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lrulan - 22 Jun 2004 22:21 GMT
I still can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that it's June in the USA
and hot as h*ll, and the catslaves in Australia and New Zealand are talking
about winter and coming cold weather. It's like when my husband tried to
explain to me that events that occurred in deep space millions of years ago
are just becoming evident to us today. My poor mind is so confused.

A happy solstice to everybody, hot or cold. Jazz and I will ponder the
strangeness and wonderfulness of the universe.
Jazz & his mama

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Tigger - 23 Jun 2004 00:53 GMT
> I still can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that it's June in the USA
> and hot as h*ll, and the catslaves in Australia and New Zealand are talking
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> strangeness and wonderfulness of the universe.
> Jazz & his mama

Ask Jazz for a trip in the Mothership. I'm sure they can help explain
things. :)
Marina - 23 Jun 2004 05:09 GMT
> I still can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that it's June in the USA
> and hot as h*ll, and the catslaves in Australia and New Zealand are talking
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> A happy solstice to everybody, hot or cold. Jazz and I will ponder the
> strangeness and wonderfulness of the universe.

A happy one to you, too, Lydia and Jazz. Midsummer is a big deal here in
Finland, but we don't get to celebrate it on the actual day, because the
holiday has been moved to the weekend, so that Friday is officially
Midsummer Eve, though it was really on Monday. Well, at least we get a
three-day weekend. I'm taking the cats to the island this weekend
(fortunately, I get to go with my brother in his car, so don't have to annoy
a whole busload of people with Frank's yowls - sorry, Waffles, Frank's
singing). Then I'm coming back for one more week at work, and then my
holidays start (and then I snip my hair).

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 23 Jun 2004 08:26 GMT
>(fortunately, I get to go with my brother in his car, so don't have to annoy
>a whole busload of people with Frank's yowls - sorry, Waffles, Frank's
>singing).

Harumph! You really must learn to appreciate the finest feline singing in
Finland.

Waffles

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Takayuki - 23 Jun 2004 18:42 GMT
>I'm taking the cats to the island this weekend
>(fortunately, I get to go with my brother in his car, so don't have to annoy
>a whole busload of people with Frank's yowls - sorry, Waffles, Frank's
>singing). Then I'm coming back for one more week at work, and then my
>holidays start (and then I snip my hair).

How do you think Frank and Nikki will react to your haircut?  I
imagined that Frank prefers long hair, and Nikki prefers short hair.
:)
Marina - 23 Jun 2004 19:48 GMT
> How do you think Frank and Nikki will react to your haircut?  I
> imagined that Frank prefers long hair, and Nikki prefers short hair.
>  :)

Well, I don't know. At least Frank won't be able to torture me by walking on
my hair while I'm trying to sleep.

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hpickering@austin.rr.com - 23 Jun 2004 21:14 GMT
>> How do you think Frank and Nikki will react to your haircut?  I
>> imagined that Frank prefers long hair, and Nikki prefers short hair.
>>  :)
>
>Well, I don't know. At least Frank won't be able to torture me by walking on
>my hair while I'm trying to sleep.
No, he'll probably pull it to try and make it long again :)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Jun 2004 22:38 GMT
> Midsummer is a big deal here in
> Finland, but we don't get to celebrate it on the actual day, because the
> holiday has been moved to the weekend, so that Friday is officially
> Midsummer Eve, though it was really on Monday. Well, at least we get a
> three-day weekend. I'm taking the cats to the island this weekend

Do you have midnight sun where you are?

Happy summer solstice to all in the northern hemisphere! (And winter solstice
to those in the south.)

Joyce
Marina - 24 Jun 2004 04:06 GMT
> Marina <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Do you have midnight sun where you are?

No, not quite. The sun sets for a few hours here in southern Finland, but up
north it shines all through the night. To my shame I must confess that I've
never seen the midnight sun.

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Takayuki - 23 Jun 2004 22:36 GMT
>I still can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that it's June in the USA
>and hot as h*ll, and the catslaves in Australia and New Zealand are talking
>about winter and coming cold weather. It's like when my husband tried to
>explain to me that events that occurred in deep space millions of years ago
>are just becoming evident to us today. My poor mind is so confused.

