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The Worst Birthday Ever (Long)
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 15 Jul 2004 19:40 GMT All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when all hell breaks loose.
You see, we had these stupid neighbors across the street awhile back. They let their cats run outside, and couldn't seem to get the concept of "spaying" (even though I explained it to them several times). I once saw their Russian Blue, on the coldest night of the year, standing on a sheet of ice as I came out to put food and water in the dishes for the outdoor critters. Very sad.
Now, maybe six months ago, I found a little white kitten on my porch. Assumed it was a stray. I already had a rescue kitty in the Kitty Rescue Room, so I did the only thing I could (and being a quasi-apartment manager does have its advantages!): I put kitten in the empty apartment next door.
A few years ago, I posted about my horrible neighbor who kept her cat chained up pretty much her entire life, a life cut short by feline leukemia. She allowed this cat to die slowly and painfully at home, chained up, while her children watched. Grrrr. She also kept her dog chained up, never walked her, and had her son take out the soiled newspapers on a daily basis.
I talked to her nicely about all this -- several times. She ignored every bit of good advice I gave her. So when she started chaining the dog outside 24/7, without adequate shelter and food and water, I called the Humane Society.
Since then, she has been furious with me and barely spoken to me. Four years.
Last Friday, I catch her on my porch, moving the outdoor critter dishes to the back. She's freaked by the raccoons that sometimes come around. She somehow thinks they won't come to the back porch? I don't know. But it's dark out back, and smaller. Much more difficult to scoop up any stray cat. So I move them back to the front, and endure her screaming at me at the top of her lungs, cursing me with every possible name (including the "C" word), in front of the entire building (everyone just happens to be on their porches), including children.
About a month ago, the brother of the awful neighbor from across the street (who has since moved) asked me if I wanted the Russian Blue's two kittens. I said I couldn't keep them, but I could get them into a shelter, rescue group, something. Monday, he knocks on my door and asks if I still want them. "Yes", I reply. But I wasn't set up yet, so asked him to come back Tuesday with the kittens.
So it's Tuesday, and I'm sipping wine and watching "Big Fish". I hear the third awful neighbor, next door to me. These people scream and curse at each other and their children *constantly*. Their children have ruined my garden fence, picked my flowers, and probably stolen things from my porch (can't swear to that, but things are missing). The landlord is evicting them, but that takes time. Anyway, I hear them talking about kittens, and go "Oh, no!" And go out and see the guy has given the kittens to them. Now, they have a history of animal abuse. They only want a cat to catch mice. I am appalled that this guy would go back on his word and give these kittens to these idiots! So I say "I'm sorry, but you are not allowed to have animals (which was my understanding), please give me the kittens."
All hell broke loose. Not only did I have them screaming and cursing at me, children crying, horrible things being said, but the other animal-abusing neighbor comes down and starts screaming at me for the second time in less than a week.
It's my birthday. I have been verbally assaulted, and nearly physically so. I have been threatened. All because I am trying to help these two little kittens find a good home.
In tears, terrified, I call the landlord. He does not know what to do, either, but suggests I give them the one cat back since, chances are when they leave, they'll dump it, and I'll get it anyway. And otherwise, call the police Nothing has been specific enough to call the police on ("We'll get 10 pit bills!" probably doesn't qualify as a threat of bodily harm), so I reluctantly go over with the little black kitten, say "I was mistaken, here".
It broke my heart. That little adorable girl will have nothing but a short and miserable life more than likely. And I have been accused of and called everything in the book. All for trying to help animals.
I just do not understand people anymore. I really don't.
Ginger-lyn very depressed
Karen - 15 Jul 2004 20:09 GMT Ginger-Lyn I am so sorry that you have to go through that. I wish I could raze your neighborhood or tap it with a magic wand or something. It sounds like such a terrible stressful place. If it's any consolation you tried to do what you could. I don't have any advice because it sounds like just a very bad situation. I guess if you *see* anything you can call the animal control, but I sometimes wonder just how effective that is. If they really are not allowed to have animals, I guess you could check on that. It really sucks. I'm sorry.
