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The Worst Birthday Ever (Long)

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Ginger-lyn Summer - 15 Jul 2004 19:40 GMT
All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when
all hell breaks loose.

You see, we had these stupid neighbors across the street awhile back.
They let their cats run outside, and couldn't seem to get the concept
of "spaying" (even though I explained it to them several times).  I
once saw their Russian Blue, on the coldest night of the year,
standing on a sheet of ice as I came out to put food and water in the
dishes for the outdoor critters.  Very sad.

Now, maybe six months ago, I found a little white kitten on my porch.
Assumed it was a stray. I already had a rescue kitty in the Kitty
Rescue Room, so I did the only thing I could (and being a
quasi-apartment manager does have its advantages!):  I put kitten in
the empty apartment next door.

A few years ago, I posted about my horrible neighbor who kept her cat
chained up pretty much her entire life, a life cut short by feline
leukemia.  She allowed this cat to die slowly and painfully at home,
chained up, while her children watched.  Grrrr.  She also kept her dog
chained up, never walked her, and had her son take out the soiled
newspapers on a daily basis.

I talked to her nicely about all this -- several times.  She ignored
every bit of good advice I gave her.  So when she started chaining the
dog outside 24/7, without adequate shelter and food and water, I
called the Humane Society.

Since then, she has been furious with me and barely spoken to me.
Four years.

Last Friday, I catch her on my porch, moving the outdoor critter
dishes to the back.  She's freaked by the raccoons that sometimes come
around.  She somehow thinks they won't come to the back porch?  I
don't know.  But it's dark out back, and smaller.  Much more difficult
to scoop up any stray cat.  So I move them back to the front, and
endure her screaming at me at the top of her lungs, cursing me with
every possible name (including the "C" word), in front of the entire
building (everyone just happens to be on their porches), including
children.

About a month ago, the brother of the awful neighbor from across the
street (who has since moved) asked me if I wanted the Russian Blue's
two kittens.  I said I couldn't keep them, but I could get them into a
shelter, rescue group, something.  Monday, he knocks on my door and
asks if I still want them.  "Yes", I reply.  But I wasn't set up yet,
so asked him to come back Tuesday with the kittens.

So it's Tuesday, and I'm sipping wine and watching "Big Fish".  I hear
the third awful neighbor, next door to me.  These people scream and
curse at each other and their children *constantly*.  Their children
have ruined my garden fence, picked my flowers, and probably stolen
things from my porch (can't swear to that, but things are missing).
The landlord is evicting them, but that takes time.  Anyway, I hear
them talking about kittens, and go "Oh, no!"  And go out and see the
guy has given the kittens to them. Now, they have a history of animal
abuse.  They only want a cat to catch mice.  I am appalled that this
guy would go back on his word and give these kittens to these idiots!
So I say "I'm sorry, but you are not allowed to have animals (which
was my understanding), please give me the kittens."

All hell broke loose.  Not only did I have them screaming and cursing
at me, children crying, horrible things being said, but the other
animal-abusing neighbor comes down and starts screaming at me for the
second time in less than a week.

It's my birthday.  I have been verbally assaulted, and nearly
physically so.  I have been threatened.  All because I am trying to
help these two little kittens find a good home.

In tears, terrified, I call the landlord.  He does not know what to
do, either, but suggests I give them the one cat back since, chances
are when they leave, they'll dump it, and I'll get it anyway.  And
otherwise, call the police  Nothing has been specific enough to call
the police on ("We'll get 10 pit bills!" probably doesn't qualify as a
threat of bodily harm), so I reluctantly go over with the little black
kitten, say "I was mistaken, here".

It broke my heart.  That little adorable girl will have nothing but a
short and miserable life more than likely.  And I have been accused of
and called everything in the book.  All for trying to help animals.

I just do not understand people anymore.  I really don't.

Ginger-lyn
very depressed
Karen - 15 Jul 2004 20:09 GMT
Ginger-Lyn I am so sorry that you have to go through that. I wish I could
raze your neighborhood or tap it with a magic wand or something. It sounds
like such a terrible stressful place. If it's any consolation you tried to
do what you could. I don't have any advice because it sounds like just a
very bad situation. I guess if you *see* anything you can call the animal
control, but I sometimes wonder just how effective that is. If they really
are not allowed to have animals, I guess you could check on that. It really
sucks. I'm sorry.

