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Mischief - 28 Aug 2004 03:02 GMT These next two journals cover the last two days at work. They can be grouped into two categories, happy and sad.
This is the sad one, so if you are feeling depressed or are in a bad mood, SAVE THIS FOR LATER!!!!
Yesterday I came into work and saw Alister the kitten in a cage. I like Alister. He's a six month old orange ginger cat with a fiesty personality. I was there when we were drawing blood for an FELV/FIV test. He was a QUITE a handful. He didn't think too much of the dewormer I gave him either.
I was curious why he was in the clinic. I was pretty sure he had already been spayed. Now on each cage we have an index card with the pet's first and last name and in the corner, a brief abbreviation of what the animal is here for. It'll say things like Blood, X-rays, or if it's boarding the dates they are staying. I walked up to the cage and my jaw dropped when I read the card.
He was there to be declawed. (Awwww s***)
Until yesterday I didn't know that the clinic performed declaws. Yipes! In the cage next to Alister's there was a pretty white cat named Angel. Angel didn't look to happy and when I checked the file I noticed that he had been declawed on Tuesday. (double s***)
I didn't know enough to help out , but I just went about my daily duties. I helped clip toenails and bathed dogs, fed and medicated animals. But for the first few hours, I would look into Alister's cage and feel really sad.
When they were doing the operation, I had never seen it before, and I'm technically not supposed to hover nearby. So I went about and did other things, but I would pass by the doctor doing the operation every time I walked through the treatment room. Next thing I look over and Alister is being putting back into the cage, which both front legs wrapped in bandages. I walk up to the table and I can see the claws lying on a towel. My fingers hurt just looking at them.
I took a deep breath and kept working. I did my other daily tasks, but it was a slow day and it's hard sometimes to keep busy.
Later at the end of the day, when we give all the evening medications, my co-worker Susan took out Alister so I could give him some oral Amoxicillan drops. So I gently reach up and grasped the head gently and start to work the syringe into the corner of his mouth. Alister suddenly freaks, and bites down. I pulled back just a bit so he just chomped down on the syringe, but that easily could have been my finger. Then we gave him a painkiller shot which he did not like. He was fighting us and trying to bite at the bandages. Poor thing.
This morning the bandages were removed but Alister was kicking and screaming the entire time. He's got an appetite but it's pretty obvious that he's quite grumpy. I don't blame him a bit. Both he and Angel would tuck in their front feet so they wouldn't have to put too much weight on their front paws. He's staying one more day for observation. Angel went home today though. They are both young cats, and I'm told that doing it at a younger age is better. (yeah, define 'better')
I don't know anything about the client. Client relations is not my job. I'm guess that this kitten is going to be strictly indoors. I wish I could saw something, but once the vet and/or the client make the decision, there's nothing I can do about it, even if it's something like euthanasia or declawing. Now, I was very tempted to ask Dr. C, at the end of the day why we even offer doing something like this. I kinda dropped the subject to my supervisor Jen and she agreed that it was a horrible thing to do. But I kept my mouth shut because I wasn't sure how to approach and ask him, but more importantly because since I'm such a new employee, I don't feel I'm in a position to raise criticisms on the types of treatment we offer. I supposed I could quit and try to find a place that doesn't declaw.
However, I do really enjoy working there and I know I will learn a lot. Watching Jen's reaction tells me, that I just have to grin and bear it, since there's nothing I can do. I could raise the subject and raise a ruckus over it, but it's not worth it enough to me. And most clinics do perform this, though there are those that refuse to do it.
Quite depressing, isn't it? But as always in life there are tons of things that really piss us off but we can't do anything about.
Kristi
(if your'e really depressed now, go on to Vet Tech journals 8)
Karen Chuplis - 28 Aug 2004 04:07 GMT > I supposed I could quit and try to find a place > that doesn't declaw. You don't have to quit, but you can look around. i'm afraid that would be a terribly diffiuclt position to be in. On the bright side, you have been there sometime and not seen this so they must not do many so it doesn't sound like it is "part of a package" as in many places. They may not encourage it but do it if owners insist which is at least something.