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> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > Ginger-lyn > very depressed m. L. Briggs - 15 Jul 2004 20:16 GMT >All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, >and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >Ginger-lyn >very depressed I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation. We are told that everything happens for a purpose (don't necessarily believe this) but try to find the purpose in this -- you finding a better place to live. In my mind's eye, I see you living in a beautiful place and you dressed in silks and satins! (for lounging purposes only, of course). I really hope the coming year brings you much better neighbors. Purrs for the fur kids. MLB
Mary - 15 Jul 2004 20:21 GMT > I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation. We are told that everything happens for a purpose (don't necessarily believe this) but try to find the purpose in this -- you finding a better place to live.
Heartfelt agreement.
Melissa Houle - 16 Jul 2004 07:02 GMT > > I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy Birthday > IN SPITE of the awful situation. We are told that everything happens for a > purpose (don't necessarily believe this) but try to find the purpose in > this -- you finding a better place to live. > > Heartfelt agreement. And from me too. I'm sorry you had to go through that verbal abuse, and am sorry for all the cats and dogs these terrible people have abused. Good for you for at least TRYING to help the animals! (Geez, all that happened on MY last birthday was the death of my car. I feel lucky.) I hope that when the wheel turns and the Terrible Tenants finally leave, you will get those particular kittens back. One thing I know is, little Nina will never leave my care!
Do something this week that you really love to do as a delayed birthday treat to raise your spirits in the short term. Personally, I believe birthday hoopla should last at least a week, anyway.
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:03 GMT >I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy >Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation. We are told that everything [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >hope the coming year brings you much better neighbors. Purrs for >the fur kids. MLB Thanks, ML. I love your vision :-) And I actually do think this might be the Universe hittiing me with a clue-by-four to *move*. I don't see how we can in our financial situation (landlord keeps rent low for long-term tenants; I think the last time he raised it was 7 years ago! So finding an affordable place would be difficult). We'd love to have a house, but that seems totally out of reach. But you never know. We lost two decent tenants because they lucked out and found houses, and I bet their incomes weren't much better than ours. Hopefully, there's something out there for us, with wonderful neighbors to boot!
Ginger-lyn
polonca12000 - 20 Jul 2004 21:26 GMT Lots of best wishes and purrs for you to find a great and affordable house,
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> found houses, and I bet their incomes weren't much better than ours. > Hopefully, there's something out there for us, with wonderful > neighbors to boot! > > Ginger-lyn Yowie - 20 Jul 2004 22:31 GMT > >I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy > >Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation. We are told that everything [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Hopefully, there's something out there for us, with wonderful > neighbors to boot! Purrs for you to find a great place to live!
If youare on good terms with the Landlord, perhaps you can ask him/her if they know of anywhere else you can rent for approximately the same amount you are paying now. Most Landlords own more thanone property, and if you are a good tenant, they'd probably prefer you to take another on eof their properties rather than seeing you leave altogether.
Good Luck!
Yowie
Ginger-lyn Summer - 21 Jul 2004 19:37 GMT >Purrs for you to find a great place to live! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Yowie Oh, yeah, I'm on great terms. But he only owns one other double, just a half-block away, and it's full. I think our only option is to see if there is any way we can afford a house. May have to be a small, run-down one, but hey, as long as the neighorhood isn't bad . . . .
Ginger-lyn
Magic Mood Jeep? - 21 Jul 2004 00:22 GMT If you're really SERIOUS about relocating, there's a rental HOUSE across the street from me that is currently empty. Dumbass landlord keeps renting to college students that skip out on him, so I'm sure he/she would welcome a 'regular' tenant.
Last couple left over Christmas break, only came back to get one of their cars that they left behind - it wasn't running, so it had to be towed. Either that or landlord had it towed & sold it in lieu of back rent. Landlord had a couple come & do some 'cleaning' at the place, but all they did was pile all the junk left by previous tenants (that included some carpeting, a weight bench, and at least 3 bikes, one of them a little girl's) up at the head of the driveway (all that stuff is now ruined by the umpteen storms we've had since then), fix the privacy fence on the back/side yard, get into a major screaming argument (I heard her scream something about not liking being treated like a dog) and leave in a huff. Only people I've seen since then is a guy doing some mowing on the embankment by the road (and he could have been from he city/county doing roadside mowing), and I saw some guy leaving the property on a motorcycle. The mailbox has fallen off the post - it's on our side of the road, right next to ours - and I sure ain't gonna fix it.
