even?  I pray that you have it in your heart to take both the
> girls in and add them to your household and that there is room for them.
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> I just love dogs.   I would almost go to the ends of the earth to protect
> one.

Well, there's always room for just one more, isn't there? ;>  I'm still
working on DH.

My daughter used to have Rottweillers (sp?) and they are just the BEST d*gs!
They're very people-friendly, but very protective of their families.  I've
always maintained that a d*g is a better deterent to criminals than a gun,
so have been working on DH about getting a Rottie (or, really, any large
d*g) every since we bought the house (in Nov. of 2003).

However, DH is the one who is responsible for our finances (I am TOTALLY
irresponsible when it comes to finances), and he has held firm for all this
time.  If it were up to me there wouldn't be a stray cat OR d*g left in any
of our local shelters - they would all be crammed into our house with us.

The only other thing that gives me pause is that our back yard, with its 8
foot wooden fence, is a haven for the neighborhood stray kitties to keep
safe from the neighborhood stray d*gs.  They're provided with good food and
water, and a safe warm spot to sleep (under the hot tub on our raised deck)
in the winter.  I'd hate to take that away from them since ours is really
the only kitty-friendly house on the block - everyone else seems to have a
very large d*g.

I know if I got a puppy (or puppies) they would probably get used to the
kitties, but I don't know if the kitties would get used to the puppies and
might stay away.

Anyway, I'm still thinking about all the pros and cons.  I'll take to DH
again tonight.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Kreisleriana - 31 Aug 2004 21:49 GMT
>> Two sisters, even?  I pray that you have it in your heart to take both the
>> girls in and add them to your household and that there is room for them.
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>so have been working on DH about getting a Rottie (or, really, any large
>d*g) every since we bought the house (in Nov. of 2003).

Another doggie breed with a completely undeserved bad reputation that
is all stoopid people's fault, IMO-- stoopid treatment, puppy mills,
lack of training.  A well-bred, well-trained Rottie is a joy.  Why,
Carl, the famous canine baby sitter in the children's books, is a
Rottweiler. ;)

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Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 22:11 GMT
> My daughter used to have Rottweillers (sp?) and they are just the BEST d*gs!
...>
> I know if I got a puppy (or puppies) they would probably get used to the
> kitties, but I don't know if the kitties would get used to the puppies and
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>
> CatNipped

Hi Catnipped,
I tried emailing you privately with photos attached, but got an error
message.
These puppies do not look like they have any Rottweiller.  One of my
daughters has a Rottweiller that she took from the shelter the day the dog
was to be put down. I got to meet Rhonda when I went to my daughter's
wedding last week.  She is a delightful dog.
I think these puppies (we call them Jenny and Sissy now) will be lighter
built than Rotweillers.  I think more along the lines of a pointer.
Anyway, the babies are about the best behaved puppies I've ever seen.  They
are catching on to the housebreaking routine.  We only have a few accidents,
and that could be attributed to the worming medicine and that they are
babies and I've slept later than usual the last couple of mornings.
We have them in the laundry room and put up a baby gate this morning.  They
are also fine if we close the door.
Cinder has been avoiding them.  Rosie is fascinated by them, and enjoys
watching them through the window when they are outside.
This morning she was sitting in the kitchen when they trotted by to get to
the door.  They noticed her, but kept going.  She sat and watched them go
by.  I suspect from this behavior that they have seen cats before.
Annie
CatNipped - 31 Aug 2004 22:23 GMT
> Hi Catnipped,
> I tried emailing you privately with photos attached, but got an error
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> by.  I suspect from this behavior that they have seen cats before.
> Annie

Got it, thanks!  I'm still working on DH - sent him the pictures and he said
"AWWWWW".  I'm also asking around my work for others who might be interested
(I'd be willing to be the one who travels to pick them up.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 23:01 GMT
> Got it, thanks!  I'm still working on DH - sent him the pictures and he said
> "AWWWWW".  I'm also asking around my work for others who might be interested
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> CatNipped

You are so sweet.

