Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / August 2004
Jasper's done it again/Diabetic cats
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Cathi - 15 Aug 2004 06:27 GMT Those of you who were posting here four years ago or so may remember that Jasper, our handsome black DSH male, has a small bald patch on one leg. He was involved in a fight; his leg was bitten, and one of the many punctures became infected with an abcess as the result. Luckily our fantastic vet was able to sort things out for him, and the bald spot is all there is to show. No limping or movement problems.
Well, Jasper's been bitten again, on the same leg. This time we were able to see the wound, and he's been to the vet to have it cleaned up and bandaged. He's getting around with relative ease, and his appetite hasn't been diminished!
One thing of concern though .... in the tests the vet did, it would appear that Jazzie's glucose levels were high, indicating the possibility of diabetes. He's about 7 years old BTW. It could be that the levels were high owing to the stress of the fight/wound/etc but ..... we shall have to wait and see.
Anyone here with experience of diabetic cats - any advice you can offer? It may be something that can be controlled with diet, according to our vet; Jasper, whilst a solid cat, isn't fat, and is very active.
TIA
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JBHajos - 15 Aug 2004 12:06 GMT >Those of you who were posting here four years ago or so may remember >that Jasper, our handsome black DSH male, has a small bald patch on one >leg. Yes, I've been with the Group for nearly seven years and remember Jasper. Sorry to hear he's been hurt again.
>Anyone here with experience of diabetic cats - any advice you can offer? Our Hobo's experience is almost identical to Jasper's. Last summer he was attacked by a semi-feral tom who spent his time terrorizing the neighborhood. Hobo's back leg was wounded and took forever and a day to heal. Seemed no amount of antibiotics, ointments, even an E-collar, helped at all. It kept re-infecting but finally healed over. Then in January, we noticed that Hobo had difficulty with his back legs crumpling under him as he walked. Back to the vet for an X-ray to check for a possible hairline fracture from the bite. Long story shorter, there was no break but the vet (a new one) suggested testing for diabetes. Weakness in the back legs is one sign of it as is the long healing process. It was, indeed, diabetes - a full-blown case of it. His glucose level was sky-high. How I wish it had been caught earlier - and I truly hope that Jasper is NOT diabetic or that it's been found early enough that diet alone will help.
Hobo's case has been a roller-coaster ride. It's been difficult getting him stabilized. He'd lost a lot of weight, "crashed" twice, has frequent glucose-level checks, has insulin injections twice a day, and has a special Purina DM (diabetes management) food (that is available only from a vet). Even so, his glucose level continues to rise and his insulin dosage increased. It's a rough battle.
I truly don't mean to scare you or sound pessimistic. Hobo just suffered with it too long before the disease was discovered. Probably Jasper was just stressed out and will be all right. I got good advice from folks here in RPCA; Zuzu (Megan) was a tremendous help, too, especially since I knew zilch about diabetes.
Anyway, that's been our experience. Best of luck to you and Jasper. Keep us updated.
Jeanne
Cathi - 15 Aug 2004 12:56 GMT (snip Hobo story for compactness)
Thanks. No sign of weakness in the legs so far. And he seemed to like his antibiotic tablet, which is a bonus - the vet commented that they are made to be palatable. He certainly seems healthy enough other than a fetching red bandage on the affected leg.
At least this time we caught his wound early. With the first one, the first we noticed was him limping very badly. Trying to look at his foot was impossible; he swore and scratched - not like him at all. This time, although he's using the leg with care, he is at least using it.
Carrie thinks this is wonderful. She gets "out" time in the garden without the risk of being attacked by a bouncy black cat!
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Larry - 15 Aug 2004 19:03 GMT Diabetes is a very treatable disease. However many people do want to put up with the treatment. I presently have three diabetic cats that I adopted when their caretakers no longer wanted them. My latest was not being treated when I adopted him. He, Mario is now doing fine after about two months of twice daily insulin shots and a dental to pull 5 teeth.