The millions and billions of years ago thing sounds okay, because it
makes sense that light has a finite speed.  But that brings me to a
different thing that confuses me - if the velocity of light through a
vacuum is an absolute constant, and velocity is always relative, then
do two photons traveling towards each other have a relative velocity
of C (the speed of light) or 2C (twice the speed of light)?
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Jun 2004 22:48 GMT
> if the velocity of light through a
> vacuum is an absolute constant, and velocity is always relative, then
> do two photons traveling towards each other have a relative velocity
> of C (the speed of light) or 2C (twice the speed of light)?

I don't think photons have relative velocity - that's the theory of
special relativity. Everything else is relative, but light speed is
constant.

But I find that, even though I have a good head for science in general,
relativity theory is totally mind-boggling to me! So I might have that
somewhat wrong...

Joyce
Takayuki - 23 Jun 2004 23:02 GMT
> > if the velocity of light through a
> > vacuum is an absolute constant, and velocity is always relative, then
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>relativity theory is totally mind-boggling to me! So I might have that
>somewhat wrong...

That actually makes sense, thanks!

Relativity actually makes some sort of sense compared to someother
things like quantum physics.  The way electrons can behave as either
particle or wave depending on whether it's being observed or not I
think shows that thinking of particles such as photons and electrons
as physical entities is probably too simplistic.  Their odd behavior
immediately tells you that they have a complex relationship with the
space in which they reside.  It seems to me that subatomic particles
are not independent entities, but are merely superficial symptoms of
certain irregularities in space and time.
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 24 Jun 2004 09:38 GMT
>I don't think photons have relative velocity - that's the theory of
>special relativity. Everything else is relative, but light speed is
>constant.

Except that light has been *slowed* to about walking speed - I kid you not - in
some experiments where photons have been fired into a chamber of
...mumble...mumble... gas and slowed down. I'll try to dig the details out for
you if you're that interested!

Cheers, helen s

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Jun 2004 12:38 GMT
> Except that light has been *slowed* to about walking speed - I kid you
> not - in some experiments where photons have been fired into a chamber
> of ...mumble...mumble... gas and slowed down. I'll try to dig the details
> out for you if you're that interested!

Sure! If it's not too time-consuming to look, that is.

Thanks,
Joyce
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 24 Jun 2004 20:13 GMT
>Sure! If it's not too time-consuming to look, that is.
>
>Thanks,
>Joyce

here you go

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994474

seems they managed to actually get it to stop...

Cheers, helen s

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Jun 2004 23:30 GMT
> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994474
> seems they managed to actually get it to stop...

Thanks, Helen! Looks like interesting (and weird, and mind-boggling)
reading!

Joyce
Takayuki - 24 Jun 2004 20:52 GMT
>>I don't think photons have relative velocity - that's the theory of
>>special relativity. Everything else is relative, but light speed is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>...mumble...mumble... gas and slowed down. I'll try to dig the details out for
>you if you're that interested!

I've heard about that, and it sounds plausible.  Light travels at
different speeds through different media, like glass, air, and water.
If that weren't the case, lenses would not work, and mirages wouldn't
exist.  The constant C is the speed of light through a vacuum.

A weirder experiment I heard of is when they speeded up light, so that
it exited a chamber before it had completely entered it.  It sounded
like a causality violation, but apparently, it wasn't?  I don't
remember the exact details.
lrulan - 24 Jun 2004 13:04 GMT
oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
Jazz's mama

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> >I still can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that it's June in the USA
> >and hot as h*ll, and the catslaves in Australia and New Zealand are talking
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> do two photons traveling towards each other have a relative velocity
> of C (the speed of light) or 2C (twice the speed of light)?
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 24 Jun 2004 16:21 GMT
>oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>Jazz's mama
Sounds like Tak needs to get another cat to keep his mind off of
quantum physics, cat physics is more interesting. :)
Takayuki - 24 Jun 2004 22:38 GMT
>Sounds like Tak needs to get another cat to keep his mind off of
>quantum physics, cat physics is more interesting. :)

Oh, I'll consider another cat, but not before autumn.  Now's the time
when we plan our vacations so that we can get a break from our cats.
;)
Adrian - 25 Jun 2004 11:58 GMT
>> oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>> Jazz's mama
> Sounds like Tak needs to get another cat to keep his mind off of
> quantum physics, cat physics is more interesting. :)

Maybe he could call it Shroedinger.;-)
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Jun 2004 00:07 GMT
>>> oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>>> Jazz's mama
>> Sounds like Tak needs to get another cat to keep his mind off of
>> quantum physics, cat physics is more interesting. :)