For anyone interested, I put the photos in the Annie's album on
RPCA_Pictures@yahoogroups.com. I tried to rearrange the folder so they would
be the first three, but got a message that  I was denied access and that I
could only do this to my own photo account.
I thought I was in my own photo account.  My photos are the only ones in
that folder.
I wonder whose account it is.
Annie
Karen Chuplis - 01 Sep 2004 00:23 GMT
>> Got it, thanks!  I'm still working on DH - sent him the pictures and he
> said
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I wonder whose account it is.
> Annie

Definitely hound dogs. What cuties!!! We had a similar type of puppy/dog
named Babe. She was THE best dog ever. Great temperant, real sweetie. I sure
hope all works out and they get a good home (hopefully together. Everyone
should have a friend.). You are wonderful for doing this.
Marina - 01 Sep 2004 04:53 GMT
> For anyone interested, I put the photos in the Annie's album on
> RPCA_Pictures@yahoogroups.com. I tried to rearrange the folder so they would
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that folder.
>  I wonder whose account it is.

Aww, they're sweet (and I'm not even a d*g person). Purrs coming over for
them to find their onetruehome soon.

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Seanette Blaylock - 01 Sep 2004 02:54 GMT
"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Cinder & Rosie have surprise visitors:

>My daughter used to have Rottweillers (sp?) and they are just the BEST d*gs!
>They're very people-friendly, but very protective of their families.  I've
>always maintained that a d*g is a better deterent to criminals than a gun,
>so have been working on DH about getting a Rottie (or, really, any large
>d*g) every since we bought the house (in Nov. of 2003).

I'm sure I've posted before about one of Felix's stunts. We were at
TED's office one day, with Felix on a harness and leash [he dislikes
carriers and at his size, a carrier can be tough for me to manage
without DH, who was working that day]. He cruised right over to a
Rottie we didn't even *know*, snuggled up, and started power-purring.
VERY happy cat.

VERY freaked-out Meowmie. I like Rotties, don't misunderstand [I
generally prefer big dogs and most Rotties I've met were great], but
this was a LARGE d*g and I had no clue whether he had a problem with
cats.

Turned out he didn't, he was just majorly confused. He looked at
Felix, then up at his human [who thought the whole thing was funny]
with an absolutely bewildered look on his face that seemed to say,
"Uh, Dad? Doesn't this cat realize I'm a *big* d*g?" :-)

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Annie Wxill - 01 Sep 2004 16:45 GMT
..>
He cruised right over to a
> Rottie we didn't even *know*, snuggled up, and started power-purring.
> VERY happy cat.

Seanette,
This deserves a major aaawww.
Felix must have gotten good vibrations from that dog.  Maybe it was an
honorary cat.
Annie
Adrian - 02 Sep 2004 15:08 GMT
> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things
> to say about Re: Cinder & Rosie have surprise visitors:
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> with an absolutely bewildered look on his face that seemed to say,
> "Uh, Dad? Doesn't this cat realize I'm a *big* d*g?" :-)

I remember you posting that story, it still makes me smile.
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Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 21:19 GMT
> Annie, where in Texas do you live?  I haven't gotten DH's agreement yet, but
> we have a large, fenced yard and I've been contemplating the idea of adding
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Please email me privately at Annie_Wxill@hotmail.com.  I'll reply with
photos.
Annie
Sherry - 31 Aug 2004 18:35 GMT
>I've talked to the vet.  We started with the worming.  Assuming we still
>have them by the end of the week, I'll get them started on vaccinations.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>exposed to ticks and who knows what else.
>Annie

I was afraid of that. Most municipal shelters aren't good places. Sigh. You're
such a doll to help those pups. If I came across two large-breed puppes, I
don't know what I'd do. I guess I'd take them temporarily but I'd sure grouse
about it. Bless you.

Sherry
Kreisleriana - 31 Aug 2004 18:44 GMT
>>I've talked to the vet.  We started with the worming.  Assuming we still
>>have them by the end of the week, I'll get them started on vaccinations.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>I was afraid of that. Most municipal shelters aren't good places.