House has been empty since then, as far as I can tell. Before this last couple, it was empty for a couple of years, and we had collection agencies calling us looking for them. We told them all we knew was the guy's name was Eric (from a stray piece of mail postman put in our box by mistake) and that they'd been gone for over 6 months.
The thing about it is you would have to do some serious relocating, as we are in Couth-Central Indian ;)
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> >I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy > >Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation. We are told that everything [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ginger-lyn Ginger-lyn Summer - 21 Jul 2004 19:40 GMT >If you're really SERIOUS about relocating, there's a rental HOUSE across the >street from me that is currently empty. Dumbass landlord keeps renting to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >The thing about it is you would have to do some serious relocating, as we >are in Couth-Central Indian ;) Ouch -- feel badly for your landlord. Sadly, there seem to be more tenants like these than good ones these days.
I think I'll pass on moving to Indiana, though ;-) DH has a stable (we hope -- crossing fingers) job here, so unless OSU has a branch where you are he could transfer to . . . . I think the house idea is what we're going to look for. There is help available from one group, plus his employer, so I think we could get $6,000 in downpayment approved and given, if we could find a house and get approved by whatever agency (bank?) does that. Just hope my horrible credit rating doesn't block us.
Ginger-lyn
Magic Mood Jeep? - 21 Jul 2004 19:57 GMT It's not OUR landlord, we own (actually, the BANK owns, we pay the bank).
I'm not even sure exactly WHO owns the property, but I know it must be a rental as it's never been for sale, and the residents change too quickly.
OSU? Is that Ohio, Oklahoma or Oregon? In either case, no local branches of any of them - just the main campus of Indiana University (thankfully on the other side of town).
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> >If you're really SERIOUS about relocating, there's a rental HOUSE across the > >street from me that is currently empty. Dumbass landlord keeps renting to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Ginger-lyn Victor Martinez - 21 Jul 2004 20:06 GMT > whatever agency (bank?) does that. Just hope my horrible credit > rating doesn't block us. I highly recommend checking out ditech.com
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Cheryl - 22 Jul 2004 03:29 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes",
> I think the house idea is > what we're going to look for. There is help available from one > group, plus his employer, so I think we could get $6,000 in > downpayment approved and given, if we could find a house and get > approved by whatever agency (bank?) does that. Just hope my > horrible credit rating doesn't block us. I hope it works out for you! Have you ever bought a house before, or always rented? There are first time home-buyer programs through HUD, and I'm sure other programs to help out. Fanny-Mae (not sure if I have the spelling correct for them) has help for home buyers, also.
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Yoj - 15 Jul 2004 20:30 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > Ginger-lyn > very depressed Poor you! And poor little kitten! What terrible neighbors! I wish there were something we (or somebody) could do to help the situation.
(((((((((Ginger-lyn))))))))))
Joy
Yowie - 15 Jul 2004 22:48 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > I just do not understand people anymore. I really don't. Sorry there is nothing I can do to help the situation. Some people are just oxygen theives.
{{{{{Ginger-Lyn}}}}} and purrs to the kitty. May you see her, and be able to rescue her, very soon.
Yowie
JPHobbs - 16 Jul 2004 07:14 GMT What a terrible story Ginger-lyn, I hope you get that Kitten back soon, as was noted some people do not deserve to live On this planet, Please celebrate your birthday over the weekend instead and have a very happy one Hugs and purrs to both you and thekitten Jean P
> > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > > Yowie Kreisleriana - 15 Jul 2004 23:16 GMT >All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, >and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a >Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when >all hell breaks loose. (snip)
Oh, what a terrible day, and what people. I am so sorry you had to put up with this crap. It reminds me of the saying "No good deed goes unpunished."
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Margaret Fine - 15 Jul 2004 23:28 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > Ginger-lyn > very depressed I'm sorry just doesn't cut it but I am going to say it anyway. I am sorry you had a crappy birthday and I am sorry that you'll have to wait and wonder what happens to that kitten. My vote (as if I have one) is the minute you see that baby outside, alone, you grab it and hide it. Do you have anyone that can spirit it away? How long until these idiots are gone???
