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Pat - 08 Jul 2004 01:09 GMT
Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?

Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.

Thanks...
Annie Wxill - 08 Jul 2004 01:37 GMT
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
> Thanks...
Yes.  When our cats were younger, they would run and chase the feather toy
until they panted. After a short rest, they usually were ready for more.
If your cat is panting because of the heat, that's another thing.  It may
not be ill in the usual sense, but it could be close to a heat stroke.
Annie
Jo Firey - 08 Jul 2004 02:05 GMT
Absolutely.  We were about to pass out from the heat at the time as well.

I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
something, but not a normal house cat behavior.

Jo
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
> Thanks...
Sherry - 08 Jul 2004 02:13 GMT
>I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
>something, but not a normal house cat behavior.

That's a weird pant. I've seen that. When the smell something really stinky,
like stick their nose in DH's old garden shoes. They get a weird look on their
face, get all slack-jawed and their tongue hangs out. They've also done it
before smelling me when I"ve handled the dogs at the shelter.

Sherry
Jeanne Hedge - 08 Jul 2004 02:37 GMT
>>I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
>>something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>face, get all slack-jawed and their tongue hangs out. They've also done it
>before smelling me when I"ve handled the dogs at the shelter.

Have you ever been around something that smelled so bad (or strong)
that you could actually taste it on your tongue? It's a really strange
feeling, and I suspect similar to what you describe here.
Ted Davis - 08 Jul 2004 16:00 GMT
>>I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
>>something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>face, get all slack-jawed and their tongue hangs out. They've also done it
>before smelling me when I"ve handled the dogs at the shelter.

I addressed that in a response to "Cat snorting": it's called the
'flehmen response' and is for a smell sense humans don't really have.

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 08 Jul 2004 16:24 GMT
>That's a weird pant. I've seen that. When the smell something really stinky,
>like stick their nose in DH's old garden shoes. They get a weird look on
>their
>face, get all slack-jawed and their tongue hangs out.

Flehmaning?

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William Hamblen - 08 Jul 2004 03:53 GMT
> I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
> something, but not a normal house cat behavior.

Cats use this grimace, the Flehmen reaction, to get scents to a special
olfactory organ, the Jacobsen's organ, when they smell something that
is sexy to a cat.
John F. Eldredge - 08 Jul 2004 05:15 GMT
>> I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
>> something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
>
>Cats use this grimace, the Flehmen reaction, to get scents to a
>special olfactory organ, the Jacobsen's organ, when they smell
>something that is sexy to a cat.

My cat, Cinders, sometimes does what I at least _think_ is a flehmen
reaction when she is resting on the bed near me at night, or sitting
on the couch near me during the day.  She opens her mouth slightly,
and makes a suck, suck, suck, suck sound.  If I make a movement or
sound that gets her attention, she stops making the sound.

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Steve Touchstone - 08 Jul 2004 06:02 GMT
>> I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
>> something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
>
>Cats use this grimace, the Flehmen reaction, to get scents to a special
>olfactory organ, the Jacobsen's organ, when they smell something that
>is sexy to a cat.

Sammy does this sometimes when we stop midway through our car rides. I
always try to stop somewhere where we can get out and explore. I don't
know if it counts though, since she doesn't really pant, but sniffs
new or interesting things with her mouth open
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Howard Berkowitz - 08 Jul 2004 21:29 GMT
> > I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
> > something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
>
> Cats use this grimace, the Flehmen reaction, to get scents to a special
> olfactory organ, the Jacobsen's organ, when they smell something that
> is sexy to a cat.

Does anyone know if a cat letting a bit of tongue protrude from a
basically closed mouth is a variant Flehmen reaction?  It seems
voluntary, but, at the same time, the ones that do it don't seem to pay
much attention to it.
Karen - 08 Jul 2004 21:37 GMT
> > > I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
> > > something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> voluntary, but, at the same time, the ones that do it don't seem to pay
> much attention to it.

Heh. That's just forgetting to put it away.
Howard Berkowitz - 08 Jul 2004 22:46 GMT
> > > > I have heard that cats will also pant when they are "sniffing" for
> > > > something, but not a normal house cat behavior.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Heh. That's just forgetting to put it away.

I was afraid that might be it.
Karen Chuplis - 08 Jul 2004 02:20 GMT
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
> Thanks...

I have seen it. We never had air growing up. It had to be pretty hot, but
I've seen it. Also when they are very panicked.

Karen
Seanette Blaylock - 08 Jul 2004 02:20 GMT
"Pat" <spam.me.not.pdavis@fidnet.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Help Settle This Argument, Please!:

>Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
>just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>Thanks...

I *think* I have.

I know I've seen him panting when stressed [such as during a car
ride].

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 08 Jul 2004 02:57 GMT
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.

Well, one of mine, when a kitten, managed to get himself shut between
the louvred glass window and the screen, one hot summer day.  (He was
small enought to get up on one of the louvres, but heavy enough so his
weight made the window close.)  He was certainly panting by the time we
got home and found him, and I was afraid he was suffering from heat
stroke!  When I called the vet, I was advised to cool him down by
putting him in a basin of cold water. (Ever try doing THAT to a cat?)

Cats don't pant as readily as dogs (I think they have SOME sweat glands
- at least on their paw pads - which dogs do not), and it's certainly a
sign that they need to be moved to a cooler spot, but they DO pant on
occasion.  (Even people do, if it gets hot enough!)
Christine Burel - 08 Jul 2004 03:03 GMT
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
> Thanks...