Second this.  I live in NYC-- the municipal shelter system is a
disgrace.  Not the fault of the people who run it-- funding it is a
low priority, apparently.  There are lots of community-based,
citizen-run rescue, S&N and shelter programs, but they are precarious.
The rent goes up, or someone gets sick-- the doggies and kitties can
abruptly lose their shelter.  And in a way, I don't think the success
of some is helpful... It just encourages the city and state to
underfund the public shelters, and slack off their responsibility to
the animal population.  "Look," they say, "private people are taking
up the slack."  My a.s. :P

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SUQKRT - 31 Aug 2004 23:40 GMT
Purrs for the puppies to find wonderful homes or home.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 30 Aug 2004 20:51 GMT
> Hmmm. Got a yard? :))  My cats always got along great with dogs. Especially
> when they could train them from puppy hood ;))

....And I'm told big dogs don't really eat that MUCH more than small
ones! ;-D  I've always wanted a dog, but my tastes run to the really
large ones, I have never had a proper sized yard, and I don't think it's
fair to the animal to keep it indoors in an apartment, except for the
daily walks.  (That works okay for little "apartment-sized" dogs - I've
heard those can even be trained to use a litterbox - but we're talking
Great Danes and/or Rotweillers, here.)
Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 21:57 GMT
... I've always wanted a dog, but my tastes run to the really
> large ones, I have never had a proper sized yard, and I don't think it's
> fair to the animal to keep it indoors in an apartment, except for the
> daily walks.  ... we're talking
> Great Danes and/or Rotweillers, here.

Hi Evelyn,
I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well in an
apartment with daily walks, but the puppies of those breeds will likely eat
a couch or two before reaching that stage of maturity.  You might look into
a Great Dane or Rotweiller breed rescue group and ask about an older,
settled dog.  You might be surprised.
Annie
Karen - 30 Aug 2004 22:08 GMT
> ... I've always wanted a dog, but my tastes run to the really
> > large ones, I have never had a proper sized yard, and I don't think it's
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> settled dog.  You might be surprised.
> Annie

Greyhounds are perfect for this. Big couch potatos that only need walkies.
Tanada - 31 Aug 2004 04:45 GMT
> Greyhounds are perfect for this. Big couch potatos that only need walkies.

Every greyhound I've ever seen needed lots of chance to run.

Pam S.
Big Bo - 31 Aug 2004 17:45 GMT
> > Greyhounds are perfect for this. Big couch potatos that only need walkies.
>
> Every greyhound I've ever seen needed lots of chance to run.
>
> Pam S.

Pam, one of our neighbor's raises Greyhounds.  They have a large lot and
plenty of room for running.  We hope it stays that way.  A lot of
development going on here and we don't hear the dogs barking.  Take good
care of your hubby.  Sorry we missed you on your recent trip. (??????)
Tanada - 31 Aug 2004 18:25 GMT
> Pam, one of our neighbor's raises Greyhounds.  They have a large lot and
> plenty of room for running.  We hope it stays that way.  A lot of
> development going on here and we don't hear the dogs barking.  Take good
> care of your hubby.  Sorry we missed you on your recent trip. (??????)

Ok, this is a new name for me.  What name do I know you as?  Being as
you're hanging out in here, I'm sorry I missed you too.

Pam S.
Big Bo - 03 Sep 2004 04:56 GMT
Pam, I'm in drag and cannot reveal my true id.  I am your friend from way
back.  If I give you a clue, someone will know who I am. I'm waiting for
that )(&#$((@# to jump on you again, you know the guy from Schertz, Texas??
Yeah, that one.  C ya and keep yer head down for the next few days.  Francis
is a blowin in and I have my windows nailed up tight and cold beer.

Bo

> > Pam, one of our neighbor's raises Greyhounds.  They have a large lot and
> > plenty of room for running.  We hope it stays that way.  A lot of
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>
> Pam S.
Tanada - 04 Sep 2004 19:41 GMT
> Pam, I'm in drag and cannot reveal my true id.  I am your friend from way
> back.  If I give you a clue, someone will know who I am. I'm waiting for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bo

Ok, I think I've guessed it.  However, I don't think Fruitty is going to
risk being troll-be-qued again by this group.  We'll see though.