Steve Touchstone - 28 Aug 2004 04:46 GMT >These next two journals cover the last two days at work. They can be >grouped into two categories, happy and sad. [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] >Quite depressing, isn't it? But as always in life there are tons of >things that really piss us off but we can't do anything about. Awww, so sorry to hear about Angel and Alister. Purrs on the way for them. I wonder if you could get together with Jen and feel her out about how the Docs at the clinic feel about it. I realize that some vets are in the business of making money rather than because they love animals, but hopefully those you're working for aren't that sort.
When Little Bit moved in and had her babies it had been over twenty years since I'd had a cat, and I was pretty cat-ignorant. I picked the closest vet to my apartment out of the phonebook and lucked out and found a good one. My regular vet has pamphlets which he gives out whenever his clients ask about declawing - which I was given when I told him how long it had been since I'd had a cat. Reading them left me convinced how bad declawing is.
Guess what I'm saying is that it might be possible, depending on the type of vets you're working for, for something like to be established at your clinic. Still doesn't mean that all the cats would be spared declawing, since some people will keep doing it until it becomes illegal like it already is in many places.
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Helen Wheels - 28 Aug 2004 08:19 GMT <snip sad story>
> However, I do really enjoy working there and I know I will learn a > lot. Watching Jen's reaction tells me, that I just have to grin and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (if your'e really depressed now, go on to Vet Tech journals 8) It must be difficult to have to watch procedures like this go on. Maybe one day you will be in a better position to do more about it, but for the moment you can be sure that your love and caring for the little ones while they're in hospital is definitely helping them. If you just left now, the kitties would still be subjected to those procedures and they'd have one less friend while they were recovering.
polonca12000 - 28 Aug 2004 16:16 GMT So sorry to hear that, Kristi. But maybe things will change for the better, since declawing is forbidden by law here in Slovenia. Hugs,
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> These next two journals cover the last two days at work. They can be > grouped into two categories, happy and sad. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > He was there to be declawed. (Awwww s***) <snip
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 28 Aug 2004 21:17 GMT > But I kept my mouth shut because I wasn't sure how to approach and ask > him, but more importantly because since I'm such a new employee, I > don't feel I'm in a position to raise criticisms on the types of > treatment we offer. I supposed I could quit and try to find a place > that doesn't declaw. I suspect I would have - but jobs were a lot easier to find, when I was young.
> However, I do really enjoy working there and I know I will learn a > lot. Watching Jen's reaction tells me, that I just have to grin and > bear it, since there's nothing I can do. I could raise the subject > and raise a ruckus over it, but it's not worth it enough to me. And > most clinics do perform this, though there are those that refuse to do > it. I stopped taking my cats to my vet in Pasadena, after I discovered he not only performed the surgery, but was actually advertising laser surgery for the purpose. (Which may be less painful and traumatic for the cat, but is still declawing!)
> Quite depressing, isn't it? But as always in life there are tons of > things that really piss us off but we can't do anything about. SFAIK, it is illegal in almost all civilized countries but the U.S. - you might consider becoming a political activist for animal rights, and doing something about passing similar laws here.
Christina Websell - 28 Aug 2004 22:01 GMT > > But I kept my mouth shut because I wasn't sure how to approach and ask > > him, but more importantly because since I'm such a new employee, I [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > you might consider becoming a political activist for animal rights, and > doing something about passing similar laws here. It is certainly illegal here in the UK, and I don't think it has even been thought of. Cats have claws. Don't like claws? Get a different pet. It's as simple as that for me. How would they protect themselves without their claws? From dogs etc. A good slash on the nose of a dog when cornered has saved many a kitty. They need them.
Tweed
Sherry - 29 Aug 2004 04:26 GMT >SFAIK, it is illegal in almost all civilized countries but the U.S. - >you might consider becoming a political activist for animal rights, and >doing something about passing similar laws here. Here's a list of countries where declaw is illegal; I stole it from somebody's old post. No idea whether it's inclusive or not. But I thought ya'll might find it interesting.
England ; Scotland; Wales; Italy; France; Germany; Austria; Switzerland; Norway; Sweden; Netherlands; Northern Ireland; Ireland; Denmark; Finland; Slovenia; Portugal; Belgium; Brazil; Australia; New Zealand; Yugoslavia; Japan
Adrian - 29 Aug 2004 13:38 GMT >> SFAIK, it is illegal in almost all civilized countries but the U.S. - >> you might consider becoming a political activist for animal rights, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Denmark; Finland; Slovenia; Portugal; Belgium; Brazil; Australia; New > Zealand; Yugoslavia; Japan That must be an old and incomplete list, there are many more countries where declawing is illegal. Yugoslavia no longer exists, Slovenia was once part of Yugoslavia but is now an idepedent country and a member of the European Union.