(((((Ginger-Lyn)))))

> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
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> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed
m. L. Briggs - 15 Jul 2004 20:16 GMT
>All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
>and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
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>Ginger-lyn
>very depressed
I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy
Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation.  We are told that everything
happens for a purpose (don't necessarily believe this) but try to find
the purpose in this -- you finding a better place to live.  In my
mind's eye, I see you living in a beautiful place and you dressed in
silks and satins! (for lounging purposes only, of course).  I really
hope the coming year brings you much better neighbors.    Purrs for
the fur kids.   MLB
Mary - 15 Jul 2004 20:21 GMT
> I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy Birthday
IN SPITE of the awful situation.  We are told that everything happens for a
purpose (don't necessarily believe this) but try to find the purpose in
this -- you finding a better place to live.

Heartfelt agreement.
Melissa Houle - 16 Jul 2004 07:02 GMT
> > I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy Birthday
> IN SPITE of the awful situation.  We are told that everything happens for a
> purpose (don't necessarily believe this) but try to find the purpose in
> this -- you finding a better place to live.
>
> Heartfelt agreement.

And from me too.  I'm sorry you had to go through that verbal abuse, and am
sorry for all the cats and dogs these terrible people have abused.  Good for
you for at least TRYING to help the animals!  (Geez, all that happened on MY
last birthday was the death of my car. I feel lucky.) I hope that when the
wheel turns and the Terrible Tenants finally leave, you will get those
particular  kittens back.  One thing I know is, little Nina will never leave
my care!

Do something this week that you really love to do as a delayed birthday
treat to raise your spirits in the short term.  Personally, I believe
birthday hoopla should last at least a week, anyway.

Melissa
Panther, Francesca and Nina. (The kitten formerly known as TK.)
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:03 GMT
>I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy
>Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation.  We are told that everything
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>hope the coming year brings you much better neighbors.    Purrs for
>the fur kids.   MLB

Thanks, ML.  I love your vision :-)  And I actually do think this
might be the Universe hittiing me with a clue-by-four to *move*.  I
don't see how we can in our financial situation (landlord keeps rent
low for long-term tenants; I think the last time he raised it was 7
years ago!  So finding an affordable place would be difficult).  We'd
love to have a house, but that seems totally out of reach.  But you
never know.  We lost two decent tenants because they lucked out and
found houses, and I bet their incomes weren't much better than ours.
Hopefully, there's something out there for us, with wonderful
neighbors to boot!

Ginger-lyn
polonca12000 - 20 Jul 2004 21:26 GMT
Lots of best wishes and purrs for you to find a great and affordable house,
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<snip>We lost two decent tenants because they lucked out and
> found houses, and I bet their incomes weren't much better than ours.
> Hopefully, there's something out there for us, with wonderful
> neighbors to boot!
>
> Ginger-lyn
Yowie - 20 Jul 2004 22:31 GMT
> >I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy
> >Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation.  We are told that everything
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> Hopefully, there's something out there for us, with wonderful
> neighbors to boot!

Purrs for you to find a great place to live!

If youare on good terms with the Landlord, perhaps you can ask him/her if
they know of anywhere else you can rent for approximately the same amount
you are paying now. Most Landlords own more thanone property, and if you are
a good tenant, they'd probably prefer you to take another on eof their
properties rather than seeing you leave altogether.

Good Luck!

Yowie
Ginger-lyn Summer - 21 Jul 2004 19:37 GMT
>Purrs for you to find a great place to live!
>
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>
>Yowie

Oh, yeah, I'm on great terms.  But he only owns one other double, just
a half-block away, and it's full.  I think our only option is to see
if there is any way we can afford a house.  May have to be a small,
run-down one, but hey, as long as the neighorhood isn't bad . . . .

Ginger-lyn
Magic Mood Jeep? - 21 Jul 2004 00:22 GMT
If you're really SERIOUS about relocating, there's a rental HOUSE across the
street from me that is currently empty.  Dumbass landlord keeps renting to
college students that skip out on him, so I'm sure he/she would welcome a
'regular' tenant.

Last couple left over Christmas break, only came back to get one of their
cars that they left behind - it wasn't running, so it had to be towed.
Either that or landlord had it towed & sold it in lieu of back rent.
Landlord had a couple come & do some 'cleaning' at the place, but all they
did was pile all the junk left by previous tenants (that included some
carpeting, a weight bench, and at least 3 bikes, one of them a little
girl's) up at the head of the driveway (all that stuff is now ruined by the
umpteen storms we've had since then), fix the privacy fence on the back/side
yard, get into a major screaming argument (I heard her scream something
about not liking being treated like a dog) and leave in a huff.   Only
people I've seen since then is a guy doing some mowing on the embankment by
the road (and he could have been from he city/county doing roadside mowing),
and I saw some guy leaving the property on a motorcycle.  The mailbox has
fallen off the post - it's on our side of the road, right next to ours - and
I sure ain't gonna fix it.