> Maybe he could call it Shroedinger.;-)

Or Heisenberg? :)

Joyce
Adrian - 26 Jun 2004 10:38 GMT
>  >>> oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>  >>> Jazz's mama
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joyce

Maybe he ought to get two? ;-)
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Seanette Blaylock - 26 Jun 2004 19:35 GMT
"Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Winter in June:

>>  >>> oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>>  >>> Jazz's mama
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> Or Heisenberg? :)
>Maybe he ought to get two? ;-)

Just what Betty needs, two little hockey pucks to slap around. :-)

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Takayuki - 26 Jun 2004 21:38 GMT
>"Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say
>about Re: Winter in June:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Just what Betty needs, two little hockey pucks to slap around. :-)

I just wrote that Betty doesn't play soccer.  Or hockey.  Though maybe
she just needs to be taught. :)

And I wouldn't give a cat either of those names, because that's what
people would expect me to do.  If I were to go with a physics theme, I
might name a cat "Max", after Max Planck, the father of quantum
physics, since that sounds adequately non-geeky.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 26 Jun 2004 00:31 GMT
>>> oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>>> Jazz's mama
>> Sounds like Tak needs to get another cat to keep his mind off of
>> quantum physics, cat physics is more interesting. :)
>
>Maybe he could call it Shroedinger.;-)
Yes a big orange tabby like the cat in Stargate SG1
Richard - 27 Jun 2004 12:00 GMT
Some people said things, and then:-
Adrian added

>>> oh, sure, Tak. Confuse me some more, won't you? :p
>>> Jazz's mama
>> Sounds like Tak needs to get another cat to keep his mind off of
>> quantum physics, cat physics is more interesting. :)
>
>Maybe he could call it Shroedinger.;-)

Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
real comment is in the tagline...

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Jeanette - 27 Jun 2004 12:45 GMT
> Some people said things, and then:-
> Adrian added
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> It should have been Schrodinger's Tortoise.
> Have you ever tried putting a cat in a box?           [David Hadley]

Welcome Richard.

Jeanette
Richard - 27 Jun 2004 22:10 GMT
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Jeanette added

>> --
>> Richard, whose cats can be seen at http://www.squeaky.demon.co.uk/cats.htm
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Jeanette

Thank you kindly.

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Karen Chuplis - 27 Jun 2004 14:26 GMT
> Some people said things, and then:-
> Adrian added
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
> real comment is in the tagline...

Hello Richard!
Richard - 27 Jun 2004 22:11 GMT
Some people said things, and then:-
Karen Chuplis added

>in article B7GM6NC1iq3AFwhI@squeaky.demon.co.uk, Richard at
>>
>> Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
>> real comment is in the tagline...
>
>Hello Richard!

Hello Karen.

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Marina - 29 Jun 2004 04:54 GMT
> Some people said things, and then:-
> Karen Chuplis added

> >Hello Richard!
>
> Hello Karen.

Welcome, Richard. Your web page looks wonderful, and I've bookmarked it for
future reading. LOLed at the story of the lasagna-pilfering cat.

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Richard - 29 Jun 2004 18:11 GMT
Some people said things, and then:-
Marina added

>> Richard, whose Squeaky Chair can be seen at www.squeaky.demon.co.uk
>
>Welcome, Richard. Your web page looks wonderful, and I've bookmarked it for
>future reading. LOLed at the story of the lasagna-pilfering cat.

I have yet to meet a cat that *doesn't* like lasagne!  ;-)

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Seanette Blaylock - 29 Jun 2004 19:07 GMT
Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Winter in June:

>I have yet to meet a cat that *doesn't* like lasagne!  ;-)

A good friend of mine has a cat who hides from any humans other than
Meowmie. Usually, anyway. On one visit, my friend and I were eating
Stouffer's lasagna, and I felt fur nudging my bare feet. Looked down,
here was Miss "Hide Under the Bed for a Week" begging for some lasagna
[yes, of course, she got some :-)].

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Kreisleriana - 29 Jun 2004 19:16 GMT
>Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
>about Re: Winter in June:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>here was Miss "Hide Under the Bed for a Week" begging for some lasagna
>[yes, of course, she got some :-)].

Lasagne was exactly what got Mimi (RB) out from under the bed when I
first brought her home.

