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UPDATE:  Mediation

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Ginger-lyn Summer - 25 Sep 2003 19:09 GMT
Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
screamed and called me a liar over and over again :-(  I was calm and
clear throughout.  Finally, she was done screaming, and left an
opening for me to ask her a question.  And we began talking.  And
actually came to an agreement.

Even though it isn't in the "official" agreement we signed, she also
agreed that she will not complain about me putting out food for the
stray cats as long as I take it up at night, which also is what seems
to be legal so far as I can tell from a reading of the city law.  So I
get the feed the strays again -- yeah!

I can't say I'm happy.  I don't think I got through to her at all
about taking better care of her animals.  And I had to be composed and
not scream and yell back, much as I wanted to.  But a fragile peace
has been restored to the neighborhood, and that is worth a lot.

Thanks to everyone for their support and suggestions.

Ginger-lyn
who was watching the cutest thing a bit ago -- Brando was practically
sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)
Yoj - 25 Sep 2003 19:34 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
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> sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
> with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)

I'm glad things turned out as well as they did.  You have a right to be
proud of yourself for keeping your cook under extreme provocation.  If
you had lost your temper and replied in kind, nothing would have been
gained.  However, it must have taken an immense amount of will power to
stay calm.  Kudos to you for doing so!

Joy
Karen - 25 Sep 2003 19:40 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
> with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)

That sounds to me like a lot better than it could have been. I hope it all
works out.

Hugs
Karen
JHBennett - 25 Sep 2003 20:30 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
> screamed and called me a liar over and over again :-(

My case for unfettered strangulation.  --JB

I was calm and clear throughout.

Excellent!  Difficult to do sometimes.  --JB

 Finally, she was done screaming, and left an
> opening for me to ask her a question.

Had to take a breath, right?  --JB

And we began talking.  And
> actually came to an agreement.

She's going to immolate herself?  --JB

> Even though it isn't in the "official" agreement we signed, she also
> agreed that she will not complain about me putting out food for the
> stray cats as long as I take it up at night, which also is what seems
> to be legal so far as I can tell from a reading of the city law.  So I
> get the feed the strays again -- yeah!

Hmmm..... As in, if it's legal, try and stop me.   Well, it's movement in
the right direction.  So you did make progress.  --JB

> I can't say I'm happy.  I don't think I got through to her at all
> about taking better care of her animals.

My case for flogging for the first offence, then drawing and quartering, if
it ever happens again.  --JB

 And I had to be composed and
> not scream and yell back, much as I wanted to.  But a fragile peace
> has been restored to the neighborhood, and that is worth a lot.

Might I suggest, now that you have established a tenuous peace, you have an
excellent opportunity to take her unaware by inviting her over for coffee
and a chat.  Neither of you want to see another deterioration of situation,
so she might buy into the notion of keeping more connected.  Might work for
you in a couple of ways.  For one, it's hard to stay angry at people you
know.  For another, it would be an opportunity for you to do a bit of subtle
soft sell....very carefully, as she's likely going to be suspicious.  Wait
for her to ask something ..... well, I'm sure you can figure it out.  You
certainly have done well enough thus far.  --JB

> Thanks to everyone for their support and suggestions.
>
> Ginger-lyn

Do keep us posted.  I still have contacts with the Air Force--you know,
bombs, missiles, and stuff.  So, if you could come up with the exact
coordinates....

Ya done good, Ginger-lyn
   Cheers,
Jack
Seanette Blaylock - 25 Sep 2003 22:07 GMT
"JHBennett" <Ben.net@mvn.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: UPDATE:  Mediation:

>Do keep us posted.  I still have contacts with the Air Force--you know,
>bombs, missiles, and stuff.  So, if you could come up with the exact
>coordinates....

Can I turn you loose on some of my neighbors? The types who think
everyone for a block radius needs to hear their bass-heavy "music", or
who think moving furniture, practicing drums, etc. at 3am [these
specimens live right above me] is a reasonable thing to do?

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to be one of the most misguided assumptions ever." - Alan Krueger in NANAE
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Yowie - 26 Sep 2003 04:57 GMT
> "JHBennett" <Ben.net@mvn.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: UPDATE:  Mediation:
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> who think moving furniture, practicing drums, etc. at 3am [these
> specimens live right above me] is a reasonable thing to do?

Hey! I think your neighbours must be related to mine! While I have 2 great
neighbours, and the other 2 I never see or hear, the last set we share a
fence with are just like yours. Along with what you've described about, they
clearly thing its appropriate to tune their Harley at 7am on weekends, to
have loud drunken parties all weekend, every weekend, with the guests
parking up & down our very narrow stree - often blocking our driveway and
swearing at us each time they see us venture from our house. They have also
have a pitbull (not illegal in Australia) that seems to want Fluffy's blood.
They've killed our lawn with weed poison and have complained several times
about 'our' mouse problem - apprantly we are so badly infested that the mice
are coming over to their yard and makes their dog muck up his carefully
designed garden. We have not seen one mouse in our yard or our house (the
whole estate is built on slab) in the three years we've been there and
surely if there were *any* mice at all Shmogg, master mouser, would have
snagged a few by now. The worst bit about them, though, is hearing their
arguments. He beats the crap out of the woman - I assume his partner- living
there.