House has been empty since then, as far as I can tell.  Before this last
couple, it was empty for a couple of years, and we had collection agencies
calling us looking for them.  We told them all we knew was the guy's name
was Eric (from a stray piece of mail postman put in our box by mistake) and
that they'd been gone for over 6 months.

The thing about it is you would have to do some serious relocating, as we
are in Couth-Central Indian ;)
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> >I am not trying to be funny, Ginger, but I do wish to say Happy
> >Birthday IN SPITE of the awful situation.  We are told that everything
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>
> Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 21 Jul 2004 19:40 GMT
>If you're really SERIOUS about relocating, there's a rental HOUSE across the
>street from me that is currently empty.  Dumbass landlord keeps renting to
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>The thing about it is you would have to do some serious relocating, as we
>are in Couth-Central Indian ;)
Ouch -- feel badly for your landlord.  Sadly, there seem to be more
tenants like these than good ones these days.

I think I'll pass on moving to Indiana, though ;-)  DH has a stable
(we hope -- crossing fingers) job here, so unless OSU has a branch
where you are he could transfer to . . . .  I think the house idea is
what we're going to look for.  There is help available from one group,
plus his employer, so I think we could get $6,000 in downpayment
approved and given, if we could find a house and get approved by
whatever agency (bank?) does that.  Just hope my horrible credit
rating doesn't block us.

Ginger-lyn
Magic Mood Jeep? - 21 Jul 2004 19:57 GMT
It's not OUR landlord, we own (actually, the BANK owns, we pay the bank).

I'm not even sure exactly WHO owns the property, but I know it must be a
rental as it's never been for sale, and the residents change too quickly.

OSU?  Is that Ohio, Oklahoma or Oregon?  In either case, no local branches
of any of them - just the main campus of Indiana University (thankfully on
the other side of town).
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> >If you're really SERIOUS about relocating, there's a rental HOUSE across the
> >street from me that is currently empty.  Dumbass landlord keeps renting to
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>
> Ginger-lyn
Victor Martinez - 21 Jul 2004 20:06 GMT
> whatever agency (bank?) does that.  Just hope my horrible credit
> rating doesn't block us.

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Cheryl - 22 Jul 2004 03:29 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes",

> I think the house idea is
> what we're going to look for.  There is help available from one
> group, plus his employer, so I think we could get $6,000 in
> downpayment approved and given, if we could find a house and get
> approved by whatever agency (bank?) does that.  Just hope my
> horrible credit rating doesn't block us.

I hope it works out for you! Have you ever bought a house before,
or always rented? There are first time home-buyer programs through
HUD, and I'm sure other programs to help out. Fanny-Mae (not sure
if I have the spelling correct for them) has help for home buyers,
also.

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Yoj - 15 Jul 2004 20:30 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
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> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed

Poor you!  And poor little kitten!  What terrible neighbors!  I wish
there were something we (or somebody) could do to help the situation.

(((((((((Ginger-lyn))))))))))

Joy
Yowie - 15 Jul 2004 22:48 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
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>
> I just do not understand people anymore.  I really don't.

Sorry there is nothing I can do to help the situation. Some people are just
oxygen theives.

{{{{{Ginger-Lyn}}}}} and purrs to the kitty. May you see her, and be able to
rescue her, very soon.

Yowie
JPHobbs - 16 Jul 2004 07:14 GMT
What a terrible story Ginger-lyn, I hope you get that Kitten back soon,
as was noted some people do not deserve to live On this planet,
Please celebrate your birthday over the weekend instead and have
a very happy one Hugs and purrs to both you and thekitten  Jean P
> > All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> > and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
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>
> Yowie
Kreisleriana - 15 Jul 2004 23:16 GMT
>All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
>and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
>Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when
>all hell breaks loose.

(snip)

Oh, what a terrible day, and what people.   I am so sorry you had to
put up with this crap.  It reminds me of the saying "No good deed goes
unpunished."