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:04 GMT >I'm sorry just doesn't cut it but I am going to say it anyway. I am >sorry you had a crappy birthday and I am sorry that you'll have to wait >and wonder what happens to that kitten. My vote (as if I have one) is >the minute you see that baby outside, alone, you grab it and hide it. >Do you have anyone that can spirit it away? How long until these idiots >are gone??? Thanks, Margaret. If I do see it, I will do my best to grab it, but if it's 2 am it might be difficult. They are *supposed* to be out the end of the month, but with eviction/court/whatever, who knows how long it will be?
Ginger-lyn
CatNipped - 15 Jul 2004 23:38 GMT > I just do not understand people anymore. I really don't. > > Ginger-lyn > very depressed I don't either Ginger, it breaks my heart to see animals abused on a daily basis. If I live to be a million and three I will never, never understand how anyone could deliberately, or through neglect, cause pain to an innocent creature. I especially can not understand how anyone could take pleasure in causing pain to a living, breathing, FEELING being. It makes me wonder about the existence of a God that could create such evil beings, and it makes me cry.
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Susan M - 16 Jul 2004 02:46 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a > Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when > all hell breaks loose. <snip>
Oh Ginger-lyn, I'm sorry about everything that has happened ... sorry for you and for the kittens and the children there. It is hard to speak out against such crazy people, especially when they are your neighbours and I really admire what you have tried to do with them. I'm sending you happy birthday thoughts and calming thoughts to all the crazies around you. I hope that the kitten makes her way back to you.
Take very good care,
Susan M Otis and chester
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jul 2004 07:32 GMT Ginger-lyn wrote:
>so I reluctantly go over with the little >black kitten, say "I was mistaken, here". You were mistaken, but not how you meant it above. You should have never, never, never handed that kitten to known animal abusers (this is the second time you've done this) and you have an absolute obligation to do whatever it takes to get this kitten out of their hands. The kitten is an innocent victim and rather than focusing on the fact that you were called names and feeling sorry for yourself you should be brainstorming on how to rescue it from those idiots before the unthinkable happens.
I'm sure some of the readers here will attack me for my opinion rather than putting the focus where it should be which is what is the right thing to do for the kitten, and if so, so be it. Sometimes the truth hurts and I will absolutely make no apologies for my criticism. Being weak and allowing an innocent baby to be put in serious jeopardy is unconscionable and there is no excuse that can justify it.
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Karen Chuplis - 16 Jul 2004 12:25 GMT > Ginger-lyn wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Megan, I think you know a lot about cats. I would never fault your advice regarding care and solving problems. BUT Ginger-Lyn lives in a pretty damn rough place. And more than that, people are DANGEROUS to the living as well. I've no doubt she IS brainstorming but just offering your criticism isn't going to help. Offer some suggestions then. I think that is what bothers me most on your posting. Most of the time in this group you *only* post to critisize and I don't understand that because I know you to be a good person. Ginger-Lyn cannot always fly in the face of these looneys she lives around or she might just end up to a very bad and dangersous situation. This is not just about rescuing in this instance. I'm sorry if *I* offend *you* but but it really isn't *safe* in this instance. I know I have tried to think of something she could do, and I can't think of a way in which she can at this time safely get this cat. The opportunity may present itself but it sure doesn't seem to right now. If you have some ideas, let's hear them. I'm sure Ginger-Lyn is open to suggestions. Or perhaps you would like to hear of some gruesome outcome to Ginger-Lyn's person? I'm sorry, I try to let things be usually, but this really bothered me.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jul 2004 15:06 GMT Karen wrote:
> Megan, I think you know a lot about > cats. I would never fault your advice [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > don't understand that because I know you > to be a good person. Because I see way too often that people here tolerate that which absolutely should not tolerated in the name of being "nice" and it's sickening. Bev's postings about Bonnie and Clyde are a perfect example. By all rights those cats should be dead because of her constantly irresponsible care of them. For some reason that will forever mystify me, when stories are posted here about them being burned, getting into medications, nearly drowning, etc. it's considered "cute." It's sickening and the one time somebody rightfully criticized her they got jumped on.