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JBHajos - 15 Aug 2004 19:58 GMT >Diabetes is a very treatable disease. However many people do want to put >up with the treatment. I presently have three diabetic cats that I adopted >when their caretakers no longer wanted them. Right - diabetes is treatable and manageable - but not curable. And there are different kinds of experiences and histories with individual cats - some respond well to a treatment while others don't. Since our Hobo's has a yo-yo effect, the vet is considering putting him on a different type of insulin. We'll see how that goes, hoping for a good solution. Many kudos to you for adopting and caring for those unfortunate kitties from whom love and commitment were withdrawn when their care became "troublesome."
Jeanne
My latest was not being
>treated when I adopted him. He, Mario is now doing fine after about two >months of twice daily insulin shots and a dental to pull 5 teeth. Howard Berkowitz - 15 Aug 2004 23:51 GMT > >Diabetes is a very treatable disease. However many people do want to > >put [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > unfortunate kitties from whom love and commitment were withdrawn when > their care became "troublesome." At least in humans, one of the challenges is that insulin is also an appetite stimulant. With the exception of metformin, every class of diabetic treatment drug in humans tends to cause weight gain because they improve the transfer of sugar into cells. That's good in its way, because it's the surplus of circulating sugar (and its metabolites) that does the damage.
If there are filling but low-calorie foods, they will help. Does Jasper, by any chance, like any fresh vegetables?
Cathi - 16 Aug 2004 07:18 GMT >At least in humans, one of the challenges is that insulin is also an >appetite stimulant. With the exception of metformin, every class of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >If there are filling but low-calorie foods, they will help. Does Jasper, >by any chance, like any fresh vegetables? Have never tried! - are we taking fresh and raw, and if so, which veg?
We're still having no problems at all getting him to take his antibiotics. I have no idea at all what does it, but he seems to view them more as a kitty treat than a tablet. That's something of a weight off my mind as we're going away next weekend, and I'd have to arrange with his boarding cattery for pilling.
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Howard Berkowitz - 17 Aug 2004 03:19 GMT > >At least in humans, one of the challenges is that insulin is also an > >appetite stimulant. With the exception of metformin, every class of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Have never tried! - are we taking fresh and raw, and if so, which veg? It varies wildly. Although they would be higher in sugar, I've seen several cats like melon, and some adored tomato-based spaghetti sauce. Chatterley went through stages, such as being willing to kill for the juice from canned lima beans.
Given cats will eat grass, maybe alfalfa or bean sprouts?
> We're still having no problems at all getting him to take his > antibiotics. I have no idea at all what does it, but he seems to view > them more as a kitty treat than a tablet. That's something of a weight > off my mind as we're going away next weekend, and I'd have to arrange > with his boarding cattery for pilling. Clifford used to get a human pediatric version of amoxicillin, which had a strawberries and cream flavor. It never failed...he'd struggle against getting the liquid squirted into his mouth...then stop...lick his lips...lick the dropper...and inquire *more*? While he was a most intelligent cat, I never could get across the idea that it would be easier and more pleasant for everyone if he'd just lick it up to begin with.
polonca12000 - 15 Aug 2004 22:01 GMT Thank you so much for taking care of the diabetic kitties! Best wishes and purrs,
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> Diabetes is a very treatable disease. However many people do want to put > up with the treatment. I presently have three diabetic cats that I adopted > when their caretakers no longer wanted them. My latest was not being > treated when I adopted him. He, Mario is now doing fine after about two > months of twice daily insulin shots and a dental to pull 5 teeth. Marina - 15 Aug 2004 14:24 GMT > One thing of concern though .... in the tests the vet did, it would > appear that Jazzie's glucose levels were high, indicating the > possibility of diabetes. He's about 7 years old BTW. It could be that > the levels were high owing to the stress of the fight/wound/etc but > ..... we shall have to wait and see. I don't have experience with diabetes in cats, but do have 34 years of experience with diabetes in me. ;o) We are sending lots of purrs that Jasper's wound heals soon and that the high glucose was, indeed, due to the trauma and not a sign of diabetes.