Pam S.
Steve Touchstone - 31 Aug 2004 05:21 GMT
>> Hi Evelyn,
>> I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well in an
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Greyhounds are perfect for this. Big couch potatos that only need walkies.

I've never actually known anyone with a greyhound, but saw a program
about retired race dogs that said the same thing. But, like Pam S says
in another message, I've heard that they love to run (which I guess
makes sense for a sight hound bred for racing), nad once they get off
the leash it can be pretty tough catching them.
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Jo Firey - 31 Aug 2004 05:37 GMT
> >> Hi Evelyn,
> >> I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well in an
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> makes sense for a sight hound bred for racing), nad once they get off
> the leash it can be pretty tough catching them.

I really don't know about greyhounds, but I know how a dog will run varies
by breed as well.  My brother had adopted a husky before he learned that not
only do they like to run,  they are distance runners.  The dog thought his
two acre back yard was a good start.  Other dogs will at least stay in the
neighborhood or general vicinity when they do get loose.  His went for
distance.  You can't spend generations breeding in a behavior and expect it
to disappear.

Now the English Bulldog he has is perfectly happy to stay inside.

Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 31 Aug 2004 02:56 GMT
> Hi Evelyn,
> I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well in an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> settled dog.  You might be surprised.
> Annie

Well, if I were younger.... however, I'm beginning to realize that one
of these days, I'll have to be considering "senior housing".  One reason
I've not gotten a companion for Mèlisande since Patches died is that the
places which do allow pets at all only allow "one small pet", assuming
the resident is able to care for it.  I'm not faced with anything like
an immediate decision, but I'm not getting any younger and have no
immediate family, so sooner or later.... (And I look upon adopting an
animal as a lifetime commitment, ergo...)
Jo Firey - 31 Aug 2004 03:27 GMT
> > Hi Evelyn,
> > I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well in an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> immediate family, so sooner or later.... (And I look upon adopting an
> animal as a lifetime commitment, ergo...)

It was disconcerting when we got Rosie a year ago and I realized that this
is our first pet that has fairly good odds of outliving us.

Jo
Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 14:16 GMT
... I'm not faced with anything like
> an immediate decision, but I'm not getting any younger and have no
> immediate family, so sooner or later.... (And I look upon adopting an
> animal as a lifetime commitment, ergo...)

Evelyn,
I hope you have a long, long time before making that decision.  I agree that
adopting an animal is a lifetime decision.  As we get older, it becomes more
the question of whose lifetime, the animal's or yours.  Hard thing to
contemplate, either way.
Annie
Tanada - 31 Aug 2004 04:47 GMT
> Hi Evelyn,
> I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well in an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> settled dog.  You might be surprised.
> Annie

Rob's sis and BIL are involved with great dane rescue.  They have two
great danes.  you need room.  They are some BIG dogs.  A small yard
isn't enough and they will take out a small room with their tails.  I've
watched them do it.

Pam S. who changed her mind about getting a dane after watching them in
action
Adrian - 01 Sep 2004 12:32 GMT
>> Hi Evelyn,
>> I believe that the adults of some of the larger breeds will do well
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Pam S. who changed her mind about getting a dane after watching them
> in action

Every great dane I've known still wants to sit on someones lap. :-)
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Tanada - 02 Sep 2004 02:32 GMT
> Every great dane I've known still wants to sit on someones lap. :-)

SIL's dane, Alice is like that.  She stands over three feet at the
withers and thinks she's supposed to sit on any available lap.  I
refused to sit down; Rob sat down on the floor.  He ended up with Alice
on his lap and the male dog resting against his shoulders.  One could
barely see Rob.  When you throw in the drug d*g (SIL is a certified
handler) and the Chinese Tsu, (or whatever those strange d*gs are with
very little hair on their bodies and a mop on the top of their heads) a
2000 sq. ft house gets really small, really fast.