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Richard - 30 Jun 2004 18:22 GMT
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Seanette Blaylock added

>Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
>about Re: Winter in June:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>here was Miss "Hide Under the Bed for a Week" begging for some lasagna
>[yes, of course, she got some :-)].

I have no idea just what it is about lasagne that cats like - they just
do.  Even Sally who turns her nose up at all offerings of human food
will display a great deal of interest in lasagne.

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Seanette Blaylock - 27 Jun 2004 18:32 GMT
Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Winter in June:

>Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
>real comment is in the tagline...

Welcome to the madhouse. :-)

>It should have been Schrodinger's Tortoise.
>Have you ever tried putting a cat in a box?           [David Hadley]

[snicker] Good point. We tested out Felix's carrier last night to make
sure it's big enough for him [he's a LARGE cat] and he did NOT like
it.

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Richard - 27 Jun 2004 22:14 GMT
Some people said things, and then:-
Seanette Blaylock added

>Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
>about Re: Winter in June:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Welcome to the madhouse. :-)

Seems a perfectly normal newsgroup to me...

>>It should have been Schrodinger's Tortoise.
>>Have you ever tried putting a cat in a box?           [David Hadley]
>
>[snicker] Good point. We tested out Felix's carrier last night to make
>sure it's big enough for him [he's a LARGE cat] and he did NOT like
>it.

I have trouble getting my cat Sally, named after an eponymous
Wodehousian heroine, into the carrier to go to the vets but absolutely
no trouble at all when it's time for her to come home.

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Seanette Blaylock - 29 Jun 2004 00:18 GMT
Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Winter in June:

>>Welcome to the madhouse. :-)
>Seems a perfectly normal newsgroup to me...

[heheheh] Haven't been reading long, have you? Just wait. :-)

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Richard - 29 Jun 2004 18:14 GMT
Some people said things, and then:-
Seanette Blaylock added

>Richard <Richard@pridge.uk.uk> had some very interesting things to say
>about Re: Winter in June:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>[heheheh] Haven't been reading long, have you? Just wait. :-)

I worked through a weeks worth before I said a single word.  Having been
on line one way or another for over fifteen years I'm pretty sure I've
seen enough to have it sussed.  Probably.  ;-)

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polonca12000 - 27 Jun 2004 21:59 GMT
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> Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
> real comment is in the tagline...
Richard - 28 Jun 2004 23:20 GMT
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>Welcome!
>Best wishes,

Thanks.

Note to self:  Post an anecdote real soon...

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Takayuki - 28 Jun 2004 02:05 GMT
>Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
>real comment is in the tagline...

You mean that Schrodinger's cat is a tortie?

I love your pictures of Dusty on the curb, by the way, very cute!
Richard - 28 Jun 2004 23:23 GMT
Some people said things, and then:-
Takayuki added

>>Which leaves me a nice opening to join in as a newcomer here, though the
>>real comment is in the tagline...
>
>You mean that Schrodinger's cat is a tortie?

"Should be" a tortoise.  So much easier to put into a box.

>I love your pictures of Dusty on the curb, by the way, very cute!

He was a lovely cat.  Bonded very well after his first upset about being
taken away from mum - yet not as well as Sally has, Sally being my
current treasure.

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Steve Touchstone - 29 Jun 2004 18:25 GMT
>>>It should have been Schrodinger's Tortoise.
>>>Have you ever tried putting a cat in a box?           [David Hadley]
>>
>>You mean that Schrodinger's cat is a tortie?
>
>"Should be" a tortoise.  So much easier to put into a box.
No problem round here putting a cat in a box (except of course the
carrier when it's time to vist TED). Now, keeping a cat out of a box
is something else ;-))
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Richard - 29 Jun 2004 18:57 GMT
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Steve Touchstone added

>>>>It should have been Schrodinger's Tortoise.
>>>>Have you ever tried putting a cat in a box?           [David Hadley]
>>>
>>>You mean that Schrodinger's cat is a tortie?
>>
>>"Should be" a tortoise.  So much easier to put into a box.

>No problem round here putting a cat in a box (except of course the
>carrier when it's time to vist TED). Now, keeping a cat out of a box
>is something else ;-))

Well yes, cats will climb into *any* box *except* the one you want then
to climb into.  Then life gets a little more difficult, as I'm sure you
know, which is *why* the tagline made its appearance.

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