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HELP! Stinky in the paint

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Kreisleriana - 15 Jul 2004 14:34 GMT
Well, he did it.  He got into the paint.  Actually, he went and jumped
up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
it on his paws, his butt and tail, and made little white pawprints all
over.  

So here's where I need help!  How do I safely get the paint off him?
Turpentine seems too harsh, and even assuming he'd stay still for it,
I'm worried he would absorb it through his skin.  But I don't want him
cleaning his fur himself, and ingesting the paint!  Any brilliant
ideas?

Theresa
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TBird - 15 Jul 2004 14:38 GMT
Call your vet?

TBird <---- that's as brilliant as I get on one cup of coffee

> Well, he did it.  He got into the paint.  Actually, he went and jumped
> up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
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Karen - 15 Jul 2004 14:38 GMT
Is it oil based? If not, soap and water should do it. Maybe give the vet a
call. I bet it happens all the time.

> Well, he did it.  He got into the paint.  Actually, he went and jumped
> up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
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Kreisleriana - 15 Jul 2004 15:05 GMT
>Well, he did it.  He got into the paint.  Actually, he went and jumped
>up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
>it on his paws, his butt and tail, and made little white pawprints all
>over.  

OK, fortunately the paint is water-based, so I took the little
butthead into the bathroom, and scrubbed his paws with soap and water
while he screamed and threatened me with Amnesty International.   The
ironic thing is, he was walking happily around with the gunk on his
paws, leaving footprints all over, but now I'M getting the Eye of
Death for what I'VE done to him. :P

Thanks for your suggestions.  I was just hoping I woulnd't have to
lock him in the bathroom, but that's that.  He's so busy cleaning
himself now anyway  (and cursing kitty curses under his breath), he
probably won't even notice.

Theresa
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 Jul 2004 22:16 GMT
> OK, fortunately the paint is water-based, so I took the little
> butthead into the bathroom, and scrubbed his paws with soap and water
> while he screamed and threatened me with Amnesty International.   The
> ironic thing is, he was walking happily around with the gunk on his
> paws, leaving footprints all over, but now I'M getting the Eye of
> Death for what I'VE done to him. :P

LOL! I'm glad it was water-based paint - much, much easier to deal with.

My question now: are you going to leave the little kitty-prints where
they are, as decor? :)

Joyce
Kreisleriana - 15 Jul 2004 23:19 GMT
> > OK, fortunately the paint is water-based, so I took the little
> > butthead into the bathroom, and scrubbed his paws with soap and water
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>
>Joyce

Oh of course, that's it!  He's been watching those decorating shows on
TV, and  he just wanted to try it himself. :P

Theresa
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Jul 2004 02:11 GMT
>>My question now: are you going to leave the little kitty-prints where
>>they are, as decor? :)

> Oh of course, that's it!  He's been watching those decorating shows on
> TV, and  he just wanted to try it himself. :P

Yes, but *are you going to keep* his fine touches? :) On the one hand,
it probably looks like a mess. But on the other, you'd get to have these
little white kitty prints - might be kind of cute.

Joyce
JPHobbs - 16 Jul 2004 13:43 GMT
Iused to have a cat that looked like that, one day we found a white
rabbit or at least the dog next door did, we couldn't find the owner
so we took it in never had it in a cage, the cat made a mate of it and they
ran around the garden and the house together     Jean.P.

> > > OK, fortunately the paint is water-based, so I took the little
> > > butthead into the bathroom, and scrubbed his paws with soap and water
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polonca12000 - 18 Jul 2004 21:41 GMT
So glad you found a solution - even though Stinky isn't too pleased with it
;)
Best wishes,
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> OK, fortunately the paint is water-based, so I took the little
> butthead into the bathroom, and scrubbed his paws with soap and water
> while he screamed and threatened me with Amnesty International.   <snip
Victor Martinez - 15 Jul 2004 15:34 GMT
> up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
> it on his paws, his butt and tail, and made little white pawprints all
> over.  

We had purple pawprints all over the house when we were painting the
crown molding for the dining room...

> So here's where I need help!  How do I safely get the paint off him?

What kind of paint is it? When Luna (or was it Maya?) got the pain on
her paws, we just washed off as much as we could with plain water. I
think our paint was latex though, so it's water soluble.

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Kreisleriana - 15 Jul 2004 19:19 GMT
>> up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
>> it on his paws, his butt and tail, and made little white pawprints all
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>her paws, we just washed off as much as we could with plain water. I
>think our paint was latex though, so it's water soluble.