>Ginger-Lyn cannot > always fly in the face of these looneys > she lives around or she might just end > up to a very bad and dangersous > situation. But she did exactly that. Don't forget she still has one of the kittens, and no, that doesn't make it all better. She knows these people are ANIMAL ABUSERS and SHE GAVE A DEFENSELESS KITTEN TO THEM. She should have asked the landlord to tell them the kitten was not allowed and put them on the phone with him. That would have diffused the situation right there.
>This is not just about > rescuing in this instance. I'm sorry if > *I* offend *you* but but it really isn't > *safe* in this instance. Sorry, I don't buy it. She kept one of the kittens.
>I know I have > tried to think of something she could > do, and I can't think of a way in which > she can at this time safely get this > cat. The landlord has power and she should be discussing this with him. He can always call and tell these people that there is a $300 pet deposit per cat payable immediately or the cat goes, and, when they say they can't afford it, tell them that they can bring the kitten to Ginger-lyn who is willing to adopt the kitten as company for the other one and has already paid one deposit and will pay another. Or the landlord can simply say there's a rule change and cats are not allowed anymore. These people are getting evicted eventually anyway so they won't be around long enough to find out it's not true.
>The opportunity may present itself > but it sure doesn't seem to right now. The opportunity was there and she *had* the kitten.
> If you have some ideas, let's hear them. > I'm sure Ginger-Lyn is open to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > let things be usually, but this really > bothered me. What should bother you is the fact that right now this small defenseless kitten is in the hands of people that can or will do it great harm. She was standing up to them at first, so there is no excuse for her getting weak and sacrificing the kitten. Her post was all about "her" and reeking with self-pity, with the poor kitten thrown in at the end and that is what really set me off.
As you know, to me cats welfare is first and foremost and I have no tolerance for people who will put a cat in jeopardy. This isn't the first time she's done this, either, and the neighborhood bullies see her weakness and take advantage of it. If she'd start standing up to these people and not back down, and get a reputation that she's not one to be messed with she'd be a lot better off. I'm in a bad neighbrhood too, and I've had to do it myself and it works. I've also gone into the worst and most dangerous part of town to get a kitten out of a very bad situation, which was by no means an easy task, so I'm no stranger to this stuff and have done what I ask of others.
Unless she gets some cajones and gets this kitten back, this kitten may pay an unimaginable and tragic price for her weakness.
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Victor Martinez - 17 Jul 2004 03:30 GMT > Megan *plonk*
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Adrian - 17 Jul 2004 09:47 GMT >Bev's postings about Bonnie and Clyde are a perfect > example. By all rights those cats should be dead because of her > constantly irresponsible care of them. PLONK
SUQKRT - 17 Jul 2004 19:54 GMT Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those" people (or some of them) are gone soon.
I was feeling sorry for myself Thursday (my birthday, July is a popular birthmonth). Burearocracy (sp?) is giving me a hard time with my home help funding. So I spent myy birthday stressed, playing phonetag. Friday was better I went to the Burlinton Mall with a friend.
Jill McQ happy Bithday in advance from someone who's been 37 for 11 years ;o) Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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Cathi - 18 Jul 2004 11:33 GMT >Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you >managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >funding. So I spent myy birthday stressed, playing phonetag. Friday was better >I went to the Burlinton Mall with a friend. Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July). I think Polonca's sometime in July as well.
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polonca12000 - 18 Jul 2004 22:11 GMT Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already. Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek on the 28th). I hope you had a great birthday, Cathi.
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<snip>> >I was feeling sorry for myself Thursday (my birthday, July is a popular
> >birthmonth). Burearocracy (sp?) is giving me a hard time with my home help > >funding. So I spent myy birthday stressed, playing phonetag. Friday was better > >I went to the Burlinton Mall with a friend. > > > Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July). I think > Polonca's sometime in July as well. Sherry - 19 Jul 2004 22:32 GMT >Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already. >Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek >on the 28th). I hope you had a great birthday, Cathi. Happy Belated birthday Polonca & Soncek!
Sherry
polonca12000 - 20 Jul 2004 15:51 GMT Thank you, Sherry! Have a great day,
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> >Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already. > >Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sherry SUQKRT - 21 Jul 2004 13:47 GMT >Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already. >Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek >on the 28th). I hope you had a great birthday, Cathi. Not quite, but progess has been made. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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Yowie - 18 Jul 2004 23:39 GMT > >Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you > >managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July). I think > Polonca's sometime in July as well. 'Nother Crab here as well (22nd).