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Sherry - 29 Aug 2004 18:02 GMT >> Here's a list of countries where declaw is illegal; I stole it from >> somebody's old post. No idea whether it's inclusive or not. But I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >once part of Yugoslavia but is now an idepedent country and a member of >the European Union. Thanks Adrian. I kind of suspected it. (although I'm so geography-illiterate I didn't know about Slovenia) The reason I stole it in the first place was for a newsletter article. If anybody can add their country/or others that are missing, I'd sure appreciate it.
Sherry
polonca12000 - 29 Aug 2004 21:39 GMT Wow, Adrian, you know a lot about us! Best wishes,
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> That must be an old and incomplete list, there are many more countries > where declawing is illegal. Yugoslavia no longer exists, Slovenia was > once part of Yugoslavia but is now an idepedent country and a member of > the European Union. Tanada - 30 Aug 2004 03:36 GMT > Wow, Adrian, you know a lot about us! > Best wishes, I've been checking out the Slovenia tourist site http://www.burger.si/ that you posted, and am in lurve. Slovenia is so BEAUTIFUL. I've added it to my if I can ever get over to Burope list of places I want to see. Polonca, if we ever get over there, would you be willing to be a tour guide?
Pam S.
polonca12000 - 30 Aug 2004 22:12 GMT I'd love to meet you and your family, Pam, and I'd really enjoy showing you around. There's just one problem - I get terribly car-sick. I'm ok if the roads are straight, but unfortunately some aren't. So if you ever come to Slovenia I'll show you all that I can and try to find some way for you to see the other places you want to see. Very much looking forward to meeting you if at all possible,
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> I've been checking out the Slovenia tourist site http://www.burger.si/ > that you posted, and am in lurve. Slovenia is so BEAUTIFUL. I've added [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pam S. Tanada - 31 Aug 2004 04:30 GMT > I'd love to meet you and your family, Pam, and I'd really enjoy showing you > around. There's just one problem - I get terribly car-sick. I'm ok if the > roads are straight, but unfortunately some aren't. So if you ever come to > Slovenia I'll show you all that I can and try to find some way for you to > see the other places you want to see. > Very much looking forward to meeting you if at all possible, Its a deal then. Gotta find a way to MAC over there
Pam S.
Marina - 29 Aug 2004 04:31 GMT > SFAIK, it is illegal in almost all civilized countries but the U.S. - > you might consider becoming a political activist for animal rights, and > doing something about passing similar laws here. To continue on the sad subject, I just saw an announcement on the door to my block of flats. It seems this American family who have been living here are now moving to Cambridge, and want to give their two cats to a loving home because of British quarantine laws. Then it says, "Both cats are declawed on both front and back paws, so they will not scratch furniture." Imagine having brought their cats all the way from the US, but not bothering to take them from here to the UK. AFAIK, they should be able to move them quite freely inside the EU, they would just need some papers from the vet. And this brought declawing a bit closer to home. To me, declawing has been something that they do far away on the other side of the Atlantic, but now there are two declawed cats living in the same building as I am. Poor kitties.
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Jo Firey - 29 Aug 2004 04:30 GMT > > SFAIK, it is illegal in almost all civilized countries but the U.S. - > > you might consider becoming a political activist for animal rights, and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > there are two declawed cats living in the same building as I am. Poor > kitties. Could they be unaware that the quarentine laws are much less restrictive than they were only a few years ago? They may still think they would have to board the cats for 6 months and think a new home might be easier on them.
Jo
Marina - 29 Aug 2004 05:23 GMT > Could they be unaware that the quarentine laws are much less restrictive > than they were only a few years ago? They may still think they would have > to board the cats for 6 months and think a new home might be easier on them. Yeah, I was thinking I'd give them a call. If they're determined to leave their cats, I could put them in touch with the local animal protection society.