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> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
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> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed

I'm sorry just doesn't cut it but I am going to say it anyway.  I am
sorry you had a crappy birthday and I am sorry that you'll have to wait
and wonder what happens to that kitten.  My vote (as if I have one) is
the minute you see that baby outside, alone, you grab it and hide it.
Do you have anyone that can spirit it away?  How long until these idiots
are gone???
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:04 GMT
>I'm sorry just doesn't cut it but I am going to say it anyway.  I am
>sorry you had a crappy birthday and I am sorry that you'll have to wait
>and wonder what happens to that kitten.  My vote (as if I have one) is
>the minute you see that baby outside, alone, you grab it and hide it.
>Do you have anyone that can spirit it away?  How long until these idiots
>are gone???
Thanks, Margaret.  If I do see it, I will do my best to grab it, but
if it's 2 am it might be difficult.  They are *supposed* to be out the
end of the month, but with eviction/court/whatever, who knows how long
it will  be?

Ginger-lyn
CatNipped - 15 Jul 2004 23:38 GMT
> I just do not understand people anymore.  I really don't.
>
> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed

I don't either Ginger, it breaks my heart to see animals abused on a
daily basis.  If I live to be a million and three I will never, never
understand how anyone could deliberately, or through neglect, cause
pain to an innocent creature.  I especially can not understand how
anyone could take pleasure in causing pain to a living, breathing,
FEELING being.  It makes me wonder about the existence of a God that
could create such evil beings, and it makes me cry.

Hugs,

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Susan M - 16 Jul 2004 02:46 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
> Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when
> all hell breaks loose.

<snip>

Oh Ginger-lyn, I'm sorry about everything that has happened ... sorry for
you and for the kittens and the children there.  It is hard to speak out
against such crazy people, especially when they are your neighbours and I
really admire what you have tried to do with them.  I'm sending you happy
birthday thoughts and calming thoughts to all the crazies around you.  I
hope that the kitten makes her way back to you.

Take very good care,

Susan M
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jul 2004 07:32 GMT
Ginger-lyn wrote:

>so I reluctantly go over with the little
>black kitten, say "I was mistaken, here".

You were mistaken, but not how you meant it above. You should have
never, never, never handed that kitten to known animal abusers (this is
the second time you've done this) and you have an absolute obligation to
do whatever it takes to get this kitten out of their hands. The kitten
is an innocent victim and rather than focusing on the fact that you were
called names and feeling sorry for yourself you should be brainstorming
on how to rescue it from those idiots before the unthinkable happens.

I'm sure some of the readers here will attack me for my opinion rather
than putting the focus where it should be which is what is the right
thing to do for the kitten, and if so, so be it. Sometimes the truth
hurts and I will absolutely make no apologies for my criticism. Being
weak and allowing an innocent baby to be put in serious jeopardy is
unconscionable and there is no excuse that can justify it.

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Karen Chuplis - 16 Jul 2004 12:25 GMT
> Ginger-lyn wrote:
>
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>
> - W.H. Murray

Megan, I think you know a lot about cats. I would never fault your advice
regarding care and solving problems. BUT Ginger-Lyn lives in a pretty damn
rough place. And more than that, people are DANGEROUS to the living as well.
I've no doubt she IS brainstorming but just offering your criticism isn't
going to help. Offer some suggestions then. I think that is what bothers me
most on your posting. Most of the time in this group you *only* post to
critisize and I don't understand that because I know you to be a good
person. Ginger-Lyn cannot always fly in the face of these looneys she lives
around or she might just end up to a very bad and dangersous situation. This
is not just about rescuing in this instance. I'm sorry if *I* offend *you*
but but it really isn't *safe* in this instance. I know I have tried to
think of something she could do, and I can't think of a way in which she can
at this time safely get this cat. The opportunity may present itself but it
sure doesn't seem to right now. If you have some ideas, let's hear them. I'm
sure Ginger-Lyn is open to suggestions. Or perhaps you would like to hear of
some gruesome outcome to Ginger-Lyn's person? I'm sorry, I try to let things
be usually, but this really bothered me.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Jul 2004 15:06 GMT
Karen wrote:

> Megan, I think you know a lot about
> cats. I would never fault your advice
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> don't understand that because I know you
> to be a good person.

Because I see way too often that people here tolerate that which
absolutely should not tolerated in the name of being "nice" and it's
sickening. Bev's postings about Bonnie and Clyde are a perfect example.
By all rights those cats should be dead because of her constantly
irresponsible care of them. For some reason that will forever mystify
me, when stories are posted here about them being burned, getting into
medications, nearly drowning, etc. it's considered "cute." It's
sickening and the one time somebody rightfully criticized her they got
jumped on.

>Ginger-Lyn cannot
> always fly in the face of these looneys
> she lives around or she might just end
> up to a very bad and dangersous
> situation.