Yowie
SUQKRT - 21 Jul 2004 13:47 GMT >'Nother Crab here as well (22nd). > >Yowie Happy Birthday, we sure are a "Crabby (yum crab)" group. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:08 GMT >Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July). I think >Polonca's sometime in July as well. And a belated one to you, Cathi. And to Polonca, whenever it is!
Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:07 GMT >Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you >managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >(=':'=) >(")_(") {{{{Suz}}} Belated happy birthday to you, and I'm sorry about the bureaucratic nightmares. Glad you had a better day Friday.
Did get to finish "Big Fish" the next day -- wonderful movie!
And I'm a little confused, but Jill's b-day is coming up, too? Happy b-day Jill!
Ginger-lyn
Yowie - 17 Jul 2004 23:31 GMT As much as I love cats, I put my own life and wellbeing (and that of my family) before theirs. I even put the life and wellbeing of *my* cat above the life and wellbeing of other cats. Yes, I'll feel bad about it, buts that how it is. Given the choice, the cats (and other beings) I have discriminated against would make the very same decision.
Sometimes we have to choose between the lesser of two evils, and have to do so under a great deal of pressure and without time to consder all the possible options. We make the best choice we can under the circumstances. Doens't mean we'll feel good about it later, but its still the best decision we could have made under the circumstances.
I can't condemn anyone who makes the best decision they can in the situation they find themselves in. What I can do is offer compassion, support and understanding, and I can choose not to be judgemental towards those who don't live in an ideal world. Its hard enough to know that whatever you do, someone or something has to suffer; condemning a person who has been forced into such a situation does nothing to help either party - both are the victims of a universe that just doesn't play fair sometimes.
Yowie
John F. Eldredge - 18 Jul 2004 00:57 GMT >As much as I love cats, I put my own life and wellbeing (and that of >my family) before theirs. I even put the life and wellbeing of *my* [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >situation does nothing to help either party - both are the victims >of a universe that just doesn't play fair sometimes. This was the sort of choice that I was faced with when my house caught fire in February 2003. My cat ran and hid, and the smoke was heavy enough that I had to make the difficult choice to get myself out of the house, rather than stay searching for the cat and possibly die with her. I told the firemen about my cat when they arrived, nine minutes after I called the fire department, and they found her a couple of minutes later, but she was already dead from smoke inhalation. I don't know how long I would have been able to survive had I stayed inside to search.
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Cheryl - 18 Jul 2004 01:36 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", John F. Eldredge <john@jfeldredge.com> artfully composed this message within <news:muejf0thjk8m45e0ojvr5vcsu5dvckocbe@4ax.com> on 17 Jul 2004:
> This was the sort of choice that I was faced with when my house > caught fire in February 2003. My cat ran and hid, and the smoke > was heavy enough that I had to make the difficult choice to get > myself out of the house, rather than stay searching for the cat > and possibly die with her. Oh, John. That is one of my biggest fears. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
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Howard Berkowitz - 18 Jul 2004 22:49 GMT > In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", John F. Eldredge > <john@jfeldredge.com> artfully composed this message within [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Oh, John. That is one of my biggest fears. I'm so sorry you had to go > through that. It is reassuring that most firefighters will try to find animals if they know they are in there. My first wife had a truly bizarre experience, which made the local radio as "Two Cats Burn Falls Church Apartment." Essentially, she had a house guest crashing, who brought her own two cats along. Those two stayed in the guest room. Apparently, they managed to knock a clamp light onto the bed and turn it on, and its heat set the bed on fire.
When her guest opened the door, hearing a smoke alarm but not really paying attention to it, she was felled by a blast of smoke. Her two cats ran out to safety, and the human was recovered by the first responder.
For some totally obscure reason, my ex's usually extremely wise cat, Theo, ran INTO the fire room. When she got home, she found him on the lawn of the apartment complex, wearing a pediatric oxygen mask and surrounded by concerned firefighters. While he clearly was psychologically traumatized, he lived for a long time after that -- we didn't know his precise age, but the best guess is that he made it to around 22.