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Adrian - 29 Aug 2004 13:43 GMT > To continue on the sad subject, I just saw an announcement on the > door to my block of flats. It seems this American family who have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > there are two declawed cats living in the same building as I am. Poor > kitties. That is so sad. I found it hard to believe anyone knowing what this procedeure involves would inflict on any living creature, especially one they profess to love.
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Christina Websell - 29 Aug 2004 21:11 GMT Declawing:
> That is so sad. I found it hard to believe anyone knowing what this > procedeure involves would inflict on any living creature, especially one > they profess to love. Maybe it's because I am naive, maybe because I'm English like you so declawing has never been part of the equation of owning cats. But it's this: Cats have millions of claws (or it seems like it if you are trying to groom Kitty FC) Sometimes they scratch the furniture, or you. That's just a fact of life. So if you don't want an animal with claws that will probably do these things, why get a cat??
I've always found it pretty impossible to keep a smart house and have pets as well. It's one or the other really. I had a dog, Daisy (RB), who suffered from separation anxiety. She eventually ate a whole arm off my armchair. I just patched it up, and I still have it. My footstool suffered similarly, so I darned it. Pets can be, and often are, messy and destructive, especially when they are young.. Everyone should be told that firmly before they get one. <gets off soapbox> Thanks for listening.
Tweed
Adrian - 30 Aug 2004 10:33 GMT > Maybe it's because I am naive, maybe because I'm English like you so > declawing has never been part of the equation of owning cats. But [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tweed I would much rather have animals arround me, than a smart house any day.
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Sherry - 30 Aug 2004 19:08 GMT >I would much rather have animals arround me, than a smart house any day. Oh, for sure. I sure was never accused of having a home out of the pages of House Beautiful. It's always messy. But it's a good messy, a mess that reflects comfort and the things we love. (Well, four of those things just happen to throw cat hair all over the place and occasionally claw furniture, hark up a hairball once in a while, scatter litter in a 4-ft. diameter, shred newspaper...)
Sherry
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Yowie - 08 Sep 2004 00:02 GMT > >I would much rather have animals arround me, than a smart house any day. > >-- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hairball once in a while, scatter litter in a 4-ft. diameter, shred > newspaper...) What I *really* don't understand is those people who get their cats declawed "to save the furniture" and then go on to have human children. Human children are far more destructive, messy, stain producing creatures than the worst cat could ever be!
Cary has already been sick all over the lounge (sofa), has peed on the lounge (never change a diaper on the lounge!), knocked my coffee over into it, and there's a stain where his overly full nappy decided to leak. You can soak his clothes, but I don't know how to soak a lounge (this is why people with children have brown lounges!).
The worst Shmogg has ever done to the lounge is to put a few claw holes in it. Unsightely, yes, but people don't look at cat claw marks and wonder whether they should actually sit down or not.
Yowie
Sherry - 08 Sep 2004 04:26 GMT >What I *really* don't understand is those people who get their cats declawed >"to save the furniture" and then go on to have human children. Human >children are far more destructive, messy, stain producing creatures than the >worst cat could ever be! Oh HONEY. I learned that long ago, and re-learned since I've had rental properties. Cats don't mark on the walls with magic markers or flush toys down the toilet. Or jump on the bed, or use your original issue Beatles LP's for frisbees. The list goes on. Humane children are way lots harder on the furniture and house than most cats ever think about. That's not to even mention wrecking the car, bringing home boyfriends with pink hair...am I scaring you yet?
Sherry <--- LOL, just messin' with you, Yowie. :-)
Caroline S. - 08 Sep 2004 23:15 GMT Heh, I hear you on that Yowie. Two words: washable slipcover. Or, reversible cushions ;-)
We have stains on the carpet from the sweet potato baby snacks spit up (orange). The carpet shampooer has made nary a dent in those.
coos to Cary -Caroline S.
> > >I would much rather have animals arround me, than a smart house any day. > > >-- [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 24/08/04 Tanada - 09 Sep 2004 21:57 GMT > What I *really* don't understand is those people who get their cats declawed > "to save the furniture" and then go on to have human children. Human [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > soak his clothes, but I don't know how to soak a lounge (this is why people > with children have brown lounges!). We "Scotch-guarded" heavily, and still had stains from the bare kittens. I just cleaned up a lot, never gave them brightly colored food, play-do, gum (ice cubes work well, but it is still a pain when you sit on fresh gum), or other destructive stain makers. We used a lot of stain removers, scrub brushes, and became resigned to not having new looking furniture longer than a month, after bringing it home.