But she did exactly that. Don't forget she still has one of the kittens,
and no, that doesn't make it all better. She knows these people are
ANIMAL ABUSERS and SHE GAVE A DEFENSELESS KITTEN TO THEM.  She should
have asked the landlord to tell them the kitten was not allowed and put
them on the phone with him. That would have diffused the situation right
there.

>This is not just about
> rescuing in this instance. I'm sorry if
> *I* offend *you* but but it really isn't
> *safe* in this instance.

Sorry, I don't buy it. She kept one of the kittens.

>I know I have
> tried to think of something she could
> do, and I can't think of a way in which
> she can at this time safely get this
> cat.

The landlord has power and she should be discussing this with him. He
can always call and tell these people that there is a $300 pet deposit
per cat payable immediately or the cat goes, and, when they say they
can't afford it, tell them that they can bring the kitten to Ginger-lyn
who is willing to adopt the kitten as company for the other one and has
already paid one deposit and will pay another. Or the landlord can
simply say there's a rule change and cats are not allowed anymore. These
people are getting evicted eventually anyway so they won't be around
long enough to find out it's not true.

>The opportunity may present itself
> but it sure doesn't seem to right now.

The opportunity was there and she *had* the kitten.

> If you have some ideas, let's hear them.
> I'm sure Ginger-Lyn is open to
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> let things be usually, but this really
> bothered me.

What should bother you is the fact that right now this small defenseless
kitten is in the hands of people that can or will do it great harm. She
was standing up to them at first, so there is no excuse for her getting
weak and sacrificing the kitten. Her post was all about "her" and
reeking with self-pity, with the poor kitten thrown in at the end and
that is what really set me off.

As you know, to me cats welfare is first and foremost and I have no
tolerance for people who will put a cat in jeopardy. This isn't the
first time she's done this, either, and the neighborhood bullies see her
weakness and take advantage of it. If she'd start standing up to these
people and not back down, and get a reputation that she's not one to be
messed with she'd be a lot better off. I'm in a bad neighbrhood too, and
I've had to do it myself and it works. I've also gone into the worst and
most dangerous part of town to get a kitten out of a very bad situation,
which was by no means an easy task, so I'm no stranger to this stuff and
have done what I ask of others.

Unless she gets some cajones and gets this kitten back, this kitten may
pay an unimaginable and tragic price for her weakness.

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Victor Martinez - 17 Jul 2004 03:30 GMT
> Megan

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Adrian - 17 Jul 2004 09:47 GMT
>Bev's postings about Bonnie and Clyde are a perfect
> example. By all rights those cats should be dead because of her
> constantly irresponsible care of them.

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SUQKRT - 17 Jul 2004 19:54 GMT
Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you
managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those"
people (or some of them) are gone soon.

I was feeling sorry for myself Thursday (my birthday, July is a popular
birthmonth). Burearocracy (sp?) is giving me a hard time with my home help
funding. So I spent myy birthday stressed, playing phonetag. Friday was better
I went to the Burlinton Mall with a friend.

Jill McQ happy Bithday in advance from someone who's been 37 for 11 years ;o)
Suz
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Cathi - 18 Jul 2004 11:33 GMT
>Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you
>managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those"
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>funding. So I spent myy birthday stressed, playing phonetag. Friday was better
>I went to the Burlinton Mall with a friend.

Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July).  I think
Polonca's sometime in July as well.
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polonca12000 - 18 Jul 2004 22:11 GMT
Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already.
Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek
on the 28th). I hope you had a great birthday, Cathi.
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<snip>> >I was feeling sorry for myself Thursday (my birthday, July is a
popular
> >birthmonth). Burearocracy (sp?) is giving me a hard time with my home help
> >funding. So I spent myy birthday stressed, playing phonetag. Friday was better
> >I went to the Burlinton Mall with a friend.
> >
> Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July).  I think
> Polonca's sometime in July as well.
Sherry - 19 Jul 2004 22:32 GMT
>Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already.
>Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek
>on the 28th). I hope you had a great birthday, Cathi.

Happy Belated birthday Polonca & Soncek!

Sherry
polonca12000 - 20 Jul 2004 15:51 GMT
Thank you, Sherry!
Have a great day,
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> >Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already.
> >Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek
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>
> Sherry
SUQKRT - 21 Jul 2004 13:47 GMT
>Happy belated purr-day, Suz! I do hope your problems are solved already.
>Both Soncek and I are born in June (I had my birthday on the 24th and Soncek
>on the 28th). I hope you had a great birthday, Cathi.