Pam S.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 02 Sep 2004 04:00 GMT
>> Every great dane I've known still wants to sit on someones lap. :-)
>
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> very little hair on their bodies and a mop on the top of their heads) a
> 2000 sq. ft house gets really small, really fast.

Have any of you read "The Ugly Dachshund" - I don't remember the author,
I read it several years ago.  It's about this Great Dane whose people
raise Dachshunds, so thinks he's one, too.  Consequently he's always
being scolded for doing what the "other" Dachsies do!  Delightful book -
I highly recommend it.

> Pam S.
Seanette Blaylock - 02 Sep 2004 06:51 GMT
Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Cinder & Rosie have surprise visitors:

>> Every great dane I've known still wants to sit on someones lap. :-)
>SIL's dane, Alice is like that.  She stands over three feet at the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>very little hair on their bodies and a mop on the top of their heads) a
>2000 sq. ft house gets really small, really fast.

My parents used to raise Dobermans. Biggest personality problem we
ever had with any we raised from puppyhood was that they always had
lots of trouble understanding when they'd outgrown laps. :-)

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Kreisleriana - 02 Sep 2004 15:06 GMT
>> Every great dane I've known still wants to sit on someones lap. :-)
>
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>
>Pam S.

Chinese crests, Gawd help us.  I live near a bodybuilder who has one,
the sight of this bulked-up guy walking this weird liitle dog is well
. . . weird.

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Kreisleriana - 31 Aug 2004 14:28 GMT
>... I've always wanted a dog, but my tastes run to the really
>> large ones, I have never had a proper sized yard, and I don't think it's
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>settled dog.  You might be surprised.
>Annie

I'll piggyback on here to back Annie up-- some large breed dogs are
relatively low evergy, and quiet indoors, as long as they get their
daily exercise.  I knew a Scottish deerhound whom you would hardly
know was there, except for the click click of his toenails, and an
occasional loud yawn.  Oh, and except for falling over him when he was
asleep in the middle of the floor.   Oh, and except for trying to get
into your lap. ;)
What a doll.  He was such a mushpot-- you would scratch his chest,
and eventually, his knees would collapse under him, and he would fall
over in bliss.  We would say, "Here goes Caleb--
TIIIIIMMMBERRRRRRRRR!"

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mlbriggs - 30 Aug 2004 18:51 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> Thanks,
> Annie, and above mentioned parties

We are sending purrs that those sweet puppies will find a loving home.
Also purring that whoever dumped them will suffer long from a guilty
conscience.  Best wishes.   MLB
Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 21:47 GMT
> We are sending purrs that those sweet puppies will find a loving home.
> Also purring that whoever dumped them will suffer long from a guilty
> conscience.  Best wishes.   MLB

Thank you.  I'd like to have a word or more with those low life puppy
dumpers.
Annie
Sherry - 30 Aug 2004 18:59 GMT
>Hi everyone,
>I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>Thanks,
>Annie, and above mentioned parties.

Awww. Face it, Annie. Now you're just a stop on the doggie underground
railroad. Bless you. What lake did you find them at?

Sherry
Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 21:52 GMT
> Awww. Face it, Annie. Now you're just a stop on the doggie underground
> railroad. Bless you. What lake did you find them at?
>
> Sherry

LOL. Like you should talk, Sherry, who crawls under a vehicle in the dead of
winter to rescue a cat.
They were at the Rockport Marina.
Fortunately, they were on the dock, so that I did not feel I should jump in
and get them, which would have been interesting because I don't swim that
well.
Annie
Sherry - 31 Aug 2004 06:00 GMT
>LOL. Like you should talk, Sherry, who crawls under a vehicle in the dead of
>winter to rescue a cat.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>well.
>Annie

I just wondered if it might be Texhoma. I wasn't sure where in TX you lived.
In the Depression/Dust Bowl, the hobos who traveled on foot in OK  used to
carve this crude picture of a cat face on a fencepost to indicate (to other
hobos) the people living in that house would feed a hungry and homeless man. I
must check the fenceposts--I think the cats must have their own version of this
tradition.