I strongly suspect that they are what we know as "westies" from Sydney (drop
kicks, red-necks, Jerry Springer candidates, call 'em what you want) who
have suddenly come into money and discovered they can buy a whole house down
here rather than rent in Sydney. (not saying ours is a rich neighbourhood,
it certainly isn't, but most people struggle with their mortgage for the
first few years of home ownership - these guys moved in and within  a month
or two they had entirely renovated the place and, put in an extension and
landscaped the garden. They obviously *have* money, but their behaviour
strongly suggests that they didn't grow up with it). They entirely do not
fit into the neighbourhood, and *nobody* in the street likes them! As it is,
we've got to fence up part of our back yard so that the pitbull can't
terrify Fluffy through the shared fence - and all they said about their dog
was "yeah, he'll kill your dog easily". I really really hope they move.
Soon.

Sorry, pass the cheese.

Yowie
JHBennett - 26 Sep 2003 07:48 GMT
And we thought we had it bad.   You've got good metal, Yowie.  Hopefully
things will take a turn for the better...soon.
   Cheers,
Jack
Jo Firey - 26 Sep 2003 18:03 GMT
I don't care for where my mind went after reading your post.  Do you think it is
possible that they are dealing drugs?  Would certainly explain their attitude about
money.  They aren't going anywhere till they have to, so it may be time for the
neighbors to get together to discuss the problem and find out from the authorities
what might be done about it.  The expressions, consider them armed and dangerous, and
do not approach yourselves come to mind.

Jo
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> > "JHBennett" <Ben.net@mvn.net> had some very interesting things to say
> > about Re: UPDATE:  Mediation:
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>
> Yowie
JHBennett - 27 Sep 2003 01:41 GMT
> I don't care for where my mind went after reading your post.  Do you think it is
> possible that they are dealing drugs?  Would certainly explain their attitude about
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>
> Jo

You know, Jo, you've started me thinking.  Some boxes of OTC cold products,
containing ephedrine, over the fence.  An anonymous call to the authorites
about a clandestine meth lab......  Sounds like neighborhood improvement to
me.  Ah, be sure to wear gloves at all times, and put celophane over the
mouthpiece.
   Cheers,
Jack
JHBennett - 26 Sep 2003 07:42 GMT
> "JHBennett" <Ben.net@mvn.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: UPDATE:  Mediation:
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> --
> Seanette Blaylock

   Seanette, I'd dearly love to assist you in any way I can. However, and
trust me on this, bombs and missiles are really a bad idea for taking out
targets immediately overhead.
   My axiom was: always rent the highest unit in the building.  Better
plan, own the building.  Best solution: be the only resident.  We, as you
may know, are going through a considerable upheaval to get away from a
neighbor from hell.  So, you do have my sympathy.  If I had a simpler
solution, for sure I'd tell you what it was and use it myself.
   For whatever vicarious satisfaction you might gain from the knowledge,
my lawyer confirmed that I can compell him to remove his fence from our
property and shall so advise him this coming winter, when the ground is
frozen.  We're talking major bucks and hassle here ;-)  Hope my counting
coup on this end helps.
   Cheers,
Jack
Tanada - 25 Sep 2003 20:58 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> not scream and yell back, much as I wanted to.  But a fragile peace
> has been restored to the neighborhood, and that is worth a lot.

Great job, Ginger-lyn.  You handled her perfectly.  Maybe you can use
this open dialog to enlist her help with the other neighbors.  A little
flattery goes a long way, and pointing out what she did right with her
animals will help soften the blow of what she's doing wrong.  You'll
bring her and the rest of the neighborhood around.  Just hang in there
and remain your sweet self.

Pam S.  who has no sweet self
polonca12000 - 25 Sep 2003 22:00 GMT
I'm so glad things went relatively well.
Lots of calming hugs, purrs and best wishes for you, Ginger-lyn,
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> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  <snip>
But a fragile peace
> has been restored to the neighborhood, and that is worth a lot.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
> with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)
Christine Burel - 25 Sep 2003 23:53 GMT
Sounds like you had a helluva day yesterday but I'm very happy you were able
to maintain your cool and make some progress.  Major recovery purrs and hugs
for you, Ginger-lyn.
Christine
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
> with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)
Hazel Az - 26 Sep 2003 01:55 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.

Ginger-lyn you are awesome!  This may be the beginning of good things to
start happening in your neighborhood.  I am purring and praying that peace
and happiness will reign and you will develop the neighborhood that you
want.

Hazel Az
Marina - 26 Sep 2003 04:52 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.

Well, at least that is over with. It does seem to have gone quite well, for
a first opening of communications. Many purrs that you can continue
communicating.

> Ginger-lyn
> who was watching the cutest thing a bit ago -- Brando was practically
> sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
> with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)

Aww! Now, why can't all people be more like that?

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Adrian - 26 Sep 2003 20:45 GMT
> Well, we had the mediation yesterday, and the neighbor actually did
> show up.  It was pretty awful for the first hour and a half.  She
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> sitting on top of Internet, and Internet was bathing him, complete
> with a paw around Brando.  They are just too adorable :-)

I'm glad things worked out as well as they did. I know I would not have been
able to stay calm in your place.
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A House Is Not A Home, Without A Cat.

Ginger-lyn Summer - 27 Sep 2003 18:35 GMT
Just wanted to thank all of you for your wonderful support and warm
words.  You folks here are truly wonderful people, and I am lucky to
be a part of such a wonderful group :-)

Ginger-lyn
and thank you, Jack, for the laugh!
 
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