Not quite, but progess has been made.
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Yowie - 18 Jul 2004 23:39 GMT
> >Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you
> >managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July).  I think
> Polonca's sometime in July as well.

'Nother Crab here as well (22nd).

Yowie
SUQKRT - 21 Jul 2004 13:47 GMT
>'Nother Crab here as well (22nd).
>
>Yowie

Happy Birthday, we sure are a "Crabby (yum crab)" group.
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:08 GMT
>Belated happy birthday both from yet another crab (8 July).  I think
>Polonca's sometime in July as well.

And a belated one to you, Cathi.  And to Polonca, whenever it is!

Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:07 GMT
>Ginger-lyn belated Happy Birthday. I'm sorry it was so stressful. I hope you
>managed to finish watching Big Fish, its a great flick. Hopefully "those"
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>(=':'=)
>(")_(")

{{{{Suz}}} Belated happy birthday to you, and I'm sorry about the
bureaucratic nightmares.  Glad you had a better day Friday.

Did get to finish "Big Fish" the next day -- wonderful movie!

And I'm a little confused, but Jill's b-day is coming up, too?  Happy
b-day Jill!

Ginger-lyn
Yowie - 17 Jul 2004 23:31 GMT
As much as I love cats, I put my own life and wellbeing (and that of my
family) before theirs. I even put the life and wellbeing of *my* cat above
the life and wellbeing of other cats. Yes, I'll feel bad about it, buts that
how it is. Given the choice, the cats (and other beings) I have
discriminated against would make the very same decision.

Sometimes we have to choose between the lesser of two evils, and have to do
so under a great deal of pressure and without time to consder all the
possible options. We make the best choice we can under the circumstances.
Doens't mean we'll feel good about it later, but its still the best decision
we could have made under the circumstances.

I can't condemn anyone who makes the best decision they can in the situation
they find themselves in. What I can do is offer compassion, support and
understanding, and I can choose not to be judgemental towards those who
don't live in an ideal world. Its hard enough to know that whatever you do,
someone or something has to suffer; condemning a person who has been forced
into such a situation does nothing to help either party - both are the
victims of a universe that just doesn't play fair sometimes.

Yowie
John F. Eldredge - 18 Jul 2004 00:57 GMT
>As much as I love cats, I put my own life and wellbeing (and that of
>my family) before theirs. I even put the life and wellbeing of *my*
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>situation does nothing to help either party - both are the victims
>of a universe that just doesn't play fair sometimes.

This was the sort of choice that I was faced with when my house
caught fire in February 2003.  My cat ran and hid, and the smoke was
heavy enough that I had to make the difficult choice to get myself
out of the house, rather than stay searching for the cat and possibly
die with her.  I told the firemen about my cat when they arrived,
nine minutes after I called the fire department, and they found her a
couple of minutes later, but she was already dead from smoke
inhalation.  I don't know how long I would have been able to survive
had I stayed inside to search.

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Cheryl - 18 Jul 2004 01:36 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", John F. Eldredge
<john@jfeldredge.com> artfully composed this message within
<news:muejf0thjk8m45e0ojvr5vcsu5dvckocbe@4ax.com> on 17 Jul 2004:

> This was the sort of choice that I was faced with when my house
> caught fire in February 2003.  My cat ran and hid, and the smoke
> was heavy enough that I had to make the difficult choice to get
> myself out of the house, rather than stay searching for the cat
> and possibly die with her.  

Oh, John. That is one of my biggest fears. I'm so sorry you had to go
through that.

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Howard Berkowitz - 18 Jul 2004 22:49 GMT
> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", John F. Eldredge
> <john@jfeldredge.com> artfully composed this message within
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> Oh, John. That is one of my biggest fears. I'm so sorry you had to go
> through that.

It is reassuring that most firefighters will try to find animals if they
know they are in there. My first wife had a truly bizarre experience,
which made the local radio as "Two Cats Burn Falls Church Apartment."  
Essentially, she had a house guest crashing, who brought her own two
cats along. Those two stayed in the guest room. Apparently, they managed
to knock a clamp light onto the bed and turn it on, and its heat set the
bed on fire.

When her guest opened the door, hearing a smoke alarm but not really
paying attention to it, she was felled by a blast of smoke. Her two cats
ran out to safety, and the human was recovered by the first responder.