Sherry
Marina - 31 Aug 2004 06:25 GMT
> I just wondered if it might be Texhoma. I wasn't sure where in TX you lived.
> In the Depression/Dust Bowl, the hobos who traveled on foot in OK  used to
> carve this crude picture of a cat face on a fencepost to indicate (to other
> hobos) the people living in that house would feed a hungry and homeless man. I
> must check the fenceposts--I think the cats must have their own version of this
> tradition.

A crude picture of a hobo? ;o)

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Debbie Wilson - 31 Aug 2004 09:27 GMT
> A crude picture of a hobo? ;o)

ROFL :-)))

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Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 15:15 GMT
...I think the cats must have their own version ...

> A crude picture of a hobo? ;o)
> Marina, Frank and Nikki

Chuckle.  Never thought of that.
Annie
Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 15:14 GMT
> ...> In the Depression/Dust Bowl, the hobos who traveled on foot in OK
used to
> carve this crude picture of a cat face on a fencepost to indicate (to other
> hobos) the people living in that house would feed a hungry and homeless man. I
> must check the fenceposts--I think the cats must have their own version of this
> tradition.
> Sherry

I don't think you'll find it on the fence posts.
I think the cat version is some kind of invisible device implanted in
susceptible humans by the mothership that sends out signals for strays to
home in on.  In my case, it also snares an occasional dog.
Perhaps they are the ones chosen to be honorary cats.
Annie
Tanada - 30 Aug 2004 19:12 GMT
> Anyone know anyone, especially in Texas, who would like one or more
> no-longer-wormy, well behaved, beautiful puppies?
> If so, Cinder, Rosie, Jim and I would be most grateful if you would let us
> know.
> Thanks,
> Annie, and above mentioned parties.

You're such a good person to take in these little guys.  I'd love to get
Rob a d*g, but he says one more animal comes in, he's going out.  It's a
hard decision to make....

Pam S. thinking
mlbriggs - 30 Aug 2004 19:49 GMT
>> Anyone know anyone, especially in Texas, who would like one or more
>> no-longer-wormy, well behaved, beautiful puppies?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Pam S. thinking

At least you wouldn't have to ask the animals for permission.!!!
Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 22:11 GMT
...  I'd love to get
> Rob a d*g, but he says one more animal comes in, he's going out.  It's a
> hard decision to make....
>
> Pam S. thinking

Pam,
LOL. Hugs to both you and Rob. I hope you get a break.
Annie
Irulan - 30 Aug 2004 20:22 GMT
No suggestions here, but purrs and prayers that you will be able to
place these 2 sweet things. If people are going to get rid of animals,
why not bring them to a shelter or something instead of just dumping
them? It makes me so mad.
Jazz & his mama

> Hi everyone,
> I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> Thanks,
> Annie, and above mentioned parties.

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Annie Wxill - 30 Aug 2004 22:06 GMT
> No suggestions here, but purrs and prayers that you will be able to
> place these 2 sweet things. If people are going to get rid of animals,
> why not bring them to a shelter or something instead of just dumping
> them? It makes me so mad.
> Jazz & his mama

I'm finding out that it's not that easy to get them into a shelter.  But
they could do what I'll probably have to do. They could make signs and take
them around to vet clinics and other places and put an ad in the paper and
interview prospective adopters and worry about making the right decision.
What really bothers me, is if they don't want the puppies (or kittens), why
don't they have the mother dog or cat spayed?
This whole thing makes me furious. The emotional price we pay is as much as
the financial price to fix a problem we did not create and did not ask for.

Annie
Tanada - 31 Aug 2004 04:53 GMT
> I'm finding out that it's not that easy to get them into a shelter.  But
> they could do what I'll probably have to do. They could make signs and take
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> This whole thing makes me furious. The emotional price we pay is as much as
> the financial price to fix a problem we did not create and did not ask for.

Yes, but they're lazy bums, or they would have gotten the mother spayed
and not had the problem in the first place.