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CATherine - 15 Aug 2004 16:40 GMT >Anyone here with experience of diabetic cats - any advice you can offer? >It may be something that can be controlled with diet, according to our >vet; Jasper, whilst a solid cat, isn't fat, and is very active. > >TIA My Sheba had diabetes last year. With insulin for a few months and a rigid high protein/low carb diet, she has been off insulin since last Dec. Her glucose is now just fine. Jasper's sugar level could just be due to stress. Check it again after the meds are done. In the meantime, I would feed him the high protein/low carb diet. Canned Fancy Feast is great as long as the flavors are NOT sliced, grilled or marinated. Diet dry food has less carbs than regular or senior. But his activity and physical condition tells me he is unlikely to be really diabetic. Purrs,
-- CATherine
Cathi - 15 Aug 2004 18:31 GMT > Diet dry food has less carbs than regular or senior. That's useful to know. Carrie is on a "senior" diet - when Jasper allows her to finish it off, that is. Maybe that's part of the problem ....
Goldfish would be far less trouble!
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~*Connie*~ - 15 Aug 2004 16:49 GMT jasper could definitely have his sugars off cause of stress. But if he is diabetic it is highly manageable. Not to worry. My own kitty has been diabetic for a number of years, and we did actually have a hard time regulating him. despite using PZI insulin, and DM food. We got him to an herbalist, who prescribed herbs, and we had him regulated in no time.
> Those of you who were posting here four years ago or so may remember > that Jasper, our handsome black DSH male, has a small bald patch on one [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > Cathi Singh - 16 Aug 2004 00:41 GMT (snip)
One thing of concern though .... in the tests the vet did, it would appear that Jazzie's glucose levels were high, indicating the possibility of diabetes. He's about 7 years old BTW. It could be that the levels were high owing to the stress of the fight/wound/etc but ..... we shall have to wait and see.
For the last 4 years of his life Fritzie was diabetic, and he was 15 when he tested positive for it.
We gave him insulin twice a day, and fed him prescription cat food from the vet, either Hills or Purina. If he gets finicky like Fritzie did, talk to your vet about adding fat-free, unsalted chicken or beef broth from the health food section of the grocery store to the dry food and that'll flavor up the prescription stuff.
It is easy as hell to shoot up a cat: you get him by the scruff, pinch it up a bit so you make sort of a small flesh-tent, insert the needle quickly and you're done. The key is to do it quickly, then your cat won't even flinch. Your vet may even prescribe human-type glucose-regulating pills like Precose or Glipizide.
Cats can go into remission with proper care and stay there for the remainer of their lives, or slip back. Fritzie went into remission twice. Ask the vet to show you the signs of hypoglycemia just in case. You'll spend the first few months of his treatment getting tested once to twice a month depending on initial results. He'll get a simple test called a glucosamine which you get the results that day. The vet may want to do a more complex test called fructosamine every two to three months, which shows the broader picture: the diabetes in terms of glucose levels, as well as how other organs are hit by it. Diabetes can hit the kidneys in later stages and the vet may want to put your cat on potassium supplements, and have you do supplemental fluids every other day or so. You do this just like giving the cat insulin, only the needle's bigger and you may have to get help holding the IV bag. Or the cat. Don't panic, please! Each case is individual. And if you caught it early in your cat, good for you! Like cancer, early detection is half the battle won. Diabetic cats can and do go on for a good many years after diagnosis.
We learned about Fritzie after I had oral surgery and my then-fiance was staying overnight to make sure I didn't do anything stupid while on the drugs. He noticed that Fritzie was in bad shape and took us to the emergency vet, where we learned that Fritzie was dangerously diabetic and had less than 50% chance of making it through the night. He was 15 then. He lived, tough boy that he was, and stayed almost 4 more years. I still miss him.
God willing your boy's not diabetic, but if he is the good news is that you found it early and can take proactive measures to give him an optimum quality of living. Taking care of it isn't as difficult as you may think. Best to you, and to your baby too!
Blessings,
Baha
Steve Touchstone - 16 Aug 2004 01:19 GMT <snip>
>Anyone here with experience of diabetic cats - any advice you can offer? >It may be something that can be controlled with diet, according to our >vet; Jasper, whilst a solid cat, isn't fat, and is very active. Sorry no experience or helpful hints, but are sending purrs
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