Yowie - 18 Jul 2004 23:41 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > inhalation. I don't know how long I would have been able to survive > had I stayed inside to search. I'm so sorry, John. She'll be there at Rainbow Bridge waiting for you.
Yowie
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>This was the sort of choice that I was faced with when my house >caught fire in February 2003. My cat ran and hid, and the smoke was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >=IMOh >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- {{{{{{John}}}}}} I know how painful that must have been for you, and I am so sorry it happened. Many good thoughts to you & yours.
Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:09 GMT >As much as I love cats, I put my own life and wellbeing (and that of my >family) before theirs. I even put the life and wellbeing of *my* cat above [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Yowie Yowie, thank you so much for such a thoughtful post (as usual).
And I want to thank everyone who has expressed your support and kind words and thoughts. They really mean a great deal to me.
Bless you all!
Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 02:27 GMT Megan,
You do not know me, and you do not know my neighbors or the full situation.
Let me explain a few things to you.
I felt that my life, and my cats' lives were in danger that night. My cats' welfare comes first, and I am not going to endanger my life, either. You see this as weakness; I see it as common sense and survival. At least I *did* get the one kitten, and I am still working on how I may be able to get the other one. I have not given up.
I did call my landlord that night. His only suggestions were to call the police (unfortuately, they were quite careful in their threats, and it was unclear whether there was anything that would have allowed them to have been arrested) or to give the one kitten back to calm the situation. That is what I did (although there was a specific threat to property later on, and the police *were* called, but again, unless they actually *do* something, there is nothing the police can do).
It is unreasonable to suggest to the landlord to say cats are no longer allowed. We have no idea how long the eviction will take, and to do this would put both myself and my other neighbor with cats in a bad situation, as these people could easily demand that we get rid of ours as well. I doubt seriously the deposit idea will work, but I will discuss that with him and see.
As for your harping on the fact that this is the second time I have done this, again, you don't seem to have all your facts. In the first case, the one animal-abusing neighbor heard the kitten, since I had her stashed in the apartment next door to hers, and knew where she belonged. After asking the owner for a description, etc., it was clear that, legally, I had no right to keep the kitten. Further, there is no evidence that this particular family from across the street abused any animal. What was clear is that they were ill-informed and irresponsible, and allowed their cats to roam outside and did not spay them. These other two kittens are the half-siblings of the one cat I tried to rescue before, so this is the *same* family of cats we are talking about here. And because I did not go off on these people, it appears that they are now keeping their cats indoors, and they promised to spay their cats after these kittens were born (since they have moved, I cannot follow up on that, but I sincerely hope it is true, and I gave them my brochure with information on the low-cost spay/neuter clinics, so they certainly have the information now). And they approached me to take the kittens rather than toss them out on the street. However, the brother unfortunately talked to the next-door neighbors before bringing the kittens directly to me, which is why there was a problem in the first place.
So instead of attacking me, Megan, who was at least *trying* to do something, try attacking the brother for going back on his word, or being angry at the people who screamed at me for trying to do the right thing.
Megan, you tend to see the world in black and white terms, and it just is not that way. Sometimes, as Yowie pointed out, we have to make difficult choices, and they are not always easy. Your self-righteous judgmentalism does nothing to further the well-being of these kittens or any other animals. And by attacking me, you are just as much of a bully as these animal-abusing neighors. You're an extremist, Megan. While the world may need some of that, most people are *not* extremists. Most of us do the best we can, given what resources we have, personally, financially, or otherwise. Most people don't even bother to attempt to rescue cats, period. Of those that do, some may only rescue one or two in their lives and get them into a shelter. Others, perhaps, will work to find adoptive homes for many rescures. Some will get them tested and vaccinated before even trying to place them. In other words, everyone does what they can, to the best of their abilities, and that is what matters.
To come here to this group and insult and attack myself, Bev, and pretty much the entire group is unconscionable. I would not be surprised to find that you are not welcome here.