For some totally obscure reason, my ex's usually extremely wise cat,
Theo, ran INTO the fire room.  When she got home, she found him on the
lawn of the apartment complex, wearing a pediatric oxygen mask and
surrounded by concerned firefighters.  While he clearly was
psychologically traumatized, he lived for a long time after that -- we
didn't know his precise age, but the best guess is that he made it to
around 22.
Yowie - 18 Jul 2004 23:41 GMT
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> inhalation.  I don't know how long I would have been able to survive
> had I stayed inside to search.

I'm so sorry, John. She'll be there at Rainbow Bridge waiting for you.

Yowie
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:10 GMT
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{{{{{{John}}}}}}  I know how painful that must have been for you, and
I am so sorry it happened.  Many good thoughts to you & yours.

Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:09 GMT
>As much as I love cats, I put my own life and wellbeing (and that of my
>family) before theirs. I even put the life and wellbeing of *my* cat above
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Yowie

Yowie, thank you so much for such a thoughtful post (as usual).

And I want to thank everyone who has expressed your support and kind
words and thoughts.  They really mean a great deal to me.

Bless you all!

Ginger-lyn
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 02:27 GMT
Megan,

You do not know me, and you do not know my neighbors or the full
situation.

Let me explain a few things to you.

I felt that my life, and my cats' lives were in danger that night.  My
cats' welfare comes first, and I am not going to endanger my life,
either.  You see this as weakness; I see it as common sense and
survival.  At least I *did* get the one kitten, and I am still working
on how I may be able to get the other one.  I have not given up.

I did call my landlord that night.  His only suggestions were to call
the police (unfortuately, they were quite careful in their threats,
and it was unclear whether there was anything that would have allowed
them to have been arrested) or to give the one kitten back to calm the
situation.  That is what I did (although there was a specific threat
to property later on, and the police *were* called, but again, unless
they actually *do* something, there is nothing the police can do).

It is unreasonable to suggest to the landlord to say cats are no
longer allowed.  We have no idea how long the eviction will take, and
to do this would put both myself and my other neighbor with cats in a
bad situation, as these people could easily demand that we get rid of
ours as well.  I doubt seriously the deposit idea will work, but I
will discuss that with him and see.

As for your harping on the fact that this is the second time I have
done this, again, you don't seem to have all your facts.  In the first
case, the one animal-abusing neighbor heard the kitten, since I had
her stashed in the apartment next door to hers, and knew where she
belonged.  After asking the owner for a description, etc., it was
clear that, legally, I had no right to keep the kitten.  Further,
there is no evidence that this particular family from across the
street abused any animal.  What was clear is that they were
ill-informed and irresponsible, and allowed their cats to roam outside
and did not spay them.  These other two kittens are the half-siblings
of the one cat I tried to rescue before, so this is the *same* family
of cats we are talking about here.  And because I did not go off on
these people, it appears that they are now keeping their cats indoors,
and they promised to spay their cats after these kittens were born
(since they have moved, I cannot follow up on that, but I sincerely
hope it is true, and I gave them my brochure with information on the
low-cost spay/neuter clinics, so they certainly have the information
now).  And they approached me to take the kittens rather than toss
them out on the street.  However, the brother unfortunately talked to
the next-door neighbors before bringing the kittens directly to me,
which is why there was a problem in the first place.

So instead of attacking me, Megan, who was at least *trying* to do
something, try attacking the brother for going back on his word, or
being angry at the people who screamed at me for trying to do the
right thing.

Megan, you tend to see the world in black and white terms, and it just
is not that way.  Sometimes, as Yowie pointed out, we have to make
difficult choices, and they are not always easy.  Your self-righteous
judgmentalism does nothing to further the well-being of these kittens
or any other animals.  And by attacking me, you are just as much of a
bully as these animal-abusing neighors.  You're an extremist, Megan.
While the world may need some of that, most people are *not*
extremists.  Most of us do the best we can, given what resources we
have, personally, financially, or otherwise.  Most people don't even
bother to attempt to rescue cats, period.  Of those that do, some may
only rescue one or two in their lives and get them into a shelter.
Others, perhaps, will work to find adoptive homes for many rescures.
Some will get them tested and vaccinated before even trying to place
them.  In other words, everyone does what they can, to the best of
their abilities, and that is what matters.

To come here to this group and insult and attack myself, Bev, and
pretty much the entire group is unconscionable.  I would not be
surprised to find that you are not welcome here.

Ginger-lyn
fed up
Yowie - 20 Jul 2004 02:52 GMT
> Megan,
>
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> pretty much the entire group is unconscionable.  I would not be
> surprised to find that you are not welcome here.