However, no matter how strict you are with them, they will still jump, puke, play, write, draw, and do anything else they can think of, on all of the objects in the house. One of the best things about cats is, cats are smart enough to leave the area when they see a miniature human coming after them. The cruelest thing I could think to do is punish the cat for defending him/herself from the bare kitten.
Pam S.
Sherry - 09 Sep 2004 23:32 GMT >We "Scotch-guarded" heavily, and still had stains from the bare kittens. > I just cleaned up a lot, never gave them brightly colored food, Good plan. If I had it to do over, I'd never let them know that red Kool-aid exists.
Sherry
Helen Wheels - 30 Aug 2004 13:19 GMT > Declawing: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed I don't really get it either. To me cats' claws are part of their beauty - I just love the contrast of the sharp nails in the middle of all that soft furriness.
Marina - 30 Aug 2004 14:54 GMT > I don't really get it either. To me cats' claws are part of their beauty > - I just love the contrast of the sharp nails in the middle of all that > soft furriness. Me too. As an analogue for the whole animal, that's pretty good. The fierce hunter in a soft and beautiful body.
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Debbie Wilson - 29 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT > AFAIK, they should be able to move them quite > freely inside the EU, they would just need some papers from the vet. Yes indeed - Finland is part of the Pet Passports Scheme. I wonder if the people are aware of this? They could easily take their cats with them:
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/procedures/support-info/ countries.htm
(watch out for the line-wrap in that link) Is it worth letting them know this, do you think - just in case they aren't aware?
Deb.
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Marina - 29 Aug 2004 17:32 GMT "Debbie Wilson" <debbie@zoobotanica.com> wrote
> > AFAIK, they should be able to move them quite > > freely inside the EU, they would just need some papers from the vet. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Is it worth letting them know this, do you think - just in case they > aren't aware? I'll try to contact them. Thanks for the link.
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O J - 29 Aug 2004 16:05 GMT On 27 Aug, Kristi wrote:
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> I walked up to the cage >and my jaw dropped when I read the card. > >He was there to be declawed. (Awwww s***) ---------------------<snip>----------------------
I will never believe that an owner who has this done can truly love their cat. We adopted my dear departed Misty declawed from a friend who decided that a cat didn't fit into her lifestyle anymore. We originally used the same Vet and discovered while looking at her medical records that our friend was responsible for the declawing though she had denied it to our faces.
We then thought that Misty would like some company, so we were looking for an adult cat that had been declawed. We were naive enough to think that we shouldn't mix natural and declawed cats. We had no trouble at all in finding Lady Jane Grey.
We then heard of a cat from a friend who let us know he was declawed and up for adoption. Being left alone all day, he got into a little mischief and knocked over a plant or two. The people who had him released him to someone else who gave him to yet another family. Those people let him run outside in coyote country. Now he's my beautiful Russian Blue snuggy-man. All of them are strictly inside cats.
I think it just goes to show that someone who would declaw just wants an ornament and not a member of the family. My solution, whenever the subject comes up is this: ***If you want a declawed cat, ADOPT one***.
My natural and declawed cats get along fine, so don't be afraid to mix them.
Regards and Purrs, O J
Sherry - 29 Aug 2004 17:58 GMT >I will never believe that an owner who has this done can truly love >their cat. I completely agree that nobody who *knows* what the surgery is could do it and love their cat. The really sad thing is, so many people think it's part of being a "good" pet owner. They truly do. Vets even offer "packages" along with spay/shots. Good people who have made their minds up to declaw are so easy to talk out of it. They just need the information and mostly they are horrified. I've seen it so many times. One time an old lady that didn't drive called the humane society and asked if someone could pick her cat up for her and bring it to her. I didn't know her but she was a long-time donor. It was at the vets. I offered to do it. Turns out it was a kitten that had been declawed. It was still very groggy and had these pitiful, bloody paws. It just haunted me, still does.
Sherry
Adrian - 30 Aug 2004 10:25 GMT >---------------------<snip>---------------------- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > though she had denied it to our faces. >---------------------<snip>---------------------- If I were in your position she would definately be an ex friend. Like you, I will never believe that an owner who has this done can truly love their cat, if they know what the procedure involves.
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