I took in a feral cat last year, i.e., "Tucker," who panted very easily and
often and I did end up taking him in to the vet and we did an ultrasound to
make sure he didn't have cardiomyopathy.  In his case, I think it was a
stress response because as he felt more secure (several months), his panting
subsided and he doesn't pant now.  I have had cats who panted in the car on
the way to and from the vet and I think this is also a stress response in
their case.
Christine
Jeanne Hedge - 08 Jul 2004 03:25 GMT
>Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
>Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
>just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
>Thanks...

Not often, but yes.

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Cheryl - 08 Jul 2004 03:46 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "Pat"
<spam.me.not.pdavis@fidnet.com> artfully composed this message
within <news:QvOdnSIFQsEzDXHdRVn-gw@fidnet.com> on 07 Jul 2004:

> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but
> just hot?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Thanks...

After serious play, I've seen it. Shamrock, the wild one.

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William Hamblen - 08 Jul 2004 03:53 GMT
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
Yes.
Denise Clere - 08 Jul 2004 04:24 GMT
mine does that after very active playing.
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
> Thanks...
John F. Eldredge - 08 Jul 2004 04:52 GMT
>Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but
>just hot?  
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Thanks...

Cats don't sweat when they get hot, so panting is how they shed
excess heat.  This is the same reason that dogs pant.

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LOL - 08 Jul 2004 06:55 GMT
> Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
> Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
> just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
> Thanks...

Yes - my Mike did it, and so did my parents' RB Patty.  It is mighty
hot and humid here.  I've never seen the office cats do it, but I've
never seen them do anything but laze around in the heat, either.

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Krista
Kreisleriana - 08 Jul 2004 14:02 GMT
>Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
>Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
>just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
>Thanks...

No-- but when they were scared, or putting up a huge protest-- as in
going to TED.

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 08 Jul 2004 16:45 GMT
>>Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?

Yes. Francis - when he gets too hot from running about like a mad thing, can
seek shade and lie there panting.

Cheers, helen s

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Ginger-lyn Summer - 08 Jul 2004 18:44 GMT
>Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
>
>Don't bother replying if you have not observed this with your own eyes. I
>just want to hear from those who *have* seen it.
>
>Thanks...

Haven't read the other replies yet, so pardon me if I am repeating.

Yes, I have, but I have also observed panting in an ill cat.

I have three examples of my own:

Wolfie:  Was young, didn't know when to stop playing and got
overheated (he's a long-haired white cat).  He stopped panting quickly
once he stopped playing.  Finally learned how to pace himself, and
doesn't do it anymore.

Merlyn:  Long-haired black cat.  Pants a *lot*, but only when it is
hot.  Have taken her to vet, who diagnosed her with "panting of
unknown origin".  I elected not to do the ultrasound to make sure she
doesn't have a heart problem, because I firmly believe she is simply
heat intolerant.  She spends most of her summer time in the one
air-conditioned room.

Mojo:  Panted a lot, but had a very difficult time stopping panting
once he stopped playing, or got into the a/c.  He had an undiagnosed
meart murmur (significant), and died coming out of anesthesia.  I
suspect he had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, for which panting can be a
major symptom.

Ever since Mojo, panting worries me, as you can imagine.  Sometimes,
it is stress or heat.  But sometimes it is more serious.  I always
advise talking to a vet about it, just to be sure.  One of my earliest
posts to Usenet was about panting in cats, and had I known what I
learned earlier, perhaps something could have been done to save Mojo.
I'll never know.

Sorry to be a downer, but it isn't always an innocuous thing :-(

Ginger-lyn
Pat - 09 Jul 2004 01:47 GMT
Well there's this woman in a yahoo cats group who insists that domestic cats
are INCAPABLE of panting. That's why I posted this, an invited her to check
out this NG for the replies but apparently she prefers to hang on to her
cherised opinions.

> >Have you ever observed your cat panting, when it was not ill but just hot?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn
Seanette Blaylock - 09 Jul 2004 02:06 GMT
"Pat" <spam.me.not.pdavis@fidnet.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Help Settle This Argument, Please!:

>Well there's this woman in a yahoo cats group who insists that domestic cats
>are INCAPABLE of panting. That's why I posted this, an invited her to check
>out this NG for the replies but apparently she prefers to hang on to her
>cherised opinions.

Sounds like a waste of time arguing it further with her. Apparently,
she's not much of an observer, and prefers to cling to ignorance.

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Steve Touchstone - 09 Jul 2004 03:04 GMT
>Well there's this woman in a yahoo cats group who insists that domestic cats
>are INCAPABLE of panting. That's why I posted this, an invited her to check
>out this NG for the replies but apparently she prefers to hang on to her
>cherised opinions.

I googled "cat panting". Something over 61,000 hits came back, so I
obviously didn't read them all ;-)
This was the third link:

http://tinyurl.com/34nan

Just a short quote: "They pant. Which is why, after a walk in the park
or a fast game of chase-the-string, they will be puffing away with
gusty, window-fogging breaths. (Cats are more discreet than dogs, and
you won't see their tongues hanging out very often, but they also pant
when they are feeling warm.)" from a vet, but you just can't convince
some people.

Later in the article, they do point out that panting can be an symptom
of other, more serious medical problems, and give a list of other
things to watch out for if there's no known reason for the panting.

Another quote from an article dealing with heat stroke:

http://tinyurl.com/2sqv8

"A cat panting for more than 15 minutes can indicate other serious
medical problems that require immediate medical attention."

So, like Ginger Lynn pointed out, while panting may be normal it can
also be an indication of serious health problems. The above article
may not have anything to do with the symptoms of Ginger's Mojo, but it
reinforces her warning that it could indicate a big problem which
needs to be checked by a vet.
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