*Standing Ovation*

Hugs,

Yowie
Sherry - 20 Jul 2004 05:08 GMT
>Megan,
>
>You do not know me, and you do not know my neighbors or the full
>situation.
>
>Let me explain a few things to you.

((((Ginger-lyn)))

You do not have to explain yourself. We do what we can. And only you understand
fully the circumstances and events leading up to the decision you made. I know
your heart, because I"ve been reading your posts for at least four years. I
fully trust and would stand by the decision you made as the only decision that
you could make given the circumstances. Like Yowie's thoughtful post (which
Yowie's posts always are)....I know how difficult it was for you. I'm sorry you
found yourself in the middle of such a sucky situation.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Jul 2004 01:50 GMT
>>so I reluctantly go over with the little
>>black kitten, say "I was mistaken, here".

> You were mistaken, but not how you meant it above. You should have
> never, never, never handed that kitten to known animal abusers (this is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> called names and feeling sorry for yourself you should be brainstorming
> on how to rescue it from those idiots before the unthinkable happens.

Megan,

How can you stand to live among the human race, who are all so clearly
morally inferior to you?

This is such a typical post from you. I knew as soon as I saw your address
on the post that it was going to be yet another judgemental rant. Don't
you EVER have anything positive to say?

I sure hope you don't have kids. If you do, I hope you're putting away
money for their psychotherapy bills.

Joyce
Victor Martinez - 16 Jul 2004 12:48 GMT
Purrs for you. Don't give up! You are a wonderful human being and we all
love, respect, and admire you and what you do for all the innocent
critters that cross your path.

I wish there was something more I could do.

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Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT
>Purrs for you. Don't give up! You are a wonderful human being and we all
>love, respect, and admire you and what you do for all the innocent
>critters that cross your path.
>
>I wish there was something more I could do.

Thank you {{{Victor}}}

Ginger-lyn
jmcquown - 16 Jul 2004 13:49 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed

This just sucks.  I'm sorry!  Wish I could do something to help.  I guess it
won't help much to offer belated birthday wishes but I'll do it anyway.

Jill (who has a birthday on 7/26 - she'll be 37 AGAIN)
Cap'n Pine Cone esq. - 16 Jul 2004 15:22 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
> Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when
> all hell breaks loose.

Purrs Ginger-lyn and lots of hugs too.  I hope everything works out
better for you with the kitties and with your birthday.  Bless you for
taking care of the animals.

Pam S.
Cheryl - 16 Jul 2004 23:39 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes",
Jul 2004:

> I just do not understand people anymore.  I really don't.
>
> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed

I wish you a happy belated birthday, even though you didn't seem to
have one. I'm sorry for the troubles there, and I don't understand
people either. :(

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Judith Latham - 17 Jul 2004 08:49 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine, and
> watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
> Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when all
> hell breaks loose.

First of all Belated happy birthday wishes. Today being Saturday maybe you
could celebrate properly. I'll celebrate your birthday because it's a good
job for all animals that you were born.

At least your landlord seems reasonable even if he can't help other than
get them evicted. Maybe within a couple of days the neighbours will be
bored with the kitten and you can sort of take care of it until you can
magic it away to safety.

As for understanding people i don't think I ever have and I don't hold out
much hope now. I do however understand people like you and there are other
good people around so perhaps it's that we don't understand only the bad
ones.

Purrs and prayers on the way for the safety of the kittens and yourself.

Judith

> I just do not understand people anymore.  I really don't.

> Ginger-lyn very depressed

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Adrian - 17 Jul 2004 09:21 GMT
> I just do not understand people anymore.  I really don't.
>
> Ginger-lyn
> very depressed

Your post reminds me why I prefer animals to most people. I think if I
were in your position I'd feel suicidal. Sending lots of purrs and
hoping somehow the kitten will be ok.
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polonca12000 - 18 Jul 2004 21:58 GMT
I do so wish I could do more for you, Ginger-lyn, than just send my best
wishes, calming hugs and purrs,
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> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
> Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when
> all hell breaks loose.
<snip
LOL - 21 Jul 2004 07:16 GMT
> All I wanted to do on Tuesday was sit down quietly, drink some wine,
> and watch some videos (exciting birthday, huh?  DH had to work, it's a
> Tuesday, bleah).  I get about 3/4 of the way through "Big Fish" when
> all hell breaks loose.

(snippage)

Ugh.  I'm sorry you have to deal with such nasty people, and sorry for
the poor kitten.  I don't have any suggestions, I'm afraid, but we're
sending luckpurrs for a chance to spirit away the kitty, and
better-day purrs to you.

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