Pam S.
Sherry - 31 Aug 2004 05:55 GMT
>I'm finding out that it's not that easy to get them into a shelter.  But
>they could do what I'll probably have to do. They could make signs and take
>them around to vet clinics and other places and put an ad in the paper and
>interview prospective adopters and worry about making the right decision.
>What really bothers me, is if they don't want the puppies (or kittens), why
>don't they have the mother dog or cat spayed?

This is going to be long. But it's just an observation I've made. So many
people can't afford spay surgery. In fact, unless my views are just skewed by
only seeing people who come into the shelter, it seems like poor people are the
ones who have the most pets. The ones who take in strays, then they can't have
them fixed, etc. etc. Wealthier/middle-class folks seem to usually only have
one or two or three very pampered animals who have everything in the world they
want.

>This whole thing makes me furious. The emotional price we pay is as much as
>the financial price to fix a problem we did not create and did not ask for.

Oh, me too for sure. I quit donating to the shelter except for my yearly
membership, and started donating one spay/neuter per month to a low income
family. The shelter takes applications and I just let them choose who. It's not
much, but twelve spays in one year prevents literally hundreds of kittens or
puppies that would either end up dumped or back at the shelter.
Sorry for the rant. It's just something I've noticed a lot lately.
Of course, there's also the people who *can* afford and are just ignorant.
There's not a shortage of those, either.
Hope you're able to find a shelter who can take them.

>Annie
Tanada - 31 Aug 2004 06:07 GMT
> Oh, me too for sure. I quit donating to the shelter except for my yearly
> membership, and started donating one spay/neuter per month to a low income
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> There's not a shortage of those, either.
> Hope you're able to find a shelter who can take them.

What an excellent idea for a fund raiser.  Donate a Speuter...

Pam S. thinking.
Sherry - 31 Aug 2004 06:28 GMT
>> Oh, me too for sure. I quit donating to the shelter except for my yearly
>> membership, and started donating one spay/neuter per month to a low income
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Pam S. thinking.

It really is. There's some people that don't like thinking their money is going
for salaries, or euthanasia drugs and stuff. But they will respond to the
"Prevent a Litter" campaign. The shelter pays for 10 spays a month for
low-income folks, and there's always a few individuals that add to it. I
believe more and more that it's the best place to put donations. I firmly
believe we're going to see a difference next year at kitten season.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 31 Aug 2004 06:53 GMT
> started donating one spay/neuter per month to a low income
> family. The shelter takes applications and I just let them choose who.
> It's not much, but twelve spays in one year prevents literally
> hundreds of kittens or puppies

How do you do that? Does your shelter have something you can check off
saying that's where you want your donation to go? Or do you write a letter
specifying that's what it's for?

That's what I'd like to do - and will do if this hopeful job pans out
(still don't know!).

Joyce
Sherry - 31 Aug 2004 07:07 GMT
> > started donating one spay/neuter per month to a low income
> > family. The shelter takes applications and I just let them choose who.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Joyce

The shelter started this "Please Don't Litter" program, where they advertised
and took "applications" from low-income people. They choose 10 a month and do
them, and they pay for those. I just write them a check and tell them it's for
that program, and they add one more name to the spay list, making 11. I used to
send the check straight to the vet before the program got better organized, and
they'd call an owner who had applied and tell them which vet to go to.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 31 Aug 2004 10:23 GMT
> The shelter started this "Please Don't Litter" program, where
> they advertised and took "applications" from low-income people.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> organized, and they'd call an owner who had applied and tell them
> which vet to go to.

It sounds like an excellent idea, and it's great that you do it.