Ginger-lyn fed up
Yowie - 20 Jul 2004 02:52 GMT > Megan, > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > pretty much the entire group is unconscionable. I would not be > surprised to find that you are not welcome here. *Standing Ovation*
Hugs,
Yowie
Sherry - 20 Jul 2004 05:08 GMT >Megan, > >You do not know me, and you do not know my neighbors or the full >situation. > >Let me explain a few things to you. ((((Ginger-lyn)))
You do not have to explain yourself. We do what we can. And only you understand fully the circumstances and events leading up to the decision you made. I know your heart, because I"ve been reading your posts for at least four years. I fully trust and would stand by the decision you made as the only decision that you could make given the circumstances. Like Yowie's thoughtful post (which Yowie's posts always are)....I know how difficult it was for you. I'm sorry you found yourself in the middle of such a sucky situation.
Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Jul 2004 01:50 GMT >>so I reluctantly go over with the little >>black kitten, say "I was mistaken, here".
> You were mistaken, but not how you meant it above. You should have > never, never, never handed that kitten to known animal abusers (this is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > called names and feeling sorry for yourself you should be brainstorming > on how to rescue it from those idiots before the unthinkable happens. Megan,
How can you stand to live among the human race, who are all so clearly morally inferior to you?
This is such a typical post from you. I knew as soon as I saw your address on the post that it was going to be yet another judgemental rant. Don't you EVER have anything positive to say?
I sure hope you don't have kids. If you do, I hope you're putting away money for their psychotherapy bills.
Joyce
Victor Martinez - 16 Jul 2004 12:48 GMT Purrs for you. Don't give up! You are a wonderful human being and we all love, respect, and admire you and what you do for all the innocent critters that cross your path.
I wish there was something more I could do.
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT >Purrs for you. Don't give up! You are a wonderful human being and we all >love, respect, and admire you and what you do for all the innocent >critters that cross your path. > >I wish there was something more I could do. Thank you {{{Victor}}}
Ginger-lyn
jmcquown - 16 Jul 2004 13:49 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ginger-lyn > very depressed This just sucks. I'm sorry! Wish I could do something to help. I guess it won't help much to offer belated birthday wishes but I'll do it anyway.
Jill (who has a birthday on 7/26 - she'll be 37 AGAIN)
Cap'n Pine Cone esq. - 16 Jul 2004 15:22 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a > Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when > all hell breaks loose. Purrs Ginger-lyn and lots of hugs too. I hope everything works out better for you with the kitties and with your birthday. Bless you for taking care of the animals.
Pam S.
Cheryl - 16 Jul 2004 23:39 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Jul 2004:
> I just do not understand people anymore. I really don't. > > Ginger-lyn > very depressed I wish you a happy belated birthday, even though you didn't seem to have one. I'm sorry for the troubles there, and I don't understand people either. :(
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Judith Latham - 17 Jul 2004 08:49 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, and > watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a > Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when all > hell breaks loose. First of all Belated happy birthday wishes. Today being Saturday maybe you could celebrate properly. I'll celebrate your birthday because it's a good job for all animals that you were born.
At least your landlord seems reasonable even if he can't help other than get them evicted. Maybe within a couple of days the neighbours will be bored with the kitten and you can sort of take care of it until you can magic it away to safety.
As for understanding people i don't think I ever have and I don't hold out much hope now. I do however understand people like you and there are other good people around so perhaps it's that we don't understand only the bad ones.
Purrs and prayers on the way for the safety of the kittens and yourself.
Judith
> I just do not understand people anymore. I really don't.
> Ginger-lyn very depressed
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Adrian - 17 Jul 2004 09:21 GMT > I just do not understand people anymore. I really don't. > > Ginger-lyn > very depressed Your post reminds me why I prefer animals to most people. I think if I were in your position I'd feel suicidal. Sending lots of purrs and hoping somehow the kitten will be ok.
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polonca12000 - 18 Jul 2004 21:58 GMT I do so wish I could do more for you, Ginger-lyn, than just send my best wishes, calming hugs and purrs,
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> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a > Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when > all hell breaks loose. <snip
LOL - 21 Jul 2004 07:16 GMT > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh? DH had to work, it's a > Tuesday, bleah). I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when > all hell breaks loose. (snippage)
Ugh. I'm sorry you have to deal with such nasty people, and sorry for the poor kitten. I don't have any suggestions, I'm afraid, but we're sending luckpurrs for a chance to spirit away the kitty, and better-day purrs to you.
------ Krista
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