Yes, fortunately that was the case.  Sometimes I wish I had a shy,
timid cat! ;)

Theresa
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Yowie - 15 Jul 2004 22:42 GMT
> >> up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.  He got
> >> it on his paws, his butt and tail, and made little white pawprints all
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> Yes, fortunately that was the case.  Sometimes I wish I had a shy,
> timid cat! ;)

A bit late now, so I'm glad you've got the paint off. If he tried to lick it
off, it would be far more dangerous wet than dry, assuming its decorative
paint and not some sort of anti-corrosive or primer. Once its dried, its
effectively the same as small bits of plastic, which while not *good* for
you, would most likely be fairly harmless (if however its a primer, or anti
corrosive, the pigments could still be somewhat active and thats a different
story - particularly if it contains chromates which are highly poisonous)

Any bits that are still stuck in his fur, I'd cut out, rather than leaving
it to Stinky to lick out, but a very small amount of dry stuff shouldn't do
too much harm.

Yowie (paint chemist)
John F. Eldredge - 16 Jul 2004 18:56 GMT
>> >> up on his favorite windowsill while the paint was still wet.
>> >> He got it on his paws, his butt and tail, and made little white
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>
>Yowie (paint chemist)

I know that the pigments used in most paints are toxic metallic
compounds.  I take it that the relative safeness of dried paint is
because the binding compounds, such as the latex in latex paint, are
fairly inert once they dry, so that if an animal eats the paint chips
they will pass through without being digested.  For future reference,
are there any varieties of house paint, in addition to the primer and
anti-corrosive paints you mentioned, that are particularly risky to
pets even after the paint dries?

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Yowie - 17 Jul 2004 23:04 GMT
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> anti-corrosive paints you mentioned, that are particularly risky to
> pets even after the paint dries?

Not that I'd recommend eating house paint, and remember I'm not a
toxicologist (and definatley not a *cat* toxicologist), merely someone who
mucks about with paint for a living, I'd say most housepaints are
*relatively* safe for if accidently digested, once dried. The reason being
that even with relatively toxic componants, the binder surrounds them and
effectively seals them off to any sort of biological activity. It would be
approximatley equivalent to a pet eating the equivalent weight (and shape)
in plastic, in that in most lieklyhood it will just pass through with no
harm done.

Paints for outside would most likely be more dangerous as they'd have the
"ceramic" pigments (metal oxides) as "ceramic" pigments don't fade in the
sun. But these are still surrounded by the binder, and arne't likely to be
highly available to biological process (the pigments used tend to be
non-soluble, so can't be biologically active).

Paints for internal decoration would generally contain almost exclusively
titanium dioxide, which is pretty much biologically inert, plus a *tiny*
amount of organic dye to give it the colour. Most coloured dyes, whilst
being (mildly) toxic in their pure form, won't be able to work their way out
of the surrounding binder in suffecient quantaties to do too much damage,
and aren't generally all that toxic in the amounts that would get out.

Even lead-based paints (which I gather are no longer available anyway)
became far more dangerous when they started to get old, and the binder
started to degrade (ie, the paint lost its gloss and started to go
"powdery") because then the pigment was directly exposed without a coating
of polymer to protect it.

The toxicity of paint is dependant on how much of the bad stuff can actually
get out of the paint within the time it is going through the system. A big
chip of paint is less toxic than the same weight in little chips, becaue of
the icrease in surface area, a less toxic pigment could cause more problems
than a more toxic one if the binder used on the less toxic one is more
permeable to digestive juices than the one used with the more toxic pigment
etc etc. As decorative housepaints are not designed to have any component to
be chemically active after it dries (in fact, its designed to be *inert* as
possible) getting seriously poisoned by just a "nibble" would, IMHO, be
quite difficult. (Primers and anti-corrosives[1] are different, because they
are designed to be chemically active)

The general upshot being that dried, modern, decorative housepaint shouldn't
be fatal to a cat thats just had a small nibble, but you'd be darn stupid
*not* to take your cat to a vet immediatly if you suspected that they had
eaten *any* type of paint.

Hope that helps someone,

Yowie
[1] My main work is with anti-corrosive primers for metals. Its a fine
balance with a primer to allow the active ingredient to be available enough
to stop the metal form corroding but not be so available that it washes out
before it does its job and/or comes out in such quantiaties as to be toxic
to humans and other lifeforms. Ideally, you need a pigment that is only
*just* soluble in water *and* stops corrosion, *and* isn't toxic in the
quantaties needed to be effective, *and* that does't cost the earth. So far,
one hasn't been found that meets all four requirements. Which is why I have
a job :-)
 
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