Joyce
Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 14:40 GMT
....just an observation I've made. So many
> people can't afford spay surgery. In fact, unless my views are just skewed by
> only seeing people who come into the shelter, it seems like poor people are the
> ones who have the most pets.
Hi Sherry,
It would make sense that the people who do not spay or neuter for whatever
reason would have the most pets.
However, on a tangent to this conversation, I have been intrigued by
observing the dogs of the homeless people who congregate around our local
grocery store.  These are the best behaved dogs I have ever seen.  They walk
right along with their people, crossing busy streets, and don't run off to
chase anything.  It is such a contrast to the dogs I often see walking their
people on a leash in my neighborhood and elsewhere around.
I'm kind of afraid to ask one of the homeless if the dog is spayed or
neutered, or if not, what happens to the results.  I have, however asked
people walking dogs in my neighborhood if they are carrying a baggie or
whatever to clean up after them.
Annie
polonca12000 - 31 Aug 2004 20:12 GMT
What a great idea!
Best wishes,
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> Oh, me too for sure. I quit donating to the shelter except for my yearly
> membership, and started donating one spay/neuter per month to a low income
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> >
> >Annie
polonca12000 - 30 Aug 2004 22:41 GMT
Annie, thank you so much for taking such good care of the puppies.
Lots of purrs and best wishes for them to find their onetruehome really
soon,
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<snip>> Now I will call the rescue organizations to try to find a slot for
these
> little darlings.
> Anyone know anyone, especially in Texas, who would like one or more
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> Annie, and above mentioned parties.
Cheryl - 31 Aug 2004 01:31 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "Annie Wxill"
<Annie_Wxill@hotmail.com> artfully composed this message within
<news:cgvlg5$s3q$1@newsreader.mailgate.org> on 30 Aug 2004:

> Anyone know anyone, especially in Texas, who would like one or
> more no-longer-wormy, well behaved, beautiful puppies?
> If so, Cinder, Rosie, Jim and I would be most grateful if you
> would let us know.
> Thanks,
> Annie, and above mentioned parties.

Aww Annie. Bless your hearts, all of you. They sound like such little
love bundles and I'd take them off your hands if I could!  I have the
perfect yard for dogs, and as much as I love them I don't think my
cats would do well. I thought about giving it a try fostering dogs
but I'd hate to make a commitment just to have to turn them back. :(  
Good luck with helping to find their onetruehome.

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Marina - 31 Aug 2004 04:26 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
> me. Usually it's cats, but occasionally, it's another furry creature.
> Saturday we went boating and spent the night at a marina. While we were
> there, two puppies showed up, obviously dumped. Definitely in danger of
> being hit by a car, or falling off a dock into the water.

Purrs that the puppies find a good forever home, and purrs of thanks to you
and Jim for taking care of them until they do. Purrs also for Rosie and
Cinder to endure this trial in their lives. ;o)

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LOL - 31 Aug 2004 06:06 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
> me. Usually it's cats, but occasionally, it's another furry creature.
> Saturday we went boating and spent the night at a marina. While we were
> there, two puppies showed up, obviously dumped. Definitely in danger of
> being hit by a car, or falling off a dock into the water.
(snipped)

We're sending foreverhome purrs for the little darlings, and purrs and
hugs to you for being such a su... ummm, I mean taking such good care
of them.  All I've got at the moment is teeny little Hubert poops to
send to the evil dumpers, but they'll have to do.

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Krista
Annie Wxill - 31 Aug 2004 15:30 GMT
...  All I've got at the moment is teeny little Hubert poops to
> send to the evil dumpers, but they'll have to do.
> Krista

I only wish I could take all the wormy poop those pups have deposited in my
yard and deliver it to the evil dumpers.

Poor Rosie must have felt like she was picking her way through a mine field
when I let her outside this morning.  I asked the vet about letting the cats
out and he said they would be O.K.  They are on Revolution.  Rosie has been
watching the pups through the glass door.  When they came in for their nap,
I let her outside for a while.

I think things are getting to normal now that the worming medicine has run
its course.  I'll have to get out there and clean up as much as I can.
I think the worse is over.

Annie
Kreisleriana - 31 Aug 2004 14:18 GMT
>Hi everyone,
>I guess I forgot to turn the radar off. That's how they know where to find
>me. Usually it's cats, but occasionally, it's another furry creature.
>Saturday we went boating and spent the night at a marina. While we were
>there, two puppies showed up, obviously dumped. Definitely in danger of
>being hit by a car, or falling off a dock into the water.
<snip>

<the sound of a melting heart> ;)

Honestly, what is with some people (whoever discarded these sweet
babies)?  Hope they find homes right quick.

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